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2007-09-13 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2007-09-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 The supporters of the MMGW theory intentionally try to confuse global warming, which actually may be happening, with mankind's ability to cause or mitigate it, which is very debatable.

So every time it is argued, the two things have to be separated as distinct things. From that point, there is a new argument.

If the tiny, marginal contribution that people make to the world's atmosphere is enough to change it, then all that is needed is a tiny bit of mitigation--not broad, sweeping economic adjustment and impoverishment.

And if that contribution and its mitigation are within natural variation of several major parts of the global heating and cooling system, then any efforts humans could make are futile.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-09-13 00:30|| 2007-09-13 00:30|| Front Page Top

#2 Fascinating stuff going on at http://www.climateaudit.org/

Steve McKintyre has forced Hansen to disgorge the code which calculates the global mean temperature and hence the amount of warming that is happening (or not).

An open source movement is underway to reproduce his results using clean, well understood code and high quality weather stations.

Whatever the result, it is a fascinating exercise in taking the oracle from the high priests and turning it over to the people. Could well be the most important internet phenomena we have ever seen.

Posted by phil_b 2007-09-13 08:15|| 2007-09-13 08:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Whatever the result, it is a fascinating exercise in taking the oracle from the high priests and turning it over to the people.

Now you know why one of the major first acts with great impact of the Reformation was to translate the Bible in to the local language of the people.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-09-13 09:46|| 2007-09-13 09:46|| Front Page Top

#4 "There may have been a consensus of guesses among climate model-builders," says Singer.

Me? I attribute it their sniffing copious amounts of climate model glue.

Posted by eLarson 2007-09-13 10:00|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2007-09-13 10:00|| Front Page Top

#5 re: corals

I've done my share of diving Hawaii, Mexico, South America, Caribbean, North Africa, but many folks have done lots more..

Some of the inane arguments, supposedly scientific which state that the great Barrier Reef will fold when the ocean surface TEMP goes up 2 more degrees by Year _________!

DOOM.

Green Wieners.

Corals have been around allot longer than Man has. Check!

Therefore Coral has been subject to a few thousand more extreme Tempature shifts over the millenia [or milleniaS?], certainly more than any of the those shifty Gore relatives.

Identical Corals grow from different Island chains sometimes thousands of miles apart.

Well guess what, sometimes the Temps are cooler or hotter thousands of miles away, I hope you're sitting down now, more than 2 degrees even, respectively.

Corals adapt in many ways. gawd i'm schmart!!

Growing deeper or closer to the surface. Brace yournself, Sometimes they just plain tolerate higher TEMPS.

Course I hope you've all heard we are about to enter a period called Neukular Winter!

No sh$T!

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2007-09-13 14:33|| 2007-09-13 14:33|| Front Page Top

#6 red dog, if you're a diver... check this out
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Acid_Rain_Has_a_Disproportionate_Impact_on_Coastal_Waters_999.html

Posted by Skunky Elmavise4463 2007-09-13 14:52|| 2007-09-13 14:52|| Front Page Top

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Posted by lotp 2007-09-13 17:41|| 2007-09-13 17:41|| Front Page Top

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