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2008-04-16 China-Japan-Koreas

Europeans View China as Biggest Threat to Global Security

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Posted by john frum 2008-04-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 CHIN MIL FORUM Posters argue that, directly or indirectly, ITS MORE THE USA THATS PUTTING CHINA'S BACK AGZ A WALL AS PER PERCEIVED US-LED/INDUCED, ANTI-PRC TIBETAN + UIGHUR INSTABLITIES, + MIL ASSISTANCE-SALES TO JAPAN, TAIWAN, + INDIA, even to PAKI, etc.

IOW, CMF Posters fear US-LED/INDUCED DESTABILIZATION + NATIONAL BREAKUP OF CHINA, at the very least CONTAINMENT = KEEPING CHINA WEAK vv US-Allies???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-04-16 00:15|| 2008-04-16 00:15|| Front Page Top

#2 China population: 1,330,044,000
1 execution per 2,788,352 (470 official)
1 execution per 221,674 (6000 estimate based on divination from liver and tea leaves)

Iran population: 65,875,223
1 execution per 174,734 (377 total)

Dunno, give China what's due, but in my book, Iran is eviler.

Posted by twobyfour 2008-04-16 02:07|| 2008-04-16 02:07|| Front Page Top

#3 The more the Western media spouts lies, the more the Chinese will buckle down and refuse to move. It's in their character.

Posted by gromky 2008-04-16 02:52|| 2008-04-16 02:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Hey, I thought the US was the runaway winner in the 'biggest threat to global security' race! What happened - did we stop and take a nap, and get passed up?

Posted by Menhadden Snogum6713 2008-04-16 07:54|| 2008-04-16 07:54|| Front Page Top

#5 We need to work on our menacing grin. It hasn't been the same since Nixon left the scene.

Posted by ed 2008-04-16 08:26|| 2008-04-16 08:26|| Front Page Top

#6 "What happened - did we stop and take a nap, and get passed up?"

Yeah, thats the point of the story. on the one hand, Gates replaced Rummy, the surge is going kinda well, we aint talked about invading Iran lately and have spent more time working with the Euros on sanctions, the Sarkozy presidency has reduced tensions with France, we're starting to put out little feelers on global warming, the Israeli action in Lebanon is fading into memory while Hezb and Hamas continue to act like bastards - on the OTHER hand, China continues to provide succour to nastiness in Darfur and Burman, and to do nastiness itself in Tibet, and to sound like a spoiled child when anyone even suggests protesting via the olympics.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-04-16 09:45|| 2008-04-16 09:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Chinese thuggery has been shown in the limelight recently with the torch bearers hires goons throwing people around. The euro's have finally seen with their own eyes the mockery that is the Chinese government. They lie when ever it suits them, even to themselves. I'm not saying Iran's Government isnt a piece of sh_t. I'm just saying that finally the chinks have shown the rest of the world in a rather obvious way, that they are just a bunch of assh_les.

Posted by chung tsu 2008-04-16 10:10|| 2008-04-16 10:10|| Front Page Top

#8 It's nice that the Euros are aiming some ire at the highly deserving PRC regime.

Too bad it seems to be based on something as ephemeral as "bad press".

Posted by charger 2008-04-16 11:03|| 2008-04-16 11:03|| Front Page Top

#9 I don't know, I'd just call that fickle. Their reasons for suddenly thinking the ChiComs a threat to global stability - being assholes at home and unpleasant in the press abroad - aren't really good reasons for the conclusion reached. There are *other* reasons - the Chinese inclination to partner with tyrannical forces in the Global South like the Bolivarian fascists, the Iranian mullahs, and ZANU-PF, the Taiwanese irredentist conflict, Chinese moves into the Indian Ocean - which supports that conclusion, but they're all orthogonal to the press they've gotten in the last couple weeks.

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2008-04-16 11:13|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2008-04-16 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 The same China the Europeans were wanting to sell their weapons to?

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-04-16 11:24|| 2008-04-16 11:24|| Front Page Top

#11 China is just as worried about EU sentiment as we were.

Posted by DoDo 2008-04-16 11:32|| 2008-04-16 11:32|| Front Page Top

#12 Somehow I'm kinda hurt we aren't seen as the biggest threat anymore.

I'm gonna go kill a few Arab civilians and their bunnies and duckies to make myself feel better.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-04-16 11:41|| 2008-04-16 11:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Just goes to show how Knee-jerk the European public opinion is (and how blind it is to the Islamic threat).

Truth be told China doesn't seem like much of a threat to me. They have historically been very insular and very long term in thinking. I'd feel different if I was a living in China's neighborhood but as an American I think we have time to see if China will reform.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-04-16 12:02|| 2008-04-16 12:02|| Front Page Top

#14 "divination from liver and tea leaves

TwobyFour,
You're more accurate than you realize, since the Chinese are rumored to be taking Falun Gon followers, removing their organs, and selling them on the medical markets.

I hesitate to call them executions (as opposed to murders), but you can probably determine the number of executions in China by counting the number of human organs exported from China.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-04-16 12:05|| 2008-04-16 12:05|| Front Page Top

#15 g: The more the Western media spouts lies, the more the Chinese will buckle down and refuse to move. It's in their character.

Actually, the Chinese will do whatever they can get away with, regardless of what anyone else says. Telling the truth about China has made Chinese more strident in its defense, but that's actually a good thing - it serves to strip away the veneer of affability that has obscured China's real intentions.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2008-04-16 16:09|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-04-16 16:09|| Front Page Top

#16 rjs: They have historically been very insular and very long term in thinking.

They are insular when weak and expansive when strong. Like every other country out there. Don't underestimate them. China started out as a little kingdom maybe the size of New Jersey on the banks of the Yellow River. Most of China's neighbors used to make their home in what is now Chinese territory (before they were driven out). China's entire history can basically be summarized in the following phrase - Manifest Destiny without the guilt.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2008-04-16 16:15|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-04-16 16:15|| Front Page Top

#17 rjs: Just goes to show how Knee-jerk the European public opinion is (and how blind it is to the Islamic threat).

All Muslims know how to do is breed. They have no industrial base to speak of. And they're not exactly united either by religious denomination, ethnicity, class or race. They are an existential threat to Israel, but that's it.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2008-04-16 16:20|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-04-16 16:20|| Front Page Top

#18 I don't know, I'd just call that fickle. Their reasons...aren't really good reasons for the conclusion reached.

My thoughts precisely. It's almost as if they're not paying attention or something.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2008-04-16 16:52|| 2008-04-16 16:52|| Front Page Top

#19 ZF: "Manifest Destiny without the guilt." Brilliant.

Their need for oil is a real concern, IMO.

Posted by ex-lib 2008-04-16 17:21|| 2008-04-16 17:21|| Front Page Top

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