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2008-06-04 Europe

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Posted by anonymous5089 2008-06-04 12:48|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 It is the European way to piss around until things get way out of control, then overreact in terrible ways.

It gets surreal when the two overlap, for instance burning down a ghetto with people trapped inside, while refusing to call them bad names as you do it.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-04 13:41|| 2008-06-04 13:41|| Front Page Top

#2 It is the European way to piss around until things get way out of control, then overreact in terrible ways.

Yeah, the "european way". Because that's how europeans and european countries have always reacted, during all of Europe's history. That's an innate response; that's what europeans do. Yeah, right. That's not a all-sweeping comment, nope. Because it's not PCness. Because PCness is inherent to european thought. And because PCness is absent from the USA.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-06-04 14:17|| 2008-06-04 14:17|| Front Page Top

#3 A few of the voices would substitute their own brand of fascism. Let's not jump into bed with the latter.

Gaaahhhhh.... so, europeans are wimps who doesn't react, but when some do react, they're fascist and that's bad, and anyway, Europe is a dark contient where the lights never were on, etc, etc, ad nauseam. I'm sorry, but from the Lgf and assorted/Fjordman and assorted split, my definite impression was that one side was unwilling to follow its own logic up to its conclusion and prefered to dwell in the comfort zone, and that was not Fjordman's.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-06-04 14:20|| 2008-06-04 14:20|| Front Page Top

#4 The problem is that the many, many Europeans who disagree with this dangerous nonsense seem to have no way to affect events. It's not that all are craven and stupid, and it's insulting to our European Rantburgers (who by their existence and the quality of their comments demonstrate that) to say so. I imagine the outflow from England will be replicated in the rest of the EU.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-06-04 15:47|| 2008-06-04 15:47|| Front Page Top

#5 No, A5089, that's not what I said.

"A few" people would substitute their own brand of fascism, or national socialism, for what they see as the train wreck of multiculturalism.

A few, not all, and not even many. But there are a few who predicate their objection to the Muslims, the multiculturalists, and the left-socialists on the basis of race, religion or national identity. That takes you down an equally dark pathway.

No thanks. Many Europeans (and Americans) reject both evil ideologies. Let's keep it that way.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-06-04 16:16|| 2008-06-04 16:16|| Front Page Top

#6 1) Preventing speech does not prevent thought. If speech cannot be an outlet for ideas and emotions then other outlets will be found, including violence.

2) If speech is punished with fines, loss of jobs, and imprisonment, and assault is punished with fines, loss of jobs, and imprisonment, then violence becomes as viable an action as speaking.

Posted by DoDo 2008-06-04 17:09|| 2008-06-04 17:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Steve White,

I suspect that in order to fight the monsters you mentioned with enough fervor to defeat them, there will have to be a recourse to methods like those used by the Russians in WWII. Remember, when they were up against the wall, it was Russian nationalism that Stalin and the Politburo turned to for motivating the troops because they realized that the pale allure of international Communist brotherhood just wasn't going to cut it.

Read some of Ilya Ehrenburg's war poetry sometime. The one where he states "Soldiers of the Red Army: the German women are yours!" is particularly enlightening as to that nationalistic emphasis.

Beyond that, pay close attention to the fact that what the link exposed was the gagging of the safety valves of free expression. That's generally not a smart idea in situations where pressure is building and I won't be surprised to see it eventually blow up on them. Germany turned to the Nazis after an amount of suffering and insult sufficient, I believe, to have had Americans electing a Fuhrer under similar circumstances.

It's going to get worse for non-Muslim whites in Europe, that goes without saying. That means there will undoubtedly be a serious backlash at some point. When that backlash comes, the natural allies of that movement will be all those who have felt (or actually been) oppressed, and the easiest method to bind that movement together will be appeals from its leaders to nationalist (including racial and religious) solidarity. Ever read the cry, "For England and St. George!" before? It's honored in their past. I suspect it will be again. Such things have real value when it's war to the knife.

Movements that inspire violent and sustained insurgency without such a uniting force are few and far between in world history. Your comment reminded me of Kerensky--well intentioned but ultimately ineffective against forces far stronger than bourgeois morality.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-06-04 19:03|| 2008-06-04 19:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Everything that is happening now in Europe has a history. The only thing that can stop the implementation of the new constitution (The Lisbon Treaty) is Ireland. They are the only country in the EU allowed to vote. And things are not looking good.

Posted by tipper 2008-06-04 19:26|| 2008-06-04 19:26|| Front Page Top

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