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2008-12-15 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Wilders tells "Facing Jihad" conference 'there is no moderate Islam'

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Posted by ryuge 2008-12-15 05:43|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ] Top

#1 the Koran "is like a supermarket where one takes what one wants and leaves the rest." This freedom of selection, he argued, provides a means for reshaping Islam

Yeah. But always for the good? I say BS. Under stress, Islam will just go into remission.

Posted by gorb 2008-12-15 06:28|| 2008-12-15 06:28|| Front Page Top

#2 Islam is the rastionalization religion, any thing is allowed in the name of allah (murder,lying,cheating,stealing,kidnapping).
What an attractive Ideolgy to do what ever you want for your own benefit all in the name of allah.

Posted by darrylq 2008-12-15 08:39|| 2008-12-15 08:39|| Front Page Top

#3 You forgot their fascination with buggering little boys. That alone puts them on my sh*t list.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-12-15 09:28|| 2008-12-15 09:28|| Front Page Top

#4 I agree with Pipes. If the billion of Muslims were radical there would be a lot more trouble.

Posted by Uleck Ghibelline9225 2008-12-15 09:44|| 2008-12-15 09:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Of cource there are---those who say they only want to wipe out Israel.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-12-15 10:34|| 2008-12-15 10:34|| Front Page Top

#6 I think both are correct, in a way. Islam is the problem but polarizing a billion people against us creates a bigger problem. Reshaping the religion buys time, in hope they will eventually see the irrationality and incompatibility of jihad and survival--kind of like cooking the frog slowly so it doesn't hop out of the pan.

Posted by Danielle 2008-12-15 10:40|| 2008-12-15 10:40|| Front Page Top

#7 a means for reshaping Islam

I know a way, worked like a charm on the cult of Huitzilopochtli.

Posted by Hernando Cortez 2008-12-15 10:43|| 2008-12-15 10:43|| Front Page Top

#8 Pipes opined that those who regard Islam rather than jihad as the enemy fail to realize that a change has occurred over the past few years: Although moderate Muslims are still a small force, they are stronger than they were two years ago. "Millions took to the streets to protest Turkey's Islamist ruling party, the AKP," he said when asked to name examples. And "hundreds of thousands demonstrated in Pakistan" following the murder of prime ministerial candidate (and former premier) Benazir Bhutto last year.

Both rather weak examples; they're more political than 'religious'.

Posted by Pappy 2008-12-15 12:56|| 2008-12-15 12:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Pappy that's the problem. ISLAM is both political and religious. You can't have one without the other.

The interesting statement is "...moderate Muslims are still a small force..."

How many times have we been told that jihadis were a small, no tiny, no infitesimally pint sized portion of the Umma. Maybe not so much after all, hmmmm?

Posted by AlanC 2008-12-15 15:50|| 2008-12-15 15:50|| Front Page Top

#10 The fellow who Pipes quoted is a professor who teaches at various institutions.

He was the primary author of a tractate called something like "What Unites Us" or "A Word in Common Between Us" which was sent to the Christian community and signed by a bunch of similarly minded folk.

It's probably true that Hassan Hanafi is a 'moderate muslim'. However, its also almost totally meaningless.

These 'moderate muslim' scholarly types have almost no impact in the arabic, urdu, turkish speaking muslim world and are powerless to influence Jihadic Muslims.

Posted by mhw 2008-12-15 16:00|| 2008-12-15 16:00|| Front Page Top

#11 The Moderate Muslim Myth

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-15 17:53|| 2008-12-15 17:53|| Front Page Top

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-15 18:10|| 2008-12-15 18:10|| Front Page Top

#13 Pappy that's the problem. ISLAM is both political and religious. You can't have one without the other.

I realize that.

However, both examples Pipes recited really have little if any any religious basis. Turks went after the AKP because it was attempting to abrogate what Ataturk established; it was more nationalism than anything.

Pakistanis? From what I gather it was more blame on the then-existing government than any religious group.

Posted by Pappy 2008-12-15 21:29|| 2008-12-15 21:29|| Front Page Top

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