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2008-12-31 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by ryuge 2008-12-31 05:21|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 All this blather is based on a false supposition: that Obama Hussein and the USA can "force" Israel into suicide. Israel is an independent state, and can't be forced to do anything. A cessation of US support would be a blow, but not a terribly serious one. Other states would fill the vacuum. I could see India stepping up, for example.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2008-12-31 07:49|| 2008-12-31 07:49|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't know about that. Israel's economy is not in strong shape. We provide a few billion in military aid, money that is rather fungible, and taking that away would hurt the Israelis.

In the short term the Israelis could withstand the Paleos. In the longer term, a lack of US support, coupled with increasing (and increasingly open) Iranian support for the Paleos, would indeed draw the noose tighter. That has a snowball effect: less immigration into Israel, more emigration out, slower economy, etc., etc.

If this is where Iran has been going it's clever, but of course it depends on finding an American president who would strike the bargain. Perhaps Bambi is that one, in which case, look out.

Posted by Steve White 2008-12-31 08:10|| 2008-12-31 08:10|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm shaking.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-12-31 08:33|| 2008-12-31 08:33|| Front Page Top

#4 I have to agree with Scooter. Israel isn't going down without a fight. The worst thing Iran could do is to back them into a corner. It would be glass parking lot time for Tehran.
I also have a bone to pick with the author's history. Hitler did offer to let the Brits keep their empire in exchange for letting him dominate the continent (FDR wouldn't have been involved because the US wasn't at war with Germany then). Churchill had the spine to tell him to pound sand. Sadly, that appears to have used up most of the spine in Britain.

Posted by Spot">Spot 2008-12-31 08:36|| 2008-12-31 08:36|| Front Page Top

#5 Well,
Maybe Obama will cut a deal with Ahmadini-Baby.
However, this will not really change anything fundamentally. - While the US under Obama can economically and militarily make us seriously hurt, I don't think this can finish us in only four years. and I think by this time there would be another republican at the white house.
Even if the US completely abandons us, in my view this will lead to a no holds barred nuclear confrontation between Israel and the Arabs
Remember Massada?

Any American politician and the American President have to realize that most of us (Israeli's) have nowhere to go and we will fight to the end (and if we have to take a few hundred million Arabs with us -so be it !).
It doesn't sound very nice but life isn't always fare.

Posted by Elder of Zion 2008-12-31 08:49|| 2008-12-31 08:49|| Front Page Top

#6 We also know Obama's view of Iran, that it's "a tiny ~~kitty~~ country" that doesn't "pose a serious threat to us."

Here kitty, kitty, kitty.... come to Bebe.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-12-31 08:49|| 2008-12-31 08:49|| Front Page Top

#7 Any American politician and the American President have to realize that most of us (Israeli's) have nowhere to go Unfortunately, that is NOT the case judging from what gets into the MSM.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-12-31 10:15|| 2008-12-31 10:15|| Front Page Top

Posted by goatdonor 2008-12-31 10:24|| 2008-12-31 10:24|| Front Page Top

#9 If Sloe Joe and the Magic Man think that their big surprise is the abandonment of Israel and cuddling up to the Muzz, they are going to see a complete turn over in Congress in two years. And, they may be prosecuted for war crimes.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2700 2008-12-31 12:23|| 2008-12-31 12:23|| Front Page Top

#10
Let me destroy this country, and I will cooperate. Of course I already agreed to cooperate, then changed my mind, but I won't change my mind again, honest!

You know they only offer this insult because our leaders keep coming back for more.

Posted by flash91 2008-12-31 12:28|| 2008-12-31 12:28|| Front Page Top

#11 So with Israel outta the way, who moves into the top spot on their list? If Barry wants to know the answer to that one, tell him to look in a miirror.

Posted by tu3031 2008-12-31 12:39|| 2008-12-31 12:39|| Front Page Top

#12 It would be glass parking lot time for Tehran.

I'm afraid so. If the US no longer supports Israel, what's to stop them and what choice would they have? There would be a much better chance for peace if we'd glass Tehran for them just to make sure it gets done right. Peace through strength, you know. Maybe we could give 'em a little Hiroshima or Nagasaki and then ask if they want to talk.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-12-31 16:19|| 2008-12-31 16:19|| Front Page Top

#13 Noone wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-12-31 16:52|| 2008-12-31 16:52|| Front Page Top

#14 No one wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain

How 'bout the next Jimmy Carter?

Posted by DMFD 2008-12-31 16:57|| 2008-12-31 16:57|| Front Page Top

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