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61% of Arizona Republicans Say McCain Out of Touch With Party Base

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Posted by Fred 2009-09-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top

#1 My stomach turns more by seeing McShame than when seeing Obama.

Posted by HammerHead 2009-09-30 08:18|| 2009-09-30 08:18|| Front Page Top

#2 What the Donks fail to grasp, is that those polled probably would simply say the entire Beltway government is out of touch with the population [but not the special interest groups], however the pollsters are keen about avoiding asking such.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-09-30 08:18|| 2009-09-30 08:18|| Front Page Top

#3 DUHHH!

if Johnny Mac had beliefs in touch with his base, he would have won in November.

i salute his service in uniform, but cringe at his performance in DC

Posted by abu do you love ">abu do you love 2009-09-30 08:35|| 2009-09-30 08:35|| Front Page Top

#4 "My friends"

What a worthless, smug, jerk. He ran a losing campaign because he wanted to demonstrate his Absolute Mavericky Moral Authority, refusing to get in Obamas face with all the crap we read in RB and see demonstrated in teh news every day now. Jeremiah Wright? Off limits. Lack of experience? Off limits. Acorn? Off limits. McCain should take himself and that worthless POS daughter of his off to Sedona and STFU. He's dead to me

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-09-30 08:41|| 2009-09-30 08:41|| Front Page Top

#5 Macain is old news. Who cares want anyone thinks of him now? How is it relevant to dealing with the mess we are in now? Get over it and get to work on the present and the future.

Posted by Richard of Oregon 2009-09-30 09:17|| 2009-09-30 09:17|| Front Page Top

#6 I imagine there are plenty in Arizona who feel backstabbed by McCain on the issue of illegal immigration, so to them, at least, he's hardly 'old news'.

Posted by Woozle Uneter9007 2009-09-30 09:58|| 2009-09-30 09:58|| Front Page Top

#7 Well said Frank. Megan McCain is a joke, a willing useful idiot for dems to parade around on Maher's show and the View. She tries to wear the (R) like a gucci bag, it's a brand not a belief. I wish Arizonans would do the right thing and vote Mccain out of office.

Posted by Broadhead6 2009-09-30 10:06|| 2009-09-30 10:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Dead on Frank! Dead phueching on.

(You did however neglect to mention his....suspending the campaign ensure that we all got on the Big Gummit/Obama debt track)

Posted by Besoeker in Duitsland 2009-09-30 10:16|| 2009-09-30 10:16|| Front Page Top

#9 all he had to do was pick a reasonable running mate and victory would have been his, how hard would that have been.

Posted by 746 2009-09-30 10:23|| 2009-09-30 10:23|| Front Page Top

#10 Do you really think all of us conservatives were all set to vote for the nationalization of the banks permanent debt-indentiture of the nation until he went and partnered with Sarah Palin?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-09-30 11:20|| 2009-09-30 11:20|| Front Page Top

#11 all he had to do was pick a reasonable running mate and victory would have been his, how hard would that have been.

746 dear, are you still miffed that it wasn't you that got the telephone call? You must remember, the purpose of the vice presidential candidate is to look pretty and bring in votes. I mean, do you remember who FDR picked for his first two runs for the big job? Or what people thought about the man he picked the third time round -- the one who actually got promoted?

Posted by trailing wife 2009-09-30 11:53|| 2009-09-30 11:53|| Front Page Top

#12 TW,

Are you talking about John Nance Garner, who entered political immortality by describing the Vice Presidency as "not worth a bucket of war piss.", Henry Wallace, at best a communist tool?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-09-30 12:03|| 2009-09-30 12:03|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm sick of having to hold my nose and vote for so-called Republicans like McCain who are only nominally different from Democrats. In the end I voted for McCain only because Obama scares the bejeebers outta me. How many people didn't vote because McCain looks like a feeble old man who is out of touch, not just with his base but with reality?

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-09-30 12:43|| 2009-09-30 12:43|| Front Page Top

#14 I really hope you guys can get off your ideological purity kick. If the DEms always nominated someone good, that would be okay. But they don't. So I need a GOP alternative I can actually vote for. If McCain, tough on for policy, opposed to any flavor of Obama care, opposed to any rollback of any of the Bush tax cuts, etc, etc is STILL to "moderate" for you, you are pretty far gone.

And yeah, TW, picking Palin was a mistake and pushed a lot of waverers into voting for BHO. Like me, for instance.

The GOP base is harming the GOP. As the Dem base did to the Dems, till Clinton tamed them. They are growling about Obama, but are still pretty much caged.

If the DEm lefty base DOES resurge, AND the GOP base succeeds at purgint "RINOs" a new centrist party will arise.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 12:56|| 2009-09-30 12:56|| Front Page Top

#15 frank reads like a mirror image of the stuff on Kos, moveon, huffington etc.

Taking stuff from the echo chamber too seriously. Ignoring the knowledge of people who do polling, who look at what actually moves voters. Emotionalizing every issue, catastrophizing everything, demonizing the opponent.

But go ahead and defeat all those 74% of GOP congressmen in primaries. Try it, see how it works out.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 12:59|| 2009-09-30 12:59|| Front Page Top

#16 I dunno, LH, I managed to hold my nose and vote for the grumpy old man despite agreeing with most/all of what Frank wrote.

The Republicans should indeed be a 'big tent' party, and a Pub in Maine is likely different than a Pub in Arizona. That said, Pubs shouldn't be lite-Dhimmicrats.

As to Palin, I think that was a wash. Her selection caused you to vote for BHO, it caused me to vote for Johnny Mac.

The GOP base long has wanted to purge RINOs but recognize that without 'em, the GOP would never win another election. There's a difference in voting for a RINO and voting for Specter, as the latter recently demonstrated. So RINOs who manage to stay with us on the big things will be fine (or at least should be).

Posted by Steve White 2009-09-30 13:10|| 2009-09-30 13:10|| Front Page Top

#17 Nimble Spemble:

Same difference but wrong excretion.

"Not worth a bucket of warm spit"
Jonh Nance Garner

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-09-30 13:12|| 2009-09-30 13:12|| Front Page Top

#18 well steve, you arent as ideologically pure as many of your commentors.

I dont think Palin was a wash. Or rather if she was, the GOP is doomed. If large portions of the GOP base WONT vote for someone as DEEPLY conservative as McCain, without someone like Palin on the ticket, then the GOP wont have the math to win a national election. Or they will only win when the Dems screw up, and then they will have one term presidencies, like the Dems from 1968-1992.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 13:15|| 2009-09-30 13:15|| Front Page Top

#19 If you think that's what the Texan said, OK.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-09-30 13:15|| 2009-09-30 13:15|| Front Page Top

#20 and pushed a lot of waverers into voting for BHO. Like me, for instance.

Somehow this does not surprise me. Still happy with that choice?

Posted by SteveS 2009-09-30 13:16|| 2009-09-30 13:16|| Front Page Top

#21 Deeply conservative? With all the bailout shit he voted for?

We could ditch ideological purity and nominate Marx with Stalin as his running mate and by the end of the week they'll be denounced as running-dog capitalist enemies of the working class.

If not wanting trillion-dollar-a-year deficits is your idea of ideological purity, then yeah, I guess we're just rigid assholes.

I wanna ask though, as someone from the South, why y'all are so eager to get the nation under the same sort of debt servitude that was used as the primary social control mechanism of the late 19th century South? Y'all have spent the last fifty years turning Health Care into something you get at the Company Store and sit around acting so SHOCKED that it winds up getting more and more expensive each year. And then call the rest of us rigid ideologues.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-09-30 13:25|| 2009-09-30 13:25|| Front Page Top

#22 I don't think McCain was especially conservative. A lot of Pubs agreed. He was conservative on certain issues and middle-ish on others. I don't think McCain has a well-thought out ideology (as say, Reagan did or Cheney does). That's not necessarily a handicap, but it does become necessary when times get tough for a president.

You might not like Palin, and you're not alone. I do know that the Dhimmicrats fear her -- I know that by the way they attacked her.

You are correct: I'm not as idoelogically pure as some here. My loss, I suppose.

Posted by Steve White 2009-09-30 13:27|| 2009-09-30 13:27|| Front Page Top

#23 really hope you guys can get off your ideological purity kick. If the DEms always nominated someone good, that would be okay. But they don't. So I need a GOP alternative I can actually vote for.

I don't see us 'teabaggers' (Your word, LH, not mine) changing our belief system in order to support republicans that are liberal enough for you to vote for.

picking Palin was a mistake and pushed a lot of waverers into voting for BHO. Like me, for instance.

I call bullshit. Be honest, who could McCain have picked as his VP to secure your vote?

Posted by Mike N. 2009-09-30 13:27|| 2009-09-30 13:27|| Front Page Top

#24 Nimble Spemble, thank you for remembering the key bits of information I forgot, and GolfBravoUSMC for making it perfect. liberalhawk, Sarah Palin tilted people in both directions -- a great many women were appalled at how the Barack H. Obama's campaign talked about Hillary Clinton and how he gamed the primaries, and were happy to have a strong woman to vote for, regardless who stood at the head of the ticket. I agree that a good many conservatives forgot that you go to the election with the candidate you've got, and punished the Republican ticket for lacking their particular flavour of ideological purity instead of weighing the odds that the Democratic candidate might be even further from their desired agenda. This country's founders deliberately designed a system that requires compromise, and voters on both sides of the aisle would do well to remember that.

Of course, now we have idiots claiming that those guys are about to get violent because of... something or other, it keeps changing.

As for Senator McCain, so long as he is closer to his voters' values than his opponents, he'll hold on to his seat. I'd rather have him there than an Obama-beholden Democrat, which is likely to be the alternative.

Posted by trailing wife 2009-09-30 13:45|| 2009-09-30 13:45|| Front Page Top

#25 I ♥ Sarah Palin. Choosing her as a running mate was one of the few good things McCain did.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-09-30 13:50|| 2009-09-30 13:50|| Front Page Top

#26 SP was the ONLY reason I voted for McCain. I am pleased to hear that LH and I differ on this subject. I also am surprised that Steve White and I agree on something. :)

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2009-09-30 14:14|| 2009-09-30 14:14|| Front Page Top

#27 The only reason I voted for McShame is the fact he wasn't Bambi.

Deeply conservative my ass... He is as big government and entitlement as the libs are.

I want the government to stay the hell out of my life and affairs and social issues. Small government, lots of personal choice. McShame and his bill to suppress speech before a campaign vote is just one of those things I despise him for.

As an old school libertarian, I don't see many in either party that support my views. Most likely why I despise most politicians on both sides.

Posted by DarthVader 2009-09-30 14:20|| 2009-09-30 14:20|| Front Page Top

#28 "I don't think McCain was especially conservative. A lot of Pubs agreed. "

well thats the problem. that alot of pubs think like that. Just as the DEms problem are the nut jobs who think Obama is a conservative.

"He was conservative on certain issues and middle-ish on others.

IE much like Obama, who is liberal on some issues, middleish on others. IE like EVERY pol who has a chance nationally, or in a swing state.

"I don't think McCain has a well-thought out ideology (as say, Reagan did or Cheney does). "

Well first, I think he did, it just was more complex than the left right dimension. As for Cheney, I dont see as he won election on his own anywhere outside Wyoming. As for Reagan, he was seen as pretty pragmatic in many ways. He sure didnt do much to assuage the far right on social issues. He didnt cut back domestic spending all that much. And perhaps more important, he had a sunny view of America, not the catastrophic paranoid style of todays right.

"That's not necessarily a handicap, but it does become necessary when times get tough for a president."

I am not going to debate whether McCain would have been a better president than Palin. Or Bush.

"You might not like Palin, and you're not alone. I do know that the Dhimmicrats fear her -- I know that by the way they attacked her."

Nah, they attack her the way GOP attacks Max Waters, or Michael Moore, or Soros. Its cause shes an easy target, and attacking her makes the GOP look bad.

I know I personally think Palin would be a far weaker candidate than say, Tim Pawlenty. I dont think the Dems would get much traction NOW by attacking Pawlenty now.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:21|| 2009-09-30 14:21|| Front Page Top

#29 "I call bullshit. Be honest, who could McCain have picked as his VP to secure your vote?"

as it was I thought about voting for him. Pawlenty would have made me at least somewhat more likely.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:23|| 2009-09-30 14:23|| Front Page Top

#30 "Somehow this does not surprise me. Still happy with that choice?"

Probably happier than a lot of folks to my left, since I NEVER saw him in messianic terms. I think hes done an excellent job on the economy, environment, etc. For Policy more mixed, but no disasters SO FAR. Too much we dont know. And of course the Afghanistan decision is hanging fire at this moment.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:26|| 2009-09-30 14:26|| Front Page Top

#31 "I don't see us 'teabaggers' (Your word, LH, not mine) changing our belief system in order to support republicans that are liberal enough for you to vote for."

I wouldnt expect a liberal. Just someone like McCain, who as SW said, is a mix of some conservative positions and some middleish ones. And yeah, you dont have to nominate anyone I would consider voting for. Or other centrists. Not if you dont care about winning elections outside the south, plains and rockies.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:28|| 2009-09-30 14:28|| Front Page Top

#32 "liberalhawk, Sarah Palin tilted people in both directions -- a great many women were appalled at how the Barack H. Obama's campaign talked about Hillary Clinton and how he gamed the primaries, and were happy to have a strong woman to vote for, regardless who stood at the head of the ticket."

IIRC, Most of the women I know found the Palin victim of sexism thing more than a bit condescending and hypocritical, and wanted nothing much to do with her.

But then I live in virginia, a radical left elitists Yankee state. Oh, wait a minute.

But go ahead, if you think Palin adds strength to the GOP, by all means, go ahead and keep her central to GOP politics. Good luck with that.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:32|| 2009-09-30 14:32|| Front Page Top

#33 "Of course, now we have idiots claiming that those guys are about to get violent because of... something or other, it keeps changing. "

because of carrying guns to rallys and making snarky remarks about it, maybe? Cause of really heated rhetoric? Cause of all this birther bs, and the "hes a muslim" BS, etc etc. I mean TW, dont you read the stuff people say on this site?

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:34|| 2009-09-30 14:34|| Front Page Top

#34 McCain-Feingold
McCain-Leiberman
Illegal Immigration craven
TARP Bailout

yeah, a real paragon of Conservative virtues 'tis Johnny Mac.

Obama just tripled down on Bush's debt, that's good for the economy?

"Reagan...had a sunny view of America, not the catastrophic paranoid style of todays right."

-as opposed to the left over the past 10 yrs...

"The GOP base is harming the GOP."

-maybe, but the "waverers" in the middle are hurting the whole country.

Posted by Broadhead6 2009-09-30 14:38|| 2009-09-30 14:38|| Front Page Top

#35 the "gun" at the rally was a photo shop of a black guy at a different rally, not a teabag event...that was debunked last month.

Posted by Broadhead6 2009-09-30 14:39|| 2009-09-30 14:39|| Front Page Top

#36 "McCain-Feingold
McCain-Leiberman
Illegal Immigration craven
TARP Bailout"

I am sorry the right is wedded to the idea that money is speech. Doesnt play out that way in the center.

McCain - Leiberman -which one was that?

Immigration - again, most of the country isnt as paranoid about illegals as y'all are, and is ready for a compromise.

TARP - the left is all mad about that too, cause they dont understand macroeconomics, either. Meanwhile back in the real world banks are paying the money back, the economy is slowly recovering, and Bernanke is headed for a Nobel.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:44|| 2009-09-30 14:44|| Front Page Top

#37 Yes, I do read what people post here, liberalhawk. Sometimes it hurts me. Sometimes I speak up about that. Posters at Progressive sites write about becoming violent too, as well you know. For the most part people on both sides are venting, and foolishly, which is why the moderators keep a lid on things here -- we don't want to get Fred in trouble for stupid posturing.

Broadhead6, we don't say teabag. Apparently it means something ugly when talking politics these days. You mean Tea Partier. Separately, about a third of American voters are middle of the road Independents. So their views will be taken into account whether the purists like it or not.

Posted by trailing wife 2009-09-30 15:14|| 2009-09-30 15:14|| Front Page Top

#38 "I think hes done an excellent job on the economy, environment, etc"

Pass the Egg Nog, every day with Obama is Christmas, raining down money like Uncle Sam is St. Nick and theres not a tomorrow.

Posted by GirlThursday 2009-09-30 15:40|| 2009-09-30 15:40|| Front Page Top

#39 as it was I thought about voting for him. Pawlenty would have made me at least somewhat more likely.

AS long as we're not assuming the above statement means it would have been a winning strategy for the GOP, I agree with you.

The fact is, two limp republicans on a ticket is not what has won in the past. The head of the ticket needs to have some conservative bonafides (or seen as having them) as with Reagan or W. I can think of no other VP more conservative that Darth Cheney. So I suspect Palin conservatism was not a ticket killer.

Posted by Mike N. 2009-09-30 15:48|| 2009-09-30 15:48|| Front Page Top

#40 Im not attacking fred, TW, I love the way he aggregates info about the GWOT, gritty, factual stuff about the doings in Punjab and Bangla and Mauretania. And does so with a light, ironic touch. and opens it to comments, well doing the hard job of policing the horrible stuff (from both sides) such a topic tends to attract.

what I meant was, can't you see how MUCH really nasty, hateful, even violence justifiying stuff there is among the comments? Enough to really be of concern?

And yeah, there is hateful stuff on the left. I think for the last 8 years I have expressed my concern with that. And yeah, to quite a considerable extent the garbage we are getting on the right now, is the fault of the Michael Moores and the like who did the equivalent from the left, and who kept our national dialog (already suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome) on the decline.

As Mercutio said "A plague on both your houses". He died however, so I dont think just plaguing both houses is really a sound solution.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 15:49|| 2009-09-30 15:49|| Front Page Top

#41 TARP - the left is all mad about that too, cause they dont understand macroeconomics, either. Meanwhile back in the real world banks are paying the money back, the economy is slowly recovering, and Bernanke is headed for a Nobel.

Nice way of accusing us of not understanding macroeconomics, or economics for that matter.

Some of the grassroots on the left are mad because the govenrnment has done what they wanted, taken control of the economy, and the result has been what they've always been told was the bad thing about free enterprise, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Since they have no intellectual framework for economic freedom, they're just on the treadmill doing the feedback cycle, gonna fix the last cycle of government expansion with another cycle of government expansion...

Kinda like how the Kuomintang inflated away their currency and the Chinese revolted against the resulting "capitalist" failure.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-09-30 15:50|| 2009-09-30 15:50|| Front Page Top

#42 I agree LH. That's a nasty pox and should be whiped out. Unfortunately, the left is infected with it and needs to be quarantined for the good of the whole. :)

Posted by Mike N. 2009-09-30 15:52|| 2009-09-30 15:52|| Front Page Top

#43 "I am sorry the right is wedded to the idea that money is speech. Doesnt play out that way in the center."

--center of where? Mars?

You just made my points for me about McCain not be a conservative - like I first postulated, thanks.

mccain-leiberman - cap and trade.
mccain-kennedy - immigration

Why did mccain back away from even the mention of illegal immigration pathway amnesty if the country was so ready for a compromise? Are most folks ready for amnesty and was there some kind of poll saying so?

Yes, why be paranoid when our elected leaders cannot or will not maintain their constitutional oaths and protect the integrity of our territorial boundaries? Oh, you meant we right wing gun-toting Tea Partiers (TW) are just paranoid about brown skin people...guess I'll have to tell my right wing latino cousins about how racist I am - and therefore they are.

Obama tripling down on Bush's debt is smart macro-economics? Taxing and borrowing our nation out of debt? Thank God I don't understand it then...I suppose the CBO must be some Right-Wing doom-gloom org as well...

Posted by Broadhead6 2009-09-30 16:01|| 2009-09-30 16:01|| Front Page Top

#44 if the Liberal "hawk" disagrees with me, I know I'm on the right path.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-09-30 19:38|| 2009-09-30 19:38|| Front Page Top

#45 btw - I voted for McCain - only because he was better than Obama. If you voted for Obama, LH, you voted for noted genius and foreign policy expert Joe "The Sheriff" Biden - a heartbeat away from the presidency, so spare me your thoughts. My cat is smarter - she didn't vote for Obama

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-09-30 19:44|| 2009-09-30 19:44|| Front Page Top

#46 Well, yeah, they're solitary antisocial predators, of course they're gonna vote Republican.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-09-30 19:48|| 2009-09-30 19:48|| Front Page Top

#47 Well there it is. I voted for McCain for a good few reasons. Armed Forces vs Ivy League Lawyer, Deeper understanding of the world vs grandstanding face time, decades in Washington vs. freshman senator. Oh, and not as far left as it was becoming apparent. The vice president pick for me was a non factor, the chances of vice president becoming president being so small. The economy had just taken a hit and I wanted a president who could lead and inspire confidence, not some slogoneering crowned nero. And if the duo was important, then I fail to see how a cocain sniffing ivy league lawyer and another ivy league lawyer who refers to himself in the third person trumps a longtime senator and governor of a state which must be involved in international issues no matter how devisie I find either of the latter 2.

Its a leadership question dammit, not high school popularity contest. Looking at it now I think I made the right choice.

Posted by swksvolFF 2009-09-30 21:13|| 2009-09-30 21:13|| Front Page Top

#48 Liberalhawk wants GOP-centrist candidates. Fine. Tell me where they are amongst the Democrats (and please don't tell me "Obama").

Joe Lieberman was sort-of one, until the left tried to dump him. He's an independent, in case anyone forgets, And by the way, he did a 180-degree course change on some of his positions when he ran with Mr. Gore. Guess that's the advantage of being middle-of-the-road - you can move to either side of the line when it suits you.

One thing about all this talk about "lack of civility" reminds me of growing up in New England in the 60s. Our family was associated with, but not in, politics. Civility in the 'good old days' meant the Democrats and Republicans drank together after the legislative day. But the Democrats were in charge - always. The Republicans played the genial second bananna. It was the nerd-kid hanging amongst the cool-kids.

Once in a while, the Democrats threw them a bone by passing a piece of their sponsored legislation. Ninety-nine percent of the time though, they'd reflexively vote against it because, as one now-retired legislator turned newsman said, "a Republican was going to vote for it" .

It's interesting that, during G.W. Bush's first term, McCain veered to the right when faced with a recall petition that was gathering both signatures and momentum. As soon as it was safe, he tacked back.

Being successful in politics requires a certain degree of skill that the less-charitable would describe as 'sociopathic'. Having those skills when being (or trying to be) a leader means ruin - for the individual and too often for whoever is being led. One can be both a politician and a leader, but one side will dominate.

McCain used to be a leader, of a sort. He isn't one now. Dole was a leader turned politician and is still is a bit of both, in a lesser but important way. Reagan was a rare mix of both, as was Lincoln, FDR, and Truman. Nixon was a politician. The Clintons, both of them, are politicians.

Politicians make lousy Presidents.

Posted by Pappy 2009-09-30 22:06|| 2009-09-30 22:06|| Front Page Top

#49 LH, you should have prefaced your comments about how terrific Obama has been on the economy and the environment with a "food/drink alert" warning.

I think maybe, since you are in Virginia, yes...the economy might be improving there. After all, only the federal government is hiring lately. But in flyover country, eh, not so much. It kinda sucks out here. Michigan is an absolute basket case. You can't blame all that on Bush for much longer...

And as far as the environment goes, I'm not looking forward to the effect cap & tax is going to have on my winter power bills. Sorry, but when it's around -40, I'm gonna do what I have to in order to keep the Tsarevich (and the newest little member of our clan, due in March) warm. Maybe this is a brilliant idea where you live, but in areas where it gets frostbitten in the winter or baked to a crisp in summer, it's not so wonderful.

(Please don't give me a condescending "you don't have to live there" speech, either. When the choice is a job in the lower arctic or unemployment for the Tsar, well, yeah, I do kinda have to live here for now unless YOU personally want to pay all our bills. Hopefully not for longer than 2 years if the damage Obama is doing to this country isn't irreversible.)

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2009-09-30 23:36|| 2009-09-30 23:36|| Front Page Top

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