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2010-07-13 Home Front: Culture Wars

4 Christian missionaries persecuted in Dearborn festival proselytizing

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Posted by Fred 2010-07-13 12:36|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Question: Define "incitement". Were the men themselves ill-behaved, or did their mere presence upset the Festival attendees?

Posted by mom 2010-07-13 12:48|| 2010-07-13 12:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Mere presence, mom.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-07-13 13:39|| 2010-07-13 13:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Several factors to be considered.

1) Public or private area.
2) Open to the general public, or a closed event.
3) Disruptive or likely to incite violence.
4) Requirement of religious groups to "distribute information at paid booths or outside the event."

The fourth one is the sticking point. The requirement offers both a paid and unpaid option. Were they refused a booth, or restricted outside the event, it would be much easier to defend.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-07-13 13:45|| 2010-07-13 13:45|| Front Page Top

#4 ACTS 17 has a response to the mayor - and multiple videos of their activities at and outside the event.

In fact, as I recall, they were told they could not distrubute their leaflets within 6 blocks of the event.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-07-13 14:05|| 2010-07-13 14:05|| Front Page Top

#5 I read the whole accounting of this incident elsewhere. This is being hyped beyond what it is I fear. The carnival organizers rented a booth to Christian group who proselytized with no problems at this same event. These other guys seem to have ambushed the event. This is by no means a clear cut case of christian persecution, go to nigeria, or the white house for that.

I think these festival holders did the right thing by asking them to leave and then calling the cops. If the folks left on their own accord however, there should have been no charges or arrests.

Imagine if your church were holding a carnival. You obliged the PC nutjobs by renting a booth to a Muslim group, (which I personally wouldn't do) and then some other muslim group showed up en masse preaching muhammad and interrupting your event making some youtube video. There would be a lot less restraint from the church members I know than this group showed when confronted with said situation.

In short, muhammad would have gotten a beat down by the congregants in my home town for the same thing these "church folk" did, no doubt. And since one of our deacons is a cop there wouldn't have been a need to call the cops, they would have been there tazing said muslims already.

Posted by Onerous 2010-07-13 15:33|| 2010-07-13 15:33|| Front Page Top

#6 My church, if it had a carnival, would not beat down, or demand the arrest of Muslims proselytizing. Quite to the contrary. This church has a strong evangelical theologcal response to Islam and would welcome dialogue to show how false Islam is in comparison to Christianity.

Secondly, due to our church's conservative biblical stance, it is not uncommon for our congregants to be met at the church door by protestors, usually Gay Rights protestors on Sunday Morning. They backed off after congregants started sharing the Gospel. They were never arrested as long as they behaved.

Posted by Ebbolutle McCoy6622 2010-07-13 16:27|| 2010-07-13 16:27|| Front Page Top

#7 In summary, a strong biblically based dialogue blows Islamic Theology out of the water. THAT is why Islamist leadership bans a Christian presence, and why a strong Christian presence welcomes theological discussion regarding the weakness of Islamic Theology.

Posted by Ebbolutle McCoy6622 2010-07-13 16:33|| 2010-07-13 16:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Islam is the only religion which proscribes death to Christians (or any other religion) who Proselytize. It is the only religion which has a hissy-fit, and actually commit murder, over a few cartoons. (Its also the only major religion to practice human sacrifices in the form of homicide bombers but I digress...)

And if you claim that 'only a fringe' does that - I have yet to see mainstream Muslims condemn it (as opposed to celebrate it). CAIR certainly doesn't.

I've seen some of the videos on this - they were at the entrance of the fair handling out pamphlets and only engaging people who engage them first.

You must belong to some strange church if you would 'beat down' any Muslims for proselytizing their religion at your carnival.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-07-13 20:22|| 2010-07-13 20:22|| Front Page Top

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