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2012-01-02 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Iran to test-fire two long range missiles today

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Posted by ryuge 2012-01-02 01:15|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Define "Long Range"

Posted by Water Modem 2012-01-02 03:00|| 2012-01-02 03:00|| Front Page Top

#2 And just yesterday, the Pentagon announced the shelving of the airborne laser because Democrats don't like it, whether it works or not.

Qader: Iranian anti-ship cruise missile with a range over 200 km.

Nour (or Noor): upgraded copy of Chinese C-802.

"Due to the Yingji-82 missile's small radar reflectivity, low attack flight path (only five to seven meters above the sea surface) and strong anti-jamming capability of its guidance system, target ships have a very small chance of intercepting the missile. The single shot hit probability of the Yingji-82 is estimated to be as high as 98%. The Yingji-82 can be launched from airplanes, surface ships, submarines and land-based vehicles. Its export name is the C-802.

Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-02 08:23|| 2012-01-02 08:23|| Front Page Top

#3 So if we sink all their ships, bomb all of their aircraft into junk, and shoot up, blow up, or incinerate any vehicle within 200 km of the straits, I guess we'll be safe...oh since the Gulf is shallow, we give it to the subs just to be safe.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2012-01-02 09:18|| 2012-01-02 09:18|| Front Page Top

#4 The single shot hit probability of the Yingji-82 is estimated to be as high as 98%.

If you are a big fat tanker. Not so much if you are a corvette or larger warship.

Posted by Shimble Guelph5793 2012-01-02 09:26|| 2012-01-02 09:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Anti-jamming? Missles can be destroyed with flac.

Posted by Gerthudion Stalin4019 2012-01-02 11:11|| 2012-01-02 11:11|| Front Page Top

#6 98%. Hah, ha. There is less than a 98% chance that the average person will pour a glass of milk and not spill.

Anti-ship missiles are highly complex physical things. To just get the thing to fire off the rail will have a few percent failure rate. Then to maintain track a few more. And so on.

Oh, and it was made as an export only item by the same Chinese that built those collapsing schools for their own children. An it is operated by Iranians who have purged their military of anyone with any talent.

If the Iranians could achieve a 50% hit rate against a stationary target with these things without killing many folks on the launch team, it would be a surprise. Against a moving commercial ship it would be less. Against a modern warship, much less.

But I digress, this whole thing is just a show by Iran to keep the price of oil high. And Obama wants that too. So, the whole situation is all full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

Posted by rammer 2012-01-02 12:30|| 2012-01-02 12:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Nah.

The next big shooting war, people are gonna find out real fast that the seas are ruled by antiship missiles, and that only subs and little craft can survive.

Posted by gromky 2012-01-02 12:33|| 2012-01-02 12:33|| Front Page Top

#8 The test may also reveal if the operating system virus is also infecting missile guidance systems.

Posted by Airandee 2012-01-02 13:50|| 2012-01-02 13:50|| Front Page Top

#9 Yes, gromky, in the littoral land based missiles will keep big high value ship away from shore. There U.S. submarines will clear the seas. In blue water, missiles will also will clear the sea, but they will have been from launched from U.S. ships. On the ground U.S. aircraft based on land and blue water carriers will dominate the operational space.

The capability of the U.S. militarily is overwhelming, dynamic, and multidimensional.
The prospects for a small backward country like Iran in conventional battles with the U.S. are dim. That is why they will talk big, but continue playing little ball using terrorists and proxies to destabilize things, and use both methods to run up the price of oil.

Even the Saudi's on their own have the capability to completely dominate Iranian airspace, destroy all their fleet, sterilize their army bases and weapons sites. Why don't they? Because it would disrupt the sale of oil. So the Saudi's know the Iranians aren't going to disrupt oil sales, just as we know they aren't going to either.

So while, tactically, anti-ship missiles are important and analytically interesting, the question here is strategic. How can Iran do crazy stuff to get the most money out of the oil Iran is selling today?

Posted by rammer 2012-01-02 14:00|| 2012-01-02 14:00|| Front Page Top

#10 A while back it was suggested that by using odd bands of energy, satellites could see through water, if not to the bottom of deep trenches, then at least to maximum submarine depth, thus a single overflight could spot every submarine in a particular ocean, for location, depth, direction of travel and speed.

As early as the early '80's, it was alleged that in a test, every modern ship sunk in the English Channel was plotted. If that was the case, the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman would be a breeze, and the Arabian and Caspian seas could also be policed.

Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-02 15:02|| 2012-01-02 15:02|| Front Page Top

#11 The Iranians probably figure that their special forces will hide on the shore and harass shipping with anti-shipping missiles.

Posted by gorb 2012-01-02 18:02|| 2012-01-02 18:02|| Front Page Top

#12 The Iranians probably figure that their special forces will hide on the shore and harass shipping with anti-shipping missiles.

Or with 'long range' they will position the launchers farther inland, banking on a larger land area to hide them and more air defense to protect them.

Posted by Pappy 2012-01-02 18:33|| 2012-01-02 18:33|| Front Page Top

#13 OTOH DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [Amin Sakal] US + ISRAEL HAVE RUN OUT OF OPTIONS AGZ IRAN.

One indigenous nuclear fuel rod doth NOT evidence of an Iranian NucProg maketh.

IIUC ARTIC = THE MAIN/PRIMARY EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF A US WAR ON IRAN ARE THOSE N-O-T-RELATED TO IRAN'S NUCPROGS, ostensibly because the US, etc. has failed to prove Iran has a viable NucProg, let alone one covertly designed to dev NucWeaps.

versus

* WAFF > {PressTV = Shamus Cooke, Global Research] "INVADING IRAN [ + Syria] IS INVADING RUSSIA, CHINA".

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-01-02 20:59|| 2012-01-02 20:59|| Front Page Top

#14 Lest we fergit, IRAN'S MULLAHS had already indicated their strategy many years ago in case of de facto US attack + ground invasion, namely ...

> ALLOW US GROUND FORCES ENTER IRAN WHERE THEY WILL ENCOUNTER VIETNAM-ERA STYLE "PEOPLE'S/
GUERILLA WAR" = ARMED RESISTANCE.
> Tehran to be willing use Any + All WMDS [CBRNE] weapons at their disposal, be it indigenous andor foreign. AGZ US = US-ALLIED TARGETS ON IRANIAN SOIL, including widin Iranian Cities + Towns as pertinent.
> Iranian Armed Forces, IRGC, + BASIJ to be flexible + MOUNT PREDATORY CROSS-BORDER ATTACKS FROM OUTSIDE IRAN'S BORDERS, WID OR WIDOUT THE SOVEREIGN CONSENT OF IRAN'S MUSLIM NEIGHBORS.
> INDUCE ANTI-US "GREAT POWER" MILPOL, NUCLEAR CONFRONTATION, IFF NOT DIRECT INTERVENTION.

The above by Iran is consistent wid them also staying on the Media + Diplomatic, etc. "strategic defensive" AMAP ALAP ATAP.

IOW, Iran will be willing to induce both REGIONAL WAR, as well as potens GLOBAL WAR, iff attacked + invaded.

"IRAN GETS ITS NUKES, OR ELSE IRAN GETS INVADED" = akin to "IFF THE US, ETC. WANTS TO STOP US, LET THEM COME + GET US"!, as every other Great Power or Enemy of Persia-Iran has had to do in antiquity.

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* ION TOPIX > IRAN MISSLE TEST POINTS TO DANGEROUS 2012 IN DEALING WID TEHRAN.

* SAME > MIDDLE EAST: IRAN THREATENS 150,000 MISSLE RESPONSE TO ISRAEL'S JERICHOS, to includ possibly also agz NATO = NATO-EU.

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