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2015-10-27 China-Japan-Koreas

U.S. Navy to send destroyer within 12 miles of Spratly Islands

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Posted by Steve White 2015-10-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 Like a number of US Politicos working or calling for the closure of Gitmo, Cuba by keeping it open, Anti-US US OWG Globalist POTUS Obama keeping a USN Destroyer + follow-on Warships just outside China's proclaimed 12-NM limit will have the effect of indirectly recognizing China's sovereignty over the islands + SCS, NOT TO THE CONTRARY.

The key for a successful Bammer FP is China de facto ceasing its currrent + future contruction activities, + removing or not deploying any PLA military assets there - ANYTHING LESS WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS A MAJOR DIPLOMATIC AND PROPAGANDA VICTORY FOR CHINA, NOT THE US-ALLIES.

POTUS OBAMA = CHINA PLAN + CG VEE THE JAPANESE-CONTROLLED SENKAKUS [China = Diaoyus] = OBAMA MUST ORDER THE USN SHIPS TO SAIL INSIDE THE 12-NM LIMIT, as the US-led FONOP will mean nothing iff China continues to buildup these + other disputed islands, all in full view of the USN sailing over 12-NMS away.

US Regional Allies + US, West-leaning Neutral Nations are NOT going to be fooled by the Bammer's Super-PCorrect Legalism. IFF THE INTENT OF ANTI-US US POTUS OBAMA + GLOBALISTS IS TO INDUCE US REGIONAL ALLIES TO TURN TO CHINA + CHINA-LED OWG "UNION(S)" INSTEAD OF THE US, THEY CAN SUCCEED.

Lest we fergit, there is still the other dangerous strategic access issue of CHINA-VS-JAPAN ala the East China Sea, of which both Nations see themselves as Asia's or East Asia's #1.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2015-10-27 00:50|| 2015-10-27 00:50|| Front Page Top

#2 It needs to be done, but we're talking major loss of face for the ChiComs if it happens. I can't imagine them backing down.

On the other hand, I don't see President "Don't Call My Bluff" going through with a provocative evolution.

Posted by SteveS 2015-10-27 00:59|| 2015-10-27 00:59|| Front Page Top

#3 * FYI BIGNEWSNETWORK > [VOA News] RUSSIA'S "ASIA PIVOT" SEEN IN KURILS MILITARY EXPANSION.

Again, Putin = Russia doesn't fear Japanese designs on Sakhalin + Russia's Far East as much as he fears CSTO-SCO BFF CHINA'S.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > BLOGGER CHINA LEE: FIVE THINGS YOU [= USA] SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CHINA'S FORTRESS ISLANDS, CHINA IS IMPLEMENTING A MULTI-LAYERED DEFENSE ON SOUTH CHINA SEA ISLANDS | HQ-9 SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSLES STRIKE TARGETS AT LONG-RANGE - PEOPLE'S DAILY ONLINE.

* WORLD NEWS > [Asopa People] COULD CHINA [SCS Actions] BE A CATALYST FOR AN INDEPENDENT BOUGAINVILLE?

Upcoming popular referendum/vote on independence.

Bougainville wid its Deep Harbors + Airfields = Guam [+ CNMI + Pacific Islands]. ANY INDEPENDENT BOUGAINVILLE IS LIKELY TO BE INITIALLY ECON STRUGGLING + IN SEARCH FOR INTERNATIONAL PATRONS FOR ITS RESOURCES ANDOR ENDOWMENTS.

GOOD THING FOR GUAM THAT GOVGUAM IS - SURPISE, SURPRISE - NOT MAKING ANY SERIOUS MOVE(S) TO CHANGE GUAM'S POLITICAL STATUS VEE THE US???

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FYI II, as per 1960's-70's Guam Taotamonas + USN Pearl Harbor BB USS "Oklahoma" = "Guam will Capsize" thingys, NET NEWS = FRACKING-LED EARTHQUAKES IN THE US STATE OF OKLAHOMA IS NOW A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE FOR THE US, AS "OKIE" HASS THE LARGEST PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL, NON-FED OIL-STORAGE HUB IN THE US.

Why yes, images of Guam's former Fuel Farm were involved or shown back in the day.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2015-10-27 01:20|| 2015-10-27 01:20|| Front Page Top

#4 12? Make it ten (i.e. < 11 miles)

Posted by Sven the pelter 2015-10-27 02:34|| 2015-10-27 02:34|| Front Page Top

#5 OK, so like the ChiComs will just hack another government database, or two, or three.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-10-27 09:15|| 2015-10-27 09:15|| Front Page Top

#6 Tell them diplomatically to GTFO, then begin turning their Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, and Lowes junk ships around and heading them back to China.

If that doesn't work, default on loan payments and call it the Spratly payment option.

If that doesn't work, terminate their immigration, education visa, and H1B privileges.

If that doesn't work, give the Japs and Formosa a few tactical nukes.

All of that region was paid for in AMERICAN BLOOD 70 years ago. Fok these expansionist, communist bastids !

Posted by Besoeker 2015-10-27 10:50|| 2015-10-27 10:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Nice rant, B! Too bad the boys on Wall Street won't go for it.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-10-27 13:55|| 2015-10-27 13:55|| Front Page Top

#8 What if the Chinese decide to ram the destroyer as they did the spyplane when they were testing George W Bush. We'd lose face as Obama pulled out of the region to avoid further provoking them.

If you're not willing to fight don't hop in the ring and make looking like a fool inevitable.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-10-27 14:40|| 2015-10-27 14:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Update: Looks like the Navy *did* go through with this. Color me surprised. And wrong.

Makes me wonder if the Pentagon is taking advantage of Obama's phone-it-in indifference to do what needs to be done.

One irony to the whole South China Sea affair is that without the USN ensuring freedom of navigation, there would be no globalization and China would not have it's rising economy.

Posted by SteveS 2015-10-27 15:56|| 2015-10-27 15:56|| Front Page Top

#10 I love this place, and have read and posted here for years. And the moment I read of this story elsewhere my first thought was "I wonder how this went over at Rantburg?".

But has it ever been explained why Joseph M can't post in simple English like everyone else? It gets annoying having to scroll past his nonsensical crap in every thread he enters.

Sorry, just had to ask.

Posted by Crusader 2015-10-27 17:13|| 2015-10-27 17:13|| Front Page Top

#11 JM is Rantburg's oracle.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-10-27 17:21|| 2015-10-27 17:21|| Front Page Top

#12 I am unsure if his first language is English. A number of times, JoeM is cliff noting various news sources, other times I think he is putting into words various sources and thoughts, other times there are some clever and/or running jokes.

Took me a little bit but, like those 3D pictures a person stares at, once a picture is seen they all can be seen.

Trying to figure out why Obama is suddenly so froggy on this, and throws Bougainville in.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-10-27 17:28|| 2015-10-27 17:28|| Front Page Top

#13 ..and what g(r)om said.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-10-27 17:29|| 2015-10-27 17:29|| Front Page Top

#14 Crusader must be post-"Muck 4 Doo"-era

Posted by Frank G 2015-10-27 18:27|| 2015-10-27 18:27|| Front Page Top

#15 Now THIS is authentic frontier gibberish

Posted by Frank G 2015-10-27 18:30|| 2015-10-27 18:30|| Front Page Top

#16

Oracle or bard, you pick. Joe is an institution who shares some rather accurate insights. He also keeps us updated on "tip over and capsize" issues. The council has spoken.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-10-27 18:42|| 2015-10-27 18:42|| Front Page Top

#17 Always look for joem and besoerker comments. I read rantburg backwards.

Posted by Clem the Wicked2744 2015-10-27 22:18|| 2015-10-27 22:18|| Front Page Top

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