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2019-12-23 Home Front: Politix
Study: Immigration to Redistribute 26 Congressional Seats to Blue States for 2022 Election
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Posted by Besoeker 2019-12-23 01:56|| || Front Page|| [11 views ]  Top

#1 The capital city of Harare was once known as Salisbury. Masvingo was once known as Fort Victoria. Esigodivi was once known as Essexvale. Chinoy was once know as Sinoia.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-12-23 02:11||   2019-12-23 02:11|| Front Page Top

#2 SCOTUS approved. They denied the case where in states were losing representation though had more 'citizens' than the states receiving representation. Another piece of crap from our aristocracy. Simple things like "We, the People of the United States,.." not "We are the world.." evade them.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-12-23 07:12||   2019-12-23 07:12|| Front Page Top

#3 When Texas flips it's over for us and they're working hard on it. Hope I don't live to see the day.
Posted by jpal 2019-12-23 09:14||   2019-12-23 09:14|| Front Page Top

#4 Finish that wall.
Move to points-based immigration.
End the H1B scam.

Get busy. It's later than you think
Posted by Lex 2019-12-23 10:56||   2019-12-23 10:56|| Front Page Top

#5 End the H1B scam.

Reform the universities first.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-23 10:59||   2019-12-23 10:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Don't need a 4-year university degree to do the kind of coding that ~80% of software engineering jobs require. 2 years of focused training (with some advanced math) a community college should be enough for a young native-born American to land an entry-level job in software engineering. Corporations should be coaxed/forced to provide the training to their employees from that point forward instead of grabbing foreign-born engineers who've been educated at other nations' expense.

Maybe foreign PhDs can be allowed to get visas, but certainly not anyone with just a bachelor' degree. Those jobs should go to native-burn Americans.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-23 11:18||   2019-12-23 11:18|| Front Page Top

#7 *native-born
Posted by Lex 2019-12-23 11:18||   2019-12-23 11:18|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 You rise several complex issues Lex.

Now, I'll admit that my experiences are academic. But, I believe, there is an overlap when it comes to creativity & originality.

a. In my experience, people who take degrees in programming are not very good at it - programming is something that you have to learn on your own*
b. USA has a horrible educational system - I know because in my lifetime Israel started copying it.
b1. It overemphasizes formal achievement in K-12/undergraduate level**.
b2. The teachers are below average and they promote students most like them, while punishing all who ask uncomfortable questions (and since an average K-12 teacher knows nothing - they just rote memorized material) all really intelligent questions are source of discomfort.
b3 I haven't mentioned all the PC bull that teachers continuously spout at students causing the more intelligent/better read ones be disgusted with school.
c. As a result American, and lately Israeli, universities full of "brilliant" straight A students who no more capable of doing original research (and, IMO, ditto original programming) than they capable of flying by flapping their arms.

*I've noticed what most Israeli startups founded by physics/math graduates - not programmers.

**Really intelligent/creative people mature more slowly and like to play. They also tend to be monomaniacs (who go after the current interest to the exclusion of anything else) which affects grade averages.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-23 12:08||   2019-12-23 12:08|| Front Page Top

#9 ...don't forget that in the 60s, higher ed became one big paper mill for credentialing expanding into venues increase revenue and raise salaries. See - Griggs v. Duke Power Co.

Cover your ass with paper became a gold mine for professional education institutions.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-12-23 12:47||   2019-12-23 12:47|| Front Page Top

#10 100% agree w/ all your points, grom. You know whereof you speak.

The Israeli entrepreneurs I've worked most closely with had, respectively, a PhD in Physics (along with a BA in Philosophy) and a BA in both Math and Philosophy.

The third guy on the team was a socially-awkward, extremely nearsighted, absolutely brilliant programmer who could master almost any coding challenge you could throw at him.

IMO these are the types of people who add 90% of the value in a tech company. Everyone else needs only to be competent, collegial and conscientious.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-23 12:53||   2019-12-23 12:53|| Front Page Top

#11 The biggest driver of this downward spiral was probably the turn away from corporate training programs.

When companies stopped investing in 2-year (or longer) formal training rotations, they also began to prioritize credentials, including (especially) MBAs and the related pursuits of financial engineering and PowerPoint-slinging.

Maybe there should be tax breaks for corporations that hire and train young native-born Americans in useful skills.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-23 12:57||   2019-12-23 12:57|| Front Page Top

#12 #9 For some reason they never apply such criteria to say, NBA.

#10 I wish I was wrong.

#11 Maybe there should be tax breaks for corporations that hire and train young native-born Americans in useful skills.

That would work. Also if universities started actually failing people.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-23 13:20||   2019-12-23 13:20|| Front Page Top

#13 including (especially) MBAs

I once spoke with a guy who used to be the CEO of Israeli Military Industries. Among other things he said "in my time, Security has standing orders to escort any MBA - politely but firmly, from the premises".
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-23 13:25||   2019-12-23 13:25|| Front Page Top

#14 Actually making Green Cards easier to get and removing H1Bs would go a long long way in solving the tech job problem for US Workers.
Why?
H1Bs are a form of indentured servitude. Look at the rules if you don't want to believe me.
Posted by 3dc 2019-12-23 18:47||   2019-12-23 18:47|| Front Page Top

#15 
I was told the only reason so many international companies like to have Indians as region/chief bosses is they know how to get other Indians to work.

What grom said ; Really intelligent/creative people mature more slowly and like to play.

Really true. I used to wish schools were not built around the assembly line, regimented, systematized factory model. But then I realized it was part of the challenge, to grow in those classes retaining your individuality, go through exams and training with your internal compass intact, often hiding your true persona from the weak, the plodding and the conniving masses.

Again, we're lucky western mores reach rather late here. And the historic ideology around schooling and the 'goddess of knowledge' embedded in the Indian psyche is unassailable by SJWs for another century. But they're trying. And our own affirmative action is ensuring absolute imbeciles make it into institutes and get hired by multinationals, much to the chagrin of their foreign counterparts.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-23 19:08||   2019-12-23 19:08|| Front Page Top

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