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2021-03-16 Science & Technology
Germany, France, Italy and Spain halt use of AstraZeneca vaccine
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Posted by Besoeker 2021-03-16 01:18|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top

#1 So, let's see, risk of health problems after getting a vaccine or a 99.98% survival rate from the virus itself and no vaccine? Hmmmm.
Posted by Clem 2021-03-16 06:13||   2021-03-16 06:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Oh but you MUST get your killer "vaccine" so that you can get your"Travel Health Passport", so that you can pretend you are in a FREE country in the FREE world.
Posted by Spenter Flolump8172 2021-03-16 06:47||   2021-03-16 06:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Physical therapist, 28, working at a senior living facility in Indiana dies two days after getting the COVID-19 vaccine ,- From the Daily Mail UK - TODAY - where is the USA Reporting - Huh ?

Posted by Slinetle Omuns1950 2021-03-16 07:02||   2021-03-16 07:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Isn't this the vaccine from a Rant post a day or two back that the Euros were claiming the Americans weren't releasing even though its just stockpiled?
Posted by Procopius2k 2021-03-16 07:09||   2021-03-16 07:09|| Front Page Top

#5 Italy launches manslaughter probe into death of teacher, 57, who died a day after being given AstraZeneca vaccine as country re-enters lockdown and EU turns its back on the jab

Another Brick in the Wall
Posted by Slinetle Omuns1950 2021-03-16 07:14||   2021-03-16 07:14|| Front Page Top

#6 Notice the complete lack of context in the fear-mongering. How many doses have been administered? How many supposed side effects have been reported?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2021-03-16 09:45||   2021-03-16 09:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Update on the safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

A careful review of all available safety data of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union (EU) and UK with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or thrombocytopenia, in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country.

So far across the EU and UK, there have been 15 events of DVT and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported among those given the vaccine, based on the number of cases the Company has received as of 8 March. This is much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size and is similar across other licensed COVID-19 vaccines. The monthly safety report will be made public on the European Medicines Agency website in the following week, in line with exceptional transparency measures for COVID-19.

37/17,000,000 = 0.00000218

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 10:06||   2021-03-16 10:06|| Front Page Top

#8 So the vaccine is 99.9998% safe. So I'd worry a lot less about the vaccine than the virus.

AND -- ask yourself, why are they trying to scare people OUT of getting vaccinated?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2021-03-16 10:48||   2021-03-16 10:48|| Front Page Top

#9 ^Humans are evolutionarily programed to seek status (in nature, high status individuals have more offspring - so we all are descendants of status seekers) by any means whatsoever. In social media age, any cause will do as long as it garners followers.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 10:56||   2021-03-16 10:56|| Front Page Top

#10 So the vaccine is 99.9998% safe. So I'd worry a lot less about the vaccine than the virus.

If people were dropping dead at horror movie levels, this wouldn't even be an issue.
Posted by swksvolFF 2021-03-16 11:24||   2021-03-16 11:24|| Front Page Top

#11 99.98% survival rate from the virus itself and no vaccine?

In my age group this is the survival rate *without* any vaccine.
Posted by Angstrom 2021-03-16 12:08||   2021-03-16 12:08|| Front Page Top

#12 The vaccine is a personal choice. Take it or don't, and be responsible for what happens to you after. The CDC, US government and big Pharma have a century long history of being less than transparent to the public. This vaccine was not tested per the standard protocols for this new RNA type drug. we do not know the long term effects. We do not know if it is effective, and if it is for how long it will work. People are nervous because it was rushed to market by three firms looking for profits, so to the point, our USG waived them of any liability for side effects to including the drug not working to killing you. So you ask why people are afraid of this??? It because they are using their brains and weighing the risks. Remember the CDC said agent orange was safe, there was no Gulf war syndrome, Anthrax shots were safe, and all of these were in our life time... I listened once, 15 years ago, was told the sickness was unrelated and it was in my head, until ten years later when they admitted I was poisoned by a vaccine. The line of the deaths are unrelated ring true to all associated with Agent orange, Gulf syndrome, and the recent Anthrax issues. Now this one. But like I said at the start, its a personal choice, and fuck anyone that wants to shame someone else into taking it.
Posted by 49 Pan 2021-03-16 12:10||   2021-03-16 12:10|| Front Page Top

#13 /\ Thanks to gov't and CDC intervention, the death rates from pneumonia and influenza (flu) have dwindled to nearly single digits nationally.

Perhaps you too have noticed the recent decline.

[sarc off]
Posted by Besoeker 2021-03-16 12:18||   2021-03-16 12:18|| Front Page Top

#14 Damn B. Until I saw the snark I wondered who stole your name!
Posted by 49 Pan 2021-03-16 12:19||   2021-03-16 12:19|| Front Page Top

#15 Regardless of what's actually happening, the one thing that is certain is that we're living through an epidemic of hysteria, stoked by official obfuscation, half-truths and lies.

There's next to nothing printed or spoken these days by our state media that we can take at face value.

# of deaths due to COVID, George Floyd's cause of death, Officer Sicknick's cause of death, "insurrection" vs "peaceful protest," "white supremacists in the military," Russian collusion... mountains of bullshit, lies upon lies
Posted by Unomogum Floger5292 2021-03-16 12:28||   2021-03-16 12:28|| Front Page Top

#16 /\ There's next to nothing printed or spoken these days by our state media that we can take at face value.

Been trending that way for quite some time.
Posted by Besoeker 2021-03-16 12:32||   2021-03-16 12:32|| Front Page Top

#17 we do not know the long term effects.

We don't know the long term effects of covid either. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I got my second shot a week ago. The first day after was bit rough but I feel fine now.

I would agree, though, that it's up to you to weigh the risks and make your own decision.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-03-16 13:52||   2021-03-16 13:52|| Front Page Top

#18 I might add that I didn't rush to be the first one on my block to get it. I waited to see how others were doing. I did not see anybody dropping dead. But if they tried to give me AstraZeneca after I heard these stories I'd still be waiting.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-03-16 13:57||   2021-03-16 13:57|| Front Page Top

#19 Ref. #13 - pneumonia is not declining, but flu is ridiculously low. Last Jan. about 450 flu deaths per week. This Jan. about 30-40. (Last March closer to 650 per week).

Pneumonia is often mixed in with COVID, so you have to do some math to get the number of 'only pneumonia deaths', but it's about 3,000 a week, this January and 4,000 a week last January. CDC data.
Posted by Bobby 2021-03-16 14:32||   2021-03-16 14:32|| Front Page Top

#20  Isn't this the vaccine from a Rant post a day or two back that the Euros were claiming the Americans weren't releasing even though its just stockpiled?

Yes. This vaccine has not been approved for use in the U.S. because AstraZeneca has not submitted the data to the FDA.

This vaccine was not tested per the standard protocols for this new RNA type drug.

True. Unlike the three vaccines available for use in the U.S., which were indeed tested in accordance with standard FDA protocols.

It’s very odd that we haven’t seen clotting issues in England, which has been madly vaccinating with this stuff since early January. India ditto. On the other hand, we have seen serious clotting problems among people who’ve fallen ill with Covid. Another thing to weigh in the balance.
Posted by trailing wife 2021-03-16 14:48||   2021-03-16 14:48|| Front Page Top

#21 flu is ridiculously low

Annual flu deaths are calculated as the difference between an estimated annual baseline for all cause mortality and actual total mortality. In other words, it's not something we measure. We just attribute all the 'extra' deaths to flu. The reason that number is so low right now is that these are all being counted as COVID instead.
Posted by Angstrom 2021-03-16 14:53||   2021-03-16 14:53|| Front Page Top

#22 Do NOT mix the subjects. This is specific to the AZ vaccine. It does not apply to the primary one in the US by Pfizer, nor the second one by Moderna. Stop conflating them trying to be stupidly antivax.
Posted by Greater the Anonymous5721 2021-03-16 16:19||   2021-03-16 16:19|| Front Page Top

#23 TW, the testing was abbreviated, the testing subjects levels were limited in size. They were waived from most of the preexisting condition testing, and from any long term control group testing. I get it that this this was going crazy and they needed to get it out as death rates were out of control, risk vs reward here. Then the treatments for this disease was limited and politicized to the point there was not an effective treatment allowed by the USG, even though there were treatment that proved very successful. But those treatments were stopped by the CDC causing question to their motives. With all that said, if you choose to take the vaccine please look at the known side effects, heart swelling, brain and thyroid swelling. And there are some other issues. If you have some preexisting conditions, TBI's heart or liver issues please do the research past the normal media so you know the known risks. I'm reading in the press about the blood clotting issues, but I thought, from my research, the blood clotting only comes from a single preexisting clotting issue. I would never tell someone what to put in their body, its none of my business, but making an informed decision and not listening to the media and the CDC talking points is paramount.
Posted by 49 Pan 2021-03-16 16:19||   2021-03-16 16:19|| Front Page Top

#24 @ #11 - Precisely my point.

@ #13 - It's the masks, Besoeker, it's the masks! /sarc
Posted by Clem 2021-03-16 16:44||   2021-03-16 16:44|| Front Page Top

#25 Risk of clotting from AZN vaccine is no greater than for the general population w/out the vaccine.
Posted by Titus tse Tung9670 2021-03-16 16:59||   2021-03-16 16:59|| Front Page Top

#26  If you have some preexisting conditions, TBI's heart or liver issues

While I do have pre-existing conditions, I don’t have any of those problems, 49 Pan, truly. Of more concern is that I am somewhat immunocompromised, so getting vaccinated is far preferable for me than playing the odds that I wouldn’t get a bad case like Fred did. And given that my 95 year old mother came through vaccination without any issues, genetically speaking the odds become pretty good that I’ll be fine, too.
Posted by trailing wife 2021-03-16 17:57||   2021-03-16 17:57|| Front Page Top

#27 Sarconthenoff Syndrome

Yes, but are you ready for this side affect ?







The unlimate reaction to Sarconthenoff Syndrome.

Ooouuh, looks so scary...
Posted by Elma Fine Grunge2398 2021-03-16 18:43||   2021-03-16 18:43|| Front Page Top

#28 Us that a... furry?
Posted by Marilyn Johnson2137 2021-03-16 18:52||   2021-03-16 18:52|| Front Page Top

#29 
Just Go with the Flow

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