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2021-12-18 International-UN-NGOs
Russia demands NATO leave eastern Europe, limit missile deployment
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Posted by trailing wife 2021-12-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ]  Top

#1 And why not? The Russians dissolved the Warsaw Pact and withdrew their troops just like they promised.

There is no way that admitting Ukraine to NATO is a good idea. It is literally a provocation to war. Who would like to have a big shooting war with a nuclear power? When the generals in charge are the same geniuses who couldn't beat Afghanistan even with $2 trillion and twenty years to get the job done? How much will this new war cost?
Posted by Clulet Splat5443 2021-12-18 00:48||   2021-12-18 00:48|| Front Page Top

#2 We lied to the Russians.

We humiliated Gorbachev and then Yeltsin, and plunged the Russian public into ten years of misery and chaos as their country was stolen from them by a kakocracy of bandits (sound familiar, mah fellow Americans?)

We should have the decency and good sense to grab this proposal and run with it. NATO is a useless burden for us and a drag on resources that ought to be deployed to the Pacific and to our southern border.

Ukraine should be a neutral and demilitarized border country as Austria or Finland were (provided that the Russian-speaking parts get real autonomy and independence from Kyiv).
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-18 05:17||   2021-12-18 05:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Prob should invite NATO in.
That would stun and overwhelm all the players.
Likely take 10 years of planning to engage.
Posted by Skidmark 2021-12-18 09:04||   2021-12-18 09:04|| Front Page Top

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