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2022-04-14 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Putin's 79 dimensional chess continues. In his latest tactical masterpiece he's lost a naval flagship to a country without a navy
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Posted by Fred 2022-04-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ]  Top
 File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life, & Kleptocrats 

#1 Given Russia's historically bad ability to carry weapons on ships and not have them blow up, I kinda have to think this is truly an accident.

But considering this was the ship that the Snake Island garrison told to go fuck themselves... it is karma like and funny as hell.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-04-14 00:04||   2022-04-14 00:04|| Front Page Top

#2 (Wikipedia) Neptune (Ukrainian: Р-360 «Нептун», romanized: R-360 "Neptun") is a Ukrainian anti-ship cruise missile developed by Luch Design Bureau.
Neptune's design is based on the Soviet Kh-35 anti-ship missile, with substantially improved range and electronics. The system is designed to defeat surface warships and transport vessels with a displacement of up to 12,490 tons, either in convoys or moving individually.

The system entered service with the Ukrainian Navy in March 2021.
Posted by Clusosh Floluter6074 2022-04-14 00:31||   2022-04-14 00:31|| Front Page Top

#3 ^-- looks like it passed the test.
Posted by CrazyFool 2022-04-14 00:33||   2022-04-14 00:33|| Front Page Top

#4 Oops.....bet they drew straws to see who got to tell Rasputin er I mean Putin.
Posted by Silentbrick 2022-04-14 04:46||   2022-04-14 04:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Uh-oh, Ukraine's in trouble now. [Pacific Fleet sets sail]
Posted by Blossom Snusomp5491 2022-04-14 04:50||   2022-04-14 04:50|| Front Page Top

#6 Russian say there has been no official word from the Ukrainian ministry of defense about the Moskva.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 05:18||   2022-04-14 05:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Rumor is the Moskva was scuttled.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 05:25||   2022-04-14 05:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Rumor is two volleys of two missiles each were fired by the Ukrainians. The first volley was defeated electronically.

One of the two missiles of the second volley hit a loaded missile launcher cannister with a 1,000 pound warhead. The Moskva did not have a modern fire extinguishing system.

The rest is predictable.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 06:10||   2022-04-14 06:10|| Front Page Top

#9 According to Andrey Chervonets:

The Russian Ministry of Defense says:

- The source of ignition on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized.
- There is no open burning.
- Explosions of ammunition are stopped.
- Cruiser "Moskva" retains afloat.
- The main missile weapons were not damaged
- The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
- Currently, measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.

Prolly more forthcoming from Boris Rozhin soon.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 06:16||   2022-04-14 06:16|| Front Page Top

#10 here comes our fleet of anonymous trolls: "Tis but a scratch!"
Posted by Frank G 2022-04-14 06:18||   2022-04-14 06:18|| Front Page Top

#11 ...And to top off a Very Bad Day for the crew of the Moskva:

You all want to know the kicker for this?

Now the crew of the Moskva gets to be infantry replacements in Mariupol.

No, I'm not joking.

Putin is putting ashore Black Sea ship crews to fight as infantry like its WW2.
1/

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-04-14 06:20||   2022-04-14 06:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Russian Navy is one of the few modern navies that continues the practice of using ship crews as infantry in fleet missions.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 06:45||   2022-04-14 06:45|| Front Page Top

#13 From a commenter at V Kontakte:

Turkish media write about the cruiser that it hit a mine, which was pushed onto it due to a storm. A fire started, and the fire-fighting system on the 1970 cruiser and the fire reached the ammunition load, which exploded.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 06:53||   2022-04-14 06:53|| Front Page Top

#14 A modern antiship missile would have snapped them Moskva's keel in two, sending it immediately to the bottom.

Increasingly likely it was struck by a mine.
Posted by badanov 2022-04-14 06:56||   2022-04-14 06:56|| Front Page Top

#15  Article published before the sinking discussing the air denial protection the fleet was supplying. With this ship's destruction Russian air denial in southern Ukraine gets iffy
Posted by 3dc 2022-04-14 07:21||   2022-04-14 07:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Also this article is good Reconsidering Russian Maritime Warfare
Posted by 3dc 2022-04-14 07:41||   2022-04-14 07:41|| Front Page Top

#17 Is there one designated guy who breaks news like this to Putin, or do they just slip an envelope under his door?
Posted by Matt 2022-04-14 07:55||   2022-04-14 07:55|| Front Page Top

#18 But considering this was the ship that the Snake Island garrison told to go fuck themselves...

This is the story the nets are selling. However...
The Snake Island ship was Vasily Bykov, a large patrol corvette. I noticed when the stamp first came out, the pictured ship was *not* Vasily Bykov, but of a different class.

Vasily Bykov pic - note the deck gun and lack of missile tubes that Moskva, being a missile cruiser has.

For the time being, I'm going with badanov's mine theory or an ammo explosion.
Posted by SteveS 2022-04-14 08:03||   2022-04-14 08:03|| Front Page Top

#19 If it didn’t sink it’s got a cluster of other distracted ships around it that should be a target of opportunity. I’m leaning towards a mine as well based on initial damage reports and the sequence of events as conflicting as they are.
Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2022-04-14 08:59||   2022-04-14 08:59|| Front Page Top

#20 Ukraine DID take out Putin's sitting duck naval flagship: Kyiv says it hit Moskva cruiser with missile after bungling Russian admirals let it sail around Black Sea within range amid claims of 'hundreds' of casualties onboard
Posted by Skidmark 2022-04-14 09:03||   2022-04-14 09:03|| Front Page Top

#21 'Andrei... you lost another warship?'
Posted by Raj 2022-04-14 10:10||   2022-04-14 10:10|| Front Page Top

#22 A modern antiship missile would have snapped them Moskva's keel in two, sending it immediately to the bottom.

Well, if it hit an armored box launcher and exploded there it could have done a lot of damage without destroying the structural components below the waterline.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-04-14 10:10||   2022-04-14 10:10|| Front Page Top

#23 There goes the air cover.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-04-14 10:59||   2022-04-14 10:59|| Front Page Top

#24 Good, blow yourselves up or be missile targets, I don’t care. Putin is our enemy. Put a hurt on him whenever you can. I
Posted by Xyz 2022-04-14 11:30||   2022-04-14 11:30|| Front Page Top

#25 The mine is more likely to snap the keel with an underwater blast. I have seen two ship fires, it would be hard to believe that the ship was evacuated for towing without a bunch of dead guys. She is gas turbine powered so it is possible to turn the key off and leave. Not sure why you would abandon ship unless she was actively afire. If she is actively burning and loaded with ammo, I wouldn’t want to be the tow truck.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-04-14 11:30||   2022-04-14 11:30|| Front Page Top

#26 This twitter feed has authentic-looking diagrams of mmuniation stowage on the Moskva. Salt to taste.
Posted by Matt 2022-04-14 11:40||   2022-04-14 11:40|| Front Page Top

#27 #20 I was reading some reportage last week that the Moskva had settled in to "routine" while conducting support operations.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-04-14 12:01||   2022-04-14 12:01|| Front Page Top

#28 will there be cool pens with a ship and liquid at the top or battle ship game snow globes?
Posted by Greng Black3494 2022-04-14 12:05||   2022-04-14 12:05|| Front Page Top

#29 Lower case nazis made Putin do it.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-14 12:11||   2022-04-14 12:11|| Front Page Top

#30 Little more updated information from PJ Media.

Doesn't look like it sunk, but is definitely out of the war and given Russia's ability to drydock at the moment, Moskva will not be putting back to sea.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-04-14 12:32||   2022-04-14 12:32|| Front Page Top

#31 bad for Russia but will have minimal effect on the landside conflict
Posted by Lord Garth 2022-04-14 15:21||   2022-04-14 15:21|| Front Page Top

#32 Certainly good for a laugh. But when has Ivan been concerned about casualties or losses of equipment? In WWII they had NKVD battalions following forward troops and if they didn't keep the time table it was curtains. In WWI Imperial Russian officers were forbidden by custom and law to take cover under fire.

Look what the Finns did to them and on the cheap at that. I don't know, perhaps Borodino? or maybe not. The way they think seems to be the essence of it's not over until it's over.
Posted by Cesare 2022-04-14 15:56||   2022-04-14 15:56|| Front Page Top

#33 I could see Joe going all Lend Lease if not for the fact he the DC swamp is all in for Ukraine.

It's too bad, we have some LCS that the Navy doesn't want anymore and a few clapped-out cruisers we are de-commissioning.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-14 15:59||   2022-04-14 15:59|| Front Page Top

#34 Sunk.
Posted by Matt 2022-04-14 16:12||   2022-04-14 16:12|| Front Page Top

#35 A scary ship in its day. Those missile launchers were huge and intimidating. Evidently they were also very flammable. The above the superstructure looked to be burning like the sun throughout the night vision video that I saw. I have no idea how they could have evacuated other than diving over the side.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-04-14 16:24||   2022-04-14 16:24|| Front Page Top

#36 Maybe Jared from Adventures With A Purpose can refloat it.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-04-14 16:26||   2022-04-14 16:26|| Front Page Top

#37 Isn't there some EU environmental body that should be complaining about now?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-14 16:31||   2022-04-14 16:31|| Front Page Top

#38 "She's forgotten more than lots of politicians know..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-14 16:31||   2022-04-14 16:31|| Front Page Top

#39 ^Oops, wrong thread...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-14 16:32||   2022-04-14 16:32|| Front Page Top

#40 State owned Russian media now reporting that Moskva has now sunk.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-04-14 16:48||   2022-04-14 16:48|| Front Page Top

#41  Where are all our Putin suck ass boys? Embarrassed by the sinking of your top ship?

Russia is finished as a power. Not a great power, a power.

What has Russia ever produced except misery for her own people and her neighbors?
Well, they have succeeded in getting some right wing nuts in the USA to side with them.
Posted by Flater Forkbeard8651 2022-04-14 17:23||   2022-04-14 17:23|| Front Page Top

#42 I would hate to be that admiral.
Posted by Chris 2022-04-14 17:34||   2022-04-14 17:34|| Front Page Top

#43 Good news Vlad, Moskva is no longer burning.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-04-14 18:07||   2022-04-14 18:07|| Front Page Top

#44 Troll Forkbeard. We (most of us) are happy it was sunk. You suck at personal interaction interpretations. Probably a personality flaw - genetic?
Posted by Frank G 2022-04-14 19:34||   2022-04-14 19:34|| Front Page Top

#45 Might be stamp collectors are right there with vegans?
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-04-14 20:27||   2022-04-14 20:27|| Front Page Top

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