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2023-09-24 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Active Duty German Soldier (allegedly) Captured Driving Leopard Tank (48 Hour Rule)
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Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2023-09-24 07:37|| || Front Page|| [19 views ]  Top

#1 The tank's driver died from wounds minutes after he was found despite efforts to save him.

How... convenient
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 11:36||   2023-09-24 11:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Even the current German Gov wouldn't be that stupid - would they?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 12:24||   2023-09-24 12:24|| Front Page Top

#3 I hope this is false RU reporting, but I fear it is not.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-09-24 12:26||   2023-09-24 12:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Germans? Not even remotely likely. Polish? More likely.

But this is a Russian propaganda site that spews crap like this that is mostly consumed in Russia so I am not giving it any weight.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 12:31||   2023-09-24 12:31|| Front Page Top

#5 ^But not actual Bundeswehr soldiers, Visitor. I mean, even Polaks are smart enough to have their soldiers in Ukraine pretend to be mercs.

On the other hand, given the latest gem from Ursula von der Leyen ...

For some reason, I'm reminded of this old song
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 12:35||   2023-09-24 12:35|| Front Page Top

#6 "We're correspondents. From the Daily Mail.
But you're driving a tank.
We're well-armed correspondents."

I would be unsurprised if NATO troops started showing up in Ukraine, whether deployed, as mercenaries, or just on vacation. We can supply more money and equipment, but not more Ukrainians.





Posted by SteveS 2023-09-24 12:37||   2023-09-24 12:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, teefa has "medics" and "press" who are really good at throwing bricks.

Just sayin'...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 12:40||   2023-09-24 12:40|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 Who do you think operates HIMARs, long range UAVs & Storm Shadows - Ukrainians (who beg for old Soviet equipment)?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 13:23||   2023-09-24 13:23|| Front Page Top

#9 That has been very well debunked as Russian propaganda. There have been many verified NATO and US instructors that have been shown training the Ukrainians on all this equipment and videos of Ukrainian soldiers operating them in the field and during battle.

And they are asking for modern weapons, not old Soviet garbage.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 15:20||   2023-09-24 15:20|| Front Page Top

#10 ^Anakin, I despire of you.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 15:23||   2023-09-24 15:23|| Front Page Top

#11 Despire is not a word, just as Western Mil personnel have not been verified in combat by authorization. Reflect on that.
Posted by Frank G 2023-09-24 15:34||   2023-09-24 15:34|| Front Page Top

#12 Where's the fake passport?
Posted by European Conservative 2023-09-24 15:41||   2023-09-24 15:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Was the time "a nation of laws not men" was the gold standard. Now it's a bunch of nations of dishonorable men breaking every law in sight.

Remember when lefties screeched about the AUMF?

Good times...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 15:41||   2023-09-24 15:41|| Front Page Top

#14 Question: Once the laws are being broken by both sides left and right, what constitutes a war crime?

Bueller? Anyone?
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 15:44||   2023-09-24 15:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Video of event
Posted by Dale 2023-09-24 16:22||   2023-09-24 16:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Except that is a splice of several videos, including the Leopard that was hit during the first drive by mines then finished off by artillery way back in July. No video of Germans, to pictures of authenticated documents, just drone footage of strikes and an older destruction.

Nice try Dale.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 16:57||   2023-09-24 16:57|| Front Page Top

#17 Anakin, I despire of you.

Despite or despair?

Hey, if they present evidence that is verified by 3rd parties they got Germans, I'll fully say you where right.

Until then, this goes into the bucket of bullshit.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 17:00||   2023-09-24 17:00|| Front Page Top

#18 Despire is not a word

It is on Tatooine.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 17:04||   2023-09-24 17:04|| Front Page Top

#19 #17 Until then, this goes into the bucket of bullshit.

Have it your way.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 17:06||   2023-09-24 17:06|| Front Page Top

#20 Kiev suffering heavy armor losses on Zaporozhye front – WaPo

Russian military has adapted to battlefield – WSJ
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 17:09||   2023-09-24 17:09|| Front Page Top

#21 The race to be wrongest firstest.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 17:10||   2023-09-24 17:10|| Front Page Top

#22 Murcek #14 - the winner decides
Posted by Griter Slash1619 2023-09-24 17:16||   2023-09-24 17:16|| Front Page Top

#23 Really Grom? Both of those link back to RT which is more Russian bullshit.

As for Murcek's comment, isn't that the fucking truth? Whether it is state lies, MSM fuckery or just plain bad reporting there is waaaaaay to much bullshit out there. I like to see it verified through geolocated video/GPS/Cell and/or confirmed by a third party. It is a slugfest and one Russia is slowly losing... for now. Long range weapons against C2 locations, supply interdiction and artillery suppression seems to be doing the job for Ukraine. But all it takes is the west to lose interest/hope and cut off aid and Russia will grind their way through Ukraine. Quite simply, that is where we are at.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 17:18||   2023-09-24 17:18|| Front Page Top

#24 #23 You can find the original articles. Just select the title & google.
And the point isn't WaPo & WSJ are more reliable then RT* - they aren't. Not by a long margin. The point is, the War is loosing support among its most enthusiastic cheerleaders.

*Russian press still has some sense of proportion, western lost it long time ago - true believers, dontcha know?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 17:31||   2023-09-24 17:31|| Front Page Top

#25 Making others search your reference articles? Why did you leave before?

Ohhh... I remember
Posted by Frank G 2023-09-24 17:36||   2023-09-24 17:36|| Front Page Top

#26 "Our source was the New York Times!"

- Russian Amb. Alexi de Sadesky, Dr. Strangelove
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 17:49||   2023-09-24 17:49|| Front Page Top

#27 I repeat And the point isn't WaPo & WSJ are more reliable then RT* - they aren't. Not by a long margin.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-24 17:58||   2023-09-24 17:58|| Front Page Top

#28 I saw the story yesterday in RIA Novosti, but I didn't curate it for Rantburg, because then I considered it a nothing burger.

Just another set of dead NATO mercenaries.
Posted by badanov 2023-09-24 18:10||   2023-09-24 18:10|| Front Page Top

#29 What is the spin on this going to be?
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 19:12||   2023-09-24 19:12|| Front Page Top

#30 ^ They've already apologized.
Posted by badanov 2023-09-24 19:16||   2023-09-24 19:16|| Front Page Top

#31 ^ Which is all a rational person could ask for. Of course, that's not how cancel culture works.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-24 19:19||   2023-09-24 19:19|| Front Page Top

#32 if despire is not a word, it should be.


As for whose media source is more bullshitier, my default position is that *everybody* is trying to sell me something, using whatever skill and information resources they have at hand. They may do it by omitting important parts (the Russians) or by making things up wholesale (the Ukrainians). It may be that the interesting part is not the message, but who is saying it at this particular moment. But at the end of the day, it is not about facts, it's all about persuasion.

That aside, the Ukrainians seem a bit better than the Russians at playing the media game. This is ironic given the fUSSR's reputation for propaganda. Perhaps it is something to do with Zelensky's previous career as an actor and comedian. Or perhaps another sign that Russia is not the Soviet Union.
Posted by SteveS 2023-09-24 22:29||   2023-09-24 22:29|| Front Page Top

#33 Russians are spooked. Seeing Nazis, Storm Shadows and Oh My! under their beds.
Posted by Enver Slager8035  2023-09-24 22:53||   2023-09-24 22:53|| Front Page Top

#34 Ukrainians seem a bit better than the Russians at playing the media game

They kinda have to at this point. The Russians just flat out lie while Ukraine has to justify its output to the west so it tends to be more accurate. Agreed in the beginning it was shit as they were trying to rally their population, but now they have to keep up appearances that they are doing what they say so they HAVE to be mostly honest.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-24 23:21||   2023-09-24 23:21|| Front Page Top

#35 Dear Rantburg,

Thanks for being you. And happy Potemkin and Jim Henson's birthday! ;)
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