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2023-10-09 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Besoeker 2023-10-09 13:09|| || Front Page|| [18 views ] Top

#1 "No way this was an intelligence failure."
~ Bongino

Posted by Besoeker 2023-10-09 13:19|| 2023-10-09 13:19|| Front Page Top

#2 So, what's he saying: Israeli government deliberately allowed slaughter or 700 Israelis? To gain what - world sympathy that'll run out in 2 - 3 days?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-09 13:26|| 2023-10-09 13:26|| Front Page Top

#3 Kinda like the stories that FDR knew ahead and sacrificed Pearl Harbor to get us into the war...

Posted by Frank G 2023-10-09 13:34|| 2023-10-09 13:34|| Front Page Top

#4 I dont necessarily think that is what Bongino is saying.

I do think others are making that inference.

But the intelligence failure does raise questions.

Having gone back and re-read / gleamed over a few years of worth of articles in regards to palestinian financial aid - there was an emphasis on rebuilding Gaza and giving them economic opportunities. Economic Opportunity theme repeated itself.

I might suggest that the peace partners were so caught up in their own narrative that increasing Gaza Economic Opportunities, that Hamas would choose that win over a military win. So caught up in their narrative, that they glossed over or ignored developments on the ground - thinking their fairytale was a success. Hence Intelligence was sequestered and/or de-emphasized, that only watered down versions made it to the civilian govt. That's my #fanfiction.

Posted by mossomo 2023-10-09 14:04|| 2023-10-09 14:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Monitoring could have been 'handed off' or contracted to entities with more advanced collection capabilities.

Put that on the wall for discussion.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-10-09 14:41|| 2023-10-09 14:41|| Front Page Top

#6 "So, what's he saying: Israeli government deliberately allowed slaughter or 700 Israelis? To gain what - world sympathy that'll run out in 2 - 3 days?"

It might not be the Israeli political government itself but the Administrative State that runs the Israeli state apparatus, or even just an Intel clique that wanted to punish Nethanyahu .
But would not be something done solitary it would have USA participation.

Posted by Spomonter Speaking for Boskone8031 2023-10-09 15:22|| 2023-10-09 15:22|| Front Page Top

#7 I suspect this Administration was in a hurry to transfer the $6B because they knew this was coming and knew it would be politically impossible after.

Posted by Angstrom 2023-10-09 16:29|| 2023-10-09 16:29|| Front Page Top

#8 The Hamas attack was coordinated via written notes and couriers. It was not done electronically.

Posted by Enver Dingle4916 2023-10-09 17:59|| 2023-10-09 17:59|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ that is what the Germans did in late '44 to spring the surprise in the Ardennes aka Battle of the Bulge.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-10-09 21:26|| 2023-10-09 21:26|| Front Page Top

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