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2023-12-25 Olde Tyme Religion
Some Catholic bishops reject Pope's stance on same-sex couples
[AFRICANEWS] In an extraordinary pushback against Pope Francis
...Argentine liberation theologist, born Jorge Mario Bergoglio. He was elected pope in 2013. Rather than setting up shop in Avignon, where he belongs, the first Jesuit Pope chose to reside in the Domus Sanctae Marthae guesthouse instead of the papal apartments. He is big on climate change, against consumerism, and in favor of throwing a blanket over homosexual activity within the clergy. He's not real sure about the Resurrection, about Christ's divinity, and a few other things that would have gotten him burned at the stake a few hundred years ago, but he's hot for a certain South American Earth Mother Goddess...
, some Catholic bishops in Africa, Poland and elsewhere say they will not implement the new Vatican policy allowing blessings for same-sex couples.

Others downplayed the policy approved this week by Francis as merely reaffirming the Vatican's long-standing teaching about marriage being only a union between a man and a woman.

The reactions show how polarizing the issue remains and how Francis' decade-long effort to make the church a more welcoming place for the LGBTQ+ community continues to spark resistance among traditionalist and conservative Catholic leaders.

Some of the strongest responses came from bishops in Africa, home to 265 million Catholics, or nearly a quarter of the world's 1.3 billion Catholics. Many of those Catholics live and their churches operate in societies where homosexuality is condemned and outlawed.

Out of the continent’s 54 countries, 31 have laws criminalizing homosexuality, more than any other continent, according to the Human Dignity Trust, which defends LGBTQ+ rights.

Zambia's bishops conference said same-sex couple blessings were "not for implementation in Zambia." The bishops conference of Malawi said "blessings of any kind" for "same-sex unions of any kind" would not be permitted.

In Zambia, gay sex is punishable by between 15 years and life in prison and the law puts it in the same section as bestiality. Malawi’s laws call for up to 14 years in prison for homosexual sex, with the option of corporal punishment for those convicted.

Zambian bishops said there should be "further reflection" on the blessings and cited the country’s laws against homosexuality and its "cultural heritage" that rejects same-sex relationships as reasons for its decision.

The Polish bishops conference — among the most conservative in Europa
...the land mass occupying the space between the English Channel and the Urals, also known as Moslem Lebensraum...
and a reference point beyond the continent given its ties to St. John Paul II — said it has no plans to give blessings to same-sex couples.

Marriage, the conference asserted, remains only the union between a man and a woman, and sexual acts outside of that are "always an offense against God’s will," according to a statement by spokesperson Rev. Leszek Gęsiak.

It is unusual for an entire national bishops conference to publicly voice dissent of a Vatican policy, though the declaration from the Vatican doctrine office did not instruct bishops to allow blessings of same-sex couples but merely provided guidance on how they could be done if people requested them.

The document, entitled "Fiducia Supplicans," says that blessings can be offered to people in same-sex relationships if they are not confused with the ritual of marriage and reaffirmed that marriage is a lifelong union only between a man and a woman.

The announcement Monday by the Vatican office reversed its 2021 statement that had ruled out blessings for same-sex couples because God "cannot bless sin."

The U.S. bishops conference, seeking to downplay any shift, stressed that the church's teachings on marriage have not changed and that the announcement "articulated a distinction between liturgical (sacramental) blessings, and pastoral blessings, which may be given to persons who desire God’s loving grace in their lives," according to a statement.

Some of the more piqued opposition came from Francis' usual critics.

German Cardinal Gerhard Muller, who previously headed the Vatican doctrine office, said the declaration was "self-contradictory" as it still said same-sex relationships were contrary to God's law while allowing same-sex couples to receive a blessing.

Posted by Fred 2023-12-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [24 views ]  Top

#1 
How many in the Catholic priesthood and its version of a political bureaucracy are closet GAY's themselves?

However, how many are willing to force him to step down and disrupt the Vatican comfortable apple cart they control and abuse, is also a good question?

eg: ... Catholics in Atlanta question Archbishop Wilton Gregory building a $2.2 million residence for himself.


Posted by NN2N1 2023-12-25 06:55||   2023-12-25 06:55|| Front Page Top

#2 His time is running out on this Earth
Posted by Frank G 2023-12-25 07:08||   2023-12-25 07:08|| Front Page Top

#3 ^Dising the boss* relatives is bad carrier move.

*I mean Simon the Fisherman.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-25 07:19||   2023-12-25 07:19|| Front Page Top

#4 Imagine if all that energy was directed to something like,...I don't know. Climate Change?
Posted by Skidmark 2023-12-25 07:29||   2023-12-25 07:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Leonard, how did Lutheranism come about ?
Posted by Besoeker 2023-12-25 07:32||   2023-12-25 07:32|| Front Page Top

#6 Raised (and baptised) in Missouri Synod church. A bit too austere for me these days. But I learned good lessons about how my personal relationship with The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit have no room for some car lot middleman.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 07:35||   2023-12-25 07:35|| Front Page Top

#7 OK, you bishops, here's the problem: If you are bishops of the RC church, you MUST believe that the Pope is the visible head of the church on earth, and you MUST believe that the church's magisterium (teaching authority) rests in him. You MUST.

Otherwise you are now Protestants.
Posted by Tom 2023-12-25 08:14||   2023-12-25 08:14|| Front Page Top

#8 I've always been a DIY sort of guy...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 08:24||   2023-12-25 08:24|| Front Page Top

#9 /\ My memory sometimes fails me, but formal region didn't do much for this young fellow as I recall.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-12-25 08:30||   2023-12-25 08:30|| Front Page Top

#10 ^ Amen
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 08:33||   2023-12-25 08:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Pope fired our Bishop for that.
Posted by Glenmore  2023-12-25 09:16||   2023-12-25 09:16|| Front Page Top

#12 You are in the wrong church, then. Hard to accept if it's a lifelong thing, but you must accept it anyway...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 09:18||   2023-12-25 09:18|| Front Page Top

#13 I wonder if this apostate is not long for this physical world.

(Allow me to say "good riddance" in advance of such a demise.)
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-12-25 09:19||   2023-12-25 09:19|| Front Page Top

#14 
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 09:27||   2023-12-25 09:27|| Front Page Top

#15 To my understanding, The Pope is first among equals although the Vatican has some power over who gets to be a bishop and who gets removed. St Nicholas was removed as a bishop and restored by a higher power. This will be sorted out at a level higher than The Vatican as it always is. Strickland was removed, Chaput was retired, but in the end only one vote counts. Church figures need to fear God’s opinion as the son’s of Eli found out.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-12-25 09:36||   2023-12-25 09:36|| Front Page Top

#16 If I'm not Catholic it's all garbage to me.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-25 09:43||   2023-12-25 09:43|| Front Page Top

#17 The St Nicholas story is better than you think.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-12-25 09:52||   2023-12-25 09:52|| Front Page Top

#18 but,but,but your boss is infallible concerning faith and morals. it says so in his contract.
Posted by irish rage boy 2023-12-25 13:52||   2023-12-25 13:52|| Front Page Top

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