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Africa Horn
Somalia: Top UN envoy appeals for release of hostages
(AKI) - The top United Nations envoy to Somalia on Friday called for hostages being held in the war-ravaged Horn of Africa nation to be freed immediately as a sign of good will during a Muslim holiday. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the Secretary-General's Special Representative said releasing the hostages would improve Somalia's image and "show that its people deserve respect and confidence."

"On the eve of Eid al-Adha, a period of forgiveness, I appeal to all Somalis to help ensure that those hostages being held, both Somalis and foreigners, are allowed to enjoy their freedom and to return home safe and sound," Ould-Abdallah said.

Four foreign journalists and two Italian Catholic nuns are amongst those being held.

Journalists and foreign aid workers have increasingly become targets for kidnap and murder this year, mainly in south and central Somalia where Islamist insurgents (photo) are waging a bloody conflict against the government.

Ould-Abdallah said he was especially concerned for the two nuns, who were kidnapped in neighbouring Kenya in November and taken across the border. "They should be allowed to return home immediately and I do not see any excuse for holding them any longer," he said.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts

#1  called for hostages being held in the war-ravaged Horn of Africa nation to be freed immediately as a sign of good will during a Muslim holiday. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah

Appealing for good will to fellow Muslims? You've been too long away from your roots, Ahmedou.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/06/2008 3:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Nobody kidnaps Catholic Nuns. Even in the worst El Salvadorian slums Catholic nuns can travel on foot at night unmolested.
These guys really are cockroaches. Somalia must be what the world would look like if the mooks ran it.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/06/2008 8:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Could you please let the hostgages go?
No!
Dammit, I tried so hard.
Manolo! The Henneseys! Chop chop!
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/06/2008 19:37 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
FBI helps bring remains of Somali suicide bomber back to US; given Muslim burial
I'm shaking my head in disbelief.
Posted by: ed || 12/06/2008 10:30 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Makes sense only if they photographed, for future reference, everyone at the funeral ...
Posted by: Steve White || 12/06/2008 11:15 Comments || Top||

#2  “Honestly I look at him seriously as a victim and not as a criminal, I think of him as a young victim," says Jamal....


Words fail....
Posted by: john frum || 12/06/2008 11:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Certainly the Department of Homeland Security, the TSA, knows if these
men left the country and will be able to stop them when they return.
But, I worry about something else, what if they never left?


Well as long as they don't have  a
joint of marijuana on them, they probably won't appear on the radar.


 
Posted by: tipper || 12/06/2008 12:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Could we rename the cemetary 'Dogpatch'?
Posted by: Muggsy Glink || 12/06/2008 16:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, ed, what can I say? Unbelievable. Except it IS a baby step up. They bring the guy home dead. That is some kind of progress. Maybe precident-setting. If you are an Islamic-type jiihadi chap, you can come back to the US if you are dead. I will sent my suggestion to the INS, FBI,CIA,DOA, SOL.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/06/2008 16:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow it must have been difficult to bury him with all the muslims protesting...

maybe it was just the crickets chirping.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/06/2008 17:07 Comments || Top||

#7  well after the bailouts this is another kick in the balls for us taxpayers since we are paying for this too
Posted by: sinse || 12/06/2008 18:59 Comments || Top||

#8  He is also a Minnesotan No real suprise here! Dumba$$ Al Fankin might want to say a few words on this one....
Posted by: 49 Pan || 12/06/2008 22:40 Comments || Top||

#9  well after the bailouts this is another kick in the balls for us taxpayers since we are paying for this too.

I'm pretty sure neither he or his family have made any campaign contributions, so how come they are getting a bailout?

Sources tell WCCO the group suspected of recruiting the young Twin Cities men is know as al-Itihadd al-Islamiya, or AIAI, an organization with known ties to Al-Qaeda.

Ah! so they must have made the campaign contributions, makes sense now.
Posted by: tipper || 12/06/2008 23:19 Comments || Top||


Gates calls for more emphasis on non-conventional warfare
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has called for the military to develop an enduring capacity to fight "irregular" wars, and to rethink its reliance on ever-more costly high-tech weapons. Writing in Foreign Affairs quarterly, Gates said the United States needs "a military whose ability to kick down the door is matched.
It saved us a lot of money and men when Nizamuddin Shamzai, the proprietor of Binori Mosque and the father of the Taliban, departed the gene pool. Just think how much more would be save should the same happen to Qazi and to Hafiz Saeed. And it wouldn't take much to tumble Fazl down the stairs some dark night, would it?
Has the advantage of deniability, too. Modesty is a virtue after all.
Operation Lemony Snickett lives ...
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I suspect that he is trying to teach Obambi that such a thing exists, and it works, so don't cut it, stupid.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/06/2008 8:46 Comments || Top||

#2  File under - History [human behavior] repeats itself.

For insightful reading of events which have meaning today may I recommend, Frontier Regulars: The United States Army and the Indian 1866-1891 by Robert M. Utley. The perspective of a small and overtaxed military establishment conducting operations in a demanding environment, physically and politically, while bringing 'civilization' to the vastness of the west can be related to the contemporary operations on the world stage today. Of particular note would be chapters three: The Problem of Doctrine, four: The Army, Congress, and the People, and eighteen: Mexican Border Conflicts 1870-81.


Some excerpts:
"Chapter 3: The Problem of Doctrine. “Three special conditions set this mission apart from more orthodox military assignments. First, it pitted the army against an enemy who usually could not be clearly identified and differentiated from kinsmen not disposed at the moment to be enemies. Indians could change with bewildering rapidity from friend to foe to neutral, and rarely could one be confidently distinguished from another...Second, Indian service placed the army in opposition to a people that aroused conflicting emotions... And third, the Indians mission gave the army a foe unconventional both in the techniques and aims of warfare... He fought on his own terms and, except when cornered or when his family was endangered, declined to fight at all unless he enjoyed overwhelming odds...These special conditions of the Indian mission made the U.S. Army not so much a little army as a big police force...for a century the army tried to perform its unconventional mission with conventional organization and methods. The result was an Indian record that contained more failures than successes and a lack of preparedness for conventional war that became painfully evident in 1812, 1846, 1861, and 1898.

Chapter 4. The Army, Congress, and the People. Sherman’s frontier regulars endured not only the physical isolation of service at remote border posts; increasingly in the postwar years they found themselves isolated in attitudes, interests, and spirit from other institutions of government and society and, indeed from the American people themselves...Reconstruction plunged the army into tempestuous partisan politics. The frontier service removed it largely from physical proximity to population and, except for an occasional Indian conflict, from public awareness and interest. Besides public and congressional indifference and even hostility, the army found its Indian attitudes and policies condemned and opposed by the civilian officials concerned with Indian affairs and by the nation’s humanitarian community."


Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/06/2008 9:44 Comments || Top||

#3  It seems our opponents have found several cheap and effective methods. Perhaps the Mandarins in Washington could consider deploying some of their own.
Posted by: ed || 12/06/2008 10:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Proc2K, we learned about those things in the Regimental history -- 2ACR had a long (and well recorded in terms of ops logs, etc) history of operations in the Indian Wars.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/06/2008 11:43 Comments || Top||

#5  (finishing comment above)

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And that's where they came up with some of the counter-strategies in Iraq.  BG (then Col) McMaster pioneered these, and its no mere coincidence that he served in the 2 ACR (Cavalry) and earned his spurs there, and had to read up on regimental history.  Its the oldest continually operational combat regiment in the US military, so it, unlike most other units, actually has "historical memory" similar to the USMC's way of recording and teaching their own history.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/06/2008 11:44 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Indian airstrikes if Pakistan does not act fast: McCain
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/06/2008 20:32 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I suspect the time is not too far off when we will look back at the last two months as the good old days.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 12/06/2008 21:28 Comments || Top||


Mumbai attacks: residents unite in 'Black Badge' movement
Posted by: tipper || 12/06/2008 12:51 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Mumbai attacks: police admit there were more than ten attackers
Posted by: tipper || 12/06/2008 12:18 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Rice Calls on Pakistanis to Act Quickly on Terrorists
They're not going to do anything, certainly not anything of substance. Their society's built on turbans and automatic weapons, grafting oligarchies, generals with sashes and sprockets who've never won a war, and holy men lording it over ignorant tribesmen. They're now going through the old familiar dance we've seen time after time: first deny, then claim it was somebody else, then wave their nukes. They're a pathetic lot, an international migraine, a stench and a pestilence. The only reason they're never going to go away as a problem is that the civilized world is too civilized, unable to stomach the thought of rooting them out and killing all who don't surrender, then killing all who show the first sign of not staying surrendered, which'd be most of them.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Who's Rice?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/06/2008 3:01 Comments || Top||

#2  What's Rice?
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/06/2008 7:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Pakistanis are listening to this man, Zaid Hamid, as he tells them that the US will disintegrate, that Hindu-Zionists attacked Mumbai

link to youtube video

Turn on the CC for English subtitles (lower right button)
Posted by: john frum || 12/06/2008 7:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow nice comments there Fred.
Posted by: Hellfish || 12/06/2008 7:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, its not just any murderous, nihilistic culture that provokes a rant like that from Fred.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/06/2008 8:03 Comments || Top||

#6 

A Pakistani in Islamabad on Wednesday shouting slogans against the United States and India.
Posted by: john frum || 12/06/2008 8:55 Comments || Top||

#7  WHAT? No bullet hole?
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 12/06/2008 14:20 Comments || Top||

#8  they haven't acted on terrorist yet what makes you think they are gonna start now?
Posted by: Fester Cheater1846 || 12/06/2008 15:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Fred just got my vote for Secretary of State.
Posted by: SteveS || 12/06/2008 18:46 Comments || Top||


Indian Middle Class Directs Anger Over Mumbai Attacks at Nation's Politicians
But they'll still keep voting for them, won't they? They've got their choice of the Gandhi family's incompetent oligarchy, commies, or brown-turbanned Hinduvta pushers. Good luck with that. There are times I'm surprised they've come as far as they have -- and most of the time I'm convinced they've done it in spite of their government.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Lashkar e-Taiba

#1  Now, let see if they can sustain the anger long enough to do some good.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/06/2008 3:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Dunno, look how long that problem in JK lasted this year. Once you get the Hindus worked up into a lather.... Katie, bar the door!
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/06/2008 8:07 Comments || Top||


Pakistan: Net closes in on alleged Mumbai conspirators
(AKI) - By Syed Saleem Shahzad - Faced with evidence of alleged Pakistani involvement in last week's terror assault on the Indian city of Mumbai, Islamabad has assured the United States it will take action at the right moment against those involved, according to well placed Pakistani intelligence sources.
"When's the right moment?"
"About fifty years from now, give or take. More likely give."
"There is no pressure on us so far, nor is there is any reason for the arrest of the top leadership," said Yahya Mujahid, spokesman for Jamaatut Dawa, formerly Lashkar-i-Toiba, the outlawed Kashmiri militant group suspected of being behind the Mumbai bombings.

The surviving gunman from the Mumbai assault reportedly told his Indian interrogators he was from Pakistan and was recruited and trained by Lashkar-i-Toiba. The attacks killed 172 people and injured nearly 300. "We have nothing to do with Laskhar-i-Toiba. Jamaatut Dawa chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed condemned the Mumbai attack. We never condone attacks against civilians," Mujahid told Adnkronos International (AKI).
Of course, no infidel can be a civilian ...
Pakistan's Government banned Laskhkar-e-Toiba after Al-Qaeda's 11 September 2001 atacks against the United States and renamed itself Jamaatut Dawa. The group still operates with the same name in Indian-administered Kashmir as a militant organisation while Jamaatut Dawa claims to be a welfare and political party in Pakistan.

Laskhkar-e-Toiba sources said that training camps in Muzzafarabad, in Pakistani-administered Kashmir were immediately evacuated soon after Indian armed were placed on high alert after the Mumbai attacks last week. The group feared an Indian Air Force attack could target Laskhkar-e-Toiba training camps in Muzzafarabad.

Pooled Indian and US intelligence points to the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency (ISI) having had a role in training the gunmen who carried out the attack, Indian media have reported this week, quoting intelligence sources.

Precisely what action has been taken against ISI is unclear but the noose has tightened around the organisation. The US recently sent a list of four former ISI officials to the United Nations Security Council whom it wants the body to label as terrorists.
Good luck with that ...
The officials include retired former ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul and retired Squadron Leader Khalid Khawaja. The list was compiled before the Mumbai attacks but is part of an Amrerican policy to curtail the role of ISI in the region.

Gul has confirmed that his name is mentioned in the list and if the government of Pakistan does not contact him, he will contact the UN to defend himself. "I am vocal against the American imperialist designs in the region. I can read their mind and expose their strategies and warn my nation in advance. That's why they want me declared a terrorist," Gul told AKI.
This article starring:
Hamid Gul
Khalid Khawaja
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Always, with the American Imperialist b.s.
Gul baby, I hope you are a light sleeper. If you hear a buzzing sound in the sky above your house, just ignore it.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/06/2008 8:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Laskhkar-e-Toiba sources said that training camps in Muzzafarabad, in Pakistani-administered Kashmir were immediately evacuated soon after Indian armed were placed on high alert after the Mumbai attacks last week.

Gosh, it's as if they expected someone would act like LeT were responsible. By the way, what kind of training camps does a charitable organization need: Water Boiling For Cholera Prevention and Inoculation Methodology In Theory & Practice? Surely that wouldn't require more than a small building -- even the Red Cross national headquarters doesn't need that kind of space.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/06/2008 20:01 Comments || Top||


Minister admits security lapses over Mumbai attacks
(AKI) - India's new Interior Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram on Friday admitted 'security and intelligence failure' over last weeks deadly terror assault on Mumbai that killed 172 people and injured nearly 300. India has blamed Pakistan-based militants for the attacks but Islamabad denies any role.
"Nope. Nope. Wudn't us."
"I agree that security and intelligence failed," the Press Trust of India news agency cited Chidambaram as telling journalists, following a visit to the Mumbai railway station, one of the locations hit by terrorists last week.
"But it wudn't our fault!"
The militant assault mainly targeted locations popular with tourists, including two luxury hotels, the Taj Mahal (photo) and the Oberoi. A total 26 foreigners died in the attacks.

When asked about the possible involvement of Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, Chidambaram said: "There is ample evidence to link terror attacks to organisations or entities who have in the past been responsible for terror."

He said there was a proposal to set up an intelligence agency at the national level similar to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation. There were some lapses in security, coastal or otherwise which need to be rectified, Chidambaram added.

US media said this week that Washington had warned India in October that Mumbai could be targeted by militants arriving by sea.

The Indian government has faced growing domestic criticism over its handling of the attacks. Thousands of people took to the streets of Mumbai on Wednesday to demand that India's leaders do more to protect them from extremists.

Chidambaram took over as Interior Minister on Monday after his predecessor Shivraj Patil was forced to step down amid criticism from media and the opposition that he was taking a "soft approach on terror".

British MPs on Friday passed a motion pledging the UK would do its utmost to help India fight terrorism. The motion called the Mumbai carnage an attack on democratic values throughout the world. "This House... Believes that these attacks are targeted at the basic fabric of India represented by its secularism, democracy, tolerance, unity and faith and are an attack on democratic values... Throughout the whole world," the motion said.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Lashkar e-Taiba


Kashmiri separatists may be questioned over Mumbai attacks
(AKI) -By Syed Saleem Shahzad - As US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Pakistani leaders on Thursday, it was still unclear whether Islamabad would succumb to American pressure and detain leaders of a banned militant group linked to last week's terrorist attacks in India.

The sole gunman to survive the violent siege in which 188 people died in the Mumbai attacks (Photo) told Indian police interrogators that he was from Pakistan. He said that he and his fellow gunmen were trained at a camp there run by outlawed Kashmiri separatist group Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Lashkar-e-Toiba have denied any involvement in the attacks, while a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahadeen claimed responsibility.

Pakistan has so far shown no intention of grilling alleged Lashkar-e-Toiba leaders, whom the Indians claim have renamed the group, Jamaat ud-Dawa. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and Zakiur Rahman are two of the names said to be linked to the attacks.

Informed sources told Adnkronos International (AKI) that training camps in Muzzafarabad, in Pakistani-administered Kashmir were immediately evacuated soon after Indian forces were placed on high alert after the Mumbai attacks last week.

Rice and Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, both visited the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, this week for meetings with top officials aimed at pressuring Pakistan to cooperate in probing the attacks.

Mullen and Rice separately met President Asif Ali Zardari and the Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani on Wednesday and Thursday and discussed Pakistan's crucial role in fighting terrorism.

While Pakistan has so far shown no intention of questioning the two Lashkar-e-Toiba leaders, Zardari gave assurances on Thursday that Pakistan would do everything possible to aid the investigations . However, AKI's sources maintained that the next 24 hours following Rice and Mullen's visit would be crucial.

Gillani's advisor on the interior, Rahman Malik, dismissed as "rumours" reports that India has submitted a list to Pakistan of 20 'most wanted' terrorists or that Pakistan has handed over any of these individuals.

Malik also denied that two underworld bosses wanted in connection with the devastating 1993 bombings in Mumbai that killed 250 people are hiding the southern Pakistani port city of Karachi.

"Neither Dawood Ibrahim nor Tiger Memon are in Pakistan, he said.

Indian police have accused Lashkar-e-Toiba of carrying out a previous attack in Mumbai in August 2003 that killed 55 people and injured 180.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Lashkar e-Taiba


Pakistan: Taliban conflict jeopardises security in northwest
No! Reeeally? When did that start?
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: TTP

#1  What security?
Posted by: gorb || 12/06/2008 2:08 Comments || Top||


Iraq
US spells out Iraq mission under new agreement
Posted by: tipper || 12/06/2008 06:11 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Palestinians seek UN protection after Hebron clashes
(AKI) - The Palestinian Authority's acting Foreign Minister said he will ask the United Nations Security Council to send international peacekeeping troops to the West Bank. "We will ask the (UN) Security Council to send an armed force to protect our Palestinian people, particularly in Hebron," said Foreign Minister Riad Malki in a media conference in the Palestinian city of Ramallah on Friday.
"Help! Help! We're being oppressed!"
Moreover, Malki also said he would ask the Security Council to demand the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank city of Hebron.

Following the forced evacuation on Thursday of hardline settlers from Hebron's 'house of contention' or 'house of peace' as the settlers call it, Israeli rioters ran amok. They began desecrating Muslim graves, throwing stones, setting Palestinian cars, homes and fields on fire and in one case, firing live ammunition.

Malki also said that 30 Palestinians were injured in the violence, five with gunshot wounds. After the violence, more than 500 Israeli police and border policemen were deployed to Hebron and the Jewish settlement of Kiryat Arba.

Also on Friday, the UN's envoy to the Palestine Liberation Organization and the PA, applauded the eviction of the Hebron settlers by Israel but condemned settler violence against Palestinians.

"I condemn the ensuing violence and attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians and the destruction and desecration of Palestinian property," said Robert Serry. "As the occupying power, the Government of Israel is under obligation to protect Palestinian civilians, property and holy sites,' the UN representative to the Palestinian areas."
Do the Paleos have any obligation to protect Israeli civilians, property and holy sites?
"Actions of extremists continue to pose a threat to the peace process, and further underline the need for action to fulfil Roadmap commitments," concluded Serry, referring the stalled Palestinian-Israeli peace process.

About 500 settlers live in enclaves in central Hebron in an area under Israeli military control. The town also has around 170,000 Palestinian inhabitants. The settlers have vowed to avenge the forceful evacuation.

"We will choose the timing and the hour to respond," an activist told Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth. "In the game between cat and mouse, the mouse, who is smaller and more nimble, always wins and knows every tunnel and hole," said the settler.

Some religious Israeli settlers consider the West Bank part of the biblical land of Israel and thus claim a God-given right to own the land. However, the settlers claim they lawfully purchased the 'house of contention' from a Palestinian and Hebron resident named Faiz Rajabi.

Rajabi says the building belongs to him and denied having sold it to the settlers. "Thank God, the building has returned to its owners and I hope they will not come back," Rajabi said, quoted by Arab TV network Al-Jazeera.
Posted by: Fred || 12/06/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

#1  The World we live in, they'll get it.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/06/2008 3:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Following the forced evacuation on Thursday of hardline settlers from Hebron's 'house of contention' or 'house of peace' as the settlers call it, Israeli rioters ran amok. They began desecrating Muslim graves, throwing stones, setting Palestinian cars, homes and fields on fire and in one case, firing live ammunition.

It's a hard life, ain't it?
Sucks to be the victim of violence, doesn't it?
I still don't think they have put 2+2 together.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 12/06/2008 8:26 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
NSA - We've Got Our Eye On You
Surrounded by barbwire fencing, the anonymous yet massive building on West Military Drive near San Antonio’s Loop 410 freeway looms mysteriously with no identifying signs of any kind. Surveillance is tight, with security cameras surrounding the under-construction building. Readers are advised not to take any photos unless you care to be detained for at least a 45-minute interrogation by the National Security Agency, as this reporter was...

America’s top spy agency has taken over the former Sony microchip plant and is transforming it into a new data-mining headquarters — oddly positioned directly across the street from a 24-hour Walmart — where billions of electronic communications will be sifted in the agency’s mission to identify terrorist threats.

“No longer able to store all the intercepted phone calls and e-mail in its secret city, the agency has now built a new data warehouse in San Antonio, Texas,” writes author James Bamford in the Shadow Factory, his third book about the NSA. “Costing, with renovations, upwards of $130 million, the 470,000-square-foot facility will be almost the size of the Alamodome. Considering how much data can now be squeezed onto a small flash drive, the new NSA building may eventually be able to hold all the information in the world.”

So just what will be going on inside the NSA’s new San Antonio facility? Bamford describes former NSA Director Mike Hayden’s goals for the data-mining center as knowing “exactly what Americans were doing day by day, hour by hour, and second by second. He wanted to know where they shopped, what they bought, what movies they saw, what books they read, the toll booths they went through, the plane tickets they purchased, the hotels they stayed in… In other words, Total Information Awareness, the same Orwellian concept that John Poindexter had tried to develop while working for the Pentagon’s [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency].”
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/06/2008 15:59 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bet you it doesn't work.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/06/2008 16:09 Comments || Top||

#2  That is what we want you to think.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/06/2008 16:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Why no apply to our enemies instead of ourselves?


ooh new editor....


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Posted by: 3dc || 12/06/2008 16:36 Comments || Top||

#4  OK, I know it won't work, but it will make some people very rich.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/06/2008 17:05 Comments || Top||

#5  "exactly what Americans were doing"

Excuse me, but Bamford is FULL OF SHIT on this point.

He is not privy to certain NSA and other directives that specifically forbid activities involving US Persons, which means non-Americans as well as Americans.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/06/2008 18:10 Comments || Top||

#6  ooooooh! Walmart!!!1!! even got worked into this nonsense
Posted by: Frank G || 12/06/2008 18:14 Comments || Top||

#7  "Bamford describes former NSA Director Mike Hayden's goals for the data-mining center as knowing "exactly what Americans were doing day by day, hour by hour, and second by second."

That is the job of the FBI. NSA handles stuff outside of the US. It is actually against the law to intercept communications of anyone legally inside the US without a court (FISA) order.
Posted by: crosspatch || 12/06/2008 18:31 Comments || Top||

#8  I am assured that there is no such agency.
And besides, even if there were, why would they especially care what I read on the throne?
Posted by: eLarson || 12/06/2008 18:31 Comments || Top||

#9  No longer able to store all the intercepted phone calls and e-mail in its secret city

I didn't realize they kept the printouts....


Seamonkey 1.0.5 here. The button bar is jumpy (as it was in Opera).
Posted by: KBK || 12/06/2008 19:00 Comments || Top||

#10  Secret city? Has American geography been altered while I wasn't looking?

the new NSA building may eventually be able to hold all the information in the world.”

At the rate the amount of information is increasing? I rather doubt that.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/06/2008 19:54 Comments || Top||


Police Cars With Radiation Detectors
On his way home last month after receiving a PET scan at Portsmouth Regional Hospital, Michael Rosenthal noticed a State Police sport utility vehicle driving next to him and the trooper inside staring at him strangely. The trooper then sped in front of Rosenthal, slowed down, and pulled behind him.

"I was in the granny lane, driving on cruise control, taking my time, when all of a sudden I looked over and I saw this trooper with a puzzled look," said Rosenthal, a former New York City police officer who lives in East Wakefield, N.H. "When he put on his blue lights and pulled me over, I knew it wasn't a normal traffic stop."

The trooper, Bill Burke, walked over to Rosenthal, but the State Police veteran didn't ask for his license or registration. Instead, he had an all-too-knowing, Big Brotherlike question. "Were you in contact with any radioactivity today?" he asked.

Rosenthal began to wonder whether his veins were glowing from the chemicals injected for the scan. "I thought it was an odd question, like I was on 'Candid Camera,' " Rosenthal said.

He asked Burke why he was asking the question, and the trooper explained that he carries a radioactivity sensor and that something in Rosenthal's car set off the alarm.

"It's very rare that you get them going off for a vehicle going by," said Sergeant John Begin of State Police Troop G, which monitors radioactive waste in commercial vehicles passing through New Hampshire. "I can only think of three or four cases."

Rosenthal registered a six on the sensor's scale, which goes from one to nine, with nine the highest amount of radioactivity.

Begin said that about 30 New Hampshire troopers carry the sensors, which are the size of a bulky cellphone and can detect radioactivity as far away as 100 feet. New Hampshire bought the radiation-detecting equipment, called Mini rad-Ds and made by D-tect Systems, with a grant from the US Department of Homeland Security before the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston as part of efforts to prevent attacks on the city.

On the side of the turnpike that Nov. 21, Rosenthal explained to Burke that he had just come from having a positron emission tomography scan, which requires an injection of short-lived radioactive isotopes to identify any unhealthy cellular activity. The isotopes can remain in the body for as long as 18 hours, and patients are advised to keep their distance from others for that period.

"I told him I was surprised his equipment could detect the radioactivity in my body," Rosenthal said.

But Burke didn't take Rosenthal's word for it. He asked him to prove it. "I was very lucky that I had the documents with me from the hospital," he said. "After that, he was satisfied and sent me on my way."

Like hospitals around the country, Portsmouth Regional does hundreds of scans a week. Nancy Notis, a hospital spokeswoman, said Rosenthal's case is the first time they've heard of a patient being pulled over for emitting radioactivity. As a result, she said, the hospital is reviewing whether to alert patients that they could be stopped by police.

Despite his delay getting home, Rosenthal said he is happy to know the police are on the prowl for terrorists. "It made me feel good in one respect - that our money is going to good purposes," he said.
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#1  Well, that's a hot one...
Posted by: logi_cal || 12/06/2008 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  It is pretty easy to detect. I am amazed it took this long to start seeing this.
Posted by: newc || 12/06/2008 1:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Back in 1984 there was a well-publicized case of contamination that actually originated here in Lubbock. A large hospital here got a new radiotherapy machine and sold their old one to a clinic in Juarez, Mexico, complete with its standard capsule full of very hot cobalt 60 pellets. The Juarez clinic went out of business, and the machine and its capsule ended up being sold for scrap. The result was 600 tons of contaminated steel.
The situation came to light by an incredible fluke. A truck driver delivering a load of steel beams to an American contractor happened to get lost in the New Mexico desert. He pulled into the nearest likely place to ask directions. Lights and alarms started going off, and the driver soon found himself surrounded by armed men in NBC gear. He had innocently pulled into one of the security gates at the Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Full story here.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 12/06/2008 2:18 Comments || Top||

#4  I recall hearing of a case or cases like this about four years ago now, in NYC and Washington, DC, where police intercepted a man after he'd had radioactive dye.

Any David Hahn sightings recently?
Posted by: Plastic Snoopy || 12/06/2008 2:32 Comments || Top||

#5  And I've heard similar stories about people given 131I to destroy their cancerous thyroids being stopped at airports and other facilities.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 12/06/2008 7:48 Comments || Top||

#6  The development and rapid deployment (still under way) of detectors for radiation and biochem sniffers is one of those quiet successes in the GWOT for which Bush does not get the credit his administration deserves. It's not that there haven't been attempts on us since 9/11 - it's that we've caught many of them. And used surveillance to intecept others before the plots got that far.
Posted by: lotp || 12/06/2008 8:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Don't kid yourself that this sort of thing dates from the WoT. Even back in the 1980s, the US had coastal gamma detectors that may still be classified.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/06/2008 8:39 Comments || Top||

#8  Of course, we have Obama to thank for this
Posted by: Frank G || 12/06/2008 9:17 Comments || Top||

#9  Interesting, Atomic Conspiracy. There was another article involving radioactive medical waste from China and India that was put into the recycling pile, with the shipping container of new goods setting off the detectors in Europe. I was also wondering about those elite coffee machines the Eurosnobs are checking on because of unusual taste--the irony of all the cheap outsourcing coming back with a cost no one wants to pay.
Posted by: Thealing Borgia 122 || 12/06/2008 10:20 Comments || Top||

#10  I read a news story about 6 years ago about children who cracked the case of the machine and found beautiful glowing purple powdr, which they promptly spread all over themselves as it was "Beautiful".

Yup, they all died.
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 12/06/2008 14:30 Comments || Top||



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