The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, has said his country is likely to sever ties with Israel in protest at its military offensive in Lebanon. Venezuela recalled its charge d'affaires to Israel last week, prompting Israel to withdraw its ambassador to Caracas on Monday.
In a televised speech, Mr Chavez said he had "no interest in maintaining diplomatic relations, or offices, or businesses, or anything with a state like Israel". Mr Chavez rounded on Israel at the weekend, accusing the Jewish state of committing a "new Holocaust".
"Israel has gone mad. It's attacking, doing the same thing to the Palestinian and Lebanese people that they have criticised - and with reason - the Holocaust. But this is a new Holocaust."
The Venezuelan president has also angered Israel by showing support for Iran, which backs Hezbollah and has said the answer to the crisis in Lebanon is the elimination of Israel. During a visit to Tehran at the end of last month, Mr Chavez said Venezuela would "stand by Iran at any time and under any condition".
Israel said it had withdrawn its ambassador to Venezuela "as an act of protest against the one-sided policy of the president of Venezuela and in light of his wild slurs against the State of Israel".
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So, the Lebanese are being used for slave labor in concentration camps? They're being herded into gas chambers and shovelled into crematoria? The plan is to eliminate every man, woman and child from the face of the earth?
If not, Hugo, you would be well advised to STFU.
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Venezuela had ties with Israel?
Who knew?
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The irony is that his buddy, Ahm-a-dinna-jaket, wants to commit genocide, but, at the moment, can't.
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Chavez' behavior is getting so outrageous it will probably end up isolating him from even his closest neighbors. There are rumors that the Bolivians are already trying to put a little distance between themselves and Hugo. Hugo and Amedinejad are cut from the same cloth, and both more than a little insane.
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This is BS considering yesterday we had a story about Israel recalling their mission, this is just the response. Have to show them up after all.
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Soccer is a borefest. It is unusual if there are 5 shots in a game. Pass the ball around center field...lose the ball...other team passes the ball around...the crowd waits for a rare goal. Yawn.
We, the undersigned, believe that Israels military operation to remove Hezbollah from southern Lebanon is a correct and legitimate response to the creation of an armed force accountable to Syria and Iran residing within the boundaries of Lebanon and using Lebanese territory to engage in cross-border warfare. Israel voluntarily withdrew completely from Lebanese territory in 2000 under the terms of UN Resolution 1559, but the Government of Lebanon was unable or unwilling to assert its sovereignty in the area Israel vacated.
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Israel voluntarily withdrew completely from Lebanese territory in 2000 under the terms of UN Resolution 1559, but the Government of Lebanon was unable or unwilling to assert its sovereignty in the area Israel vacated.
"The Hezballah missile attacks in the north are a direct result of Israel's disastrous retreat from southern Lebanon in May 2000, and the Hamas missile attacks in the south are a direct result of Israel's insane surrender of Gush Katif in the Gaza District last summer. After the missile attacks started, most Israelis began to see that Israeli retreats always lead to more war, more bloodshed, and more terrorism. As a result, polls showed most Israelis opposed any further retreats."
And the Hezbos have been weaponizing in non-Lebanon unchecked since they killed our marines. Israelis paid in blood already in Leba-none alone with no help only criticism.
Israel needs to annex Lebanon. You can't match the Hezbos takeover of Lebanon with half measures.
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Israel needs to annex Lebanon. You can't match the Hezbos takeover of Lebanon with half measures.
I've got to agree with you on this one, Cap. The terrorist supporting terrortories need an object lesson with respect to consequences. Much like our own beleaguered attempts in Iraq, there is the glimmer of a chance that local Arabs might come to realize that life under Israeli control could be more stable and fruitful (no, I'm not kidding).
Sadly, I have to remain equally confident that any improvement in their quality of life would be utterly negated by the humiliation factor alone.
That all said, Israel is fully deserving of taking control of whatever region it d@mn well feels like if those areas persist in supporting terrorism. All of the Arabs are so bloody attached to their land that only loss of ownership (well, that and slow painful death, maybe) will ever convince them of the error of their ways.
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Israel has already tried governing the unruleable, in the Palestinian territories. They spent a full generation proving it pointless, as the improvements for the Arabs aren't worth the cost to Israeli society. For that matter, Israel spent twenty years in southern Lebanon, having only pulled back in 2000. The Lebanese on the whole are more mercantile and less concept-driven than the Palestinians, but mercantile becomes venal when they aren't responsible for themselves, and bootlessly Byzantine when they are. We can give it an effort halfway round the world in Iraq, where the heartland is not at risk; they are cheek by jowl with those who wish to destroy them and those willing to allow it to happen, so long as it doesn't interfere with teatime. I fear Israel is going to have to make a security zone empty of people in order to have some safety, since clearly neither the Lebanese government, the Lebanese people, nor the Lebanese Army are willing to do the work.
I'm talking a complete annexation. This is not "occupation" but a complete overtaking of the government, military, etc. Only after such a takeover can you rid the country of the Hezbo-Syrian-Iranian control. Think of the removal of Nazis after Victory in Europe, same with the Japanese.
Until a complete annexation, there will be no way to remove the Hezbo-Syrian-Iranian control of Lebanon.
The Pali terrorities is a very poor analogy of an annexation, but a good illustration of how half measures (i.e., Paliworld) have gone so tragically wrong.
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I guess I'm slow today, guys; perhaps I'm not dealing with the situation as well as I thought.
The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)'s publishing arm has released a book that says President Bush organized New York's Sept. 11 attacks.
The decision by the 160-year-old Westminster John Knox Press, the trade and academic publishing imprint of the Presbyterian Publishing Corp., to attribute the attacks on the World Trade Center brings into the U.S. religious mainstream a conspiracy theory long held by the world's jihadists.
In 'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,' author David Ray Griffin calls the United States the world's 'chief embodiment of demonic power, says he initially scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories.
But after investigating he concluded that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, military personnel were given stand-down orders not to intercept hijacked flights and the 9/11 Commission, ostensibly created to uncover the truth behind the events of 9/11, 'simply ignored evidence' that the administration was involved in the attacks.
Griffin further asserts that such events such as that of 9/11 are part of a long history of 'false-flag attacks,' attacks orchestrated by governments against their own people to garner popular support for military action.
Griffin is a professor at California's Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, and a codirector of the Center for Process Studies.
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Make d *** sure you are correct Presbys - the meaning of Gabriel's Sword ala FATIMA'S THIRD VISION is that the earth will lose a portion of its physical/geologic sphere, cut out and excised iff you will by the Archangel Gabriel like a farmer cutting off bad parts of any good fruit or food, the chaff from the grain. THE EARTH WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED, MILYUHNS-ZILYUHNS WILL DIE OR BE INJURED, NATIONS + GOVTS WILL BE DESTROYED-DAMAGED, BUT HUMANITY + LIFE WILL STILL SURVIVE. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL WITNESS = SUFFER THE POWER OF GOD. Iff Christ be GOD INTO MAN, the ANTICHRIST is MAN INTO GOD - don't go around pissing the Big Guy off by saying Secularist "Man is God", "Man must control God", or "God is a Fake", then when S*** hits the fan not do godly things. God himself will give you the tests to prove before the world you Secular Atheist Scientifist Dialectic, etc. Man are his Equal let alone his Superior. "EMBODIMENT OF DEMONIC POWER" > be right, Presbys, becuz iff Gabriel excises America = Amerika your Presby Church will go with the space rocks formerly known as America = Amerika. When the last Roman Pope dies, then Gabriel's Sword shall strike.
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What the hell this Griffin guy is smoking and who gave this guy a degree to teach. Folks, I did not earned my degree of PhD in science in USA simply because I learned the science. I had to prove that I had the ability to think rationally and behave civilized under high stress. I understand some people like Griffin may go crazy but they must surrender the certificate of high education and refrain from teaching. The certificates of high education were never meant to be given to mental fruit-cakes.
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It might be better to look into the motivations of people who like and beleive in conspiracy theories, then write a book about the conspiracy to make them beleive it wasn't Lynne-Baden who organised 9/11.
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My bro-in-law is die-hard Prez, but the other side of the fence. Very devout, strong supporter of Israel. We disagree on (minor) theological issues (I'm Southern Baptist, but Christian first), but on the whole, the PCA (Pres. Church of America, I believe) is a lot more conservative than PCUSA. I can't believe any religion would use conspiracy theories like this, though, to sell books. I'd also note where he got his "theology" degree and other degrees. Probably moonbat central/Jesus was a homo type school. Not much TRUE theology there.
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And, oh yeah, those must be some powerful meds Joe's takin. Cleaned him up in eight minutes straight!
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Bringing in the sheep, bringing in the sheep, we will go rejoicing...
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IIRC, the Presbys also claim to have a document detailing Mary Magdalene simultaneously doing Jesus, Saul and John soon after the Last Supper. F**k the Presbys.
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Well if the Presby C-USA put their stamp of approval on this I would imagine the Catholic, Baptist, & Methodist churches, (etc) will have some new members soon. I wonder how many Presby C-USA members have already fled that organization because of this type of stupid sh*t.
Mark Z - where did you hear that about Magdalene? I've never heard that story before. Seems even a stretch by Presby CUSA standards.
KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said on Tuesday that the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) nations should consider supplying arms to Hezbollah amid anger and frustration over Israel's offensive in Lebanon. Malaysia currently chairs the 57-nation OIC, and Syed Hamid said Israel could not be allowed to act with impunity, although it seemingly had "carte blanche" in its operations.
"Some are suggesting that we supply arms. Okay, we should look at all these things," Syed Hamid was quoted as saying by the state Bernama news agency. "The governments (of OIC) countries should look and we must not allow Israel to do what it wants," he said, but added that Muslim countries had to act according to international norms and principles.
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Malaysia has offered to send 1,000 soldiers for the UN force. Clearly they believe the UN is allied with Hizb'Allah.
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Muslims think us fools. They need look no further than the lack of seriousness in how we are persuing our war with them. So they can say and do what they do with impunity and they know it.
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Malaysia used to host al Qaeda conferences until the invasion of Afghanistan (which Malaysia opposed) made clear to it that facilitating al Qaeda attacks could be dangerous to the host. This isn't such a big step for Malaysia.
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Are we still giving these f&ckwit ingrates American foreign aid? If so, why? We need to pull the plug on these flat-liners and let them submerge in their own cesspits. More tsunamis, faster, please.
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Zenster, tsunamis are specially reserved for Indonesia. You can pull Motorola(perhaps Intel too, later)out of Malaysia and there'll be a sobering effect. The Foreign Minister is known for non too bright ejaculations but they reflect the consensus of the PM.
The Iraqi army is halfway to its goal of 10 divisions as the 4th Division assumed command of the area north of Baghdad yesterday.
The division assumed primary control of its area of responsibility from the 101st Airborne Division. This is the fifth of 10 division headquarters in Iraq to assume the lead in regional operations.
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman called the development a key benchmark in the effort Iraqis are making to take control of their own country. The division will be in the lead for security in Salah Ad Din, Sulaymaniyah and Kirkuk provinces. This area includes the cities of Tikrit, Kirkuk and Samarra and Iraqs northern oil fields.
Overall, Iraqi security forces are in the lead with five army divisions, 25 army brigades and 85 army battalions, Whitman said. The Iraqi national police have two battalions in the lead in other areas.
In northern Iraq, 33 battalions, nine brigades and two divisions have demonstrated their ability to operate independently and now lead the fight against terrorists and anti-Iraqi forces. The 5th Iraqi Army Division assumed the lead in Diyala province in July.
The assumption of authority ceremony was held at Camp Dagger, outside Tikrit. Iraqi Lt. Gen. Abdul-Aziz Abdel-Rahman al-Mufti, commander of the 4th Army Division, and U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Thomas Turner, commander of Task Force Band of Brothers, presided.
Dignitaries attending the ceremony included Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, Defense Minster Gen. Abdul Qadir Muhammed Jasim, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad, Multinational Force Iraq Commander Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the governors of Salah Ad Din, Sulaymaniyah and Kirkuk provinces, and many provincial and local leaders.
I think this is a good day for Iraq, Khalilzad said. The people of Iraq are starting to get organized so they can take on more responsibility for their own country.
Casey agreed. I think what you saw here today was a great statement in progress and unity in Iraq, he said. They (Iraqis) keep taking small steps and getting better and better every day.
The 4th Division will continue to report through the coalition command structure until the Iraqi Ground Forces Command is fully set up at Camp Victory, outside Baghdad, Multinational Corps Iraq officials said. The IGFC begins standing up in September with its formal alignment under the Joint Headquarters and will then conduct a phased assumption of overwatch for Iraqi army divisions, said Army Lt. Col. Michelle Martin-Hing, a Multinational Corps Iraq spokeswoman.
American advisers will continue to work with the 4th Division as it moves forward. Servicemembers assigned to military training teams are embedded with the Iraqi units. Thirteen such teams are with the 4th Division. Roughly 150 U.S. personnel are assigned to the teams, and U.S. units will continue to partner with Iraqi units as they gain more capabilities.
Servicemembers of Task Force Band of Brothers, which is built around the 101st Airborne Division, will continue to train and operate with the Iraqi army as they now take the lead for security operations, Martin-Hing said.
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This would explain the shift in political opinion to 'get the US out now!' - they want to be perceived as leading by demanding what is already happening.
German engineers the past few weeks have been in Israel working to improve three advanced, nuclear capable attack submarines it provided the Jewish state last year, security sources tell the Galil Report.
Many here have estimated the vessels can be used both as a strategic, second-strike nuclear deterrent or for conventional use during any large-scale confrontation.
Military officials say the submarines are not needed for Israel's current campaign in Lebanon. The officials said Israel recently has discussed with foreign governments travel and refueling routes so the submarines can reach the Persian Gulf within firing distance of Iran.
The submarines usually patrol in the Indian Ocean. But the Galil Report has learned one is currently stationed in the Mediterranean off the coast of Haifa and another off the coast of Lebanon. Both submarines are being serviced. The Galil Report was not provided with the location of the third submarine.
The submarines are being fitted by German engineers with larger fuel tanks, security sources said. They said the submarines also are being fixed to carry larger torpedo tubes. Israel already had the submarines redesigned once in the past. Four of the 10 torpedo tubes were made to carry a 650 mm tube size, surpassing the nearly universal 533 mm diameter. Security sources said the submarine enhancements were not related to any specific military agenda. But they said Israel has discussed travel routes with foreign governments for the submarines to reach the Persian Gulf, within firing distance of Iran.
They said Egypt has denied Israel the ability to travel through the Suez Canal, but the Jewish state through diplomatic channels has secured the ability to travel to the Gulf via the Mediterranean. Coastal Eritrea had agreed to allow Israel to refuel at its port, which is still controlled by the Ethiopian army, sources told the Galil Report. Still, Israel is playing it safe by having the submarines' fuel capacity enlarged.
Today's Galil Report details the upgrades being made to Israel's already enhanced SSK Dolphin-class submarines and outlines diplomatic negotiations to ensure the vessels can travel toward the direction of the Iranian coast.
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From a news report. According to London's Sunday Times quoting Haaretz, an Israeli Navy Dolphin submarine came up to Balasore on India's eastern seaboard to test fire an anti-missile missile. Israel's Dolphin submarines which are based in the port of Haifa, are believed to be armed with nuclear missiles.
This is sometimes reported as "off the coast of Sri Lanka".
Note that Balasore is the Indian missile test range. It has long range radar and optical tracking equipment and telemetry for missile tests.
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If Israel is using the Indian test range, it is probably using the IN submarine tenders and bases as well.
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www.defenseindustrydaily.com
It is also rumored that Israel has tested a nuclear-capable verson of its medium-range "Popeye Turbo" cruise missile design for deployability from the two 650mm torpedo tubes in its Dolphin Class submarines. The 2002 Popeye Turbo launch test location off Sri Lanka suggested that the tests may have been performed in cooperation with India.
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heh heh. Put one in the Qom well that Imam is hiding in?
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heh heh. Put one in the Qom well that Imam is hiding in?
humm..sounds like a plan Frank..
I take it you mean why not save the twelfth imammi all the effort of climbing up out of that well.
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why not stay hidden? As in: atomized, carbonized and dispersed over a 100 mile radius?
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Refitting the 533mm tubes (NATO) to handle a 650mm torpedo(Russia) is interesting. It would be even more interesting if they were being refitted to 660mm or 762mm. Then they would be capable of firing cruise missiles.
At this link you'll find Some common torpedo diameters (using the most common designation, metric or inch, and listed in increasing order of size):
12.75 inch (approximately 324mm) is the most common size for light torpedoes.
16 inch (406mm) was the size of the earliest specialised Soviet ASW torpedoes. 16 inch torpedo tubes were fitted to Soviet Hotel, Echo and early Delta class submarines, often in addition to 21 inch tubes.
17.7 inch (450mm) was the standard size for light torpedoes of the Imperial Japanese Navy. This size is sometimes referred to as 18 inches.
21 inch (533mm) is the most common size for heavy torpedoes, including:
Allied torpedoes of the Second World War.
Some torpedoes of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
NATO torpedoes.
Some Soviet and Russian torpedoes, including the current ASW models.
24 inch (610mm) torpedoes were used by the Imperial Japanese Navy, most famously the deck launched Type 93 torpedo, also some Kaitens.
650mm (approximately 25.6 inches) is the largest torpedo diameter used by the Russian navy, see Type 65 torpedo. Adaptors are used to fire 533mm (21 inch) munitions from 650mm tubes.
Even larger sizes of torpedo tube, including 660mm (26 inches), 30 inch (about 762mm) and 36 inch (about 914mm), have been installed on some nuclear submarines. These tubes are designed to be capable of firing large diameter munitions such as cruise missiles, as well as the standard 21 inch heavy torpedo.
The mentally impaired leading the visually challenged
The security cabinet approved Wednesday a broader ground offensive by the Israel Defense Forces in Lebanon, authorizing troops to push at least up to the Litani River some 30 kilometers from the Israel-Lebanon border. The IDF's goal is to significantly reduce Hezbollah's short-range rocket launching capabilities. Most Katyusha rocket launches take place from within this area. What a dumb goal. Iran will suppply all lost material within one month of a cease fire. What they can't replace is trained, experienced fighters. The goal should be to kill every adult male in Southern Lebanon.
No, sorry, that will create a bigger problem. The goal should be to kill the Hezbie leadership, Hezbie gun slingers, and Hezbie rocket techs. When enough of that happens the rest of the Hezbies will decide to become auto mechanics.
The cabinet authorized Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz to widen the offensive and to determine its timing. Now for the capper -
The offensive would not begin for two or three days so as not interfere with ongoing efforts to broker a cease-fire at the United Nations, said one minister in the meeting. And don't forget your permisssion slip from Mr. Annan.
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The Israelis really get it. The rest of the West needs to wake up before a 911 or a London or a Barcelona occurs again. The islamo crazies would like nothing more than to use a nuclear weapon or dirty bomb or some other form of mass murder. It is best to stop it now. Wishing the danger wasn't true does not make it go away.
I'm going to email this with my comments to John Howard. I suggest others do as well (to their elected representive). And go read the whole thing
Snip. We did this yesterday. There's no link. We mods don't have the time to ferret out links. New posts without links are going to be deleted even if they already have comments.
Please provide links if you want your posts to stick. AoS.
A public opinion poll published on Tuesday showed that support for Hamas and Hizbullah among the Palestinians has increased over the past few weeks and that the number of those who believe in peace with Israel has dropped sharply.
The poll, conducted by the Ramallah-based Near East Consulting group, covered more than 1,200 Palestinians living in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem. Its margin of error is reported to be 3.6%.
The poll was held in the first week of August and is an indication of the growing radicalization of Palestinian society. Its findings also show that support for Hamas has not been affected, despite US-led sanctions against the Hamas government.
Another interesting finding is the fact that the Palestinians in the West Bank appear to be more radical in their views against Israel than their brethren in the Gaza Strip, a traditional stronghold of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
While about 76% of the Palestinians in June declared their support for a peaceful settlement with Israel, the percentage after five weeks dropped by 25% to reach 51%, according to the results of the latest poll.
Support for peace is stronger among Fatah supporters (63%) than among Hamas supporters (32%). In the Gaza Strip, support for the peace process stood at 63%, while in the West Bank it was only 44%.
The poll found that there was an increase in the number of Palestinians who support Hamas's desire to eliminate Israel.
For the first time, a majority of 55% agreed that Hamas should not change its position regarding the destruction of Israel. Even 29% of the Christian Palestinians share this view.
The war in Lebanon has increased support for Hizbullah, with an overwhelming majority of 97% voicing their backing with the Shiite group. This position, according to the poll, is also held by 95% of the Christians.
Hizbullah's popularity intensified after the war began. More than 56% of the Palestinians said that their support for Hizbullah has increased over the past month, while 30% said it remained the same.
Again, the Christian minority also appears to have been radicalized by the war in Lebanon, as 66% of them said that their support for Hizbullah was now stronger than ever.
In yet another disturbing finding, most Palestinians no longer see Israel as a peace partner. About 75% of those polled said they do not believe there is a peace partner for the Palestinians in Israel, as opposed to 71% who said that Israel does have a partner on the Palestinian side.
Among Palestinian Christians, 63% also do not believe that the Palestinians have a peace partner in Israel.
Asked about kidnapped IDF soldier Cpl Gilad Shalit, who is being held in the Gaza Strip by Hamas and other armed militias, about 91% of the Palestinian public does not believe he should be released unconditionally. The vast majority of the Palestinians, 70%, believe that an unconditional release will not make any difference as far as the Israeli attacks are concerned.
A report in the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper claimed on Tuesday that Shalit's kidnappers were seeking the release of jailed Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti, as well as leaders of other factions, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
The paper quoted Abu Mujahid, a spokesman for the kidnappers, as saying that they had prepared a list with the names of Barghouti and 11 other top leaders who should be included in a prisoner exchange.
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Speaking of the Paleos backing losers, the Arafish publicly supported Sammy in GW1. Now he is dead, so I won't be able to get his advice anymore on picking winners at Belmont. Tried to contact him in a seance, but I just get snapping and crackling noises (and muffled screams).
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They are not going to like us no matter what. Who cares? Might as well kick their a*sses and be done with. That is all they respect.
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If you can't believe PalliPolls who can you believe?
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Further proof that the only resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will involve massive fatalities, and they won't be Israeli. I have never seen such a combination of blinding stupidity and outright suicidal death-wish in my entire life. May the Palestinians' dreams of martyrdom all come true. They are well and truly worthless.
IIRC, I've read a long letter by a missionary about these 2001 post-9/11 outbreaks of "interfaith violence", and the bit that stuck to my mind is the jihadis coming into christian town and hamlets parading with swords, banners and giant portraits of OBL, straight out of a medieval jihad... hum, do tell me, what happened to bashir?
TENTENA, Indonesia (AP) -- Three Christian men found guilty of inciting a bloody outbreak of fighting with Muslims in eastern Indonesia in 2000 are to be executed on Saturday, prosecutors have told the men's family.
Fabianus Tibo, Dominggus da Silva and Marinus Riwu were found guilty in 2001 after months of violence on Sulawesi island between Muslim and Christian gangs in which about 1,000 people from both faiths died.
Tibo's son, Robertus, said prosecutors informed him by letter on Tuesday that his father and the two other men would be killed in the early hours of Saturday morning by firing squad.
"I was very shocked to read the letter saying that my father and his friends are scheduled to be executed this weekend," Robertus said in the Sulawesi town of Tentena. "My father is convinced that he is innocent."
All three have said they are not guilty, but their final appeal was turned down by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono last year. A lawyer for the men was quoted in Koran Tempo daily as saying he was trying to win them a last-minute stay of execution based on new evidence.
Several hardline Muslim leaders in Sulawesi have called on the men to executed.
Amnesty International, an international rights group that opposes the death sentence in all cases, said it was concerned at reports indicating that the trial of the three men did not meet international standards of fairness.
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Article: Three Christian men found guilty of inciting a bloody outbreak of fighting with Muslims in eastern Indonesia in 2000 are to be executed on Saturday, prosecutors have told the men's family.
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that no Muslim men have been or will be found guilty of incitement.
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"In the past we used to oppose or not agree on deployment of the army at the borders," the Hezbollah leader said. Now, he said, "we agree on deployment of the army."
He said before when he did not want the troops deployed it was not because he was afraid of them, but because he was afraid for them.
"Putting a national army on the border is putting the army in the mouths of the dragon. It doesnt have air cover or sufficient artillery, so it could be destroyed easily," Nasrallah said.
He then accused Israel of weak military tactics because Lebanon has suffered a higher number of civilian casualties than Israel.
"We are waiting for you in the battle field. ... You are cowards. You kill our women, our children, our buildings. But we kill your officers and your tanks."
Oh, I'm convinced now. And the French want it too? So what's the problem?
Go IDF!
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What's the difference between Hezbo and Lebanese Army? (silence) I didn't think so
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The mastermind behind the coordinated Arab demand for an immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon is China's special envoy to the Middle East, Sun Bigan, who is currently visiting the region.
Sun, who is a veteran diplomat and one of China's leading Arabists, called Monday for an immediate unconditional ceasefire in the war between Israel and the Lebanese proxy army of Beijing's non-Arab Islamist ally, Iran. "Israel and Lebanese Hezbollah should end hostilities immediately to avoid further deterioration of humanitarian crisis in Lebanon," Sun told a press conference in Damascus following a closed-door meeting with Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Shara.
Sun expressed China's willingness to intensify "consultation and coordination" with Arab nations.
As China Confidential reported on Sunday, Beijing is maneuvering to become a trusted intermediary--and maybe even a mediator--in the Middle East conflict. Sun is advancing the argument that the United States has lost credibility and influence in the region as a result of its steadfast support for Israel, and that a more neutral power--such as China-- is urgently needed to help end the fighting and reduce regional tensions.
The real objective is to weaken the U.S. position--and ultimately drive the US from the region altogether. Toward this end, China has been a major arms supplier to Hezbollah's sponsor. In the context of energy deals, Beijing has sold Iran tanks, planes, artillery, and cruise, anti-tank, surface-to-surface and anti-aircraft missiles. Chinese-designed missiles--including some that have been upgraded and improved by North Korea--have found their way into Hezbollah's arsenal of aerial terror.
China is also providing covert technical assistance to Iran's disputed nuclear development program--and supporting Iran diplomatically with a promise to block meaningful United Nations Security Council sanctions against the wannabe nuclear power.
Yesterday, I watched the Israeli ambassador and the Lebanon designee speak to the UN.
Afterwards, the ChiCom ambassador was doing liplocks with the Lebanese delegation while the Israel group got zero attention from outside their own delegation.
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The mastermind behind the coordinated Arab demand for an immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon is China's special envoy to the Middle East, Sun Bigan, who is currently visiting the region.
Concerned about the ever-increasing blowback that will finally result in their biggest oil supply, namely Iran, being taken off line, is he? China has spent so much time pouring gasoline on regional fires (North Korea, for instance) that they well and truly need a solid object lesson in global manners. Choking off Iran's oil production would be an ideal demonstration of consequences.
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You have peripheral dupes like Kimmie and Pervert in Pakland providing support, but is there any real doubt that the principals are China and Russia ?
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Yeah. The Iranians were doing this long ago without any assistance. They may be getting assistance now and then, but they are calling the shots, not Moscow or Peking.
Pakistan and Egypt strongly condemned the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Gaza on Tuesday and called for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli troops from Lebanese territory. The two countries voiced concern over the deteriorating situation in the Middle East during the third round of two-day political consultations. During the talks, they vowed to bolster bilateral relations in all areas and agreed to convene the second joint ministerial commission meeting in Islamabad before the end of this year and to speed up the process of setting up a joint business council.
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How 'bout strongly condemning the terrorist attacks? Or is that what they think they just did?
(Roooters, of course) BEIRUT - International and local activists are planning on Saturday to bring a civilian convoy to southern Lebanon, worst hit by Israel's 28-day-old war on Hizbollah, to deliver aid and show solidarity with suffering residents. "We hope this will be the first of what will become continuous convoys to show that there are civilians being killed and affected by this war," Adam Shapiro, an American documentary filmmaker and human rights activist, told Reuters.
He's also big heat at the ISM and has his hand in any number of other hard-left, 'progressive' organizations. He's also really nuts.
Shapiro the Hero is back. If we're lucky, he'll manage to get himself trapped in a bunker with Hassan, like he did with Yasser.
"If governments are failing to act, we as terrorist enablers citizens will."
"Because we're important. We count for something. You betcha."
Shapiro, 34, is among several activists from the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a pro-terrorist pro-Palestinian group that usually works to bring attention to Israeli occupation of Palestinian land, who have traveled to Lebanon seeking non-violent ways to support local groups as they try to kill all the Joooz protesting the war. This time, however, the activists will not be facing Israeli soldiers, tanks or Rachel Corrie memorial D9 bulldozers but aerial bombardment.
Splendid idea!
One idea they are considering is to bring large numbers of people, rather than a few activists, to the Hizbollah strongholds of south Lebanon or south Beirut to try to protect them or draw attention to the plight of civilians there.
I like the idea of wiping out large numbers of terrorist abettors at one time. Or at least having them all mess their drawers when an IAF F-15 shows up.
So far, activists who have shown up in Lebanon from the United States and Europe are part of an exploratory group, but Shapiro believes they can attract hundreds more, including from Arab states, once they come up with a strategy.
The ones from Arab states will even bring their own guns and ammo.
"In the United States people were already contacting us, Lebanese and internationals interested in coming to Lebanon to see how we could help," Shapiro said.
The Berkeley contingent should be good for a hundred.
Lebanon will be the first time the ISM has worked outside the Palestinian territories, though individual activists have been to other war zones such as Iraq as human shields. Israeli authorities view them as terrorist enablers trouble makers and sometimes accuse them of inciting violence.
"I'm not sure we can be as ambitious as to end the war but certainly we can change the dynamic," Shapiro said. "In the media this has so far been portrayed as a war between Israel and Hizbollah. Maybe we can change the dynamic so it is seen as what it is, Israel versus all of Lebanon."
You guys did a great job in Iraq.
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Oh, pretty please, can they wear hats with a target printed on them?
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I'll never forget how when that asswipe Shapiro was in the news for his paleo antics, his parents in Brooklyn (who were supporting him 100%) received death threats and were absolutely shocked!. Just goes to show how absolutely out of touch these people are. Did they think they had a monopoly on outrage? They were so sure they were "right" they had no idea that there was any other way to think about paleo issues. F**k them, and F**k their son.
Let's just say I hope their son chooses not to comply with an Israeli leaflet.
What would really be interesting is if they get in the way of a katyusha
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lol, perfect timing. On the very day Israel announces it's shutting down all traffic south of the Litani River, and that they'll shoot/bomb any car travelling in this area. Hey, Adam, times a tickin'...head on out to Tyre, baby!
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CNN: Isn't that Rachel Corrie? Who'll believe that is someone killed by an airstrike in a peace demonstration in Beiruit?
Reuters: Shhh! No one will know the difference. We'll say it is an anonymous "American Peace Activist killed by Zionist Aggressors, Ummm I mean the Isralei Military". We don't have to say when...
Everyone will assume it is current and in Beiruit.
(IsraelNN.com) The day after it was revealed that a Reuters News Agency doctored photographs to show an anti-Israel bias, the news service incorrectly reported Tuesday afternoon that the IDF bombed a funeral procession in Lebanon. Reuters has corrected without apology its earlier story that the IDF strafed a funeral procession and updated the report to state that the bombs struck a village at the same time the funeral was taking place, adding that "the air strike was not in the immediate vicinity of the funeral."
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“The last person to write a thing like that was Archie Leach, a week before he cut his throat.”
Okay, so I misquoted. Sue me.
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This is getting to be real BS. Plaster the pages with false crap, and then let out a little memo that it wasn't quite how they reported?
Did we let this kind of propoganda infiltrate our media during world war 2? I find this amazing.
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What is it about OWG, Communism-Socialism, and Universal Governmentism-Totalitarianism, etal. that these guys find so fascinating they have to hide it from the Amer people, or at least the Voters!? Be it Radical Intellectuals calling for the extermination of 90% or more of the human race in the name of the enviro, or the Chicommies agz 200Milyuhn Americans = Amerikans, politely but necessarily of course. These agendas make no distinction between US Lefty or US Righty or US Moder-Independent, of any type or form - KRAUTHAMMER > SAY IT WITH ME, THEY/YOU WILL BE GULAGGED OR DESTROYED WITH THE REST OF US. STOP FIGHTING FOR THOSE FEW SPECIAL SEATS ON THE FUTURE AMERIKAN-GLOBAL POLITBURO WHICH RUSSIA-CHINA NEVER PROMISED YOU = or in the alt PROMISED YOU'LL KEEP FOREVER. Tens of 000's of Polish officers went into the Katyn forest to have a coffee, donut, and friendly anti-Hitler/Nazi/
German/Fascist chat with Stalin's boyz and never came back out.
Michelle Malkin's contribution to the lexicon?
1. Look, it's a Zionist bombing inferno! It's a burning F-16. No it's a garbage fire.
2. Dead men don't wear plaid sweat (or hold onto their hat).
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Watch what you say about my friend, Archie.
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Reuters is completely infiltrated by the enemy. While the management is not likely to be Islamist, they have without any doubt bought into one of the Western post-modern philosophies that are allied with Islamism. This influences their hiring and editorial decisions and has directly led to this travesty.
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Reuters is the London-based organization that has been having little problems like staffers posting threats on the Little Green Footballs site. It's not about infiltration, but rather a different point of view.
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You're a fake too, Haven. Everyone knows the real Haven's initials are C. K. Oh, well, "With the rich and famous, always a little patience," I always say.
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UNITED NATIONS Israel is preparing for an "epic battle" during Tuesday's meeting of the United Nations Security Council where diplomats will discuss the best possible solution for a cease-fire, sources tell FOX News. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are pushing to take Lebanon's offer to deploy 15,000 forces into the embattled southern region along with UNIFIL forces to gain stability without an international force there after more than three weeks of intense fighting.
The diplomatic efforts came as thirteen Lebanese fell victim to Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon as Israel announced it was planning to push further into Lebanon Military to target rocket sites.
The United States State Department said Lebanon's proposal was "an important proposal," but one Bush administration official told FOX News that the United States is drawing a "line in the sand," saying that an international force has to deployed alongside the Lebanese forces. The United States and France wrangled Tuesday over ways to allay Lebanon's fears that Israel would win too much from a draft U.N. Security Council cease-fire resolution, as three Arab foreign ministers argued for changes to the text. In a private meeting, the Americans and French considered two tentative proposals they hoped would both accommodate Lebanon's demands and revive diplomatic efforts to end the Israel-Hezbollah fighting.
Both nations agree on one proposal: that the resolution should support Lebanon's offer Monday to deploy 15,000 troops to monitor a buffer zone in the south, once under de facto Hezbollah control and now partly occupied by Israeli troops, diplomats said. The other proposal, still in the early stages, was to deploy some sort of international force to Chebaa Farms, an area along the Lebanese and Syrian borders occupied by Israeli troops, diplomats said. Lebanon had made that demand previously and was upset when the original draft resolution did not reflect it.
The discussions were held ahead of a Security Council meeting set for later Tuesday in which a delegation of three top Arab officials were to spell out their objections to the U.S.-French draft resolution. After that, the delegation planned to meet privately with U.S. and French diplomats to discuss concrete changes to the draft. On Monday, Arab ministers agreed to send a delegation consisting of the foreign ministers of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, and Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa to plead Lebanon's case.
Washington and Paris had been expected to circulate a new draft of the resolution Monday but decided to wait to hear from the Arab delegation. The council planned to hold closed consultations after hearing from the delegation, and could introduce a new draft late in the day or on Wednesday. Because of Security Council rules, 24 hours must pass before a resolution can be voted on. That means any vote probably won't occur until Thursday at the earliest.
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The Chebaa Farms proposal is a non-starter. Israel won't allow foreign troops on its territory.
This UNSC thing could drag on for weeks. Trust the Arabs to screw things up to their own detriment.
Now, FoxNews is saying that "The French U.N. delegation has joined with Arab nations and is now calling for a complete and immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon as a condition of any cease-fire",
and that "In addition, the French have reportedly agreed with Arab demands that the Lebanese force be accompanied only by UNIFIL, with no international force to be deployed".
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Maybe not as reported. "My goal is to incorporate in the text some ideas that have been proposed in recent days," France's U.N. ambassador Jean-Marc de la Sabliere told reporters.
His spokesman firmly denied unconfirmed reports that France had broken with the United States and was calling for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. The spokesman said U.S.-French negotiations were continuing.
No action is expected until Thursday at the earliest. The document has not yet been introduced to the 15-member council, which usually happens 24 hours before a vote.
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I was happy to read the proposed draft on the Lebanon war, presented by the US and France, as it was not bad for Israel (although it did mention the Shebaa Farms, which are totally irrelevant to the present crisis, and whose fate shall not be discussed now, because that would be a reward for the Hezbollah and the Lebaneses), but I am now disgusted and infuriated to see that France has that fast returned to its usual cowardice and twisted ethics, and is once again siding with those disgusting arab dictatorships.
Tuesday, the German FM, Steinmeier, was in Beyrouth, and he was able to say the right thing: "Lebanon is not in a position to impose its conditions".
I hoped that maybe Chirac and the French authorities suddenly got a brain and backbone, but obviously this isnt the case.
So, maybe those 'unconfirmed sources' are of the same kind as the one who said, after the US-French draft was released, that Lebanon was rejecting it, whereas it was dissatisfied with it.
Maybe France and the US are buying time for Israel ? That would be a good news, coming from Chirac's France...
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Dubya has made it clear that the USA = his Admin will NOT accept any agreement where the terror groups share "State-within-a-State" power and authority wid the Lebanese govt - Israel is thus assured of a US veto in the UNSC where the pre-kidnap "status quo" is preserved, so also for any surreal "democratic/sovereign" Lebanese govt vv the terror groups. Lebanon must decide what it wants to be becuz any defeat, destruction, or withdrawal of Israel does NOT mean Lebanon = Syria = Jordan, etal. will be free from Radical Iran nor treated as equals by Radical Iran. MADMOUD + MULLAHS MAY BE MUSLIM BUT POST-ISRAEL [USA/WEST] ARE NOT THEIR FRIENDS-ALLIES.
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The most comforting is indeed that the US and G. W. Bush are firmly supporting Israel.
As always, Bush says clearly what he wants, and uphold his will. Its very rare in politics,and in France mostly uncommon.
Here, almost 99% of the people think that Bush is just 'another stupid cowboy' like Reagan. But nobody mentions that this 'stupid cowboy' won the Cold War, while the French self-proclamed bright intellectuals where trying hard to destroy the economy. And now, none of them would acknowledge that Bush is winning the War on Terror, because for those eggheads, there simply is no War on Terror...
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I doubt there will be any diminishing of hostilities with amost couple of weeks. Perhaps the realities after a couple more weeks of Hezb'Allah will force a rehash of whatever crap manages to ooze its way into any resolution, or perhaps that is already starting to happen.
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What epic battle? Either US will veto the Franco-Muslim revised version, or it will not. Reason, logic, justice, and common sense have no place in the UN.
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Sop35/Rat, I agree, John Bolton is great too. I have read some of his UN speeches, they are really exciting. He is a strong American liberty fighter sent to the World Assembly of Dictatorships, also called United Nuts.
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Of course, I don't need to add that in France, John Bolton has been depicted as a far-right republican with almost-fascit-ties, and so on. In the US, the Democrats have said the same, but in France, all the medias (left, right, center, half-leftist-right, middle-rightist-left...) I have read or heard have vilified him.
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Its a shame we're at a point in history where that cesspit of thieving, American, & Jew-hating despots at Turtle bay opinions are treated as if they are credible.
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A couple of weeks? I can foresee this lasting indefinitely. There is no reason for the UN or anybody else to get involved until this thing is settled the best way possible, with violence. One guy needs to get so beat up he gives up. And I ho0pe that's Hezb'Allah-Lebanon. But if Israel cries uncle first, they can't complain about the consequences either.
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Will we learn a lesson from tangoing with France again? And with Turkey, after what they pulled pre-Iraq Action #2? We keep pining for relationships that were ruined and over long ago.
It appears Israel and the US will be isolated-the only nations fighting for the principles of decency and moral clarity in the Security Council. I just hope Mr. Bolton finds a concise and devastating way to name how abominable the behavior coming out of SC is-I'm sure he will, he's the best. He should slide in a little public guilt slap to Europe for trying to finish what it started in WWII-the extermination of Jews.
Those who are working hard to find commonality with the French are not serving the interests of the US-the French only want a restoration of reputation and the "Jewish problem" to disappear so that their financial stream can proceed unimpeded. They are not fighting for the same principles as the US. We had better realize that.
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Look, the Israelis should do exactly what the Lebanese-Syrians-Iranians do with UNSC resolutions....ignore them.
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EoZ, I wouldn't be bothered by having Paris nuked. In fact, I might enjoy it, knowing working and middle class has left it, and that only green bobos and parisian elitists remain, with a few "ethnic" hoods.
BUT, I'll bet that my IP logistical HQ is located there, and anyway, it would really screw up telecoms and all.
French are not fighting for the same principles as the US
French only want a restoration of reputation and the "Jewish problem" to disappear
It's not the French people, but the French government and the French media that are acting as you say.
I would say that, according a lot of surveys on the US, the War on Terror, the death of Arafat, and so on, that I have seen, that around 60% of the French people are anti-American. That's very bad, but that means, too, that at least 20 to 30% are NOT anti-American (I count the undecided out).
One of 11 missing Egyptian students has been picked up in Minneapolis, Minn., NBC News Pete Williams reported Wednesday. The student was being interviewed by federal investigators, who were trying to find the remaining 10.
The students arrived in the United States on student visas last month, and are being sought by authorities after failing to turn up for an exchange program at Montana State University. remain on site is info already noted
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They found him face down drunk on a corner. As the rest wake up from the bender they will get policed up.
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Minnesota, eh? Probably getting terrorist training from those radical Lutherans.
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Minnesota was where some 9-1-1 terrorists sought flight training. An FBI agent resigned after HQ ignored their concerns. Many from the ME seek medical treatment at Mayo, including the late Jordanian King Hussein and the Saudis. Ive seen fully veiled women at the Mall of America, arousing my suspicions.
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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said on Tuesday that the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) nations should consider supplying arms to Hezbollah amid anger and frustration over Israel's offensive in Lebanon. Malaysia currently chairs the 57-nation OIC, and Syed Hamid said Israel could not be allowed to act with impunity, although it seemingly had "carte blanche" in its operations. 
(IsraelNN.com) The day after it was revealed that a Reuters News Agency doctored photographs to show an anti-Israel bias, the news service incorrectly reported Tuesday afternoon that the IDF bombed a funeral procession in Lebanon. Reuters has corrected without apology its earlier story that the IDF strafed a funeral procession and updated the report to state that the bombs struck a village at the same time the funeral was taking place, adding that "the air strike was not in the immediate vicinity of the funeral."
UNITED NATIONS Israel is preparing for an "epic battle" during Tuesday's meeting of the United Nations Security Council where diplomats will discuss the best possible solution for a cease-fire, sources tell FOX News. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are pushing to take Lebanon's offer to deploy 15,000 forces into the embattled southern region along with UNIFIL forces to gain stability without an international force there after more than three weeks of intense fighting.
One of 11 missing Egyptian students has been picked up in Minneapolis, Minn., NBC News Pete Williams reported Wednesday. The student was being interviewed by federal investigators, who were trying to find the remaining 10.
