Its the year 2053, and the world looks very different from today. There are no more than 5 superstates left on the face of the planet: Great map of the New World at link. If someone could copy into comments, thanks are yours,
an American Federation, covering the whole of North and South America;
an Indian Confederation, consisting of present-day India and Birma/Myanmar (Bangladesh seems to have disappeared under the sea);
an Asian republic dominated by China, further composed of Mongolia, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand;
an Islamic Caliphate, occupying the whole of Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and Indonesia;
and the Russian Empire, uniting Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all of Europe and Greenland.
all states except the Russian Empire own a slice of Antarctica (I suppose that in exchange, Russia rules the North Pole all by itself).
Thats the thesis of Third Empire, a recently published futuristic novel by Mikhail Yuryev. In the book, Yuryev predicts that the Russian Empire will be re-created in a few decades time. This Third Empire (I presume Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union were the first and second) will obliterate the three Baltic states in 2015 and defeat the USA in the nuclear exchange that many feared for most of the second half of the twentieth century but was thought unthinkable after the end of the Cold War in the 1990s.
Mikhail Yuryev is a Russian businessman, the former chairman of the Russian Governments Council on Economy and Entrepreneurship (1993-1995) and formerly a deputy speaker of the State Duma (1995-1999). He is an ultranationalist, hoping to create a strong Russia which bases itself on Christian Orthodox values. Some quotes from an article by Yuryev, titled Identifying Russias Foes and published on 6 November 2004 in the Komsomolskaya Pravda, may elucidate his stance:
Russia is a great state and must remain as such. This means that our existence as Russians inside Russia, not as nationals of a different country living in this country, however affluent and free it may be, is a value of the highest order.
Developing and consolidating the Russian nation and Orthodoxy, and fostering their interests, which in fact are one and the same thing, constitute the major goal for Russia. It has greater significance for us than the interests of other peoples, or religions in Russia.
It may be small wonder, then, that a reader of the online edition of The Times of London not coincidentally from one of the Baltic republics on May 16, 2007 replied thus to an article about Russias Einzelgang in foreign policy matters:
Just a couple of months ago, a former vice-chancellor of the Russian Duma Mikhail Yuryev published a best-selling novel The Third Empire. ( ) The present advisor to president Putin, Alexander Dugin, states on the back-cover of the book: This is Russia that one should kill and die for. It is clear to anyone who lives near the border of this former bloody empire that we are dealing with the real sentiments and attempts at the resurrection of the Third Russian Reich . So please dont tell the Balts about forgetting their historical garbage. Putins Russia is a threat to all the democratic world.
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Must mean the Euopean Russia side - when the asteroid(s), PLanet(s) X [Russ scientists claim there's THREE], and Moon explodin' circa 2030, etal. knock the Earth off its orbit, and damagez-vous both America + China, whatever hurts the China side also hurts the Russ Central + Russ Far East. EDGAR CAYCE > [Euro?]Russia > "is the hope of the world". D *** NG IT, BUT YOUR BORSCH STOCKS NOW.
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The map will be even more fragmented than it is now. With many small wars going on. Of course, if China is still a functioning country, it will have Siberia.
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NS - The Chinese get Australia because the Russians see the very large Chinese population in Australia as growing enormous by their high birthrates vs. lower birthrates for the other populations in OZ. Also, Chinese Government-owned businesses play no small role in the Aussie economy (they've actually cornered the market in some sectors of the wool production industry).
They're figuring the muzzies (green) will take over Indonesia, and as Steve says, they can have it.
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Because I write for Maclean's, I've had a ton of mail asking what I think about the notorious Canadian magazine cover showing Bush as Saddam. Well, I think it's meretricious bilge and, if anyone in Toronto ever thought to ask my opinion about anything, I'd have told 'em so. And it doesn't seem to be justified by the story. Nothing worse than a tease you can't live up to.
But the idea that Maclean's is some kind of "left-wing magazine" is ridiculous. Maclean's is the Canadian equivalent of Time and Newsweek. No doubt it has its share of ghastly Trudeaupian squishes, but it carries me and the great Barbara Amiel as columnists, which is more than Time or Newsweek do. It's also edited and published by Ken Whyte, who's regarded as way to the right by most of the media establishment. If he was ever appointed editor of Time or Newsweek, Howie Kurtz & co would be writing columns fretting over a right-wing coup placing a disturbing question-mark over the future of a beloved institution, etc.
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I disagree with the great Mark Steyn on this one. Maclean's most definitely IS a "left wing magazine" and has been for a long time. The fact that they employ both Mr. Steyn and Barbara Amiel is not by itself any proof that they are not a "left wing magazine". The main articles they choose to publish and the slant those articles contain are indeed proof of their "leftiness". Many years ago I stopped subscribing to them because of their increasingly lefty slant and have never regretted it.
Over the years they have run way too many articles asking: 1) why there is not more gun control in Canada 2) why should the Canadian public take the conservative movement seriously when we already had the Liberals to take care of our every need 3) why Canadians don't take their social responsibilites seriously by accepting even more taxation from the Liberals.
I have no respect for them at all. I hope they go broke.
"Every African leader I talked to, every single one when I was there, without any prodding from me, said, 'For God sakes, I hope Hillary wins. We don't like disliking America here,'" Bill Clinton said at a fund-raiser for her last month.
"I called the outgoing French president, and he said, 'Oh, tell me Hillary's going to win. I'm so tired of disliking America,'" Bill Clinton told the crowd.
Bill Clinton also quoted the immediate past prime minister of Singapore as saying, "'Please tell me Hillary's going to win. We need America leading the world again.'"
Aides to Jacques Chirac, the former French president, and Goh Chok Tong, Singapore's former prime minister, told The News they could not confirm Bill Clinton's assertions - and, they said, it's general policy to stay out of other countries' elections.
But the Daily News, reporting this, says "Yet none of the leaders the former President cited will back him up." So what are you saying, Bill Clinton's a liar? Oh, my.
But what does this lie/exaggeration/statement imply? Bill Clinton thinks we want to have the President that leaders of other countries will love the most, and we will believe that Hillary Clinton will inspire world love. That's all rather odd.
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The love is free. It's the room that costs $50.
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"I called the outgoing French president, and he said, 'Oh, tell me Hillary's going to win. I'm so tired of disliking America,'" Bill Clinton told the crowd.
And they think Bush is stupid? He's talking to the outgoing French president. Did you check with the incoming French president? Bill then might have noticed that in France and in Germany the Anti-American parties were on their way out, not in. YJCMTSU
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"But what does this lie/exaggeration/statement imply?"
I don't think it "implies" anything; it merely reflects the liberal mind's sincere, moist-eyed belief that the highest, most noble state to which mankind can aspire is to be... Emo.
From the liberal's second most sacred hymn**, People:
People who need people
Are the luckiest people in the world
We're children needing other children
And yet letting our grown-up pride
Hide all the need inside
All the "need" inside; we're just little children. Jeez...
The sorry truth is, Democrats WANT Americans to be needy and insecure, so they can make soothing noises and pretend to "help" us. And anyone who does NOT need their "help"-- or who doesn't give a candy-coated crap whether the "leaders" of all the fetid, basket-case shitholes around the world "love" us or not-- is deemed an enemy.
Fuck you, Hillary.
** -- their most sacred hymn, and the certainly the one without peer in sheer vapidity, is Everything is Beautiful (In It's Own Way).
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*wipes away a tear*
DD - that was beautiful. I could hear that neck vein throbbing. :-)
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I'm sure. Everything is Beautiful (In It's Own Way) and People are the Holiest of Holies. They're all about feelings, after all. Imagine is just cheap anti-Christian propaganda set to music.
"All you need is Love ..."
That's not their anthem, it's just proto-bubblegum poppycock for zoned-out dimbulbs (i.e., half our generation).
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This kind of crap makes me want to go buy another case of ammunition.
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"the world will love us again if we elect Hillary"
'Cuz she's such a lovable person donchaknow.
People in the White House staff said every second word out of Hillary's mouth was "f**k". Apparently the MSM worked overtime to keep her looking charming.
She continuously insulted and abused her Secret Service bodyguards. And that doesn't count the lamps and other furniture she threw at Bill.
Al
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makes sense - Hillary's M.O. is "Love me or else" ask Vince Foster
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"And that doesn't count the lamps and other furniture she threw at Bill."
Well, did she actually score a hit with any of those? I'd like to know if the Demo's 'anointed' does have good aim, at least.
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Some aspire to the most powerful job on earth because they feel they can LEAD, some because they think they can save the Nation. Ahh, but the Klintons; their only desire is to RULE and subjegate (they already have the power via their proxies). It would be Arkanscide at the National level if we were to allow this harpie to squirm her way upstream to POTUS. She's spinning, triangulating, cajoling, faking, comprimising the USA and avoiding inconvenient discourse. The real, yet invisible, powers of evil, hover around the klintons wherever they go. Don't be afraid. Be aware. Fight them. Pray for the USofA
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FREEREPUBLIC/DRUDGE > Dubya reportedly says Hillary will win the Dem POTUS nomination for 2008. NOT Obama, but believes Hillary will still lose the final elex to the GOP nominee. *Reminder - HILLARY > "Iff BUSH DOES'T END THE WAR, I[she] WILL".
SALIENT POINTS OF THE POLICIES AND VIEWS OF THE JI (AS INDICATED IN THE INTERVIEW)
1. A woman has no right to an independent life outside her family. She can be educated, but not to enable her to compete with men. She has no role to play in war or in politics. On coming to power, the JI would abolish the voting rights of women and the religious minorities. However, this would not now be announced as a policy lest women and the minorities, who have these rights presently, vote against the JI.
2. The JI would levy a special tax ("jizya") on the religious minorities in order to force them to embrace Islam. Both monetary and psychological pressures would be used to make the religious minorities become Muslims.
3. After the destruction of the Babri Masjid in India in December,1992, the JI was actively involved in destroying the Hindu temples in Punjab and Sindh. It ordered the destruction of Hindu family property also. For each Hindu temple destroyed, a Muslim moves one step closer to Allah. Babar was a true Muslim and,hence,destroyed the Ram temple in Ayodhya. Muslims in Pakistan and India should emulate his example.
4. Under the JI, the present Pakistani Constitution would be abrogated and a Caliphate set up in Pakistan. It would be ruled by a presidium consisting of the senior leaders of the JI and the chiefs of the armed forces. The Qazi would be designated as the Caliph. The Sharia would be its Constitution and only those who had studied in religious madrassas would be recruited to the judiciary.
5. The JI is highly impressed by the policies of the Taliban on women's role, rights of religious minorities and law and order and would emulate them. The JI has already reached an agreement in principle with the Taliban that once Islamic rule has been set up in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan would form an Islamic Union.
6. The JI's motto is permanent jihad to set up an Islamic empire extending from Myanmar to Afghanistan and from Sri Lanka to Tajikistan. In this permanent jihad, the JI would use all tactics including terrorism in the kafir-controlled areas and negotiations in the Muslim-controlled areas.
7. Once the JI captures power in Pakistan and conquers India, bringing Sri Lanka and Myanmar into the Islamic empire should not be difficult. The faith of the Buddhists in their religion is not as strong as that of the Hindus in theirs and, hence, with a little pressure, it should be easier to make the Buddhists of Sri Lanka and Myanmar embrace Islam.
8. The Muslim rulers of India could not make the Hindus embrace Islam because they depended on Hindu advisers and bureaucrats for running the administration and did not use force for conversion. Once the JI conquers India, it would declare India an Islamic Republic, abolish the voting rights of non-Muslims and use terror, if necessary, to force the non-Muslims embrace Islam.
9. It was through the skilful use of terror that the percentage of Hindus in Pakistan's population was brought down from 15 per cent in 1947 to less than one per cent at present. Similar terror would be used against the Hindus, Christians and other non-Muslims in India.
10. The JI does not consider the over 120 million Muslims of India as true Muslims because they have voluntarily chosen to live under non-Muslim rule and eat the foodgrains produced by the Hindu farmers. For a true Muslim, it is better to live under a bad Muslim ruler than under a good non-Muslim ruler. The Hindu farmers offer their harvests to their Gods before selling or eating them. How can a true Muslim eat foodgrains that have already been offered to a God other than Allah?
11. It is for these reasons that the JI is not bothered if the Indian Muslims die in communal riots. However, despite this, the JI considers those Indian Muslims who support Pakistan and work and die for the glory of the Islamic Ummah as true Muslims.
12. Islam does not prohibit slavery so long as one treats slaves with kindness. Slavery is still in vogue in Saudi Arabia. On coming to power, the JI would, therefore, re-introduce slavery and lay down that only non-Muslims could be used as slaves. All the non-Muslims of India, Sri Lanka and Myanmar, who refused to embrace Islam, would be declared as slaves and sold by the State to the Muslims, who can afford them. They would be emancipated whenever they agree to embrace Islam.
13. The Hindus are a corrupting influence in Saudi Arabia and other countries of the Gulf. They should not be allowed to work in those countries. It is outrageous on the part of the Governments of Yemen and Qatar to have allowed the construction of Hindu temples in their territory. It is even more outrageous that some Muslims of Qatar visit the Hindu temple, that a member of the royal family attended the inauguration of the temple and that one of the powerful members of the Qatar royal family is a devotee of the Hindu God Ayyappan. If Islam is to be purified, all such Hindu influences should be eradicated.
14. The JI would make the conversion of a Muslim to another religion a criminal offence punishable with death for the Muslim who embraces the other religion as well as for the person who converted him.
15. Religion is far superior to science. Whatever man needs to know is already contained in the holy Quran and the Hadiths. It is not, therefore, necessary for man to know more.
16. Science sows the seeds of doubt in the minds of Muslims regarding the validity of the holy Quran as the word of God and, hence, should not be encouraged.
17. Photography is the greatest evil produced by science. The Taliban has already banned it in Afghanistan and the JI would do so in Pakistan except for use in passports and identity cards. (Comments: The Taliban and the JI consider photography as evil because, according to them, it has made men and women aware of the physical attraction of each other)
18. All the existing languages of Pakistan would be banned and only Arabic, the divine language, would be allowed to be used. The JI is already heavily funding the spread of the knowledge of Arabic in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
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Babar was a true Muslim and,hence,destroyed the Ram temple in Ayodhya.
Never did trust that damned elephant.
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They mention the destruction of the Babri mosque by Hindus. That mosque was built on a Hindu temple. Similarly, the Ottomans added minarets to the "Hagia Sophia" ("Holy Wisdom") Cathedral in Constantinople thus turning it into a mosque. I can see where maintaining a mosque built under those conditions would be offensive to people other faiths.
As for destruction of mosques, Saudi Arabia gave Bosnia $30,000,000 to tear down Ottoman mosques, and rebuild them according to Wahabi doctrine.
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Under the JI, the present Pakistani Constitution would be abrogated and a Caliphate set up in Pakistan. It would be ruled by a presidium consisting of the senior leaders of the JI and the chiefs of the armed forces. The Qazi would be designated as the Caliph. The Sharia would be its Constitution and only those who had studied in religious madrassas would be recruited to the judiciary.
After which there would begin an immediate campaign of carpet bombing.
I discussed the military mind during President Ayub Khans period last week. Let us now turn to the succeeding period, by relying upon Brig A R Siddiqis recollections, East Pakistan: The Endgame, An Onlookers Journal: 1969-71; Siddiqi served as the presidents press advisor.
Siddiqis narrative begins when Ayub, fatigued by nationwide protests over his ten year rule, asked the army chief to fulfil his constitutional duties and declare martial law. General Yahya Khan, in his first address to the nation on March 25, 1969 said that only the armed forces can restore sanity and put the country back on the road to progress in a civil and constitutional manner. Thus unfolded an oxymoronic drama that continues to this day.
The landslide victory of the Awami League caught the military off-guard. In February, in connivance with Zulfiqar Ali Bhuttos PPP, the generals delayed the convening of the National Assembly, triggering large scale protests in East Pakistan.
Bhutto fatuously suggested Pakistan needed two prime ministers and threatened to break the legs of anyone who went to Dhaka. Behind the scenes, the GHQ put Plan B into place, envisioning military action. It spelled the death knell, not just for democracy, but for Jinnahs Pakistan.
On March 6, 1971, as events spun out of control, Yahya said that the armed forces were honour-bound to ensure the integrity, solidarity and security of Pakistana duty in which they have never failed. Operation Searchlight was launched on March 25, 1971, which was also the second anniversary of the second martial law. Mujibur Rehman, the only Awami League leader to be captured, was brought to West Pakistan. By imprisoning him, the generals thought they had routed the enemy.
In the months to come, they denied that a civil war was taking place. By this time, writes Siddiqi, The army had ... gone berserk. Young officers had become trigger-happy.
The army began conducting murderous sweeps in which whole villages were targeted. The whiff of grapeshot had turned into a fusillade of death. General Niazi did not deny that rapes were being carried out and opined, in a Freudian tone, You cannot expect a man to live, fight, and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex, can you?
In the midst of bedlam, there appeared a macabre joke, a government documentary called, The Great Betrayal. It was intended to show the evils carried out by the miscreants. But the footage of human skulls even irked Yahyas sensitivities. He asked, How could you differentiate between the two skulls Bengalis and non-Bengalis? I am damned if I can tell one from the other.
As the insurgency expanded, black protest flags replaced the national flag everywhere except in the cantonments. A furious general told Siddiqi, No national army in the world has ever been subjected to such public humiliation, but never wondered why matters had come to such a sorry pass.
In June, Yahya told the nation, No government worth its name could allow the country to be destroyed by open and armed rebellion against the State. The armys onslaught continued to no avail. Finally, in November 1971, Mujib was sentenced to death.
A Crush India campaign was initiated in West Pakistan, since that was how the army intended to defend the Eastern wing. An effete top brass boasted of taking on India and defeating it.
On December 3, Siddiqi was given a coded signal, The balloon has gone up i.e. Pakistan Air Force had launched sorties into India. When he asked Air Marshal Rahim to justify the raids, he retorted, Success is the biggest justification. My birds should be right over Agra by now, knocking the hell out of them.
At GHQ, thinking they had won the war, the generals ordered a round of drinks in an unbroken chain. Imagining himself in a bar-room brawl, one gloated, We will give the enemy a broken nose. Even a teetotaller colonel who worked with Siddiqi had a couple of stiff ones and downed them straight.
An army thrust was directed at Indian forces in Ramgarh, from where Delhi was going to be an easy target. It suffered a serious setback. Even Chamb, the prize of the 1965 war, was not taken. The much awaited counter-offensive under General Tikka never took off.
It did not take the Chinese military attaché in Islamabad long to conclude that the war had come to an end, The Indians are holding you on, waiting to get it over with in East Pakistan.
As the denouement loomed, Gul Hassan asked Siddiqi to do his usual PR stuff. When the latter said he was at a loss for words, he was scripted, The army was out-numbered, out-gunned but not out-classed. Cut off from its main base, it did what could be expected from the best of armies.
On December 16, 1971, a terse statement was read on Radio Pakistan: Under an arrangement between the commanders of India and Pakistan in the eastern theatre, Indian troops have entered Dhaka and fighting has ceased in East Pakistan.
Siddiqi says that the endgame was the inevitable consequence of military mismanagement. There was some poetic justice. Yahya was dismissed and put under house arrest. The Supreme Court ruled that he was a usurper who treated the country like chattel. He developed paralysis and died in August 1979 after a prolonged illness. Hamid outlived Yahya by a number of years but died unsung and un-mourned.
But Siddiqi fails to note that there was no real justice. The independent commission report that had looked into the debacle recommended that Yahya and eleven generals who had caused the dismemberment of the country be court-martialled, saying it was not enough to retire them. The military suppressed the report for thirty years. One day, it suddenly popped up on the other side of the hill.
Ahmad Faruqui, an American economist, is the author of Rethinking the National Security of Pakistan, Ashgate Publishing, UK
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You cannot expect a man to live, fight, and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex, can you?
News that hundreds of thousands of Bengali women and girls had been raped by Pakistani soldiers reached Lahore.
The society ladies were heard to say "Well at least the babies will be fair complexioned"
The whiff of grapeshot had turned into a fusillade of death
Fusillade hardly describes it. The Pakistani Army would tie together victims near a river bank, so close together that one bullet would kill several people. The entire 'raft' of people would then be dumped into the river. In this manner more than one million Benaglis perished.
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Cheeze. Like we need even one more reason to blot Pakistan from the face of this earth.
"In what became province-wide acts of genocide, Hindus were sought out and killed on the spot. As a matter of course, soldiers would check males for the obligated circumcision among Moslems. If circumcised, they might live; if not, sure death."
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"Kill three million of them," said President Yahya Khan at the February conference, "and the rest will eat out of our hands." (Robert Payne, Massacre [1972]
In the dead region surrounding Dacca, the military authorities conducted experiments in mass extermination in places unlikely to be seen by journalists. At Hariharpara, a once thriving village on the banks of the Buriganga River near Dacca, they found the three elements necessary for killing people in large numbers: a prison in which to hold the victims, a place for executing the prisoners, and a method for disposing of the bodies. The prison was a large riverside warehouse, or godown, belonging to the Pakistan National Oil Company, the place of execution was the river edge, or the shallows near the shore, and the bodies were disposed of by the simple means of permitting them to float downstream. The killing took place night after night. Usually the prisoners were roped together and made to wade out into the river. They were in batches of six or eight, and in the light of a powerful electric arc lamp, they were easy targets, black against the silvery water. The executioners stood on the pier, shooting down at the compact bunches of prisoners wading in the water. There were screams in the hot night air, and then silence. The prisoners fell on their sides and their bodies lapped against the shore. Then a new bunch of prisoners was brought out, and the process was repeated. In the morning the village boatmen hauled the bodies into midstream and the ropes binding the bodies were cut so that each body drifted separately downstream.
R.J. Rummel writes,
The human death toll over only 267 days was incredible. Just to give for five out of the eighteen districts some incomplete statistics published in Bangladesh newspapers or by an Inquiry Committee, the Pakistani army killed 100,000 Bengalis in Dacca, 150,000 in Khulna, 75,000 in Jessore, 95,000 in Comilla, and 100,000 in Chittagong. For eighteen districts the total is 1,247,000 killed. This was an incomplete toll, and to this day no one really knows the final toll. Some estimates of the democide [Rummel's "death by government"] are much lower -- one is of 300,000 dead -- but most range from 1 million to 3 million. ... The Pakistani army and allied paramilitary groups killed about one out of every sixty-one people in Pakistan overall; one out of every twenty-five Bengalis, Hindus, and others in East Pakistan. If the rate of killing for all of Pakistan is annualized over the years the Yahya martial law regime was in power (March 1969 to December 1971), then this one regime was more lethal than that of the Soviet Union, China under the communists, or Japan under the military (even through World War II). (Rummel, Death By Government, p. 331.)
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The Indian Army's T-55 tanks on their way to Dhaka
Pakistan's Lt. Gen A. A. K. Niazi signs the instrument of surrender on December 16, surrendering his forces to Lt. Gen Jagjit Singh Aurora
Pakistani issued stamp
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The Pakistanis have never gotten over the fact that a Hindu Brahmin woman PM, a Dalit ('untouchable') defence minister, a Zoroastrian Army Chief, A Jewish theatre commander and a Sikh spearhead commander dismembered their country.
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The Pak brag at the time was that one Pak soldier was worth seven Indians.
That worked well.
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Benazir Bhutto recalls being taught at school in West Pakistan that "East Pakistanis are short, dark and eat rice, whilst West Pakistanis are tall, fair and eat wheat"
Said Pakistan General Niazi, "It was a low lying land of low lying people".
Having dehumanized the Bengalis, the majority being fellow Muslims, it was easy for the Pakistanis to kill their fellow countrymen.
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The Pakistanis have never gotten over the fact that a Hindu Brahmin woman PM, a Dalit ('untouchable') defence minister, a Zoroastrian Army Chief, A Jewish theatre commander and a Sikh spearhead commander dismembered their country.
How supremely appropriate. It puts paid to the much vaunted advantages of being "Islamically pure". May India continue to break free from the archaic chains that burden her worthy progress into modern times. It is simply tragic how India must struggle forward with a vicious Pakistani monkey on her back that the entire world should have throttled long ago.
Biggest surprise? ABC News, thats MSM!, reports this on their web site
The so-called "white tree" at Jena High, often reported to be the domain of only white students, was nothing of the sort, according to teachers and school administrators; students of all races, they say, congregated under it at one time or another.
Two nooses not three were found dangling from the tree. Beyond being offensive to blacks, the nooses were cut down because black and white students "were playing with them, pulling on them, jump-swinging from them, and putting their heads through them," according to a black teacher who witnessed the scene.
There was no connection between the September noose incident and December attack, according to Donald Washington, an attorney for the U.S. Justice Department in western Louisiana, who investigated claims that these events might be race-related hate crimes.
The three youths accused of hanging the nooses were not suspended for just three days they were isolated at an alternative school for about a month, and then given an in-school suspension for two weeks.
The six-member jury that convicted Bell was, indeed, all white. However, only one in 10 people in LaSalle Parish is African American, and though black residents were selected randomly by computer and summoned for jury selection, none showed up.
Most townsfolk interpreted the events of last year pretty much the same way that a small minority of troublemakers, both black and white, got out of hand, and that the responses from authorities weren't always on the mark.
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The Crocketts, who are black, have complained to police that Bell (one of the Jena 6) and other youngsters were causing trouble in their neighborhood scratching cars with keys, breaking the windows of parked cars, spraying property with paint.
Jesse Jackson, Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton and the other so-called race baiting Black poverty pimps Leaders LIED to the public as did the Liberals who are using them to step-n-fetchit for political purposes treating them like good little "house n....rs". Its disgusting that nobody is calling Jackson and Sharpton out as LIARS, and the Liberals being called out for abusing Blacks like this in pursuit of a replay of the civil rights on behalf of some thugs. They need to take their own advice and MOVE ON.
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When will Al Sharpton be held accoutnable for his lies?
And if this had been 6 white boys beating a black one so severely his got a concussionand had one eye swollen shut, you better beleive they;d call it a ahate crime. So why do the Jena 6 get a pass? Hmm?
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Jackson was present when Rev M L King was assassinated. He chose to wear the same blood spattered shirt for 2 days after the killing. Anyone with class wouldn't use an event like that for self-promotion.
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YOU FEEL BETTER NOW OldSpook?? I'm surprised you didn't recommend taking the 1 in 10 black populous TO THE MISSISSIPPI AND FLING THEM IN! Despite the inaccuracies by Jesse or Sharpton, history has shown what whites tend to do when they feel black males 'fraternize' with their little girls; even hiding an entire town incident (Rosewood) for 80 years because of such shame. OldSpook, you need to pause an check yourself, Reassure white people, caution them more so, on the Columbine type white youth and their idiosyncrasies that kill more kids white and black in this country, than the schoolyard brawl in Jena. You want those black boys to die; encourage them to join the military, go to Iraq and fight for their country. And finally, the DA is a racist, and he should be fired just like Mike Niphong was from the Duke rape case, but I'm not sure if there is a fair white person in Jena or that parish to hold up the "scales of blind justice"!
#7
What I do know is that the strength of the American experience is that we promote a shared identity that makes room for our family backgrounds and heritage.
This comes dangerously close to diversity worship for may taste. The strength of America has been that it believes all men are created equal and that government should provide equal justice under law. These ideals are not always lived up to, but they are still sought after. Family backgrounds and heritage should be irrelevant to Americans. And plenty of orphans grow up to be successful Americans without them. Each person should be judged on his or her merits alone. We need to start treating people as individuals and not as group members. The great crime of Jackson, Sharpton, et al is that they pursue anti-American tribal and clan group policies instead of American individualistic policies.
#8
Anyone who has a bit of gray material, should by now, know -
1 - the media lies or is so wrapped up with its entertainment value that it can not be trusted to present all the facts so that a reasonable person can adjudge what the hell is happening. Remember for the media, the narrative is what is important.
2 - that means before coming to a conclusion or a position on the subject that as much data gathering must occur which is not reliant upon one or two forms of media. That means we have to work at this end. Life is tough. It's a lot tougher if you're stupid.
3 - When the usual 'suspects' are on scene, it means you'd better well take a deep breath, cause prior behaviors certainly is an indicator of future behaviors, though not conclusively. It's a red button marked pause.
#9
Family backgrounds and heritage should be irrelevant to Americans.
Not sure that's possible - or a good thing in all cases.
I look at the large contingent of my father's side of our family who served in combat and/or took on military careers when it was neither the most popular nor the most lucrative option open to them. And I know that one reason they did so was both the family's history elsewhere and the values they brought from that culture.
I see the same thing among many Hispanics who are serving today. And Blacks too.
What I don't promote is 'multiculti'. Multiculturalism says we have one identity which trumps the dominant culture. Jackson and Sharpton buy into that. So do the PC crowd. Under that model being Black is inherently at odds with the majority culture. Being female is inherently at odds with the male dominated business world. If you only have one identity then you justify grabbing as much as possible for 'your own', which is just what the Sharptons and Jacksons do.
They're wrong.
The way the Eastern Europeans integrated into America was to serve in uniform and labor in heavy industry -- and to gather on the weekends at the Ukrainian Fellowship Club or the Polish Hall in hundreds of blue collar towns throughout the east and midwest. Same with the Irish. Same with many Japanese and Chinese on the west coast, although the racial dimension and the history of wide swings re: immigration shaped that differently.
There was a time when African American cadets at West Point called themselves the "fifth regiment" and saw themselves as apart from the wider corps. The Colonel I mentioned did a lot to diffuse that, insisting that they get to know and respect other cultures (including middle class white culture). And, importantly, that those cultures get to know and understand the history which produced those Black cadets as well. And the 5th regiment is not nearly so divisive a reality now, as a result.
I think the model holds. BOTH ends of the tension between a generic American identity and roots in ones heritage are valuable. Neither should be allowed to deny the other.
#10
but I'm not sure if there is a fair white person in Jena or that parish, to hold up the "scales of blind justice"!
Posted by: smn|| 2007-09-23 04:14 ||Comments Top||
Here's some Los Angeles style "blind jurists justice" justice for you. Jury selection began 24 September, 13 years ago.
Some other facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that ******** was less likely to be a murderer because he was a *********** ******. The racial composition of the initial jury pool differed considerably from the racial compostion of the final jury. The pool was 40% white, 28% black, 17% Hispanic, and 15% Asian.
#14
I liked him better when he was only bothering us with theories about Israel using tactical nukes in Syria when there is no evidence supporting it whatsoever, nor any evidence that Syria ever brought in the expertise or equiptment to build a hardened, underground facility. The idea of Israel letting the nuclear cat out of the bag so they can bomb an outhouse is ridiculous. So is the idea that Russia may potentially go to war against Israel over Iran. As if Russia gives a damn about Iran beyond making money.
Save your get whitey crap for the Kos.
Posted by: Mike N. ||
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#15
smn... a question, please; how do you know the actual colors of any of us on the internet? Those who have not specifically identified ourselves, that is.
#16
Mike N, I'm glad you stipulated the money angle in Russia's desire to help their 'friend' Iran, otherwise, Putin being the first Soviet to visit there has raised eyebrows especially during these times of crisis. Go ahead hate me for my 'contribututions', but when the 'dare' comes down the pike, I'll be sitting back with the rest of you, watching the Rantburgers tally hundreds of opins over the gall!! http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1304
#17
sorry, smn - no "take-backs" - you've been noted and recognized. Freudian slips can be damaging, can't they?
Posted by: Frank G ||
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#18
Sgt. MOM, Blacks in general and perhaps even other minorities 'waiting in the wings', appreciate the efforts of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They are the 'little chihuahuas that yelp in the backyard'; 'poodles that go nuts when the doorbell rings', when matters concerning minorities are foreshadowed by racist intent by the white majority. We all here know, but don't want to admit it, that the source hatred started when the star black players were cheered and perhaps smiled at by the schools white girls; the young white males instead of perhaps doing what Pappy suggested (#13), decided to take the destructive course and viola!! Jesse in Jena, Sharpton in Jena yapping like little terriers to alert the rest of us (outsiders)!!
#19
Well, Jesse and the Rev. Al would make me run the other way, just on general principles... but you still haven't answered my question.
How do you know the colors of any of us on Rantburg, who haven't made any specific mention of our racial/ethnic/religious background?
You seem to suppose that the Rantburgundians are all lily-white WASP and that the dating preferences of our offspring are along the racial lines of which Nathaniel Bedford Forrest would approve.
Curious.
Do you hold an Olympic medal for conclusion-jumping?
Inquiring minds want to know.
#20
Frank G, you and OldSpook, are not going to get me to deny my education, nor my abilities. Should I feel insulted on the academic level, I shall gladly withdraw and 'read' the opinions of others, keeping my rich content to myself. No damage done!!
#21
Sgt Mom makes a good point. You are presuming a good deal about the commenters here.
And - you are presuming to speak for my minority friends, pretty much all of whom detest Jackson and Sharpton and are pretty scathing in their dissections of them.
#22
Wow, all this talk about racist.....
I looked thru the constitution, and I can't find where its against the law to be a racist.
So, racist is just another politically correct bullshit terminology. Another cleaver way the media has developed to separate Americans like abortion and global warming. Meaningless, pointless issues leveraged only at class warfare and the senseless loathing associated with it. Take our eyes off the real issues with a good dirty racial fight, and lather up the black vote for another senseless trip to democrat land to sign up for pitence and the occasional pat on the head.
These issues are learning tools, and I intend to use 'em. So, join me youse racists, vote republican, vote Rudy, vote for America, not Greater Hispanola.
#23
smn, I don't hate you for your contributions, I disrespect you for some of your "opinions" and think some of your analysis goes so far that it borders on laughable, but I most certainly do not hate you.
Rantburg is a place where everyone can share their thoughts and be called on them from time to time.
Posted by: Mike N. ||
09/23/2007 20:12 Comments ||
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#24
smn, the syndicated columnist and economics professor Walter E. Williams doesn't agree with the race baiting tactics of the reverends Sharpton and Jackson. Nor does a certain Supreme Court Justice, nor one of my best girlfriends back in high school, who is now a terribly successful lawyer in Davis, California. Granted, the last on the list grew up in a terribly safe university suburb with one of the the then-best public high schools in the country rather than a city ghetto or a racist small town (Mr. Wife worked really hard to teach me to lock the front door after we got married, but he grew up in Lackawanna, where they did things like that), so perhaps we'd best not count her as really black.
I'm Jewish, which makes me a minority, but I don't agree with the good Reverends either. I'm female, which for some reason makes me a victim category if not an actual minority, but I still don't agree with the good Reverends. I'm the child of immigrants, which makes me a plurality, and still I don't agree.
Dear smn, I don't ask you to deny your education, nor your abilities, which I am eagerly awaiting you unfolding before us. But on this question you'd be wise to admit to the possibility of being wrong, or at least the impoliteness of insisting that you are right in this particular, very mixed company.
#26
wxjames, racist opinions are as valid as any other for which there is no basis in fact. That isn't the point. Expressing such opinions to a mixed audience is decidedly rude, and rudeness results in calls for pistols at dawn, whereas opposing opinions call for a punch in the nose, hopefully followed by a beer together to wash off the bloody snot.
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