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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Drug Dealer Under House Arrest Begs For Jail To Escape Nagging Wife
Police say a 32-year-old Tunisian man serving time under house arrest for drug related charges, made a break for it last Tuesday, but he wasn't looking for freedom. He was looking to escape his wife. Walid Chaabani reportedly fled from his home in Livorno, directly and intentionally, into the arms of the Carabinieri which is the national military police of Italy. Once in police custody, Chaabani requested to serve the rest of sentence behind bars.

Police said he was “tired of continuously fighting with his wife” and “asked explicitly to be put back in prison." According to the statement released by police, "Living with his wife was particularly difficult and unbearable."

The local court accommodated the weary man and issued an imprisonment order that same day. He was then taken by police to the district prison where he will serve out the rest of his sentence...in peace.

In June of 2013, a 19-year-old man under house arrest requested imprisonment because he was "sick of playing Xbox."
Posted by: Beavis || 01/07/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

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Posted by: Black Charlie || 01/07/2014 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  There are obvious limits to the mental anguish a Muslim man can endure. I recommend Mr. Chaabini consider sending his wife on a 5 day girly-getaway to Tuscany.

Posted by: Besoeker || 01/07/2014 3:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, that picture of Moochelle is precious.

But unless Chaabani's wife is as formidable as Ms. O, couldn't he just cane her?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/07/2014 11:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Ms O. in 2 KO.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/07/2014 16:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Moochelle stayed in Hawaii at the last minute, causing all kinds of trouble with the security=ty division, Wonder why. )Grin)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/07/2014 16:51 Comments || Top||

#6  I think I'd rather stay in Denmark myself.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/07/2014 20:05 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Naked man rescued from washing machine in Australia
[FORCESPENPALS.CO.UK] A man in Australia had to be pulled from a washing machine while totally naked after a game of hide and seek went seriously wrong.

The man is said to have taken to the machine in a bid to hide from his fellow players, only to find he could not get out.

It took around 20 minutes for rescuers to assist him in getting out of the appliance. They are even believed to have used olive oil as a lubricant to ease his escape.

Sergeant Michelle De Araugo explained "it was just a game gone wrong" and that "it would be fair to say the gentleman was very embarrassed". Few details about the individual involved have been released.

The incident occurred in the town of Mooroopna, north of Melbourne, on Saturday (January 4th).

Another unnamed officer had a few words of advice for anyone else who might be thinking of pulling a similar stunt, noting it is always best to avoid using appliances during hide and seek.
Posted by: Fred || 01/07/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
He may have been dreaming of mermaids at the time of his inspiration, "gee, lets hide in the washing machine"

Posted by: Black Charlie || 01/07/2014 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  They are even believed to have used olive oil as a lubricant to ease his escape.

Just happened to have an extra bottle nearby did they ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/07/2014 4:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Besoeker, Olive oil was the oil the Mayflower Pilgrims came with and is the only a civilized man would consider to use.
Posted by: JFM || 01/07/2014 10:15 Comments || Top||

#4  He just needed a bath.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/07/2014 10:49 Comments || Top||

#5  It was a simple mistake. He though it was the latest chinese made bidet, and was surprised at the thoroughness of the cleaning.
Posted by: ed in texas || 01/07/2014 11:07 Comments || Top||

#6  I remember a Newfoundlander song about a Giant in My Maytag.....
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/07/2014 11:09 Comments || Top||

#7  It was either claim to be playing hide and seek or to admit what he was really doing with the washing machine . . . .
Posted by: gorb || 01/07/2014 11:22 Comments || Top||

#8  Alaska Paul. is this the song ?

Posted by: Unaise Sproing3628 || 01/07/2014 11:32 Comments || Top||

#9  JFM, you can't fry a turkey in olive oil. Peanut oil rules
Posted by: Beavis || 01/07/2014 11:34 Comments || Top||

#10  you can't fry a turkey in olive oil.

Yes we can!!! But turkeys are supposed to be roasted in an oven not fried. About peanut oil, it is unamerican (cf the Mayflower) and without peanut oil Jimmy Carter would have never become President. Name a single olive producer who has been a worst President than Jimmy Carter. :-)
Posted by: JFM || 01/07/2014 11:48 Comments || Top||

#11  Was he agitated before or after he got stuck?
Posted by: KBK || 01/07/2014 13:03 Comments || Top||

#12  I've seen commercials where a Girl jumps out of a washer, bit tight for a man. (Specially after seeing a naked Girl)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/07/2014 16:46 Comments || Top||

#13  I'm wid #1.

Its clear that Aussie laws disallowing men from washing machines + nekkid mermaids are clearly NOT being enforced.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/07/2014 21:55 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Parents call police for help, cops show up and kill their 18-year-old son
[DAILYCALLER] Two North Carolina parents are in shock after local police shot and killed their 18-year-old son in their own home, while they watched helplessly.

The family called police because they were worried about their son, Keith Vidal, who is schizophrenic and suffers from depression, according to local news. Vidal, armed with a small screwdriver, was apparently having a psychotic episode. Mark Wilsey, Vidal's father, called the authorities to help deal with the situation.

Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, "we don't have time for this," and shot Vidal, killing him
An officer from the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office and another from the Boiling Spring Lakes police department showed up to the house soon after. Eventually, a third officer from the Southport police department entered the home as well, and ordered the use of tasers to subdue Vidal. According to Wilsey, Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, "we don't have time for this," and shot Vidal, killing him.

Vidal had just turned 18, and weighed a mere 90 pounds. He couldn't have hurt anyone with the screwdriver, and had no history of violence according to family and friends.

"There was no reason to shoot this kid," said Wilsey in a statement. "They killed my son in cold blood. We called for help and they killed my son."
Posted by: Fred || 01/07/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I believe this story has shades of "Old Yeller" weaving through it.

Posted by: Black Charlie || 01/07/2014 1:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Story smells. Smells ambulance chasing.
Posted by: JFM || 01/07/2014 6:51 Comments || Top||

#3  ...maybe, but our local police have their fair share of Barney Fifes, who should only have one bullet in their shirt pocket. You get what you can afford in the constabulary. As you allude to with the lawyers, sometimes saving pennies costs the taxpayers big dollars.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/07/2014 8:43 Comments || Top||

#4  It's going to kill the case if he weighed 200 pounds and had a knife. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to make these claims if they aren't reasonable.

Something very bad happened.
Posted by: gorb || 01/07/2014 11:20 Comments || Top||

#5  He weighed 90 pounds and had a screwdriver.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/07/2014 12:13 Comments || Top||

#6  The way I understand it the police have an escallation protocol. If the cop felt threatened it doesn't really matter the size or weapon.

Hate to blame the parents but what did they want the police to do? They should have called teh kids psychiatrist or something.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 01/07/2014 14:40 Comments || Top||

#7  From now on, I'll take care of these things myself.
Posted by: gorb || 01/07/2014 16:05 Comments || Top||

#8  That Cop badly needs Jail, there's no reason to "Barney Fife" On the kid.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/07/2014 16:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Schizophrenic, psychotic episode, and a screwdriver? This could also have been like dealing with someone on PCP or 'bath salts', rather than an overreaction to a kid flailing around, which would make sense if the parents were unable to control such a slight young man as described in the article.

I'd want a good deal more information before I'd feel comfortable drawing any conclusions.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/07/2014 17:29 Comments || Top||

#10  The way the article paints the picture this is nothing less than straight execution.
My Two questions would be; does this twat think he's Judge Dread and does the state sanction this.
Posted by: Filet-o-fish || 01/07/2014 18:13 Comments || Top||

#11  Here is another local link: http://www.wect.com/story/24367610/new-details-911-report-shows-officer-shot-teen-seconds-after-arriving
The short version is that police had been on scene for almost 15 minutes and had apparently de-escalated the situation when the Southport officer arrived, according to the 911 calls timeline, the boy was shot 70 seconds later. I'm usually pretty pro-police, but if this story is remotely accurate, the Southport officer should be charged with 2nd degree murder.
Posted by: Chantry || 01/07/2014 18:14 Comments || Top||

#12  Vidal had just turned 18, and weighed a mere 90 pounds. He couldn't have hurt anyone with the screwdriver…

My cousin, an ex-cop, has battled debilitating neck pain for over a decade after an encounter with the butt end of a billiard cue wielded by a 100 pound woman in her 70’s. Docs told him he’s lucky he isn’t in a wheel chair – or worse.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 01/07/2014 20:31 Comments || Top||

#13  maybe so, but the "we don't have time for this" testimony apparently came from one of the other (honest and good) cops. YMMV
Posted by: Frank G || 01/07/2014 21:00 Comments || Top||

#14  Exactly, Frank. What is this "We don't have time for this" stuff? Was he in a hurry to get to the donut shop or something?

I understand that a 90 pound person can do some damage, but to kill someone because you are in a hurry seems to be criminal. Again, it is possible that there is more to the story than has been reported, but it doesn't look good for the shooter.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 01/07/2014 21:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Gun Sales Hit New Record, Ammo Boom to Follow
Gun records checks, fueled by a post-Newtown boom of gun sales, hit a new high in 2013, and industry analysts expect ammunition to be the big seller this year as consumers catch up to all of those firearms purchases.

More than 21 million applications were run through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System last year, marking nearly an 8 percent increase and the 11th straight year that the number has risen.

Background checks serve as a proxy for the number of gun sales, which soared in the months immediately after the December 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings. But NICS checks plummeted in November and December compared with a year earlier, suggesting that the boom may be over.

“2013 was the best year for firearm sales (commercial, domestic) in history — period! That’s true for NH to Hawaii,” said Richard Feldman, president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association in Rindge, N.H. “Ruger alone sold well over one million guns this year.”

Mr. Feldman said to expect the next surge to be in bullets.

“Ammunition will still be very strong in 2014 as it hasn’t caught up nationally with the demand,” he said.

If ammunition does become the focus for gun owners, that could become another hot-button topic.

Last year, the Homeland Security Department had to explain to Congress its contracts to buy up to 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition.

Some gun owners believed the department was trying to crowd out private consumers in the ammunition market, but federal officials said their purchases amounted to a tiny fraction of the ammunition produced every year.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/07/2014 09:16 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In other news, gun manufacturer will not sell sniper rifles to Pakistan for fear they will be used against American service personnel. . Utah-based company Desert Tech refuses to sell to Paks.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/07/2014 12:40 Comments || Top||


Chicago gun sale ban unconstitutional, judge rules.
[Aypee] U.S. District Judge Edmond E. Chang said in his ruling that while the government has a duty to protect its citizens, it's also obligated to protect constitutional rights, including the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense. However, Chang said he would temporarily stay the effects of his ruling, meaning the ordinances can stand while the city decides whether to appeal.
Hopefully the 'appeal' will not drag on for months or years.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/07/2014 06:49 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In the near future when the Constitution is revised as 2.0, need to make sure that in it is this -

Every pol who votes for measures that in the end are found unconstitutional should be assessed a 'point' just like a driving violation. Five points and you're barred from any future elected or appointed public office.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/07/2014 19:58 Comments || Top||


Government
Colorado's Pot Shops Say They'll Be Sold Out Any Day Now
[BUSINESS.TIME] A few days into the experiment, the new world of legal-recreational-marijuana sales in Colorado appears to be a big success -- so much so that pot shops are finding it impossible to keep up with demand.

According to the Denver Post, at least 37 stores in Colorado were licensed to sell recreational pot to anyone 21 or over as of New Year's Day. The News Agency that Dare Not be Named and others reported long lines outside Denver pot shops, with some eager customers forced to wait three to five hours before getting a chance to go inside, step up to the counter and make a purchase.

Prices have been steep -- in some cases, stores were charging $50 or even $70 for one-eighth of an ounce of pot that cost medical marijuana users just $25 the day before -- and taxes add on an extra 20% or so. Even so, sales have been brisk.

The two operational pot shops in Pueblo collectively sold $87,000 of marijuana on Jan. 1, per the Pueblo Chieftain, and store owners say if demand persists anywhere near the current high, they'll be sold out in the very near future. Likewise, Toni Fox, owner of the 3D Cannabis Center in Denver, told the Colorado Springs Gazette that a sellout is imminent. "We are going to run out," she said on Thursday, Day 2 of legal-recreational-marijuana sales. "It's insane. This weekend will be just as crazy. If there is a mad rush, we'll be out by Monday."
Posted by: Fred || 01/07/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've got a question for Dr. Steve. Aren't all these heavy pot smokers setting themselves up for the same nasty diseases as tobacco users?
Posted by: PBMcL || 01/07/2014 1:01 Comments || Top||

#2  From the Pro-Cannabis Lobby - NORML Cannabis Smoke and Cancer: Assessing the Risk

From the National Institute on Drug Abuse

DrugFacts: Marijuana

Excerpt:

Marijuana use can have a variety of adverse, short- and long-term effects, especially on cardiopulmonary and mental health.

Marijuana raises heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug. This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in older individuals or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.
Posted by: Black Charlie || 01/07/2014 1:22 Comments || Top||

#3  The only people I know whom kept using marijuana into adulthood, but then stopped, did so because they had also experimented or became addicted to harder drugs + ultimately suffered from serious-to-catastrophic health damage.

IMO "legal recreational use" is just another, indirect or roundabaout way of arguing that any + any drug use should be legalized.

Not unlike those whom are now calling for the legal right to marry one or more animals, or engage in pedophilia, polygamy, .......@etc. in follow-up to legal LGBT marriage.

I hope these people are aware that Socialists + Progressives only support these issues to attain political power = Govt control, + that once their -ism becomes permanently entrenched, these very same alternative rights will be taken away from them in the name of GOOD OLE" FASHIONED BUDGET-COST(S) ECONOMY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/07/2014 2:10 Comments || Top||

#4  The induction of particulate matter into the lungs generally is not considered an optimal environment for the main organ of transferring oxygen to the blood in the body.

Commander Shepard: What's your opinion of this? The drugs, I mean.
Legion: These substances enhance short-term performance at the expense of long-term platform survivability. It is fundamentally similar to "over-clocking" geth hardware. We do so whenever necessary. However, should our platform be damaged by overclocking, we can be repaired. Why an organic would choose this is puzzling.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/07/2014 7:47 Comments || Top||

#5  1. Prohibition never works. Not in the 20's, not in jail and not even in Soviet Russia. Repeat after me: it never has and never will work.

2. The war on drugs has cost a fortune, been a never ending excuse for taking away Constitutional rights, packed the jails and accomplished nothing.

3. Legal pot will cause problems, just like legal alcohol, legal vehicles and legal guns cause problems.

4. Countries that have legalized drugs (e.g. Portugal) have seen drug related problems go way, way down.

5. If you are concerned about the users, consider whether it isn't more compassionate to treat drug problems medically rather than criminally.

I understand that some people just can't see their way through to letting adults do what they want. Those people come from both the left and right, and they are each and every one of them dead wrong.
Posted by: Iblis || 01/07/2014 7:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Number of people killed on America's highways and roads, not counting killed by other means, while 'under the influence' since the repeal of Prohibition is far greater than the number killed in America's wars since. There is no perfect. There are only trade offs.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/07/2014 8:13 Comments || Top||

#7  5. If you are concerned about the users, consider whether it isn't more compassionate to treat drug problems medically rather than criminally.


'Treating drug problems medically'....with more drugs provided by big Pharma and Gov't? Yes, that's quite obviously the correct approach.

Posted by: Besoeker || 01/07/2014 8:17 Comments || Top||

#8  My major concern is that unlike typical recreational alcohol use, marijuana shows a much more serious tendency to increase psychological and developmental deficiencies. Legalize it? Ok, but let's not act as if there will not be generational costs, especially developmental ones, that result in a huge demotivated chronic psychological mess in a decade, unless regulation and a ton of research is done concerning all the physical and psychoactive substances present in marijuana, at least to the level of research that has been done for ethanol. Ethanol is a single substance and well known - easy to determine intoxication levels, constant in strength by volume, and well know metabolism. With marijuana, there is no standardization of strength nor intoxication, when inhaled it also brings other possible harmful substance with it, etc. for marijuana there is a large amount of long term risk out there much of which is still unknown, including the "unknown unknowns". Research is needed, and a lot of it. Also compare underage drinking, and imagine the increase in underage drug use with the easier and wider availability of pot now - and remember these are developing minds, that pot has a huge impact on, retarding psychological maturation. I have personally seen pot use demolish kids. So yes legalize it, but don't be stupid and expect all sunshine, rainbows and unicorn farts. There will be negative and serious consequences.

Be careful what you ask for, you may get it but not what you thought you were getting.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/07/2014 10:06 Comments || Top||

#9  "So yes legalize it, but don't be stupid and expect all sunshine, rainbows and unicorn farts."

This is my 2584th comment. You all know I'm as hard right as it gets. This is not about rainbows and unicorns. OS is correct - legalization is no panacea. We are trading one set of problems for another. My belief is that it's a good trade.

And a special note to P2K - tens of thousand of auto deaths each year is a terrible price to pay -- but how many want prohibition back? Trade offs indeed.
Posted by: Iblis || 01/07/2014 10:28 Comments || Top||

#10  If you want to stop the use of wacky tobacky just have Phillip Morris start to sell it; the left hate that company.
Posted by: Airandee || 01/07/2014 10:45 Comments || Top||

#11  I remember an article on long term effects of Marijuana. The main take away was that THC was ten (10) times as likely to cause cancer as the same amount as nicotine. fortunately most people do not use as much marijuana as tobacco. Smoking Marijuana and tobacco had a greater effect than additive effect.

Given the costs to society of smoking tobacco, I do not see the logic in legalizing something that is 10x as dangerous.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 01/07/2014 11:00 Comments || Top||

#12  This risk may be greater in older individuals or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

Shucks. I guess I better not.

But make no mistake, legal marijuana will find its way into the lungs of children. Oh, and think of all those Air Force cadets. Yeahhhhhh.

Lemme ask you this: If you work in the HR department of an airline company, are you gonna think twice about hiring pilots who grew up in Colorado? How about a hospital hiring anesthesiologists?

Research is needed, and a lot of it.

Yeah. I'm afraid the research is currently under way in Colorado.

Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/07/2014 11:50 Comments || Top||

#13  Some forms of exercise cause harm.
Some people even get a high from exercise!
We should ban that too while we're banning things.

The only drugs I'd regulate heavily are Antibiotics as their is a societal ham from misuse (rather than a persona harm).
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 01/07/2014 12:17 Comments || Top||

#14  Because I was asked by PBMcL in #1:

I find it strange that we are making pot legal while we try to stamp out tobacco.

I'm a pulmonary doc and I hate tobacco (I really do), but I don't agree with what's being done to make it illegal to use. Our laws tend to be heavy-handed, imprecise, and hypocritical. Further our laws tend to glorify the "forbidden fruit". Despite all the laws to date, the smoking rate in our society remains hovering around 25% of the population. Further restriction isn't going to make tobacco go away. Here's why:

Smoking tobacco is done for one reason only: it's by far the best, most efficient way to deliver nicotine to the brain. If there were a better way we'd do it.

Likewise, smoking weed is done for one reason: it's the best, most efficient way to deliver THC to the brain. If there were a better way we'd do it.

It's all about delivering to our brains chemicals that our brains (those of us who are susceptible) really, really like. If you're a smoker it's because you really like what nicotine does for you. Ditto for weed and THC. The onset of action, the binding to their receptors, the length of time they stay bound, and the effects of that binding are all such that we want to get those into us quickly, and smoking does that.

Keeping weed illegal hasn't stopped people from smoking it to dose themselves with THC. Making tobacco illegal won't stop people from dosing themselves with nicotine.

So let's cut the pretense.

The harmful effects of tobacco, from the toxic materials and residues that result from inhaling burned organic plant matter, are well described. Guess what -- the same harmful effects are seen from inhaling burned weed. Smoke is smoke, and while researcher might quibble and shade over which is worse, both are bad for your lungs. Both cause emphysema, lung cancer and other cancers. I have pictures.

The pharmacology of nicotine and THC are such that the 'boom' and 'blast' are best delivered via inhalation.

Likewise, a heroin addict will tell you that while he/she COULD skin-pop or snort, the way they like it best is injected. Why? Because the pharmacology of heroin is such that the 'boom' and 'blast' are best delivered by intravenous push into the blood.

And the pharmacology of alcohol explains why we drink it rather than snort it: the timing of the 'buzz' of alcohol means that we can deliver it orally; there's no advantage to getting it into us more quickly.

So yes, heavy marijuana smoking is associated with the same spectrum of lung disease as is smoking tobacco.

But good luck trying to get either of them out of our society.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/07/2014 12:32 Comments || Top||

#15  But growing up in Colorado does not make one a Coors drinker. In fact, I LMAO last at Coors Field with the Bud Light courtesy golf carts.

Crap in the lungs is as old as humanity, whether chiseling stone, mining salt, or campfire smoke. Tobacco smoke is indeed bad and for the sake of existence, unnecessary. But it is society, like MUJ is part of society.

To be flat honest, I'm not worried about these people who wait in line to legally purchase a product, they show responsibility.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/07/2014 13:01 Comments || Top||

#16  Airandee, I heard that PM had a package for such a thing designed...in the 90's.

And y'all don't forget that there is the oral way via brownies or whatnots, not everyone likes to smoke. The responsible user, especially with kids, will have it put away as if it were booze, detergent, or a firearm. I believe that is what happened with the 2 year old who at least made our localized news. My guess is the pee nass ate a granola in front of the kid and threw it into the unlocked drawer, or worse left it on the table.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/07/2014 13:07 Comments || Top||

#17  Colorado's Pot Shops Say They'll Be Sold Out Any Day Now

Don't worry, it'll be Marlboro to the rezque - until then, 420 Baaaby ...

Posted by: Blossom tse Tung8825 || 01/07/2014 14:05 Comments || Top||

#18  call me a libertarian but I really do not care what people smoke or do as long as my rights are not violated and I am not handed the bill for the irresponsible behaviors of others. However this coutry fails to require responsibility with rights and freedoms. Which is why you and I have to pay for others abortions, contraceptives, illegimate children, drunkenness and insobriety, miss behavior, poor decisions, laziness....
Posted by: airandee || 01/07/2014 15:39 Comments || Top||

#19  Remind me not to drive to Colorado and anytime soon, say two months.
Bu then the pot heads should be used to the higher THC, and it should be fairly safe, just look carefully for Potheads at red lights.

(They'll be the ones going through whether or not it's red)

I wonder what the state will do, perhaps DUI will fit?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/07/2014 16:32 Comments || Top||

#20  Doc. W. nails it. We like pushing the button in the easiest way possible, not likely to change.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/07/2014 16:35 Comments || Top||

#21  20% tax; what budget does that feed?

Other than the local pizza joint.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/07/2014 18:49 Comments || Top||

#22  With regards to sweet Mary Jane, first and foremost does America, especially it's youths, really need another intoxicating substance to run away from our "harsh" reality? No.
1.)Humans have a 5000+ year cultural history of alcohol use and look at the the problems it still presents. MJ is a whole 'nother deal. The culture around use is non-restricitive because you can function high much easier in regular society on a daily basis undetected. A regular user can easily go through the work day high and most people do not notice it. Because, you see, the drug is "harmless".
2.) There will always be an illegal market for legalized pot, OUR KIDS! This will find it's way into the hands of kids easily, much easier than alcohol. A joint is cheaper, more concealable, less detectable more addictive (for a kid) and much preferable to a 40. Or how 'bout a cookie or brownie for the entreprenurial, great way to lure the little ones.
3.) Impairment laws have not been concretely established. What is impairment and when will the first leagl challenge of a mandatory drug test for employment surface? How about blood tests as a constitutional violation?
4.) Drugs hurt people, there is no "responsible user" of any drug because their are no cultural or societal mores for appropriate use, unlike alcohol. Maybe there are the "lucky few" small percentage burners who like to pretend it's still college on Fri and Sat. But for those "1%ers", many people somewhere along the food chain got hurt, some real bad. Legalization will not stop this because the users behaviour is the problem, not the drug. That is why it was wisely made illegal in the first place.
Posted by: jefe101 || 01/07/2014 20:22 Comments || Top||

#23  I work in the oilfield, offshore. If this becomes legal, then I want the death penalty for anyone caught working under the influence while in ANY position that involves driving, heavy machinery, safety critical awareness, well monitoring, etc.

No ifs, buts, or he was only...there's an accident, you test positive, then you get dragged to the rig floor and beat to death with sledgehammers. There's enough danger as it is out there, we don't need this as well.

Posted by: Silentbrick || 01/07/2014 21:56 Comments || Top||

#24  Doc Steve, I'm not arguing for prohibition, but I am warning that MJ use is not without cost, and there will be long term cognitive/emotionall developmental delays and other related issues that will be harmful (perhaps severely) to society as a whole, as well as to the individual. .Marijuana usage is conclusively and casually linked to a reduction in ability to consolidate new memories for about 24 hours after you smoke; which for heavy or daily marijuana smokers means all the time. Essentially, marijuana can decrease your ability to learn. Also there are other delays in development related to the development of mature self motivation. Basically Imarijuana does cause decreased academic, professional and general life performance. It does lessen the ability to learn, and when younger teens smoke marijuana heavily, they do not effectively develop emotionally and do not learn effective and appropriate ways to deal with emotional and social challenges that are necessary to become a fully functional adult. The cost for society of a "lost generation" will be enormous, in terms of opportunity cost, loss of productivity, and eventually psychological/medical care and/or treatment.

I don't want to be stuck with the cost of someone else's stupidity, at least when we should have a chance Now to impose restrictions until such costs are identified and prevented or mitigated to some degree. Let's legalize but do it wisely, instead of "passing it to find out what's in it"
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/07/2014 22:53 Comments || Top||

#25  Doc (and others), these issues are not new. Try this for a start as a journal resource during the Clinton years: Am Fam Physician. 1999 Dec 1;60(9):2583-2588.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/07/2014 23:05 Comments || Top||

#26  But...

MJ keeps the population quiet and peaceful... and voting democrat. They won't recognize what the government is taking away from them. (Most don't recognize it now). And will just keep voting democrat (because the evil Republicans will take their MJ away!)

Some explained once that the long term effect of MJ to basically retard maturity of the brain - it just stop developing and doesn't mature like it should.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/07/2014 23:17 Comments || Top||



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