He's dead, Jim.
[Bleeding Fool] Shock rocker Marilyn Manson may have been rather tame and boring in hindsight. But in retrospect, it turns out that he did make at least one true observation.
Rock and roll is in fact dead. And it died right around the time he was singing about its demise.
If you’ve been reading this blog for a while, you’ll be familiar with Cultural Ground Zero theory.
In its simplest terms, Ground Zero was the point before which consumers of pop culture product could expect each new release to be better than the last. And by definition, it was the point after which declining quality no longer justified that expectation.
The downward trend affected every medium from live action movies to anime to music. And it hit right around 1997.
Veteran session musician and producer Rick Beato has provided foundational insights for the development of Ground Zero theory. Here, he diagrams a perfect storm of greed, corruption, and cowardice to answer Manson’s implied question: Who killed rock and roll?
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02/10/2024 00:00 ||
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Suits.
Strangely enough, I found more rock and roll in Latin Music from the 90s on.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
02/10/2024 8:06 Comments ||
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There are lots of good bands coming up in all the genres. It’s just that the market has mostly changed — instead of giant stadiums and huge contracts with record companies, they’re playing the bar circuit, both in the US and abroad, then graduating to the festival circuit, and selling CDs, vinyl records, and internet downloads as a secondary income stream.
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The innertubes were supposed to let them all get rich without a middleman.
Didn't happen. Won't happen.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
02/10/2024 8:10 Comments ||
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Last really good show I waw was Bill Frisell at the Rex Theater on Carson Street in Pissburgh. They could barely keep the power to the stage on.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
02/10/2024 8:11 Comments ||
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New Blue Oyster Cult album coming out in a week. Old masters digitally remastered and AI enhanced. This is the pre-release "single." It's mush. I'm a huge fan for decades, I'll buy it anyway.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
02/10/2024 8:37 Comments ||
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#6 The innertubes were supposed to let them all get rich without a middleman.
Didn't happen. Won't happen.
Plenty of musical artists get their music on the Internet. They won't get rich; musicians who are signed by the labels make their cash through tours, and everything the record labels can take as their own.
Like those who sign with the labels, the artists who use the internet make their money through tours. It's not all hookers and blow, but it is an honest living.
Point being that music is written performed and heard because of the internet
#10
Remember though, each generation has their 'own' music and everything else is considered inferior or just crappy. The old 50's vid of the dude smashing records saying "rock and roll has got to go" comes easily to mind.
#11
IDK, but I know that video killed the radio star.
Posted by: Super Hose ||
02/10/2024 9:56 Comments ||
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Came across this band last night...a cool, fun, and young set of rockers. Lead singer is fantastic a Jack Black/John Belushi clone. Adam and the Metal Hawks.
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Wherever there is money, there will be corruption. The music industry has always been corrupt. When a band makes enough money, they start their own record label, to get away from it. Their fame and followers will demand air play. The Beatles, Led Zepplin, Kiss, they all started record labels to get our from under the corruption. Rock is not dead, bid record labels are though. There is great music out there, cranking out great rock and roll. Its just not produced by Sony and Soros. The Stones wrote about the corruption in Get off of my cloud, Pink Floyd did in Welcome to the machine, its always been there. Tom McDonald, a rapper, has his own label and has a number of number one hits, despite Youtube and the media blacking out his music. I understand that mainstream media, has tried to take it over, but rock has always been underground and its thriving.
Posted by: 49 Pan ||
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Please excuse my spelling errors.
Posted by: 49 Pan ||
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Posted by: ed in texas ||
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Rock may yet survive but it's without a doubt having a hard time these days compared to the '50s, '60s and '70s. I miss the old radio stations with the independent disc jockeys who had just enough freedom within the Top 40 format to play some offbeat stuff now and then. Besides, Top 40 artists in those days all understood beat, rhythm and melody. A lot of them were pretty good. And then came the psychedelic, classic vinyl FM stations who were lame in some ways but still managed to play some good stuff.
These days it's all hip hop and I just can't stand it. I miss Mowtown.
I remember well when Clear Channel bought a radio station in coastal North County San Diego. KKOS was truly independent, locally owned, and they played basically without a format. You never knew what they might play, a song by the Cocteau Twins might be followed by Dwight Yoakam or Louis Armstrong. That was cool. But the suits at Clear Channel decided they should play strictly country western.
Well, North County already had KOWN in Escondido, an inland city, that had a lock on the country western market. I enjoy country western but any fool could have told them that country western doesn't belong on the coast in Carlsbad. KKOS went kaput in short order. The suits, as you call them, might have the money and the power but they are incapable of appreciating music, art, literature or any of the cultural traditions that contribute to civilization. They may wear suits but they are reptilian barbarians.
Posted by: Abu Laptop (same as Abu Uluque but on a different computer.) ||
02/10/2024 14:42 Comments ||
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Doo-wop radio.com. All oldies, no commercials. Free.
[Brownstone] I am thinking of a certain industry. See if you can guess what it is.
This industry is huge, constituting a large portion of the nation’s GDP. Millions of people earn their living through it, directly or indirectly. The people at the top of this industry (who operate mostly behind the scenes, of course) are among the super-rich. This industry’s corporations lobby the nation’s government relentlessly, to the tune of billions of dollars per year, both to secure lucrative contracts and to influence national policy in their favor. This investment pays off richly, sometimes reaching trillions of dollars.
The corporations supplying this industry with its materiel conduct advanced, highly technical research that is far beyond the understanding of the average citizen. The citizens fund this research, however, through tax dollars. Unbeknownst to them, many of the profits gained from the products developed using tax dollars are kept by the corporations’ executives and investors.
This industry addresses fundamental, life-or-death issues facing the nation. As such, it relentlessly promotes itself as a global force for good, claiming to protect and save countless lives. However, it kills a lot of people too, and the balance is not always a favorable one.
The operational side of this industry is emphatically top-down in its structure and function. Those who work at the ground level must undergo rigorous training that standardizes their attitudes and behavior. They must follow strict codes of practice, and they are subject to harsh professional discipline if they deviate from accepted policies and procedures, or even if they publicly question them.
Finally, these ground-level personnel are handled in a peculiar manner. Publicly, they are frequently lauded as heroes, particularly under declared periods of crisis. Privately, they are kept completely in the dark regarding high-level industry decisions, and they are often lied to outright by those at higher levels of command. The "grunts" even significantly forfeit some fundamental civil liberties for the privilege of working in the industry.
What industry am I describing?
If you answered, "the military," of course you would be correct. However, if you answered "the medical industry," you would be every bit as right.
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As such, it relentlessly promotes itself as a global force for good, claiming to protect and save countless lives. However, it kills a lot of people too, and the balance is not always a favorable one.
[PJMedia] The D.C. Circuit Court has ruled: Commentator Mark Steyn and space blogger and sometime PJ contributor Rand Simberg, after 13 years of legal maneuvering funded by a dark money group...
That would be the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund
...are indeed liable for defaming Michael Mann by reporting on the way he was lying about being a Nobel laureate and engaging in a concerted effort to defame other climate scientists — including accusing Judith Curry of sleeping her way to the top, using statistical methods to generate the results he wanted (research malpractice for mere mortals).
For which he was awarded $1 each from Steyn and Simberg in compensatory damages.
This would be a laughable award, except the jury then piled on punitive damages: $1,000,000 from Steyn and $1,000 from Simberg.
Mann's attorneys made a play for the D.C. jury and cashed in.
I reported on the climate controversy extensively at the time. A good summary is in "Climategate: The Big Picture" and "Climategate: Violating the Social Contract of Science."
The biggest complaint against Mann was that the Hockey Stick was actively fraudulent. The Climategate emails revealed a lot of bad science, including things like Mann adjusting his data in order to get the result he wanted. (This became known as what Mann was doing to "hide the decline" when the raw data didn't provide the results he wanted.)
Curry has published what was to be her statement in Steyn and Simberg's defense. It wasn't accepted into evidence, but it is a good summary of the problems with Mann's work. As she says:
Accusations that the Hockey Stick is a "fraud" have permeated the public debate about the graph for more than twenty years. In one of the most famous of the Climategate emails, Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia referred to Michael Mann’s "trick" in the Hockey Stick graph when he wrote:
"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."55 This phrase — "Mikes Nature trick . . . to hide the decline" — went viral. And it stoked an already politically and scientifically charged debate.
Honestly, at this point, my reaction to the most idiotic decisions by a D.C. jury mostly just makes me think, "Well, that happened." But this one is a head-scratcher.
#2
Whatever happened to the Mann vs. Steyn suit in Canada - where the level of proof is somewhat lower?
Posted by: Bobby ||
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Are you thinking of the Dr. Tim Ball lawsuit in British Columbia, Bobby? The court dismissed it in 2019, and Professor Mann had to pay Ball’s legal costs.
In a statement, a spokesperson for Steyn said the $1 damages award proves the jury found Mann didn’t suffer any losses.
“We always said that Mann never suffered any actual injury from the statement at issue. And today, after twelve years, the jury awarded him one dollar in compensatory damages,” said Steyn’s manager, Melissa Howes. “The punitive damage award of one million dollars will have to face due process scrutiny under U.S. Supreme Court precedent.”
The U.S. Supreme Court has indicated that punitive damages awards 10 times greater than compensatory damages awards are generally unconstitutional.
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Rand Simberg will likely bow out at this point. After all 1,001 $US is probably what he spent just staying in DC for the trial! Steyn is now the last man standing.
Still, this case is the very reason that the SLAPP laws were passed. You would have to be be wilfully blind to miss it.
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. by Victoria Nikiforova
[RIA] “Everyone who is involved in organizing Vladimir Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson is an enemy of the United States and the West,” the British newspaper Mirror has just ruled. “Well, he’s a useful idiot,” the wife of former US President Hillary Clinton, who did not become president, is indignant. “He (Carlson – editor’s note) is Putin’s useful idiot.” Why does our former Western partners get so twisted? It’s just that the Russian President broke through a two-year information blockade and explained in the first person to a global audience what was really happening in the world, in Russia and Ukraine.
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"Actually, we would have preferred to have the interview conducted by a proper journalist from Russia and not by such an American frothing-at-the-mouth," confirmed Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. "But unfortunately we had to realise that all those who could have been considered for the job are either in prison or have died in unfortunate circumstances in recent years."
According to insiders, an accident almost occurred during the interview because Putin had Carlson served poisoned tea out of habit. It was only at the last moment that an assistant pointed out to the Russian president that it had actually been agreed to let Carlson live.
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It wasn't "The sermon on the Mount."
A lot of people still disappointed, disillusioned and in denial about that fact.
Posted by: M. Murcek ||
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Perhaps the lecture on Russian history was simply a cover for a delivered verbal message from the Orange Man.
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. by Denis Davydov
[REGNUM] A video with a pack of rabid Galician village women from Kosmach (the largest Carpathian village) attacking travelers suspected of having connections with the military registration and enlistment office has a grateful audience. The bestial magnetism of a crowd of angry women poking a bat in the face of a completely random child, ready to tear him to pieces for their own, cannot help but attract. In it, some see a manifestation of the people's soul, some thoughtfully draw conclusions about the psychosis that has deeply affected Ukrainian society, while others are pleased by the reluctance of the most patriotic part of Ukraine to give up their men for slaughter. Well, they say, they finally understood.
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. by Sergey Leskov
[REGNUM] General Alexander Syrsky was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. By the will of President Zelensky, he replaced Valery Zaluzhny, who led the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the beginning of the Northern Military District. There are many rumors around the reshuffle, but it is obvious that General Zaluzhny is to blame for the failure of the counteroffensive, on which the collective West pinned its hopes, emptying its army arsenals to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine. True, General Syrsky, as commander of the Ground Forces, is no less an accomplice in the bankruptcy of the Ukrainian army.
[GATEWAY] Newt Gingrich joined Sean Hannity on Friday following the release of Special Counsel Robert Hur’s report on Thursday.
Robert Hur inserted into the report many unflattering references to Biden personally — calling him a "well-meaning, elderly man" with trouble remembering things. That included an event that has wounded the president deeply — the 2015 death of his son Beau.
Hur pardoned Joe Biden for taking classified documents and storing them in numerous locations — a criminal act for anyone who is not US President. Former President Donald Trump was indicted for much less.
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One advantage of proportional representation (there are also disadvantages - perfect is an abstract idea) is that (usually) no party can form a goverment by itself. Which leads to coalition negotiations - between professional con men politicians. Somebody like Biden, or Obama, or Bush II would be eaten alive. Trump would survive, maybe.
#5
I believe the killer was 'universal franchise' with so many without skin the game getting a vote. It has devolved into 51% voting themselves the productivity of 49%. Theft by politician is still theft.
#9
Other than trying to eat pizza with the troops and such or downplay negative military situations, the only real Commander in Chiefy thing he has done is dust off the old set from Pink Floyd's The Wall add some riflemen, and passionately declare that 1/4 of the population of the US could be considered Enemies of the State as well as those who find themselves sympathetic.
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P2K at #5 nails it. Show us your tax returns and you can vote. Otherwise, get a job.
Posted by: Abu Laptop (same as Abu Uluque but on a different computer.) ||
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And yes, in fact, all of or politicians are Tik-Tok grade.
Posted by: Abu Laptop (same as Abu Uluque but on a different computer.) ||
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Due to age Biden was already weak. When Congress started in on him regarding his millions of dollars from China, etc. with his son, I expected that kind of pressure to accelerate his decline...
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
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Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
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