Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims. While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists.
The report was commissioned by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) after last year's failed bomb attacks in London's West End and at Glasgow Airport. It is to be discussed at Acpo's annual conference this week.
In the most comprehensive research of its kind to date, Prof Martin Innes, of the Universities' Police Science Institute in Cardiff, led a team of researchers which carried out face-to-face and telephone interviews with more than 600 Muslims in London, Birmingham and Oldham. They found that the radicalisation of young British Muslims was more widespread than previously feared, with 'a disturbing proportion' expressing support for extremist elements.
The report, which is being distributed among senior officers, Whitehall officials and ministers, finds that:
Anger and disaffection are 'widespread in sections of Muslim youth'.
There is tacit support for extremist violence within sections of the Muslim community.
Police need to do more to win the trust of Muslim communities if they are to tackle radicalisation.
Many Muslims distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists, preferring to deal with problems inside their communities.
The study, entitled Hearts and Minds and Eyes and Ears: Reducing Radicalisation Risks Through Reassurance Orientated Policing, warns that 'the threat to the UK from jihadist terrorism may increase in the future'. It concludes: 'Increasing numbers of young Muslim people are becoming sufficiently disaffected with their lives in liberal-democratic-capitalist societies that they might be willing to support violent terrorism to articulate their disillusionment and disengagement.'
Across Britain, the security services have said they are tracking 2,000 individuals suspected of having links to terrorism, investigating 200 networks and monitoring 30 plots.
Professor Innes's report warns that Islamist terror groups are increasingly operating away from traditional Muslim areas, and are seeking new ways to radicalise vulnerable young people. It comes as police investigate alleged terror plots in Exeter and Bristol. Anti-terrorism detectives have remarked on the speed with which young people have been converted to extremism and become involved in operations.
The report says: 'Bringing people through faster might be a way of trying to limit the risks of detection prior to going operational. So whereas previously the al-Qa'eda network challenged state security services through using a small select cadre of skilled operatives, they might equally stretch capacity by mounting a larger number of less sophisticated attacks.' Arson, robbery, murder, rape, etc., etc.
A poll last year by Populus found that 13 per cent of Muslims aged 16 to 24 'admire organisations like al-Qa'eda that are prepared to fight the West'.
Ministers have announced a £12.5 million 'deradicalisation' programme aimed at tackling Islamist extremism at local level. But Prof Innes says that in order for this strategy to succeed, police will first have to overcome widespread Muslim distrust. 'Distrust'? Gosh, since when have Muslims trusted kuffirs? Have imams ever taught the 'faithful' to place their trust in Jews, Christians, and atheists? (this is a rhetorical question)
He told The Telegraph: 'Within Muslim communities there are those people completely against the means and aims of terrorism, and there are those in favour.
'Then there is a disturbing proportion of people in the middle whose ideas, beliefs and support for extremism will shift depending on what's happening around them, what al-Qa'eda and their like are doing, and what the police are doing.' These, apparently, are the legendary 'moderate' Muslims.
What's the relative proportion of each ...
The Cardiff team found that a growing generation gap in Muslim communities was making it harder for elders to maintain control over disenchanted youngsters. Prof Innes said that extremists seeking to radicalise young Muslims could exploit local issues such as poor housing, as well as international events such as the invasion of Iraq.
The report says that 'neighbourhood policing' the increased use of foot patrols introduced by the Home Office as a way to tackle crime could help in the fight against terrorism. The only successful 'neighborhood policing' incident in a Muslim no-go zone that I know of involved a Muslim police officer ordering two Christian evangelists out of a Muslim neighborhood.
An Acpo spokesman said: 'Among certain groups, low trust of the police inhibits people from coming forward to give information that may stop someone from heading towards radicalisation. Neighbourhood policing is crucial.' No, Mr. Acpo spokesman - 'Certain groups' think they are on the winning side.
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deportations will help with this festering sore. Send em back to Pakland
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Cleaning up police policies might help too. I wouldn't rat out a terrorist in the UK for fear they would find out about it from one of their friends on the force.
The UK authorities should be strapped into chairs and forced to read every article on Rantburg for the last year. Maybe then they will have a freakin' clue about the cancer growing in their midst.
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It really makes ya wonder about Briton when a Radical Muslim Imam preaching muder and hate can get a visa to speak in England and Martha Stewart is considered an undesirable because supposedly lied about a crime she didn't commit.
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I just dropped by to call Pappy a muppet.
He Waldorf with extra ear-hares.
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Poor widdle muzzies can't face the jump from a 9th Century existence to a 21st century existence, so they're gonna tear it down. That'll bring everybody back to the same level, but I'm not sure a lot of Brits would appreciate that. Might be some murder and meyhem among muzzies if that should happen. I know a few of my distant relatives in Scotland and the Outer Islands might have something to say about that. They're beginning to enjoy indoor plumbing, especially in the winter.
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Comment quote of the day from Deacon Blues. Word.
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I'd be disaffected too if the insurance company repudiated my claim for my car when I torched it myself
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Most muslims in UK have a victim mentality where they dont bother looking for work as 'they wont get it as they are a muslim' mentality.
Unemployment is high in muslim communities out of choice eg.laziness,praying five times a day,lacking business acumen unlike the indians in the uk who are harworking and successful!
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Reality dictates: Muslim youth are only emulating the pedophile fraud who founded their murder cult. Muhammad kidnapped for ransom, murdered prisoners of war, waged war for booty, murdered a poet who criticized him, beheaded 900 members of a Jewish tribe, burned an Arab city (Taif) to the ground, excluded non muslims from mecca and medina, married a 6 year old, forced a nephew to divorce his wife because he wanted her, raped a Jewish woman on a battlefield while her dead husband's blood was on her garments, concocted heavenly rewards to induce murder and aggression, etc ad nauseum.
The koran is a terror manual. Believers are bound by this order: "jihad is prescribed to you." Some only finance it, but Muslims are all in the terror game. Shake a so-called moderate, and you will eventually find anti-semitism, support for ethnic cleansing and terror. They are a global plague. And they have OUR oil.
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If that's so, Paul, how come the average musselman in thee US makes more than the average American? Perhaps we've been skimming the cream, but I suspect we also assimilate them better. And we don't keep them on the dole for life if they don't.
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A realistic assessment is that the vast majority of Muslim yoots are feckless and useless. And while they are more than willing to support jihad, they equate it more with petty acts like vandalism, robbery and dirty fighting than serious terrorism.
About the only two things that would be effective in dealing with them are either deportation, or sending them to very isolated, rural training camps and put them under military discipline for a few years.
When they had graduated from that, the LAST thing they would want to do is make trouble. Instead they would settle down with minimum wage jobs and try to not make waves.
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Bottom line is this. They are not going to be happy until the radicals take over. When they contol everything and impose their so called Moslem law they still won't be happy. This people are just plain old unhappy.
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I wonder how the Brit authorities reached this conclusion---I mean, what gave them the clue?
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If that's so, Paul, how come the average musselman in thee US makes more than the average American? Perhaps we've been skimming the cream, but I suspect we also assimilate them better.
Possibly. And it's likely a combination of all three: assimilation, getting the 'cream' and less generous welfare/more incentive to make a go of it.
Then again (and this is harsh) in the US one could substitute other minorities and end up with a factual statement similar to Paul's. In fact, one could almost say New England and northern NJ sort of resemble Olde England in that respect. It's just that the radicalism that results tends not to be religion-based.
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Labour govt encourage a welfare culture that make certain communities better off than working.
If you are unemployed in UK you get your rent paid, no council tax, free health care, free education,free transport,dental work etc so because they are not ambitious/materialistic like us brits they are happy to collect pocket money of the govt and live life to a minimum ie no beer money/nice car/non council house etc!!!!
Ps-I agree we let them live on the dole/welfare for years unlike the USA!
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Bright Pebbles, I'm just a red-neck, trailer-trash, muppet from South Alabama. I also misspelled murder. Dopey me.
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OTOH, REDDIT/TOPIX > ONE-HALF OF BRITONS BELIEVE CHRISTIANITY WILL DISAPPEAR IN BRITAIN IN NEXT 100 YEARS. IIRC, ditto for 1/3 of CANADIANS but in 50-100 years [IOW, EARLIER than GBrit]???
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Friday that the US is trying to bring him before an international court. Chavez says the US is using accusations that the Venezuelan government is supporting the Lebanese group Hezbollah to see if the world will make a move against him.
The US, which has worsening ties with Chavez, said on Wednesday it was freezing the assets of two Venezuelans, including a diplomat, it linked to Hezbollah and accused Venezuelas government of protecting the two men. The United States [is] accusing our government, Venezuela, me of helping Lebanese movements -- in the Middle East. They are trying to take me to international court to see if the world will go along with the game against us, Chavez said at a political rally in his first comments on the charge. I think it will simply turn out badly for them if they play that kind of game, he said.
Chavez has increasingly sparred with Washington this year over accusations of his ties to groups the US calls terrorists.
US Congressmen have debated blacklisting Venezuela as a state sponsor of terrorism, even though the OPEC nation is one of the US biggest oil suppliers.
US officials have hardened their stance against Chavez since Colombia said in March it found FARC rebel computers showing he supported the group. Colombia has threatened to take Chavez to international court, accusing him of backing the FARC, which is fighting to topple the South American nations government. The Venezuelan leader denies he supports a group that both his neighbor and the US consider terrorists.
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Either NorK's 'fizzle' nuclear test and the destruction of its Syrian plant were truly fatal in light of the current famine situation, or they have just transplanted things to Iran and have no further use for these facilites. What about proliferating knowledge gained?
That's what Saddam figured out: you didn't need thousands of gallons of Sarin, you just need the knowledge and ability to make Sarin on demand when people aren't looking. Likewise, as AQ Khan demonstrated you don't need huge facilities dedicated to nuclear weapons production (except for the actual isotope isolation) -- decentralize the operation, give everyone a slice, and thereby keep it under the radar of the IAEA and the West as long as possible. Clever.
North Korea has invited foreign television stations to broadcast its planned destruction of a key facility at the Yongbyon nuclear complex, South Korea's chief nuclear negotiator said Sunday.
Five broadcasters each from the five countries in nuclear talks with North Korea have been asked to cover the planned blowing up of the cooling tower at Yongbyon, north of Pyongyang, Seoul's nuclear envoy Kim Sook told reporters.
Kim said CNN was chosen as U.S. broadcaster, but did not name the other four stations invited from South Korea, China, Japan and Russia.
Wonder how much CNN paid for the privilege?
Pyongyang also has notified the five stations of a date for the tower's destruction, Kim said, without elaborating.
The North's move indicates a breakthrough is imminent in the impasse that has held up the six-party nuclear negotiations for months, since the tower's destruction is supposed to come only after Pyongyang submits its long-delayed list of nuclear programs.
North Korea agreed last year to disable its nuclear facilities and fully account for its nuclear programs in exchange for economic and political concessions. The denuclearization process reached an impasse as Pyongyang failed to meet an end-of-2007 deadline for declaring its nuclear activities, although the North has made progress in disabling its nuclear facilities so they cannot be easily restarted.
Kim said the North is expected to present the nuclear declaration 'soon' but declined to specify a date.
The cooling tower's destruction a symbolic act designed to show Pyongyang's intent to abandon its nuclear ambitions is part of a series of carefully sequenced reciprocal moves that Pyongyang and Washington agreed to take to move the nuclear talks forward. Once the North submits a nuclear declaration, the U.S. government is supposed to begin the process of taking Pyongyang off Washington's terrorism and sanctions blacklists. Next would come the North's destruction of the cooling tower, which is supposed be followed by a resumption of six-nation nuclear talks.
U.S. officials said all of these developments could happen within the next 10 days while U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is in or en route to Japan, South Korea and China next week.
Kim said he would travel to Beijing later Sunday for talks with his U.S. and Chinese counterparts. U.S. chief nuclear envoy Christopher Hill has been in the Chinese capital since Friday for talks with China's envoy Wu Dawei.
The six-party nuclear talks were last held between late September and early October.
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He is up to his ears in assumptions and bad judgment. If Iran has developed nuclear weapons because of his efforts to help them do so, then he should be held accountable along with them.
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"Point where we would would wake up one morning to an Iran wid a nuclear weapon" >>>
(1) MY PARENTS' GENERATION + MY OWN > "URANIUM" WEAPON IS STILL CONSIDERED "NUCLEAR", as opposed to PLUTONIUM = THERMONUCLEAR; +
(2) BY the PRE-9-11 + espec POST 9-11 NEWS CLAIMS by the RUSSIANS, CHINA, FRENCH, BRITS, ISRAEL, + EAST EUROS > IRAN [+ OSAMA + NOKORS] DE FACTO EITHER ALREADY HAS, + LIKELY DOES HAVE, NUKE WEAPONS: +
(3) DITTO (1) for so-called "SUITCASE" BOMBS + TACNUKES + "DIRTY BOMBS", regardless of EXPLOSIVE YIELD.
In short, TECHNICALLY the US + World did indeed wake up to an Islamist Iran wid Nuclear Weapons.
D *** NG IT, CLEARLY WE NEED MICHELLE TO UNSHEATH HER "LECTURE FINGER(S)" TO ANSWER THE ANTIQUITIOUS QUESTION, "IS HALF-A-NUKE STILL A NUKE"???
I don't buy the whole suitcase nuke thing. If OBL had one he would have used it. He brought 2 of AQ Khan's men to Afghanistan to advise him how to build a nuke. He was most disappointed when told how difficult it was.
If nukes are available on the black market, how come Gadaffi and Saddam didn't buy a few?
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There were some intense discussions about suitcase nukes here at Rantburg some years ago. The conclusion was that they require frequent and intensive maintenance by very highly skilled technicians, without which they make nice paperweights. So I stopped worrying about them.
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DEBKA > ISRAEL MAY USE LR MISSLES FIRST BEFORE ANY AIR ATTACKS AGZ IRAN [NucFacs].
*ION REDDIT > THE WAR AGZ ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS BEING LOST IN PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, AND IN CENTRAL ASIA RESULTING IN IMMENSE HATRED FOR THE US ARMY AND AMERICA, HATRED THAT REACHES/EXTENDS TO ALL CLASSES ....; + INTERFAX > NATIVES OF CENTRAL ASIA SUFFER FROM INCREASED RACIAL ATTACKS.
The Pakistani government wants to fight the war against terrorism, but not on its own soil, Adviser to Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik said on Saturday.
Commenting on the Mohmand Agency incident in the National Assembly, he assured parliament that a joint investigation team would conduct a probe into the attack and its findings would be shared with the House. The government will not take dictation on its foreign policy from any quarters, he added.
Responding to cut motions moved by opposition members that the Interior Ministrys expenditures should be reduced since it had failed to show satisfactory performance, he said the government was striving to establish the rule of law in the country. There had been a 96 percent reduction in terrorism in the Sindh and Punjab provinces since the new government came into power, he said, adding that a 50 percent reduction in bombings had also been recorded in the NWFP.
He assured the House that 15,000 new law-enforcement personnel would be recruited in Sindh after the budget was finalised to monitor the cases of kidnapping for ransom.
The adviser said the government had busted two terrorist groups in the past few days. He also said that a new information sharing system, comprised of telephone, email and SMS communication, would soon be introduced to facilitate people.
No transfers: Malik said that since the new government had come into power, not even a single Pakistani had been placed in the United States custody. Rather, he added, the government had been working to return Pakistanis to their homeland.
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Lemme guess - they want to fight it in American cities by detonating nukes.
(Xinhua) -- The Pakistani government has decided to initiate targeted action against militants in view of their penetration in some areas of the country's northwest, an official said Saturday.
Rehman Malik, an advisor to the prime minister, told the parliament that Pakistani Taliban militants had come close to Peshawar, the capital of North West Frontier Province, and had started campaign to close down music CD shops and barber shops. "I had discussion with the paramilitary force and the intelligence agencies about the situation and agreed to launch targeted actions against the militants," Malik said in the National Assembly. "The federal government will help the government in the northwest to curb the militants and to stop them from approaching cities," the advisor said.
He said that 10,000 volunteers would be recruited in the tribal areas to help maintain law and order there. He said that they would be paid a minimum salary of 16,000 rupees (about 240 U.S. dollars) a month to dissuade them not to have any links with militants who were offering them about 10,000 rupees (about 150 U.S. dollars).
Malik said that rule of law was of vital importance for the overall development of a society and the government was committed to ensuring peace in the society.
He said that the new government had been successful to secure the release of 62 Pakistani prisoners from the American detention facility at the Guantanamo Bay and 22 from Afghanistan.
Referring to the war on terror, Malik said, "it was imposed six years ago on us and the country had to face a number of challenges due to this war".
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Fake currency with a face value of Rs 36 lakh seized on Friday by the Hyderabad city police from two persons - Mohammed Shoukat Ali of Malda district in West Bengal and K Venkata Satyanarayana Reddy of East Godavari district in Andhra Pradesh - was printed in the Government Printing Press in Karachi.
It was this very press that had also printed Rs 2.36 crore worth bogus currency which was seized on August 25 last year, the day the twin bomb blasts shook the city. This was the conclusion of the police from AP and West Bengal who conducted the joint operation which led to the seizure, the first of its kind this year.
The main accused in the case - Nutfal Shaik, a resident of Baikul village in Shibgunj police limits in Bangladesh - was the key man who was in touch with terror groups and some ISI agents. In Bangladesh, he is known to be a businessman. But his main trade is pumping fake currency into India. Available inputs suggest that he has a well-knit network and several youths from various parts of West Bengal, including Malda and Murshidabad, are working for him in India, sources said.
Comparison of the fake currency notes seized by various agencies earlier in different places and the duplicate notes that were seized on Friday only confirmed that the printing press in Karachi was printing bogus currency worth several crores of rupees. Highly sophisticated machinery is being used for printing the notes. Printing such notes in India is impossible, remarked a senior police official.
In fact, the intelligence sleuths in West Bengal reportedly have information that fake currency worth several crores of rupees is lying at different places in Kolkata, waiting to be delivered by agents to different cities. This came up during the confession of Arun Kumar Saha and his brother Naba Kumar Saha of Malda district in West Bengal, sources said.
But what led the police to seize Rs 36 lakh worth fake currency on Friday? It was the arrest of Kameshwar Rao on June 16 from whom bogus currency worth Rs 10,000 was seized. Initially, we did not know the Bangladesh and Pakistan link. But when we examined the seized notes closely, we discovered that such notes could not be printed in India. We pursued the lead, interrogated the accused further and he spilled the beans, a police official associated with the investigation said.
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the printing press in Beautiful Downtown Karachi, where men are men and women are breeding stock
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No problem HE, I used to live in a single-wide before it was burnt to the ground by thieves, as I recall I had no "Back steps, just front (Which I made) and then you had to step around the dog and cats sleeping there, now, what nation do you call home?
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Mister Jim Ima purdy much hang in deh MFS, teh Mullet Free State, which is ever expanding Mister Jim so throwing down boundaries is like arbeit. I looking for a pack of LisaHoundin to train to the net. If you have pls send picutres. Also always in the market for tstful 8byeTen glossies of chainsaw accidents.
(Xinhua) -- A spokesman for Hamas on Saturday said negotiations with Israel is out of the question and the Islamic movement will never recognize 'the enemy.'
The spokesman, Ismail Radwan, also slammed negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. 'We are not thinking of trying the ridiculous negotiations that the others have tried but failed to remove a single checkpoint in West Bank,' he said. Radwan added that 'the Zionist enemy must depart and recognize the Palestinian people's rights.'
His remarks were made two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he was ready to compromise on making peace with the Palestinians and also with Syria. Hamas often slammed the negotiations between West Bank and Israel and called on Abbas to halt his biweekly meetings with Olmert.
On Thursday, an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire between Hamas and Israel took hold in the Gaza Strip and is designated to last for six months. During the lull, Israel will halt its attacks in the Hamas-controlled area and ease economic sanctions in exchange for stopping Palestinian rocket attacks against southern Israel.
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Israel should totally destroy the Gaza the next time a rocket is fired from there into Israel. If I were president and they asked me for help, I'd willingly give it. I would make it an example of what COULD happen to all of Islamistan if they piss us off enough. I wouldn't stop until a buzzard would have to pack a lunch to fly across the area, and nothing green could be found anywhere - either living or painted.
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See also RIAN > ISRAEL-PALESTINE: LULL BEFORE THE STORM?
(Xinhua) -- Hamas-led interior ministry in Gaza said on Saturday that Israel will open commercial crossing points to the coastal strip on Sunday.
According to the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire, which came into effect on Thursday, the commercial crossing points are to open on Sunday, said Ihab al-Ghussein, spokesman of the deposed government. Al-Ghussein said the six-month ceasefire deal, in its initial stage, will allow 30 percent of goods into Gaza. After 10 days of the lull, Israel will resume sending other supplies to the Hamas-controlled territory "except materials that Israel claims the resistance can use in producing rockets," he added.
Israel imposed a siege and increased military operations in Gaza when Hamas took over the territory by force last June.
Meanwhile, Gaza fuel companies said on the third day of the ceasefire that the petrol shipments Israel sends to Gaza are still reduced. Mahmoud al-Khozendar, deputy director of Palestinian Petrol Station Owners Union, demanded Israel to raise the fuel supplies to ordinary levels before the sanctions.
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Note, Israel did NOT say it's opening, Just the assholes for propaganda purposes, now when it's not open they'll Whine "You Promised'.
Heard that from my two year old (Many years ago)Didn't work then, won't work now.
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Catholic bishops on Thursday expressed opposition against the all-out offensive launched against the Abu Sayyaf after the release of a television news team and a Mindanao professor.
At the sidelines of the 12th Asia Pacific Policy Forum held at the Australian Embassy in Makati City, Archbishop Angel Lagdameo - president of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) - said a military offensive against the bandits will only worsen the conflict in Mindanao.
Lagdameo said instead of pursuing a military solution, the government should advocate a non-violence principle" in dealing with problems in the region. We would not agree with that strategy which is all-out-war. What we should be sponsoring is (an) active non-violence principle which is actually based on respect for life and respect for the other person and even converting ones enemy into friends," Lagdameo said.
Earlier, the military said it has started its offensive operations in Sulu in pursuit of the abductors of Cecilia Victoria Ces" Oreña-Drilon, her cameraman Jimmy Encarnacion, driver Angelo Valderama and Mindanao State University professor Octavio Dinampo last June 8.
For his part, Cagayan de Oro Archbishop Antonio Ledesma said the government should look deeper into what prompted the perpetrators to conduct the kidnapping, saying political and economic reasons may be the root causes of the incident.
Ledesma noted that the Bishops-Ulama Conference has been working for a peaceful solution to the Mindanao conflict through peaceful inter-religious dialogue for the past years to send a strong message that religious leaders are against violence."
"We would like to hear this with our faith If there is any conflict, it maybe because of the political and economic situation," said Ledesma, a known peace advocate in Mindanao.
Ledesma said bishops are worried that a massive military offensive against the Abu Sayyaf would, like in the past, harm civilians including women and children.
All-out-war must not mean indiscriminate violence on everyone on the other side because there are a lot of innocent people involved here and that what makes the situation in Mindanao difficult," explained the former CBCP vice president.
Ledesma revealed that there have been instances in the past when bishops would offer to mediate during conflict situations in Mindanao including some activities involving the Abu Sayyaf but these moves were done in secret.
There are a number of religious leaders who come out to intercede or negotiate. Possibly their role is not too much publicized. In situations like this where innocent parties are involved, there would always be appeals for religious leaders to help," Ledesma said.
As this developed, the Commission on Elections (Comelec) said the offensive operations launched by the military in Sulu will not imperil the holding of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM) election in the province this coming August. "I don't think it would affect the election. Preparations are now underway for the ARMM elections," Comelec Commissioner Rene Sarmiento told reporters in a chance interview Thursday.
The commissioner said the military offensive is being made in selective areas in Sulu, and that polling precincts can be moved to safer and accessible locations particularly in areas affected by the military operations. -
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like Abu Sayyaf would show you catholics any mercy-NOT!!!!
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There are 800,000 Muslims in Manila and surroundings. Yet they claim to need a homeland. Let them eat dirt.
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This saddens me that these folks do not realize that sometimes the Shepherds must take up arms to drive the wolves away from the flock for which they are responsible.
The Social Justice that drives these bishops is irrelevant for those dead and enslaved by timidity in the face of terrorism and evil.
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I suggest the good bishops consult the doctrine of just war theory set forth by the likes of St. Augustine and St. Aquinas. Oh, and read the koran, hadith, and sira. And take your freaking heads out of the sand. Jesus said something about turning the other cheek. I don't recall him saying you're required to offer up your neck.
(Xinhua) -- Commander of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari said Saturday that his troops would counter any attack against the country, Iran's Press TV satellite channel reported.
Speaking to reporters on an IRGC command ship in the Gulf fleet headquarters, Jafari said Saturday that Iran's armed forces are prepared to detect and repel any potential attack against the country's nuclear facilities.
After overseeing a military exercise aimed at detecting and destroying mock targets in the Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, Jafari asserted that Iran's army is able to instantly respond to any act of aggression. The maneuver, which was a rehearsal of different passive defense methods, included torpedo and missile speedboat drills, Press TV quoted unidentified sources as saying.
Speedboat drills, yeah, that'll stop the Israelis ...
Jafari's remarks came after a U.S. report that Israel's recent large-scale military exercise was apparently a rehearsal for a potential bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who visited Washington in early June, said that 'the Iranian threat must be stopped by all possible means,' indicating that military resort can not be excluded. His remarks about Iran's nuclear threat are believed to be the strongest one the Israeli leader has made on the issue.
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Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that 'the Iranian threat must be stopped by all possible means,'
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Has the Revolutionary Guard done anything in the last 20 years? Besides roughing up its own citizens I mean? They don't really strike me as a salty, "crack" outfit.
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Bluster and the Big Lie, and more bluster... there are a number of traits coming out of Iran that mirror the Germans pre-WWII. The difference is that the Iranians aren't actually Germans, so that formidable Teutonic nature is replaced by......(clue, they fought the Iraqi Army to a draw through the use of suicide troops)
Imagine how that would work on an actually competent military like the Israeli's or the USMC.
Call their bluff, look them dead in they eyes and call BS. Reagan did it and they folded like the clowns they really are.
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they fought the Iraqi Army to a draw through the use of suicide troops
Do I remember correctly that many of those suicide "troops" were children that they had duped into suicide missions by hanging a plastic "key to gates of paradise" around their necks?
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The plastic "keys to paradise" was Ahmadinejad's idea. Goes to show what special type of evil he is to send 12 years to certain death. And our government is going to let him get access to hundreds of nuclear weapons.
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TOPIX > WILL WASHINGTON BOMB IRAN?; + REGIME CHANGE IN AMERICA:IMPLICATIONS FOR JAPAN AND ASIA [Mccain-Obama]. MCCAIN POTUS ADMIN viewed as more problematic for Japan, i.e. is believes to prefer RUSSIA over CHINA [read- dislikes Asians] + expected to continue WAR IN IRAQ, + must undoubtedly make a MAJOR DECISION ON HOW TO HANDLE IRAN AT SAME TIME THAT IRAN CONTINS WID ITS NUCPROGS. However, any feasible, anticipated actions of a future Mccain POTUS Admin should NOT mean that JAPAN-ASIA should automatically support a POTUS Barack Obama.
(Xinhua) -- The Lebanese opposition conducted intensive meetings and decided to give Prime Minister-designated Fouad Seniora 48 hours to form a government or quit, As-Safir daily reported Saturday.
'The opposition gave a limited period, the period is over by the end of this weekend, then it will move to a new political phase' the daily added. After 23 days of his assignment by the president to form the cabinet, Premier Seniora was unable to come up with a cabinet-lineup accepted by the majority and the opposition.
Meanwhile, Seniora is scheduled to leave Lebanon Monday, to attend a donation conference in Vienna. While, president Michel Suleiman has called for a spiritual leaders Summit next Tuesday in the presidential palace.
The deadlock over the new cabinet formation continues to persist as negotiations to come up with an acceptable line-up deal remain fruitless. According to Doha agreement reached on May 21, a national unity government should be formed after electing a new president which took place on May 25.
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Iran has said it considers a military attack on its nuclear facilities by Israel as "impossible".
"Such audacity to embark on an assault against the... territorial integrity of our country is impossible," said spokesman Gholam Hoseyn Elham.
I do not thin' that word means what you thin' it means!
The statement follows reports in the US media that Israeli aerial manoeuvres over the eastern Mediterranean were a possible test-run for a strike on Iran.
Iran insists that its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes. It has repeatedly rejected demands to halt enriching uranium, which can be used as fuel for power plants or material for weapons if refined to a greater degree.
The head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, Mohammed ElBaradei, meanwhile said an attack would put Iran on a "crash course" to building nuclear weapons and would turn the region "into a fireball". He said he did not believe there was any "imminent risk" of proliferation by Iran given the current status of its nuclear programme.
In an interview with Al Arabiya television, Mr ElBaradei said that if any military action was taken against Iran he would find it impossible to continue as the head of the IAEA.
There would be that benefit, wouldn't there?
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'Such audacity to embark on an assault against the... territorial integrity of our country is impossible,'
Hmm. Seems to me that an Iraqi leader uttered such sentiments about invasions at least a couple of times before his life came to an abrupt end not too long ago.
And I notice ElBaradei is playing the well-worn "middle east time bomb" card. Screw that. It's just another delay tactic called for in the spirit of taquiyya. I hope US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan crack open a well-timed six-pack of whoopass on them when the time comes.
I imagine Israel getting all kinds of US assistance, including warning of missile launches over Afghanistan, anti-missile help, the bigger bunker busters, and maybe even coming up with some ideas that help during planning. Just muzzling Rice would help a lot. Screw arab media reports because it's all just a charade anyway unless Iran's government and the supporing sycophantic radicals get smacked down in a meaningful way.
And if Iraq wants to make a friend out of Iran, they'll get wholeheartedly involved in cutting out the mullocracy cancer there, who are just smiling at them until they get a surprise nuke test that works. If the one in NorK wasn't the intentionally detuned successful test they were looking for already. I imagine Iran may well launch biological or chemical attacks on both countries in an effort to make the US pay for this, so both countries had better knock off the posturing rhetoric and think about how they are going to deal with this. I'm sure a big part of the answer will be anti-missile systems that too many self-loathing Dems are so desperately trying to neuter even today.
And what does ElBaradei mean by his statement that he couldn't continue to head the IAEA if Iran were attacked? So what? Unless the Arab world is receiving some sort of value by having his Arab a$$ filling the position, of course.
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Year 2008-2010 > gonna be interesting, espec iff NORTH KOREA's agriculture collapses in 2009 as anticipated by varous Perts [NK-Iran "lockstep"]'; + MSM-NET > "WARMONGER/LOVER" MCCAIN = KILLER 'CAIN, versus [increasingly]WAFFLING 'BAMA.
*E.g. FOX NEWS > CAL THOMAS > MORE AND MORE, BARACK OBAMA IS MAKING STATEMENTS WHICH SHOW HE IS "JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN", AND NOT ABOUT "CHANGE" OR "DIVERSITY" AS HOPED/DESIRED BY DEMS AND MANY VOTERS IN MAINSTREAM AMERICA.
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I am with those who say that al-Qaeda ut jihad (Base of jihad) was set up to inspire clone terror cells. I doubt that they ever had a central organ. Last year cells split, based on differences on the issue of declaring some Muslims to be apostate. Some Muslims believe that only allah can decide that and they note their phony "prophet's" prediction of sect formation.
Stakes are highmaybe $40 billionfor teams competing to build military vehicle
With the hard-working Humvee showing its age, Uncle Sam is preparing to buy a new ride for America's soldiers. That has touched off a hard-fought competition, with a dozen companies working in six teams to vie for the right to build the military's next-generation tactical vehicle. That list is scheduled to be cut in half next month, with the survivors entering a new phase lasting more than two years.
For the competitorsamong them Warrenville-based Navistar International Corp. and Chicago aerospace giant Boeing Co.the stakes are high: The contract to build the vehicle, to be known as the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, or JLTV, is expected to generate tens of billions of dollars in sales spread out over a decade or more.
'Whoever wins this is in line to make one hell of a lot of money,' said Dean Lockwood, an analyst with Newton, Conn., defense research firm Forecast International.
The competition is still in its early stages and pricing issues remain open, but estimates from some participants that the contract could eventually generate $40 billion or more in sales are 'reasonable,' he said. By comparison, the controversial multiyear contract for the next-generation tanker jet involving Boeing is worth $35 billion.
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How about instead of counting their big dollars before they design and buiold the vehicle they discuss how they will build a faster, more dependable, and IED resistant vehicle to keep our young men and women alive in combat.
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Spell check, spell check.
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That's ok, 49 Pan - we got the message. Right on! Too much government contracting has become a huge game of "how much can we get?", rather than "What kind of first-class equipment can we supply at a reasonable price?". We're going to hell as a nation because too many "citizens" want everything they can get from the government for the least they can return in support. Our parents' generation actually fought for freedom. Today's generation leaves that to the "redneck rubes that don't know any better, or the failures from our public school system". The average person after three years in the military is more mature than most collage graduates, and many are better educated in reality.
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..or the failures from our public school system'.
...or those who escaped Ritalin induced lobotomies in our failed public school system.
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How about instead of counting their big dollars before they design and buiold the vehicle they discuss how they will build a faster, more dependable, and IED resistant vehicle to keep our young men and women alive in combat.
It's the Chicago Tribune. The attitude is 'look at how much money Illinois could make from the military-industrial-complex-usually-reviled-by-us'.
The survivability aspect doesn't get mentioned until the ninth paragraph.
Too much government contracting has become a huge game of 'how much can we get?', rather than 'What kind of first-class equipment can we supply at a reasonable price?'.
You can thank a combination of politics, the legal system and industrial consolidation for that.
Notice that many of these companies are teaming up with other corporations. Not because they can build a new vehicle, but because they are experts in managing defense contracts.
When the government issues a few, long-term, highly politicized, long-term contracts fraught with legal pitfalls to a low-population defense industry, would you expect the price to be reasonable?
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Bantum Motors, where are you when we need you?
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"Showing its age" > COMPARED TO WHAT, the 0.45-cal. 1911, BAR, the 105, 120, 155, the LAW, DRAGON, HUEY, COBRA, M113 Series, ......
.....@etc. + OH I DUNNO, the JEEP [WW2-Cold War]???
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I saw some of the purported sepcs for the diesel electric. Each wheel individually driven, each can have up to max power availble to it.
Oshkosh is building the body and drives, NG is bringing in submarine guys for diesel electric. Has someone from Israel alledgedly working armor, and some working on amphib/fording capability.
No battery storage though. Weight. But it woudl be kinda cool to have one of those with batteries that will run the drives for, say 15 minutes, dead silent.
All kinds of tactical advantages I can think of.
If nothing else, it will be among the most unique vehicles there in that it brings generation power wherever it goes. Big advantage there for command post vehicles, as well as FBO.
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
The Pakistani government wants to fight the war against terrorism, but not on its own soil, Adviser to Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik said on Saturday.
Fake currency with a face value of Rs 36 lakh seized on Friday by the Hyderabad city police from two persons - Mohammed Shoukat Ali of Malda district in West Bengal and K Venkata Satyanarayana Reddy of East Godavari district in Andhra Pradesh - was printed in the Government Printing Press in Karachi.
