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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Hurricane Ivan Geostationary Satellite Server
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 16:37 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Click link for the Full Disk view, one hurricane after the other.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#2  What a view! (Click link) Hurricane Ivan along the Gulf Coast and little sister Jeanne over Puerto Rico.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Pick a storm view: Severe Storms and Special Events
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#4  The Grand Image of the Day (Click Link)
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Are more hurricanes on the way coming off the coastline of western Africa ...after Ivan? Click for the FULL DISK VIEW.

It's going to be a long hurricane season for 2004
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||

#6  All those people parked yesterday on the highways leading out of Nawlins?

Hope they're gone by now. Or they could be goners.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Full Color, Half Disk close up view
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||


Tropical Storm Jeanne Pounds Puerto Rico
Tropical Storm Jeanne, nearing hurricane strength, slammed into Puerto Rico on Wednesday as rivers rose, roads flowed with torrents of water and frantic residents evacuated low-lying areas. Lashing rains and wind blew plants off terraces and felled trees as the storm's eye made landfall on the southeastern tip of the island Wednesday afternoon. "The biggest concern for Puerto Rico is flashflooding and mudslides," said Hector Guerrero, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

Streets in the tourist hub of colonial Old San Juan were deserted and most flights had been canceled. The largest mall in the Caribbean -- Plaza las Americas -- was also shut and Gov. Sila Calderon prohibited alcohol sales for the day to keep citizens alert. The storm's projected path had it potentially reaching hurricane-weary Florida, Georgia and South Carolina either Sunday or Monday. Jeanne is on track toward the island of Hispaniola where floods in May killed more than 3,000, and the Bahamas -- a chain of more than 700 islands that was battered recently by Hurricane Frances.

Chris Hennon, a meteorologist with the National Hurricane Center in Miami, said Jeanne will probably become a hurricane Wednesday. All Puerto Rican ports were closed. Gov. Sila Calderon banned alcohol sales in hopes of keeping citizens alert and urged people to stay indoors. The largest mall in the Caribbean -- Plaza las Americas -- also was shut. Streets in the tourist hub of colonial Old San Juan were deserted and most flights had been canceled. Calderon said Jeanne had cut water service to some 30,000 people in the northeast and knocked out electricity in about 1,000 homes just outside San Juan. Nearly 800 people had evacuated and were staying in shelters throughout Puerto Rico.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 4:17:08 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Click link for the huge view, click again to enlarge.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Hurricane "AlGore" apparently was bypassed for its ineffectual bluster, hot air, and raised pressure with no obvious results?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Frank, Hurricane AlGore forms on election day after Bush beats Kerry and this hurricane will follow Al wherever he is yelling....ah speaking.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 20:48 Comments || Top||


Will Hurricane Ivan be like Camille?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:51 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Additional Hurricane Camille data & photos.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#2  More hurricane Camille photos info
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#3  The 3 years after Camille I remembner being on a driving vacation with my parents and going through the Biloxi-Gulfport MS area (Jul 1972). The devastation was still clearly evident.

The debris was gone but not many houses rebuilt even then...

Mobile is the center of the track of Ivan the Terrible. Prayers go out to the Mobilians. Get to high ground and stay safe.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't know if it's going to be like Camille on the Gulf Coast, but I'm very concerned it will be like Camille when it gets to the Virginia mountains, if that's where it ends up (looks like it so far).

The ground was saturated then, too, from too much rain, just as it is now. Camille brought lots more rain to the Virginia mountains, and in at least one place (Nelson County, near Charlottesville for those of you who don't live here) the additional rain was too much and the soil, trees, etc., literally slid off the mountain right down to bedrock.

They found some of the bodies - and cars - in the James River near and below Richmond (hour's drive away). Some of the missing people's bodies were never found. I remember this very well - I was living in Virginia at the time. There was a great deal of flooding elsewhere, too. It was altogether a frightening time.

Nothing personal, but I hope the remnants of Ivan go far to the west of Virginia.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Barb, Even though I was young at the time of Camille, but what stuck me is reports that this ultra-powerful hurricane had up to 200mph winds which is incredible. That is amazing in terms of the memories you recall so far inland during the wrath of Camille.

Looking at the photo coverage which was included, I also remember some tourists that remained in a high-rise hotel to have a 'hurricane party'. The day after Camille slammed ashore only a portion of the foundation remained of the hotel and as far as I remember all in the hotel downed.

BigEd, Do you think knowing the danger along the Gulf coast people should live there? Hotels pay high insurance premiums thus if the property is totally ruined they proceed and rebuild but regular home owners should think safety first.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I know folks who spent Hurricane Camille tied to trees.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Matt - where?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Barb, around Gulfport as I recall. Not much else to do when the house collapses.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Mark's got a hurricane Jones. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||

#10  I was in New Orleans when Camille hit but I don't remember much; I was 2 at the time.

Now _Andrew_ I remember. I was living in New Iberia at the time, and the center passed fairly close to my parent's house. One of the trees, a ~ 100 foot white oak, was uprooted, and then picked up and moved five feet in what was almost the other direction, so the trunk was laying diagonally across the hole where the roots were.

I'm still trying to figure out what precisely happened there.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 09/15/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Just saw on the Weather Channel that it appears to have turned north slightly and so the worst of it will miss New Orleans, though they'll still get slammed.

Mississippi, Alabama, & Florida, on the other hand....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 19:57 Comments || Top||


Climate shift could bring more storms
Hurricane Charley has blown through Florida and the Carolinas. Newly formed Tropical Storm Danielle is churning across the open Atlantic Ocean. Tropical Storm Earl is bearing down on the Windward Islands. Those latest storms are part of an unsettling reality for those who live in hurricane country: Mother Nature has shifted gears on her storm-making machine. A combination of cyclic climatic conditions — hemisphere-wide patterns that scientists call the "Atlantic multi-decadal signal" — has set the stage for a sustained increase in hurricane activity that could last for decades.

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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:45:24 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I blame the Reagan tax cuts.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Wipe out Palm Beach and Ft Lauderdale?

Yes but who would track where the leftys were exiled to?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#3  So basically, global warming would result in reduced hurricane activity. But, we are seeing increased activity. Perhaps the implication is that global warming is a myth?

Must be Bush's fault.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/15/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#4  In the Global Warming world, all weather indicates global warming, even with all indicators pointing otherwise.

EnviroMENTALists are bi-polar. They want everyone to think the world is ending, but all evidence, even when it points to something entirely different supports their view.

We could have an Ice Age beginning tomorrow and they would still jerk off about global warming.
Posted by: badanov || 09/15/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Are we all doomed again?
Damn!
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#6  The key point of the article is:A combination of cyclic climatic conditions — hemisphere-wide patterns that scientists call the "Atlantic multi-decadal signal" — has set the stage for a sustained increase in hurricane activity that could last for decades.

Climate cycles - its not about global warming at all.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/15/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#7  We could have an Ice Age beginning tomorrow and they would still jerk off about global warming.

Of course, they will, since global warming would cause the ice age.

I believe these trends are cycles, as well. I am tired of the US taking the brunt of the abuse, though, as far as not doing enough for the environment. Maybe some of these enviro-friendly nuts would like to talk to China about their coal usage? Maybe they'd like to go to some developing country and talk about their water pollution? Maybe if they'd get out of their coffee shop and see the world, they'd realize the US is pretty damned clean.
Posted by: nada || 09/15/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#8  Didn't Jerry Falwell say we would be visited by enoumous strom if we did not turn from the way of the devil?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#9  Like a 100 year Thurmond?
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 14:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Yup. Biggah than a baseball bat, honey
Posted by: strom || 09/15/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#11  Those latest storms are part of an unsettling reality for those who live in hurricane country: Mother Nature has shifted gears on her storm-making machine.

Oh well, that's life. Every individual should decide whether the risks to them are acceptable or not, and take action accordingly.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/15/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#12  I think everything will be back to normal once the election is over and Ted Kennedy and his sidekick shut their piehole......
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#13  Re: #7 - Actually there is global warming, but (wait for it) it's a good thing.

There was an article a few months back about a computer model that accurately prediced very ice age for the past several hundred thousand years....EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO START 10,000 years ago and didn't. If man hadn't starting slash and burn agriculture 8-10K years ago, we'd be in caves chewing walrus fat in LA.
Posted by: Anonymous6466 || 09/15/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#14  "accurately predicted every" dammit!
Posted by: Anonymous6466 || 09/15/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#15  Are we all doomed again?

Yes, and as usual women and minorities will be hardest hit.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 09/15/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#16  Yeah. And monkeys could fly out of my butt.

But I doubt it.
Posted by: mojo || 09/15/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#17  Jim Morrison: "Noone here gets out alive"
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#18  It's certainly large enough, Mojo.......
Posted by: Anonymous6466 || 09/15/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#19  Jealous?

Don't make me git the mojo hand...
Posted by: mojo || 09/15/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#20  The Atlantic hurricane season for 2004 still has two full months remaining.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#21  Considering that the ground on which my townhouse sits was once a shallow inland sea, I think we are actually vastly cooler than the norm right now. The dinosaurs kicked it in a far warmer climate for more than 1000x longer than we H. Sapiens have been here.

And for A6466: "Mmmmm.... walrus." :)
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||


WWII bomber emerges from glacier
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:24 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting. Did the Fairey Battle bomber use the same engine as some of the US P51 Mustangs? http://www.stallion51.com/sightsound/sightsound-merlin.cfm?CFID=4331990&CFTOKEN=3846eb4-00079ace-7285-1121-a4b8-328042dfd82d
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  GK, thankls for posting the link, very interesting!
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||


Direct Hit by Ivan Could Sink New Orleans
The worst-case scenario for New Orleans — a direct strike by a full-strength Hurricane Ivan — could submerge much of this historic city treetop-deep in a stew of sewage, industrial chemicals and fire ants, and the inundation could last for weeks, experts say. If the storm were strong enough, Ivan could drive water over the tops of the levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River and vast Lake Pontchartrain. And with the city sitting in a saucer-shaped depression that dips as much as 9 feet below sea level, there would be nowhere for all that water to drain. "Those folks who remain, should the city flood, would be exposed to all kinds of nightmares from buildings falling apart to floating in the water having nowhere to go," Ivor van Heerden, director of Louisiana State University's Hurricane Public Health Center, said Tuesday.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 7:12:30 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is pretty scary! Keep an eye on the ticker today bros. Some prayers are in order!

Somebody should send out somebody to check the dikes.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/15/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#2  I evacuated yesterday. The levee system is extensive, but every foot of it was built by the lowest bidder.

Don't worry about the direct strike scenario -- if it happened, I'm sure the UN would come to our rescue.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Matt, good luck to you. I'm sure everything will be alright. You did attach the pontoons to the house?

Bummer if the Big-easy turns into a Disney style 'E' ticket ride.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/15/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#4  My aux. yut fled Tulane with housemates and dawgs, headed for Texas.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#5  good luck to everyone in that area. I hope your homes escape damange and more importantly, that you all stay safe!
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Looks like Mobile, AL gonna be the bulls-eye. . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks Lucky and everyone else.

Ship, good luck to your yut. We headed north to Jackson, were I am now confronting the classic sweetened versus unsweetened tea dliemma.

Pontoons? I shoulda thunk.

Big Ed - things don't look good for Mobile but the striking thing about this one (and I've seen a few) is how big it is: hurricane force winds 200 miles across.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Take care! Our prayers are with you
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#9  Best wishes and dry thoughts to all the Gulf Coast Rantburgers. Plus the Tennessee Valley Rantburgers, where biblical rains are predicted. We'll get the dregs here in the mid-Atlantic sometime this weekend...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#10  stay dry, Em!
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Best wishes to all the Delta and Gulf Coast residents.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#12  Full colour view of Hurricane Ivan and soon to be Hurricane Jeanne.

Click link then click to fully enlarge.

Best view on the web!
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#13  Pay attention in North E Georgia and E Tennessee... this could stall... maybe even a little retrograde motion.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||


Crude Oil Rises as Hurricane Cuts Output, May Flood Refineries
Crude oil futures rose for a third day as Hurricane Ivan forced producers including Royal Dutch/Shell Group to cut output in the U.S. part of the Gulf of Mexico by almost two-thirds and raised concern refineries may be flooded. About 1 million barrels a day of Gulf production has been shut, equal to 5 percent of U.S. consumption, the government's Minerals Management Service said. U.S. inventories may fall as the storm delays unloading of tankers, slowing imports. OPEC, meeting in Vienna today, is discussing a boost in output quotas of between 500,000 and 1 million barrels a day, ministers said.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 6:31:53 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


It's time to move out of Florida
Sat-photo of Hurricane Ivan via link

Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 6:25:03 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More like Mobile Alabama or New Orleans, per the latest reports.

I hope it manages to swerve east a bit and go ashore just west of Pensacola - that way it hits the best protected (barrier isles break up storm surge) and least populated area in its possible path.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Looks like you're going to get your wish OS. Looks like Orange Beach AL is going to see the eye.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Cayman Islands banks survive Ivan
The fifth largest financial centre in the world is still functioning - despite being hit by Hurricane Ivan. The Cayman Islands is home to 5,000 funds, almost 400 banks and tens of thousands of companies. A loss of power across most of the islands means locally-based staff are out of action till electricity returns, planned for 20 September. But thanks to the offshore nature of the Caymans' financial services, many firms are operating almost unhindered. With sensitive data routinely backed up elsewhere, many law firms, company agents and banks have simply told clients to contact offices in London, the Bahamas, the US or elsewhere. The experience, experts say, is a prime example of the virtual nature of modern finance.

The rest of the islands' life, however, has been hit hard by the hurricane. Few of their 43,000 inhabitants have mains electricity or water supplies, and there is significant damage to homes and businesses. Communications are also suffering, with most landlines cut off during the day and little mobile phone coverage.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 11:22:30 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice banks. ATMs are a little hard to find, though.
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#2  ...as are banking records.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Whew! For a minute there I thought I'd have to shift my numbered account to Geneva.
Posted by: Dan Rather || 09/15/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#4  They're offshore accounts. You have to wade out to the ATMs.
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 12:21 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL! That's not funny! That's stupid! LOL!
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#6  The British run Cayman Islands have very strict building codes which shows when compaired to destruction in bordering Islands and even Florida & other Gulf states after hurricanes ram through.

Trailer homes should be banned since they are an eye sore and fully unsafe.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#7  thank goodness - is my Nigerian desposit by the son of the late Sani Abacha in yet? I keep checking, but no deposit....
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||


Europe
Judges Postpone Milosevic Trial for Month
Posted by: Fred || 09/15/2004 16:30 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Clinton's legacy crumbling.
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 09/15/2004 16:48 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Former CIA Boss Tenet Calls CBS Memos 'Slam Dunk'
Scrappleface alert! HT to KerrySpot, an invaluable resource
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 7:00:12 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Boycott CBS (60 Minutes) Sponsors
As long as CBS continues the irresponsible tactics, I will no longer watch CBS. In addition I will find out every sponsor of CBS News and 60 Minutes and make sure I never purchase anything they're trying to sell. Maybe the public and their sponsor can make them admit their evil ways. Remember the French!!!
Posted by: Dozer || 09/15/2004 4:50:10 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You forgot the link....

Here is one to BoycottCBS.com
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 18:26 Comments || Top||

#2  While you are at it,if you wish to lodge a complaint with CBS NEWS, here's the link. CBS news sez: Tell us what you think! Your opinions and comments are very important to CBS and we read every message that we receive.... May not do any good simce Rather, et al are invoking the Devine Right of Kings.
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 18:49 Comments || Top||

#3  CBS wants a fight...give it to em right in the pocketbook. This thing stinks so bad it might not take much to get the sponsors to jump.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/15/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#4  I'd like to "boycott" them, but their reporting has been biased and shoddy for so long that I haven't watched them for years.

What shocks me the most is how everyone is acting shocked! shocked! (Ok, ok, I'll admit that I too am surprised at their spectacular act of sabotage and subsequent refusal to board the lifeboats)

But why are we shocked? Where was their reporting on the starvation and nuke development in Korea? The rape, genocide and slavery of Africa? The rise of a global jihad movement? Muslim extermination of Christians? The failures of socialism, communism?

They HAVE FOR YEARS ignored the biggest stories of the day and hyped molehills into mountains out of stories that are politcally useful to the left.

I'm as happy as anyone else to see them finally exposed, but nothing really NEW about any of this.

whew...rant over. by all means...boycott them.
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 19:00 Comments || Top||

#5  It's a lot more important to boycott Spain. Look at the Page 1 post "Spanish moonbats." on top of "U.S. Asks Spain to Clarify Zapatero’s Iraq Remarks" just below it. While I am trying to avoid the topic of amphibians, this is even lower than the French.

I guess ther is a place for vulgarity after all. F*%k 'em.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||

#6  sell any Viacom stocks and withdraw from mutual funds with Viacom in it. I did today, online, to save my financial ass
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 19:05 Comments || Top||

#7  First blood to Frank G, and good show.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/15/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#8  Not that they'll care, but I sent CBS the following comment:
Dear Gentlefolk:

I am a trial attorney. I deal with documents, information and people’s perceptions all the time. The documents being used to support Dan Rather's story about President Bush's __time/lack of time__ spent meeting his Air Guard duty, while rather convenient, are clearly more than rather fake.

Since one doesn't need to be a document expert to see this, I expect the long term credibility of all of CBS, and all related entities and employees teeters on the verge of destruction. It seems to me that CBS continues playing this “denial game” only at great risk (to the level of absolute implausibility of any good outcome), and at great cost (to the level of a possible fatal outcome for the company in general, or at least certain departments thereof). I for one already don’t have the same level of confidence in any CBS story, and what confidence I do have left is daily eroded by the way you are handling all of this. It seems to me that mea culpas are long overdo, and each passing day raises the probable penance that will be needed to regain the public trust.

Just my thoughts, but I thought you should hear them.
I wonder, though, what the shareholders will think and do regarding a massive public outcry and subsequent loss of revenue.
Posted by: cingold || 09/15/2004 19:24 Comments || Top||

#9  Cingold - agree with your decision to sell Viacom. They will try to stop the bleeding by buying up some of their own- and some people will scoop it up as a deal - but in the long run - these guys are sinking under the weight of all of the old, fat, butts of their management. Better safe than really, really, sorry. Think tech industry in 2000!

DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? -
Yeah..you're, "FIRED".
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#10  oops, meant Frank G! Bravo! Nice letter cingold!
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||

#11  Who sponsors 60 Minutes? I haven't watched that show since its then-producer (Don Hewitt) bragged about rehabbing Clinton's image. Lately it is pretty much the publicity wing for Viacom's publishing interests. Not much worth seeing even before Dan Rather's recent pathetic effort.
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#12  I found a couple of links that claim to have the Corporate names and contact information of CBS advertisers. Help yourself.
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/cbs.html
http://www.hsc.org/chaos/legal/updates/cbsnewsitem.php
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||

#13  Don't forget: when their affiliates license's come up for the "comment period", bring this episode to the attention of the FCC. It may not cost them their licenses, but it'll at least make them sweat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/15/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#14  My hat is off to FrankG and Cingold. Ain't nothin' in the world more powerful than putting your money where your mouth is.

Way to go, ya'll!
Posted by: badanov || 09/15/2004 20:52 Comments || Top||

#15  The Kerry Spot is reporting that one affiliate is dropping CBS for their news coverage (radio). Other reports are that some affiliates tonight did not carry 60 minutes two.
Posted by: AF Lady || 09/15/2004 21:19 Comments || Top||

#16  mega-dittos on this one. I will make an effort to avoid people who solely on "See B.S."
Posted by: Brutus || 09/15/2004 23:45 Comments || Top||


Panic-Panic-Panic Debate Commission is Pleading Letter
Hat tip Drudge :
Dear Jim and Vernon:

In light of the Commission on Presidential Debates' (CPD) scheduled debates, which start on September 30 at the University of Miami, the final construction and production details must be addressed immediately. It is important that we meet with you no later than Monday, September 20, to finalize debate plans. We are also available to meet anytime this week.
Pleez Pleez
. . . .
The three television networks with pool responsibility for the four debates — Fox (Miami), NBC (St. Louis), and ABC (Cleveland and Phoenix) — have spent months working on production details with the CPD and are ready to go.
What? No CBS? How prophetic!

Yikes : What if they gave a debate, and nobody came. . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 4:21:16 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Kerry on Imus: "Dick Cheney was the vice president of the United States"
Posted by: Dozer || 09/15/2004 14:37 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He also says: "I'm doing terrific." This is a very confused man.
Posted by: Tom || 09/15/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#2  The dude's been confused for about thirty-five years. Kerry's obviously a deeply conflicted vet who hasn't sorted out in his own mind the contradiction between war hero and war criminal.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Kerry on Imus: "Dick Cheney was the vice president of the United States"

Huh? Cheney was VP when Bush Sr. was President?????

Uhh, no.

A new president, with new credibility,..

He can't be talking about himself.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/15/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Imus was a Kerry vote - until he wasn't. Imus knows a loser when he sees it, and has been ripping Kerry's campaign
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 15:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Promoted to VP from Secy Defense!
Don't tell the Supreme Ccourt or Ccongress or Dan Quayle!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Something else from the Imus interview. Kerry repeatedly stated he had warned the president that there had to be a "plan to win the peace" as contingent to his support for the war in Iraq.

Anyway to check on that?
Posted by: TomAnon || 09/15/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||

#7  That ignoramous couldn't teach an 8th grade Civics class and he thinks he's entitled to be President of these United States.
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 18:53 Comments || Top||


CBS will release a second statement (eventually) about forged docs
CBS to Release New Statement on Docs Flap
CBS News, dogged over questions about the authenticity of memos apparently showing that President Bush shirked his National Guard service more than 30 years ago, is expected to release a statement about the document snafu Wednesday afternoon. . .
Originally it was supposed to be at Noon. 60 Minutes II starts at 8:00 EDT. . . Gotta be before that . . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 1:48:32 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cue the Final Jeopardy theme....
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 13:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Final Jeopardy
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Rush thinks announcement 1/2 hour after his show ends 3:30 PM EDT.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 14:43 Comments || Top||

#4  If they still dig in, then the CBS switchboard must be inundated as well as the congressional committee who oversees this issue. If the rumor is true, and they try to link the politics of the "experts" to the fraud accusations, then those experts should sue for defamation. Also demonstrations in front of CBS until they decide to tell the truth. Use a Leftist tactic and slap it back in their face.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#5  The stonewalling at CBS is frankly getting a little spooky. They are hiding something very important and I suspect that it is something that hasn't been discussed publicly to any extent.

What is it? I don't know, because it seems that every reasonable possibility has been dissected to exhaustion, along with a good many unreasonable ones.

Among other things, it is important enough that Sumner Redstone and the corporate management, or at least the news division managers, have apparently decided to take the consequences rather than intervene. This could mean either lost jobs or billions in lost revenue.

Only one thing is more important than money to corporate bigwigs, and that is staying out of prison.
How could backtracking or revealing the source subject them to prosecution?
One possibility is that the source has major dirt on the CBS management and is blackmailing them for continued protection.
The crazy guy, Bill Burkett, is known to have links to communist propaganda outlets that specialize in propagandizing on behalf of Latin American revolutionaries. Is it possible that some revolutionary group, perhaps even the Cubans themselves, have given him information that would provide ironclad against exposure by CBS?
This could be something like the CNN "silence for access" scandal but much worse.

I frankly don't know, but I suspect they will not be able to keep the lid on it, whatever it is.
For one thing, some producer or other underling is likely to go freelance and try to win a Pulitzer by blowing this wide open.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#6  CBS now delays until 5:00PM EDT.

Hannity is really enjoying himself.

Get 'em tiger!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#7  3:40 EST and still no announcement.
Maybe the CBS suits are trying to salvage some ratings by waiting long enough for the FBI to get a warrant and arrest Dan on the air.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#8  Sorry, that's EDT.
Maybe the source has Fidel's copy of the video showing Dan accepting a bag of cash from Osama bin Laden.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#9  Atomic : You mean like this?

Dan's New Wardrobe?

Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#10  Delays like this indicate the lawyers are now in charge. Bad news, Dan.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#11  Atomic : See my comment #14 - re: Posting Coleho looks for Democrat Rove.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#12  Final Jeopardy

I like the original Final Jeopardy theme, carried over from when Art Fleming and Don Pardo were, respectively, host and announcer.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/15/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#13  Per Sean Hannity, release is now 5:00 EDT...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#14  must be like a chinese firedrill of lawyers at the Black Rock, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#15 

Unfortunately these 3 guys were watching the Hurricaine reports from CBS and didn't believe them. They decided to go to the beach anyway.

Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#16  Hannity's about to have Bernard Goldberg on.

This should give us insight on the delay-delay-delay-delay.

CBS, with it's self-created Watergate is about to experience cold fear. . .

1964 - Johnson lanslide over Goldwater
1974 - Demo Congressional Lanslide post Watergate
1984 - Reagan Beats Mondale 49 states to 1
1994 - Republican Congressional Lanslide
2004 - . . . .

A year ending in "4" is a watershed.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#17  Goldberg says Rather hasn't spoken to him in years, since his writings on liberal bias...

Delay... What's happening?
Lawyers jawboning. . .
CBS acting irrationally. . .
Goldberg says Rather affected by Watergate -
- lost balance at that time.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#18  Don't know if it's related or not (though I know which way I'd bet), but Viacom (See-BS parent company) stock took a tumble today. (Note 3 p.m. on graph)

Heh.

(Via Instapundit.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#19  T-32 Minutes. Tictictictictictic.

Unless there is another delay. . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#20  FWIW (probably not much since you don't know who I am and my Iraqi source is wobbly), I just heard from a Dem insider friend in Austin. This is someone close to the Texans for Truth. She indicates the following:
1. Burkett is not the source (wouldn't say who is but says she is positive).
2. Dan's daughter Robin is involved but only as a conduit and is not culpable for the fraud.
3. The source does indeed have major dirt ("Leavenworth prison type dirt") on CBS, but it has nothing to do with Latin American revolutionaries as I had speculated earlier.

This story is going to get a lot bigger.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#21  Read careful Barbara there is only a 2% drop for the day, and if you look over a longer period, it is still within a range.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:29 Comments || Top||

#22  AC, is the forger an Austin-area techie punk?
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#23  Everybody - What if there is another delay. They do have 3 hours to play with
(Opening of 60 Mins II on the east coast.)

Tictictictictictictic.

Atomic: This is for you!
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#24  T-19 and counting.

AC - Cubans, Nicaraguans, who knows, but Leavenwoth for who?

Dan? Mapes the producer?, his CBS bosses? Who?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||

#25  Barb, you need to see a context of longer period, preferrably a year to assess if something out of ordinary is going on. The YTD graph shows that Viacom has been declining for a long time.
Posted by: Zarathustra || 09/15/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#26  Network news is a cash drain for Viacom. Redstone probably keeps it in the Viacom portfolio only because of the prestige that comes from the CBS logo. If that's sullied, then there's no reason not to sell it off. The big institutional shareholders would demand as much.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#27  T-7 mins and Drudge is still unchanged.

Takin' some popcorn to the microwave before the virtual Hurricaine begins to rival Ivan.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||

#28  Tictictictictictictictictic. .. .

One minute. Waiting for Drudge (he'll probably be first)

Unless there is another delay.....
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#29  5:04 D'oh!
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#30  Love it AC. We can only hope that it gets bigger and bigger and the dirt spreads all over the Dems. Then, when they have been drubbed in virtually all of their races (I can't see Obama losing to the wacko Keyes) maybe then they will realize it is time to jettison the looney wing of their party.
Posted by: remote man || 09/15/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#31  Jesus! Franco died quicker then this!
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#32  5:10 EDT - Still nothing
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#33  Looks like the Tictictictictic is segueing to Laura Ingraham's crickets...
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#34  Anyone wonder if there is a confrence call between CBS and Chappequa recovery room?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 17:17 Comments || Top||

#35  They're working out a plea bargain for Dan if he turns state's evidence. The problem is he refuses to go in The Witness Protection Program.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#36  Dibs on the lawn chair concession...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#37  They're waiting for the ink to dry on the, uh, additional documents.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#38  Still nuthin.

I wonder if they coulg get their ahdnwriting guy to do a Spiritual Analysis of their position?

(Did you know thier signature guy is not formally trained nor certified?)
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 17:48 Comments || Top||

#39  Exactimundo - Old Spook!
He sounds freaked. "All I did was verify ONE SIGNATURE"

Owwwwwwwww

BUT HE DID AUTHENTICATE THE SUICIDE NOTES OF VINCE FOSTER AND KURT COBAIN
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 17:52 Comments || Top||

#40  I can hear Les Moonves talking about Dan right now, "Let him hang there; let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind."
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#41  They're busy editing that video of GW buggering a nine year old hindu boy at Camp David!
Posted by: James37211 || 09/15/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#42  My guess is that these guys are working out of multiple conference rooms at one of the big New York law firms: Viacom's lawyers have one room, DNC's another, Rather's a third, Moonves' a fourth, etc., and that drafts of the New Word are flying back and forth like confetti. I'd be shocked if there weren't a barrel of white collar defense lawyers on hand, along with specialists in telecomm law and securities law. I would also guess that a battalion of young lawyers have by now researched the concept of forgery back to the Magna Carta.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 18:04 Comments || Top||

#43  37211 - The CBS suits aren't that direct. They are going to take a video of "Forrest Gump" and replace Tom Hanks with the Prez.

Then they are going to peddle it as authentic. They will then get a video of the Woody Allen movie "Zelig", and use President Bush 41 nad Barbara (the mom) instead of Woody Allen and Diane Keaton.

Then they will supply the footage to the DNC, and the Kerry Campaign.

Voila! Instant campaign ads.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#44  If they don't come clean, I'm looking at some Viacom options (as opposed to going short). Should be nicely profitable in the deluge thats going to hit their advertisers from boycott threats and board from stockholders.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#45  DRUDGE HAS THIS

Statement by the President of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:

"We established to our satisfaction that the memos were accurate or we would not have put them on television. There was a great deal of coroborating [sic] evidence from people in a position to know. Having said that, given all the questions about them, we believe we should redouble our efforts to answer those questions, so that's what we are doing."
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 18:12 Comments || Top||

#46  " Statement by the President of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:

"We established to our satisfaction that the memos were accurate or we would not have put them on television. There was a great deal of coroborating [sic] evidence from people in a position to know. Having said that, given all the questions about them, we believe we should redouble our efforts to answer those questions, so that's what we are doing."
Hattip to Drudge

And CBS bites the big one....
Posted by: Silentbrick || 09/15/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#47  Does the above count as the 6-hr late statement?

If so, it's torches and a rope time.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#48  Leaning forward is the first part of falling on your face.

CBS News is leaning forward finally.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#49  Looks like what they want to do is burn their source but not have to retract their conclusions. In other words, "It doenst matter the documents were fabricated, they contained 'the truth' per statements we have from reliable sources" (like Barnes, Burkett and a bunch of other partisans).

CBS is just covering and playing for time.

This is a ploy for time to allow the Dems to run the ads before they get debunked.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#50  selling Viacom stock tomorrow
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#51  Frank G - Is there an international paper shortage? I doubt if there is value of the shares in and of themselves.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||

#52  mutual fund changes
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 18:22 Comments || Top||

#53  BidEd:
Naw, they're editing the once where W. and the VP are snorting coke with Osama Bin Ladin through million dollar bills.
Posted by: Secret Master || 09/15/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#54  That is definitely a lawyered statement. Look how it is non-specific to ANYTHING - and it puts all the actions IN THE PAST. "established", "were" , "was"...

The only actions are to "redouble our efforts": as if they wre already investigating the veracity of the docs - so they cannot have it held against them.

Lawyered to hell and gone.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 18:25 Comments || Top||

#55  heh heh, that won't fly, continuing the downward spiral for the SKerry campaign. Any chance the memos had a Chappaqua address?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 18:27 Comments || Top||

#56  I read this to mean that the lawyers couldn't hammer out a real statement, so they came up with this "placeholder" under time pressure to do something. The misspelling tells you that this was a dashed-off thingy that the 75 lawyers on hand didn't have time to look at carefully. (And right now some 25-year old associate is getting his or her butt chewed about that misspelling.)

Question: would all the paperwork that got generated today be discoverable in a civil suit? and who gets the book rights?
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 18:29 Comments || Top||

#57  “This highway leads to the shadowy tip of reality: You’re on a through route to the land of the different, the bizarre, the unexplainable….Go as far as you like on this road. It’s limits are only those of mind itself. Ladies and Gentleman of CBS, you’re entering the wondrous dimension of law. Next stop…..The Felony Zone.”
Posted by: Silentbrick || 09/15/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#58  When is a statement not a statement.

Too many lawyers.

Corroborating needs to be done.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#59  I read this to mean that somebody said something that makes the lawyers realize they have a problem but the don't know where or how big. The internal investigation has begun. Until it's done, we'll probably get "We continue our redoubled efforts to answer all the questions about the documents."

Once the internal investigation has concluded, the selection of the scape goats will begin. Then the guilty parties will be presented to us in a 60 Minutes exclusive on a Sunday evening.

Until then, "Let him hang there; let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind."
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#60  The Dems have also just heard their death knell. When this many lawyers are working on something this big, nothing happens fast unless there is a lot of money resting on getting it done quickly. In this case, ther's no need to rush. So this one stays open through the election.

Terry MacAuliffe call your attorney. Perhaps a 527 will pay Dan to fall on his sword tomorrow.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||

#61  One other point. CBS /should have/ verfied all this BEFORE their story ran. Failure to do so makes them liable for charges of slander and whatever laws apply to attempted interference in a federal campaign.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 09/15/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||

#62  Just read the Kerry Spot at NRO. I think Dan is going to get his section 8.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 18:57 Comments || Top||

#63  Mrs. D -- I think the problem has been known for several days. Basically, CBS can't get its corporate chestnuts out of the fire without offering up one or more of its employees. Rather looks from here like the logical choice, but Rather is quite capable of causing CBS (and other bigshots at CBS) one heckuva lot of grief if CBS makes him the fallguy. So in this scenario you have CBS' lawyer going eyeball to eyeball with Rather's personal attorney.

As for the Dems, every day this story lasts is a day they bleed.

Another scenario, which is almost too enjoyable to comtemplate, is that the problem is with source disclosure. And I don't think burning a dishonest source would be a big deal unless that source was someone very, very important.
Posted by: Matt || 09/15/2004 19:04 Comments || Top||

#64  IT'S ALL ABOUT SOURCES, STUPID

I suggest to you that a guy like Rather and his producer have sources neither of us would dream of. Mary Mapes didn't get that Abu Grahaib stuff by not using sex, drugs, and whatever it took. Rather would have sources as high as Chief of Staff, assistant Secretary of State, even a Supreme Court Justice. I guarantee you that this source has to be protected or an entire group of people will fall. This is like an episode of NYPD Blue where the snitches are protected at all costs.

Rather will go down in flames rather than ruin the lives of a ton of people connected with Maple's sources or his sources. Bet on it. Their source is one big cookie somewhere; my betting is inside the DNC or Kerry campaign but it could just as easily be a Republican. The source is somebody big.

Really really big.
Posted by: Howard Veit || 09/15/2004 19:06 Comments || Top||

#65  Correctomundo Brick. CBS must bed made to feel the pain big time so go for the sponsors.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/15/2004 19:06 Comments || Top||

#66  bed? oy.....
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/15/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#67  Matt,

I suspect Dan, as King of CBS news did not get real corporate pressure and hostile attorney questioning until today, with or without his attorneys. If CBS had known for several days, I can't imagine the attorneys allowing Dan to dig his hole deeper and then producing this. That would explain all todfay's delays and then the measly misspelled announcement. I suspect lots of heads will roll at Black Rock.

I suspect you and Howard are correct about the source. So much so that it might affect the election and that is part of the CBS attorneys' problem.

Do you think this will rate with Watergate in the history books?

And to think that I saw it on Free Republic.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#68  Big Ed and others
My source didn't say who might go to Leavenworth over the CBS source's dirt, but I got the distinct impression it had to do with production and management and goes pretty high up the food chain, over a considerable period of time.

One other tidbit for lex, my source did say that the CBS source is associated with UT, but doesn't know in what capacity. I'm going to try to get more, but that may be all she knows.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 19:31 Comments || Top||

#69  More gossip confidential source material from the belly of the Texas Demo-beast, Austin:

Rather's source is James Moore, a local reporter for CBS affiliate KHOU in Houston. The docs were actually produced by an intern from UT, supposedly reproducing originals that Moore and the intern had seen but were unable to steal. Interestingly enough James Moore is originally from Flint Michigan, the hometown of another famous LLL Moore, Michael. I have no idea whether they are related.
KHOU is where Dan Rather started his tv career in the 50s.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/15/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#70  Funny thing is...

This is an issue that damn near everyone had already seen and adjudged.

Everyeone pretty much assumed Bush used whatever pull he had to get into the guard - who in his position at that time didnt? After all Kerry himself joined the Naval Reserve to avoid an Army draft.

And Bush fulfilled his duties, per the DD-214. THe Airforce and ANG had a pile of pilots and obsolete aircraft that they wanted to get rid of as Vietnam was winding down, so its obvious Bush caught that wave and rode it out.

And its obvious that he "crammed" his serice points into a few weeks to make up for the missed time, as did a lot of T-ANG people, like Dallas Cowboy players who were rarely seen during football season.

So many people know this and have already made their minds up about it 4 years ago that this issue only serves to bring up more questions about the Press-Kerry links than it does Bush's qualifications as president. Kerry is the one whose service has not been examined carefully, yet the press is all over Bush and ignoring glaring contradictions between Kerry's claims and actual reports.

So its no wonder that this has turned into a "media on trial" thing - and it hurts Kerry in that it only delays his "day in the sun" as the Swiftvets prepare their case and wait until things quiet down before unleashing it. The noise of this story, the connotations of "dirty politics" and the "glamor" factor of a major news figure involved amkes the Rathergate story overwhelming and negative for Kerry (generating a sympathy for Bush fromwhat some are saying), and worse, it drowns out anything Kerry might do to improve his image and his high negatives.

Add to that the visiblility Bush gains as a leader in his reponse to the hurricanes, etc.

All in all, if Kerry wants to climb into thing beyond his "I hate Bush/Bush is Hitler" core, he needs this to be put down quickly and quietly. He needs Rather to fall on his sword, CBS to apologize and burn their staff - but not the source (a source that can burn them back by providing linkage to the Kerry campaign, obviously or they would have done so already).
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||

#71  It also makes it seem as if this is the worst that can be said about Bush and that's why they have to retread the story with these "recreations" of memos and an 86 year old woman remembers typing up something about one Lt from 30 years ago, so we'll all remember what terrible things Bush did during Viet Nam while Kerry's record remains secret.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 20:59 Comments || Top||

#72  #69 Rather's source is James Moore, a local reporter for CBS affiliate KHOU in Houston. Hmmmm. This sounds pretty plausible.

Check out for instance the The New York Times Op-Ed by Mimi Swartz for Friday, February 27, 2004: “In Search Of the President's Missing Years” Sadly, the link to that archived Op-Ed is useless unless you want to pay for a look at the Op-Ed. (Those who want to pay, click here)

I was pleasantly surprised, however, to find that The New York Times must have thought that this Op-Ed was so important that (at least for now) another source has been allowed to display the entire 1360 words by Mimi Swartz. (Those who do not want to pay, click here and scroll down to the fourth article) For those who just want some clips, here they are:
Over the past few weeks, President Bush has responded to recurring questions about his National Guard service by saying that the subject is old and tiresome. According to Mr. Bush, reporters conducted a thorough investigation of his time in the Texas National Guard when he ran against Ann Richards for governor in 1994, and again when he ran against Al Gore in 2000. The complete Guard records, the president told Tim Russert on "Meet the Press," were "scoured." This came as news to me, as I lived in and reported from Texas during those times and feel that questions about the story — Mr. Bush's life story — linger 10 years after his first political victory. Why they linger is a more complicated question, one that has as much to do with the press as it does with the president. * * * the records that the consultants and reporters possessed were incomplete — they were torn, with Mr. Bush's name and other crucial pieces of information blacked out — but also because the Richards campaign backed off the issue. * * * Late in the campaign, James Moore, then a reporter with KHOU-TV in Houston, put the question to Mr. Bush in a televised debate: had he received special treatment while other young men had fought and died in Vietnam? The candidate's less than illuminating answer: not that he knew of. But by then most Texans had made up their minds to vote for Mr. Bush — he trounced Ms. Richards, and the issue, not surprisingly, went away.

* * * The few who continued to dog Mr. Bush about his military service — most notably reporters at The Dallas Morning News — found their paths blocked in myriad ways. This time, it was Al Gore's handlers, not Ms. Richards's, who lacked enthusiasm for this particular avenue of attack. * * * What's more, Mr. Bush's military service file remained incomplete — as it had in 1994. Some reporters got their information from time-consuming Freedom of Information Act requests, others took what they were handed by opposition researchers — in my experience, the unfortunate norm in most modern campaigns. If there was a release of documents comparable to the one made by the administration earlier this month, no one around here recalls it. What journalists had in the way of a paper trail led to suspicions that Mr. Bush's military record had been altered in preparation for a presidential bid — something that James Moore, the reporter who asked the Vietnam question in the 1994 governor's debate, suggests in a forthcoming book. Also, many people who were chatty in 1994 clammed up in 2000, perhaps fearful that they would alienate the future president or his famously long-memoried [sic] family. Without conclusive documentation or an attributable source, most reporters were stymied.

* * * It's also disconcerting that each election cycle comes with a new set of "complete" documents. Perhaps 2004 will be the year that details of George W. Bush's time in the National Guard — indeed, his life in the early 1970's — finally get filled in. This time around, there are certain factors that might put added pressure on reporters, editors and news organizations to complete the story. After all, the questions about Mr. Bush's service are being raised while we are at war and while the president is facing a genuine war hero as a potential opponent. Maybe this year, 10 years after Mr. Bush's first political victory, the lingering questions will finally disappear.

Hmmm. Mimi Swartz. What did she know, and when did she know it?
Posted by: cingold || 09/15/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#73  (ahem) Todfay? ;)

Lawyering up in the corporate domain. Dan's got a real ass-exposure problem, methinks. The suits aren't going down with him on this one, but they haven't quite figured out how to toss him out that 50th floor window yet.

This needs to be pursued, folks. CBS was complicit in this fraud, willing or no, and needs to have their collective pee-pee whacked.

That said - oh baby, do me eight to the bar...
Posted by: Bill Sherman || 09/15/2004 22:10 Comments || Top||

#74  "the president is facing a genuine war hero"

Someone was drinking the koolaide rather uncritically at that time, weren't they?

Swiftvets, official Navy record, etc - are all showing Kerry to be a prevaricator when it comes to his Vietnam experience.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 22:33 Comments || Top||

#75  I wonder if there's any CBS stock out there available for shorting.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 09/15/2004 23:07 Comments || Top||

#76  Anyone wonder if CBS is just stalling for time to create better memos? They say they are looking for evidence to support the first ones. What could be better than ones that passed internet tests like the ones that destroyed these.

Afterall, they just got a laundry list of things not to do when making fakes...
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 09/15/2004 23:46 Comments || Top||


LA Times : CBS Was Had
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 12:35 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hat-tip Hugh Hewitt on this LA Times Op Ed...

This is getting like a bad National Geographic Special on Cannibals...

Hewitt : While you wait for the CBS e-mail...

Drudge : CBSNEWS PLANS STATEMENT TO 'CLARIFY' BUSH GUARD DOCUMENTS STORY... DEVELOPING...

Rush : They're in deep doo-doo here

Rush off topic but cute


Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#2  except its not true that they were 'had'

Rather wasn't a victim of a hoax by the Kerry Campaign. He is part of the Kerry campaign.
Posted by: mhw || 09/15/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#3  mhw - You know that. I know that. We need proof. When we get THAT proof then Bush Popular vote goes over 60%, And the Electoral College will be 523-15 (DC, MA)
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't think Bush will get a landslide from this little event. He will be reelected and by a landslide, but this is one tiny cut of a thousand tiny cuts.

Conservatives have been saying for years how biased CBS/Rather is; this scandal just proves what the right has been saying for years.

Taken with all the negatives Kerry is karrying around, his campaign is wrecked. He may get a surge or two in polls just before the election but it will not be enough to carry him into the White House.
Posted by: badanov || 09/15/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Drudge : CBSNEWS PLANS STATEMENT TO 'CLARIFY' BUSH GUARD DOCUMENTS STORY... DEVELOPING...

This was supposed to be at Noon EDT.

We are now 1:28 late?

Anyone hear the "clarification"


"Documents reflected view of Bush"

- Killian's Secretary

"Quick - I'll fire up the computer - you contact Killian"

Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#6  CBS, "had"? No...

There's an old (non-PC) saying: You can't rape the willing.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||


NRO: Bob Schieffer is unfit for presidential debates.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/15/2004 04:18 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Schieffer: CBS needs to prove memos on Bush were authentic


You got it Super H. I think the above is evidence Schieffer is trying to save his slot as . . .

D E B A T E

M O D E R A T O R

{Queue Angelic Choir} AAAAHHHH!

Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||


Kerry coached me to lie about Atrocities
Posted by: JerseyMike || 09/15/2004 07:17 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But sadly, Mr Pitkin, he wanted to save the fantastic stories about Cambodia, CIA agents, mystic hats, and sad little puppy-dogs for himself.

You just were forced to do a standard rape-and-pillage thing.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||


Cheney Throws Kerry's Words Back at Him
EFL from Newsmax
Vice President Dick Cheney turned Sen. John Kerry's own words against him Tuesday while criticizing the Democrat for calling the war in Iraq "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." In an echo of a charge President Bush leveled at Kerry last week, Cheney contended that Kerry's position was held early in the primary campaign by Democratic presidential rival Howard Dean. "Sen. Kerry said, and I quote, 'Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president,"' Cheney said. "In the spirit of bipartisanship, that's one position of Sen. Kerry's that I do agree with," he said.
Ouch! Isn't that just like Cheney, pursuing a wounded candidate and fire at him.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/15/2004 4:00:36 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But Mr. Vice President, Sir, the Massachusetts Senator is claiming those are ill thought out words of youthful indiscretion. . .

Now he says he has "matured".
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||

#2  much like George Bush "matured" after DOING BLOW AT HIS DADDY'S CAMP DAVID
Posted by: JP || 09/15/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#3  JP, it wasn't blow man, it was hard rock crack, man. And you heard about the illegal fireworks too, back at the ranch. Everybody in Midland saw it. They saw it as far away as Waco.

Sheesh man, did you get your talking points from Kittys new book, or did you just dig up your smear trash all on your own?

Still pissed at your tax cut aren't you? Get over it dude, consider it a windfall.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/15/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#4  I understand W is way heavy into Yohimbi bark.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#5  After everything we knew and what we've learned and what we continue to find out about Kerry...

Even if Kitty Kelly could prove Bush licked psychedelic toads, I'd still vote for him. LOL!
Posted by: JDB || 09/15/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow, JP! Your sites's a real piece of shit....no wonder you don't have a "contact me" button there LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||


Aldrich calls on Kerry to release files (His FBI files)
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/15/2004 03:53 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the swiftboats material was just an appetiser. Now for the main course. This stuff is fatal for Kerry.

Prepare to see Kerry's treachery front and center. Enough of the finger food - bring on the main course.
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#2  SF-180 too - release ALL his military records, like Bush did.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#3  FBI files would be extremely bad for Kerry - the VVAW was marked to be essentially a "Domestic Terrorist" organization. And Kerry helped form the thing and gave it legitimacy with his voice.

Lets see him explain his way out of that one.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't be silly, Old Spook. Kerry doesn't s'plain anything.

He 'nuances.'
Posted by: badanov || 09/15/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#5  you'll see this when you see Teresa's tax records and JF'nK's Military records - never
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#6  We need to get OUR "CABAL" involved in touting this -

What do you think?

Would EMails to Rush-Hannity-Ingraham-Hewitt help?

The more people think about this, the better. . .

'Spook's reasoning is impeccable. I have nothing to add. . .
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#7  How about emails to Oprah? I'm good freinds with her and she takes my email in front of everyone else's.

Oh and the VVAW was labeled a domestic terrorist in much the same way Malcolm X was, so that's real f-ing valid. The FBI was a real clean, pro-free speech organization right?

you fucking tools
Posted by: JP || 09/15/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#8  OS - My understanding is that GWB has not executed an SF-180 either. I don't care if either he or Kerry ever do, but if the President did I'd like a cite.
Posted by: VAMark || 09/15/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#9  LOL. Still watching Oprah JP?
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#10  Hey hey

Ho ho

Kerry sign

Your 1-8-0
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#11  Still haven't seen your blog JP.... gettting heavy traffic is it?
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#12  I have, Ship.
Answer: Ummmmmmmmmmm....no.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#13  OS - My understanding is that GWB has not executed an SF-180 either. I don't care if either he or Kerry ever do, but if the President did I'd like a cite.

Bush signed the form.

Oh and the VVAW was labeled a domestic terrorist in much the same way Malcolm X was, so that's real f-ing valid

And as it turned out the FBI were right to do that in both cases. So, your assertion is real f*cking valid.
Posted by: badanov || 09/15/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#14  Shipman, Sefarious, tu1031, badanov -

Do we agree that someone has "issues"?

PS Ship - He's hoping for a second car give-away
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#15  The FBI was a real clean, pro-free speech organization right?

I'm pretty sure the image you have of the FBI has more to do with Soviet-era propaganda and radical leftist whining than reality. We are talking about the organization that broke the KKK, after all.

If anyone knows of a sane history of the FBI, particularly Hoover's administration, I'd love to read it. Most of what I've read is post-60s crap more interested in promoting lies about Hoover than what he really did.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/15/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#16  Letsd see:

VVAW spouted Soviet Agitprop generated propaganda designed to demoralize and defeat the US.

VVAW actively discussed the assasaination of a sitting US politicial (A Senator)

VVAW protested, sometimes violently, encouraged sedition, lies and subboorned perjury.

Thats pletny enough foor it to attract the attention of the FBI.

And you are the tool JP - you're jsut another mindless marhing minion of the left whose master pull your puppet string, and you voluntarily blind yourself to the truth - you ignore contrary facts, you jump at assumptions, and you appeal falsely to emotions instead of reason and preponderence of hard, factual evidence.

I feel sorry for you when you wake up for your durg induced hallucinations of leftism. You will be so ashamed that you ever thought such things and allowed yourself to be used so badly by the elites to whom you are nothing more than a useful idiot.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#17  Spook there were three senators: Tower, Stennis, and one other...
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#18  Oh, JP, are you the DU/Indymedia designated minder for Rantburg for this week, or just a run of the mill troll?

If you are our minder, beware - constant bombardment of facts and the ridicule of your side by its own words are hazardous to your ideological purity. You may actually find yourself separating from the herd and learning to think for yourself.

Be forewarned, this place might turn you into a libertarian instead of a socilist/communist/anarchist/leftist/liberal.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#19  hi JP just checked out your site

Tee hee you real funny
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||


Kerry Hires Ala. Woman Fired for (Kerry) Sticker (another story)
Democrat John Kerry has a new campaign worker helping him drum up support in Alabama after hiring a woman who was fired for displaying the presidential candidate's bumper sticker on her car.
(sounds real fishy...like everything else with the Kerry crowd)
Kerry called Lynne Gobbell on Tuesday after reading a newspaper story describing how she had been fired last Thursday from her job packing cellulose insulation at a Moulton, Ala., plant. Gobbell said her former employer had told her she could either work for him or Kerry. She said Kerry told her, "Let him know that as of today, you're working for John Kerry."

"He was proud of me for standing up for what I believe in," the newly employed, 41-year-old said of her quick phone call with the candidate. Gobbell said Kerry didn't offer too many details about her new position. She will be helping the campaign and may be traveling a little as it gets closer to the election. She could receive help from another corner, as well. A liberal Web site, AMERICAblog.org, began raising money for Gobbell on Monday night after learning of her dismissal. John Aravosis, who runs the site, said he collected $1,800 over a 24-hour period.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 7:00:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  poor fool. So now she has a job for two months, some cash that is equivalent to maybe one or two months rent - and no job come December, when she can hit the road with all of the other unemployed Kerry staffers.
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Gobbell said her former employer had told her she could either work for him or Kerry.

You know this sounds like the woman was doing a lot more for Kerry then having a bumper sticker on her car. Like she was doing work for Kerry on-the-job instead of what she was being paid for. Not every company wants to 'sponsor workers' like the unions do.

Has anyone contacted her ex-boss? This story is from AP.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Probably she was doing campaign related stuff on company time. That seems to be strangely missing from the story.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Goebbells, huh? Oh, sorry that was another big liar
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#5  I am Union and we are allowed to display things inside our cubicle as long as they are not offensive. I think this is a universal rule for office workers. We are also allowed to use email as long as it doesn't affect work. I do have a 'W'04' sticker in my cubicle and my political views are well known. But if I started to active campaign for Bush at work I susepct I would be asked to stop. I bet there is more to this ladies termination than a bumber sticker. If not there is am army of lawyers out there that would love to take her case.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/15/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#6  The fact that no lawsuit was mentioned speaks volumes.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Indeed. Alabama juries are known for windfall punitive damage awards. Funny that an aggrieved employee would turn to Kerry rather than his ambulance-chaser sidekick.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#8  CS We have a policy like that too. You can place 'personal' pictures and things inside your cube but not outside. You can't wear advertising t-shirts or shirts with anything but a small logo on it. Its a good policy to keep things toned down.

I was referring to the Unions themselves paying 'volunteers' to man phone banks, etc... which is a indirect contribution.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#9  See? Hire everyone in sight... he's got to have a campaign staff verging on a medium-sized company by now.
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#10  This sounds like Crazyfool and Oldspook have it figured. If anyone was fired for having a poltical bumper sticker there would be one hell of a lawsuit. This smells worse than a Bulgarian busdriver's week old odor-eaters.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/15/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#11  Geez, I wonder if she gets benefits: full medical, dental, eye, drug co-pay under $10, paid tuition reimbursement, 401k, profit sharing, two weeks paid vacation, sick days, personal days, child care, etc.

Someone should make sure that Kerry/Edwards isn't exploiting this poor woman.

And wait until they tax her $1,800 windfall...
Posted by: JDB || 09/15/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#12  See? Hire everyone in sight... he's got to have a campaign staff verging on a medium-sized company by now.

So that's how Kerry will deal with the 'lack of job creation' issue...
Posted by: Raj || 09/15/2004 22:41 Comments || Top||


Kerry campaign in chaos ;Coelho looking for a Democrat Karl Rove
Not likely to find one Tony.
From CBS

Longtime Democratic insider Tony Coelho lashed out at the John Kerry presidential campaign, characterizing it as a campaign in chaos. With yet another appointment of a former Clinton administration staffer to Kerry's team on Tuesday, Coelho argues the problem is worsening. "There is nobody in charge and you have these two teams that are generally not talking to each other," says Coehlo, who ran Al Gore's campaign early in the 2000 presidential race. As Coelho and other detractors see it, there is a civil war within the Kerry campaign.

Sen. Ted Kennedy's former staff members, Mary Beth Cahill, the Kerry campaign manager, and veteran Democratic strategist Bob Shrum are at odds with recent additions who served under President Clinton. "Here are two groups that have never gotten along and have fought, and it is a lot over money," says Coehlo. "Because in the Democratic Party the consultants get paid for the creation and the placement of [advertising]. Republicans only pay you for the creation."
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 2:22:48 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I rub my hands together and do a little jig when I read this stuff. It just warms my heart.

Coelho is a disgrace to my state. About a corupt as the day is long. He likes them `spensive Wille Brown suits and all you see.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/15/2004 5:13 Comments || Top||

#2  This division may be reflective of the state of the Democratic Party itself. One group wants to tailor their message to appeal to the middle and the other side fervently believes that the only way to win is to be true to their beliefs and lead the middle to the left side of the political spectrum. A house divided?
Posted by: Canaveral Dan || 09/15/2004 7:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Yummy!

Thus sapke Zarathustra
Posted by: Zarathustra || 09/15/2004 7:26 Comments || Top||

#4  The onl thing I can think of saying is: MUUUURRAAAHHH!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/15/2004 7:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Errata. I spake, not sapke. No mystery here, just need better glasses, or drink less wine. Just so you know...

I was thinking about the behavior of dhimmirats and recalling I've seen it before somewhere. Yea! That's it! It's a kiddie flick, but quite funny.
The dodo birds in Ice Age.
Posted by: Zarathustra || 09/15/2004 7:50 Comments || Top||

#6  The only question I have is: WHich one of these scumbags came up with the forged memos to pass onto Dan Blather?
Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 09/15/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Problems are worse than Tony thinks. 527's also have their fingers in the pie and help to define Kerry. With all that money, Kerry can't ignore them and looses more freedom to move to the center. Chinese fire drill.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Z-Get better glasses. Keep drinking wine.
Posted by: Dar || 09/15/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#9  Its the Moveon part of the party versus the last of the "real" democrats.

The Moveon folks have drank so deeply of hatred they cannot see straight and are willing to use "any means necceesary" to defeat Bush. Thats where you get looney crap like the fabricated documents, and stupid name calling they do - the same stuff that stampedes the electorate in the other direction. Problem for them is they are a small core of rich liberal elites, aging hippies and naieve college-aged wannabee-radical children.

The other part of the Dem party is the old liberal "nobility" - people who expect and demand that deference be given to them like royalty. This is the Kennedy-Kerry bunch, who believe in liberalism but generally stay within the bounds of political good sense in order to be electable.

Notice there is no room for so-called "Reagan Democrats" nor "Clinton Republicans". The party has been dragged so far to the left that it has lost its balance - and the moderating influence of "centrists". So the fight is vicious now to control the party. After all, in a religious war, the heretic is treated most harshly.

Assuming Kerry loses the election, the infighting in the Democrat party is going to be bloody. If the traditionalist win, the Moveon crowd and Soros will be dumped out on their asses. If Moveon wins, the party will be abandoned and left as a shell full of only radical idealogues who will toe the far left line, throw out anyone who is not idealogically pure enough (Vote the PETA line or else!), and marginalize themselves in the process.

The Republican party had a similar fight with itself in the 1970's, which resulted in a new unity under Ronald Reagan. But Reagan was not nearly as radical right as these people are radical left, and the "centrist" element of the Republican party was and still is fairly influential as a counterweight. The extreme conservatives didnt like this, but they had nowhere else to go.

Democrats, however, if they are extremists, they do have somewhere else to go: Nader and Moveon. Thats why the Democrat party could shatter after this election if they cannot get Kerry in the Whitehouse.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#10  good post OS

I think what will happen is that the "Democrats" will move to the fringes and stay there. Their following will remain loyal until the day they die - true believers. Envision Grateful Dead devotees, living their future embracing a bygone era.

The next true, ideological battle will be between "moderate republicans" and "conservative republicans". Ie: the Arnie's v/s the Lotts.

The battle might take place in the nominating process: Ie: who gets the nomination to run against the failed moonbats - or it might actually take the form of two separate parties....conservative v/s moderate.

IJMHO, but I think that is where the future elections will split.
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#11  OS,

Great post, but I believe there is one underlying difference between the two parties:

GOP is above all an ideological party. The individual elements may be debated, but they usually include: lower taxes, fewer government programs, self-reliance, strong national defense, etc.

The Democrats, while we enjoy calling them leftist moonbats, have a huge number of constituencies, many (if not most) who could care less about gun control, homosexual rights, etc. These are the ethnic minorities, unions, lawyers, etc., whose main motivation is getting $$$ out of the government, directly or indirectly. Getting such a conglomeration to move in the same direction is akin to herding cats, and probably explains why Dems have been far more successful at the local level than at the presidential.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 09/15/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#12  Just to expand on what OldSpook and 2B brought up, we could see a realignment like small-government Republicans going to the Libertarians, conservative Democrats going to the Republicans, and hard leftists going to the Greens/Naderites/Etc., leaving the Democrats as the party of mild liberalism. Thus, to use European terminology, there would be Christian Democrats (Republicans, with conservative Democrat refugees); Social Democrats (liberal Democrats); and Greens (hard leftists); with the Libertarians fulfilling their uniquely American role. The Republicans would find their power base in the South, the Libertarians in the West, the Democrats in the Northeast and the Midwest, and the Greens in California and the Pacific Northwest. Then things would get really complicated.
Posted by: Jonathan || 09/15/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#13  Notice there is no room for so-called "Reagan Democrats" nor "Clinton Republicans". The party has been dragged so far to the left that it has lost its balance - and the moderating influence of "centrists".

Not so. On most economic issues the Dems have pretty much swallowed the Republican agenda. Clinton and Bob Rubin brought the party into the economic mainstream. Only on the social issues do the Dems' leadership skew to the left.

The Dems' crisis is not over ideology in general but over the Iraq war and more fundamentally, how to respond to a changed world order. Kerry embodies perfectly the party's confusion and incoherence about the Iraq war. What's not appreciated is the party leadership's inability to come to terms with several larger facts about the changed world situation, especially:

-- the inadequacy of traditional foreign policy notions like state sovereignty in an age of globalized terror and asymmetric threats;

-- NATO's irrelevance to the above threats, which almost all emanate from regions where NATO cannot project real power;

-- the fecklessness of that other legacy of the Cold War, the UNSC, in addressing those threats;

-- the rise of non-European powers that are at one and the same time rivals to the US and increasingly dependent on the US.

What has Kerry or the party's leadership said about China? India? Russia? About asymmetric threats, pre-emptive war, about a replacement for the UN, about troop redeployments etc?

Bottom line is that it will be impossible to come up with any kind of a coherent foreign policy strategy that can simultaneously appeal to responsible internationalist Dems and neo-isolationist conspiracy-mongers like Howie and Mikey Boy. The Dems will have to tilt one way or the other: a leftish isolationism in the Nader mode, or a realistic internationalism in the Truman mode. And either tilt will destroy the party.

Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#14  Karl Rove-like Dem Advisor?
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 12:59 Comments || Top||

#15  Looks like the Democrats are in a quagmire.
Posted by: Austin || 09/15/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#16  Isn't anyone drawing the obvious conclusion from the Democratic Party's presidential campaign? The party has become, through failure of leadership and vision, massively incompetent. They focus on appearance not substance. They select a candidate who has only one qualification for the job - he wants it. Can you believe the moral bankrupcy of a party putting up a candidate for the highest office in the land, who, in a just world wouldn't be a senator, he'd be getting ready for his 27th parole hearing in a federal prison where he'd been serving a life sentence for treason.
Posted by: Mercutio || 09/15/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#17  I also blame this on campaign finance reform.

I'm a small-government conservative; IMO the gov't is too big, too costly, and has its sticky fingers in wa-a-a-a-a-y too many pies.

The more the government assumes authority to interfere in our business and personal transactions (through taxation, laws, and regulation), the more "special interest" money is needed to influence the persons in authority.

I hold that we can't regulate money out of politics; like a river, the money will still find a way to flow. Campaign finance "reform" just forced the money flow elsewhere, leaving the parties with much less control of their candidate and their platform.

Cut the size and scope of government and you'll cut out the need for all the "special interest" money; in the long run, I bet most businesses would rather spend their money on improving their product than on lame politicians...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#18  One other thing the Democrats are/have been unable to deal with is the evolution of Europe. The anti-Americans (France, Germany, Belgium, Sweden...) have long been considered by the Left to be models of enlightened anti-capitalism. The New Europe is the new fruit of the liberation of Eastern Europe (thanks to the US) and the remnants of UK independence -- but the Left cannot allow itself to recognize this as it would endanger their world-view. Communism has failed, Eastern Europe is in full recovery mode, and the franco-german alliance is swimming in proto-socialist institutions.

I would like to hear more Republicans call this out, not just Rummy and Arnold.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 09/15/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#19  Interesting that the Dem party had to deny their left wing and pretend to be centrist to try and capture votes - exhibit for the prosecution: Dem Convention: "I'm John Kerry , and I'm reporting for duty"
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#20  I can't see the Democrats' falling apart or disappearing. They have a strong core of the various government unions (NEA, AFSCME, AFT) and trial lawyers. Even if all the moderates join the GOP and the leftists go the Greens, that still leaves 30%+. Now, they might be forced into a regional party (the coasts and inner cities) unable to win on a national level, but still keep 35+ senators and 150+ reps, like the GOP in the 30s or mid 70s.

Still, if that does happen, then I can't see the GOP holding all the other seats without a breakdown eventually. There is simply too much difference between the liberal and conservatives to hold in one party. It works if you have McKinley, TR, FDR, or Ronald Reagan as President, but if you have a Buchanon or Pierce, the leaders of the various factions tear the party in half. It wouldn't happen right away, but it would happen.

Another reason to be dubious about the breakup is the lack of an issue. If you are for the war against the islamists, you more or less have a home in the GOP, even if you don't agree with what the current administration and Congressional leadership are doing on spending, gay marriage, whatever. If you are against taking effective action, you can fit in with the Democrats. In the 1850s, neither of the two major parties was anti-slavery, so splinter groups from each made a fusion into the Republican party, which forced the Democrats to be a status quo party, so that left no room for the Whigs. Today, as I said, the major positions on the war, and most other big issues, are covered by the major parties.
Posted by: jackal || 09/15/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#21  Perhaps, jackal, but it's much tougher to survive today as a splinter party than in 1850. How many Congressional elections have the Libertarians won?

The Dems' unions, along with Hollywood+Wall Street+odd tech millionaire money, are indeed the only thing holding the party together. Given the fact of racial gerrymandering, a game that both parties willingly play, you're right that the Dems will maintain a grip on every >50% afr-amer district and left-lib enclaves in Manhattan, west LA, San Fran, college towns. Maybe that equates to 150 reps; I don't know.

Where I think both parties are vulnerable is with a growing number of fiscally-sane moderates in both parties that are loathe to vote for Kerry but are also not keen on either Rove Republicanism or Bush's conduct of the postwar in Iraq. These folks would be happy to vote for Rudy or McCain over Bush and Kerry, or for that matter anyone the Deaniac Dems or Rove Repubs can put forward. They include college-educated blue state Repubs (think: Calif) and red state Dems (think: Texas) as well as large numbers of active-duty military families who are underpaid and badly treated by the Pentagon (think: TX, NC, VA, CO, GA, FL). Note that these groups are easy to reach via the internet-- no need for union or church-organized boiler room calling bank operations.

If you could add to these groups a large number of Hispanics-- who also do not fit neatly into either party-- then you've got a good shot at winning CA, TX, nearly all the western states and possibly FL, NC, VA, GA as well. That's about 220 electoral votes.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#22  Think of Arnold's coalition: moderate yuppies + current and ex-military + immigrants.

A winning formula for the fastest-growing states in the Union, which are growing fast in large measure because of rapid increases in yuppie and immigrant populations.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#23  Seafarious - IMO, the only campaign finance "reform" needed is that national candidates have 48 hours to post on the Internet the name, city & state, and $ amount of ALL contributions.

They can take all the money they like, but they have to tell the American people WHO and HOW MUCH, and they have to tell us now, during the campaign, not sometime after the election.

(The money must still come from the person donating - no $2000 reimbursements from some rich guy to a bunch of nuns or secretaries or other lower-income people for their so-called "contributions.")

This is the electronic age; let's use it to make these wankers a little more honest (or at least up-front).
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#24  It doesn't matter whether these guys can or cannot find a Democrat equivalent of Karl Rove at this stage of the campaign. The plain truth is, you can't polish a turd.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/15/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||

#25  Barbara, absolutely. Give as much as you want, but disclose every single dollar.
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||

#26  Jackal, I and my fellow engineers with a large So Cal city south of LA....think Chargers.... are members of our union (union shop agreem't), and mostly (by my count) vote Rep. We want to keep our wages, and support smaller gov't. We provide infrastructure improvem'ts at a cost less than any other similar size city in the region. Don't assume all gov't employees are Dems or support their policies
Posted by: Frank G || 09/15/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#27  Is there a Kerry campaign left?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||


Political Analyst Charlie Cook Channels Dead Man
Posted by: Adam || 09/15/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wonkette.... Wanker. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: Anonymous6459 || 09/15/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  .com - the picture of Susan Estrich at this link is one for your files.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/15/2004 0:32 Comments || Top||

#3  E-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-w-w-w-w-w-w-w!!!!

Thanks, SH, I now need to take a Brillo pad to my eyes.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/15/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#4  heheh I have it filed for future use ;D
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/15/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#5  That picture! LOL!
Posted by: V is for Victory || 09/15/2004 9:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Holy Christ, you could sterilize cattle with that expression!
Posted by: Jonathan || 09/15/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#7  That's nothing. You should see it when it spins all the way around.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||


Congressional Hearings on Tap?
In a letter Tuesday night to Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., chairman of the Subcommittee of Telecommunications and the Internet, Rep Christopher Cox, R-Calif., called for a probe into what he described as "the continued use by CBS News of apparently forged documents concerning the service record of President George W. Bush intended to unfairly damage his reputation and influence the outcome of the 2004 presidential election."
Granted that's just a formal request by a single legislator but holy cow is this thing ever moving fast!
Bad idea. We don't want Congress to punish the Press, we want other members of the Press, and the public, to punish the Press. Get Congress involved, and the Press will circle the wagons around CBS. Dan Rather will become a martyr rather than a washed-up, angry old man who's lost whatever professional respect he may once have commanded.
Posted by: AzCat || 09/15/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...intended to unfairly damage his reputation and influence the outcome of the 2004 presidential election."

An excellent definition of modern politics. I don't think Congress will be moving on this one anytime soon.
Posted by: Mister Write || 09/15/2004 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, but we have to have congressional hearings! It sort of a tradition. How can we punish the innocent without public floggings? I mean, PlameGate got hearings...

Not that I think CBS is innocent in all this - they deserve a very public flogging and a few heads rolling about underfoot for their blatant covering up for the guilty party or parties.

Dan Rather? Off with his head. Mapes? Boil her in oil. CBS? Penny-ante advertising hell for the whole goddam board. NO CASH FLOW FOR YOU!
Posted by: mojo || 09/15/2004 0:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Also a likely FEC violation. Not something the congress needs to get involved in.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/15/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Bad idea

Normally I'd agree and your logic is spot-on but without serious external pressure, CBS and their allies in the MSM will stonewall while this story dies on the vine. E.g., rumor has it that bright and early tomorrow CBS will issue a press release stating that the memos are genuine and that they completely support Rather in his witch hunt (this is alleged to come "right from the top"). See also this wonderful headline from tomorrow's NY Times, "Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate, Typist Says". Also be certain to check the wire service stories on Bush's speech to members of the NG in CO today, prominently featured is the idea that Bush ducked addressing the content of the memos. The LA Times also has a new piece that chastises CBS for getting caught & not helping the Kerry campaign while asserting that no one needs any evidence to know that Bush received special treatment and didn't fulfill his commitment (despite ZERO evidence to support either assertion). Etc., etc., etc.

There are at least 2 issues here that outweigh the entertainment value of watching CBS & Rather twist in the wind: 1) allowing the use of forged documents by a large MSM organization attempting to influence a Presidential campaign to go unpunished will spell disaster for future campaigns; and 2) we need to know who passed the docs along to CBS and that will not happen until CBS is forced to admit that their memos are forgeries, until then they'll hide behind the facade of protecting their sources and/or confidentiality agreements with sources.

Clearly a large swath of the MSM is already attempting to circle the wagons and without some adult supervision (even the sort of irresponsible and politically charged adult supervision Congress can provide) they'll probably get away with it.
Posted by: AzCat || 09/15/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#5  I disagree AzCat. The Washington Post, and ABC news are all over this. And for good reason. News organizations are businesses, and the only thing this business has to sell is its credibility. CBS shot its credibility all over the wall. The rest of the MSM know that if they don't take Rather down, then thei will look complicent in perpetrating a fraud on the American people.

They know that either CBS goes down, or they all go down, and have to find new jobs. Possilby forced to do their work in pajamas. This is twice now this summer the MSM has been beaten up by the blogs. First they try to ignore the SwiftVets, now this.

MSM will do the hatchet job, because they know that otherwise, they will be next to get hatcheted. They are watching Fox News eat their lunch, and getting smacked around by blogs, this is hurting their credibility and their bottom line.
Posted by: Ben || 09/15/2004 5:36 Comments || Top||

#6  "smacked around by blogs"??

The only people who read weblogs are people who write them. The rest of us don't care.
Posted by: gromky || 09/15/2004 6:29 Comments || Top||

#7  actually the blogs have been beating the MSM to the punch quite a bit. Drudge is considered a "blog" by the MSM by the way. Problems with inflated circulation numbers by major print media has left them with a black eye in a market that is driven by eyeballs. Fox News is creaming it's competition in the TV ratings. The MSM is going to devour Rather and CBS regardless.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/15/2004 6:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Me too Gromky, I used to read blogs but they got too crowded.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 8:02 Comments || Top||

#9  #6& #8 you two forgot to put the 'smiley' at the end of your comments. ;-) After all blogging is what Rantburg does best and right now there 203 people signed on to this Web blog.
Posted by: GK || 09/15/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#10  Good idea to call for them, bad idea to hold them. The WH press operation should shun CBS in the second term. Never recognize them. Not one question. Not one interview. The Leper Colony
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 9:25 Comments || Top||

#11  gromsky: "The only people who read weblogs are people who write them. The rest of us don't care."

This is SO not true. Since introducing my 70 year old Mother to blogs, she has become addicted.

She no longer believes any of the crap coming out of the print/broadcast outlets. And, she has brought these sources of information to the attention of her friends and coworkers.

That has had the effect of energizing a long dead interest in politics and other issues. These people for so long have despaired at the bias rampant in the MSM.

Now, they are interested again, and the word is spreading. I'm talking about people 60 and up, conservative and excited about where blogging might take the political battlefield.

To summarize: you are wrong!

CiT
Posted by: CiT || 09/15/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#12  At first I was not on board with this but now I am seeing the logic. The public airwaves are just that public and they (congress) should exercise some control over with respect to the public interest. If CBS knowingly ran a story that was factually wrong then the public has a right to know. If it doesn’t matter what is broadcast over the public airwaves then they might as well give Al Jerzera, Playboy, and KKK their own public license. What does Dan know and when did he know it! I am betting the letter came from his twisted daughter and he is protecting her.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/15/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#13  Agree we should focus on Dan's daughter. Has to be someone too young to remember IBM Selectrics.

I doubt Congress would hold hearings. This is a two-edged sword.

As to the demise of the MSM, doubt it-- I think they'll simply morph into openly partisan viewspapers and viewschannels, as Pinch Sulzberger's NYTimes has already done. That's a good marketing strategy--certainly better than trying to hang on to a core demographic that's of interest only to pharmaceutical company advertisers.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Yep, what Yogi said. But I can't wait to find out the who! CBS is screwed. I'll never believe anything they post until it's vetted by the blogs.

I wonder who will be the first to crack the code of silence?

Posted by: Lucky || 09/15/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#15  Can you picture the person(s) who actually created the documents? They must have a real bad stomachache and an Excedrin headache (not to mention the night sweats) right about now...
Posted by: Seafarious || 09/15/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#16  I don't think there is going to punishment from Congress on this. Rather, it will just be a good airing of a tremendous stink over at "the Tiffany Network".

The subcommittee on broadcasting has a form for reporting fraud. If using documents such as this and persisting in claiming they are real doesn't constitute fraud, I don't know what does. (LINK to subcommittee tipline)
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#17  But the code will be cracked and those that attempt to keep the charade alive will be outed.

If this has Kerry's campaign finger prints on it and CBS coordinated this with other news orgs. (Remember gravitas). Then something needs to be addressed.

My local paper, the Tacoma News Tribune, had an article two days before the CBS hit piece aired, reopening Ws service. After the sad CBS affair broke they had an editorial labelling the Swiftvets charges as unsubstantiated and also calling CBS to task (how balanced, no). Punks need to look in the mirror, useful idiots, carrying Kerrys' bucket.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/15/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#18  Wonder if it was one of the MoveOn or other leftist 527 idiots?
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#19  The trial lawyers are steamed, and making nasty noises off-stage. CBS better watch it's ass, or they're gonna find themselves up the proverbial creek, sans paddle.
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/dan_rather_was_.html
Posted by: mojo || 09/15/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#20  If you listened to the guy from Powerline last night on Brit Hume's show it (the forgery dirty trick) seems to have been telegraphed a few days ahead of time. He said that he read in the Boston Globe that Kerry's campaign was starting a new task force "Fortunate Son" that would start to sling mud focus on Bushes ANG service. Then you get Susan (Smokes to much)Estrich whining about the swifties and asking out loud if the Bush camp would like a taste of their own medince. Then low and behold 60II goes and drops the ball on the Memos. "Coordinated efficiency" as Lombardi use to call teamwork!
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/15/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#21  One thing that can be done right how is change the Presidential Debates. Right now, CBS is MCing one (all?) of them. Yank that and give it to Fox or ABC or someone else.
Posted by: jackal || 09/15/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#22  It is not the idea of hearings being bad on its own, but the scope of the hearings. Fraud, FCC, FEC issues are part of the law, and should be dealt with.

Witchhunts for all minor indiscretions by MSM should be out of bounds. BUT these 4 memos are germaine to any hearings.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Billions Needed to Meet U.N. Development Goals
By Patricia Reaney
Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:34 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Wealthy countries must donate billions more dollars to ensure women's reproductive rights and cut population growth, a U.N. report said on Wednesday. If nations fail to keep their pledges, plans to balance the world's people with its resources and improve the status of women by 2015 may not be met, according to the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA) "State of the World Population 2004" report. More girls in poor nations are being educated and more countries have policies to ensure their rights since the goals were set a decade ago at the 1994 International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD) in Cairo. But over half a million women still die from pregnancy-related complications each year and the global population is growing, the report said.

"Even as the needs continue to mount, the response of the international community has been -- to put it plainly -- woefully inadequate," UNFPA executive director Thoraya Ahmed Obaid told reporters. Donor countries have given only about half the $6.1 billion a year pledged by 2005 and lack of funding is impeding progress. "Quite a bit of progress has been made in the past 10 years but it is not as we had hoped it would be. We still have quite a way to go to reach the targets set for 2015," Obaid told Reuters.

HALFWAY POINT TO 2015
The UNFPA report marks the halfway point to the deadline set at the Cairo meeting. "It is a call for governments to invest in the education, health and human rights of women and young people to ensure a more equitable and sustainable world," said Obaid. The report is a summary of surveys done in 160 countries to gauge their progress since the Cairo meeting. It shows many nations have enacted laws or policies to guarantee women access to family planning and protect them from domestic or sexual violence. "Policies have been adopted but implementation is not as fast or as widespread as we would like it to be," said Obaid. Three-quarters of countries have national strategies to deal with HIV/AIDS and the use of contraception has increased from 55 percent in 1994 to 61 percent today.

But there are about 200 million poor women in developing countries who still do not have access to effective birth control and huge gaps exist in the availability and quality of healthcare between rich and poor. "World population will rise from 6.4 billion today to 8.9 by 2050," Obaid said. "Although families are getting smaller in many regions, the 50 poorest countries will triple in size, to 1.7 billion people." She believes that the fact that a woman dies every minute from a pregnancy-related complication is the most glaring indicator of the rich/poor health divide.
The UN can crawl up America's @ss for their "billions more dollars." They routinely squander billions as it is with little to ZERO effect on genocide, terrorism and a host of other substantial world problems. Instead we are treated to the spectacle of the 2002 UN Hunger Conference attendees gorging themselves on foie gras, lobster, filet of goose, salmon and mushroom crepes, all washed down with vintage wines and liqueurs. Here's the menu:

U.N. Hunger Conference
June 13, 2002

Toast di foie gras con kiwi (Foie gras on toast with kiwi fruit)

Aragosta in vinagrette (Lobster in vinaigrette)

Filetto d'oca con olive (Fillet of goose with olives)

Verdure di stagione (Seasonal vegetables)

Composta di frutta con vaniglia (Compote of fruit with vanilla)

Mushroom crêpes

Risotto with orange and zucchini slices

Salmon with peppers and polenta


These corrupt pigs deserve a kick in the teeth before they should see another penny to line their pockets. The Oil-for-Palaces scandal should have forever shamed them, but they do not blush to come forward demanding more BILLIONS!
Posted by: Zenster || 09/15/2004 3:59:49 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Wealthy countries must donate billions more dollars to ensure women’s reproductive rights and cut population growth, a U.N. report said on Wednesday.
They mean the VERY WEALTHY oil countries of Arabia, Iran, Libya, etc., right?

Right?

*crickets*
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/15/2004 16:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah...ummmmmmmmmmm...good luck with that....and bon appetit!
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||

#3  An annual $6 billion divided between 200 million women comes to about $30 per woman. Oh yeah, that should be a real boost to birth control and health care after these bureaucrats take out their foie gras and other expenses. Does this mean that Kofi's son needs a new job, or that the one he has does not pay enough yet?
Posted by: Tom || 09/15/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Tom, that would end out at about $1.69 per woman after the UN dogs get their teeth into it.

Here is a link to more Details on what the UN is spending the money on.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Muslims back off Six Flags Muslims-only day!
Posted: September 15th, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein


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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
An Islamic group is backing off its boast of a Muslims-only day at a popular theme park, just hours after WND brought to light plans for the "Great Muslim Adventure Day."

The article prompted numerous responses from WND readers who informed Six Flags they would stop attending its amusement parks.

The Muslim Youth Division of the Islamic Circle of North America and the Muslim American Society, two of the largest Muslim organizations in America, had said they arranged exclusive use of Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, N.J., for the entire day Friday. The ICNA website declared, "First Time Ever — All Day — Entire Park Exclusively for Muslims!"

Debbie Nauser, vice president of public relations for the Six Flags theme park, confirmed yesterday to WorldNetDaily the park would be open only for "Muslims and their friends."

Six Flags has hosted other event days, including an annual Passover theme in which the park is predominantly filled with Orthodox Jews, but the venue remains open to outsiders and seasonal ticket holders, and organizers of previous events never have claimed exclusive use of the park.

But following the WND story, the ICNA website removed all references to exclusive use of the park, and Nauser said the park would not be used exclusively by the Muslim groups.

The original ICNA invitation said the event is designed to "provide entertainment for the entire family! Imam Zaid Shakir will lead the Friday afternoon prayers at 2 p.m., the comedy routine 'Allah Made Me Funny' will show twice, Comedian Azhar Usman will perform, and 'Alhamdulillah,' the entire park is reserved for Muslims only!"

The organization expected more than 10,000 Muslims.

WND informed Nauser it recently attended an ICNA-sponsored event featuring a main speaker who voiced empathy and support for suicide bombers, denied Muslims were involved in 9-11, characterized the war on terror as a conspiratorial Zionist plot designed to destroy Islam and Muslims and blamed attacks on affirmative action on "the rise of the Jewish cracker." Also, she was told Judicial Watch charges ICNA has ties to Hamas.

But Nauser told WND that before Six Flags booked the group, they received an okay from the local FBI.

Militant Islam Monitor also says ICNA recently held a conference at Liberty Bell Park in Philidelpha in which a speaker urged youths to join a Jihad traning camp to "educate the youth and provide them with the proper understanding of the concept of Jihad."

The cost of the camp was $200, which included transportation, food and accommodations. Attendees were asked to sign a waiver form and reportedly were told "many knowledgeable people will come and teach us. Many important lessons await."

WorldNetDaily received a flurry of e-mails from readers who said they called Six Flags to cancel their season passes or to say they'd stop going to the amusement park.

Reader Don Terry wrote, "I did in fact contact Debbie Nauser. I informed her that although I'd visited the Vallejo park many times over the years, I wouldn't be returning, ever. She basically said she didn't care."

Reader Austin Travis wrote, "It is wrong to even do business with a 'terrorist' supporting group ... . All business entities in America should never do business with any organization that supports terrorism. This means every business needs to get busy knowing which ones are this way. I think these theme park people at 'Six Flags of America' are actually bringing reproach upon the 6 flags that they represent!"

A company in Virginia Beach, Va., Motorbyte LLC, told WND it contacted Six Flags to return 30 corporate season passes.


Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 7:03:52 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Militant Islam Monitor also says ICNA recently held a conference at Liberty Bell Park in Philidelpha..."

He's using the name to pull our chain. "Liberty Bell Park" became "Keystone Park" in 1974 and then "Philadelphia Park" sometime around the mid-80's. It's a horse track that will rent conference space to anyone that wants a room.
Posted by: Tom || 09/15/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I thought having fun was considered un-Islamic.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/15/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  I hope Six Flags also reserved the following 6 days for the park to be throughly searched for arms and explosives by law enforcement.

And yes, I am doing religious (not racial) profiling....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#4  To accommodate their Mooslim guests, some of the attractions were going to be renamed, or adjusted.

For example: the Whirli-Gig is now the “Whirling Dervish”, in the Fun House, the air compressor is cranked up to the max in order to lift a burka waist high, the Flashback shows the Twin Towers pre and post 9-11, Bumper Cars come with mini explosives, and the Roaring Rapids is now the Sand Dunes Slide, while the “House of Horrors” is the House of 72 Virgins.

Hurry…hurry…hurry! Step right up and get your tickets!
Posted by: RN || 09/15/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#5  I think they're well within their rights to book the park for an entire day. During the internet boom years, a well-known investment firm did an employees-only booking at the local Great Adventure. It wasn't restricted to people of one religion, but it was an exclusive booking. Think of this as a religious outing, just like one of those Campus Crusades that evangelicals conduct from time to time. I don't really see any harm in this kind of outdoor fun. Better this than parading outside with simulated suicide bomb belts.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/15/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm far more concerned when Muslim proselytization extends into our textbooks. But booking venues for functions isn't anything to get worked up about.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/15/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#7  OOPS! There's another one;

The Suicide-belt Slide for Life. No EXIT ramp required.
Posted by: RN || 09/15/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#8  I dont have a problem with them booking it for a day either - even exclusively. As long as the park remains safe afterwards. I would feel the same if the DNC or CBS reserved the park.

Oh and add the 'Schoolchildren Target Shoot' and rename the 'Fun House' the 'House of Rape' (I'm sure the Sudanese Governmen would be proud to sponsor it)....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Booking the park exclusively is no big deal.

The connections to terrorism? thats a big deal.

My only other concern would be any attempts to force park employees to dress 'islamically correct" especially if it was hot. It just wouldn't be fair.
Posted by: peggy || 09/15/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#10  And yes, I am doing religious (not racial) profiling....

Apparently, so was Six Flags:

But Nauser told WND that before Six Flags booked the group, they received an okay from the local FBI.

Think they do that for Passover?

I wonder when KKK Day is.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 09/15/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#11  Think they do that for Passover?

I must have missed the news articles about the dreaded Hebrew Jihad. Care to enlighten me, or are you content to make snarky comments that suggest that one group is the same as the other?
Posted by: BH || 09/15/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#12  ...are you content to make snarky comments that suggest that one group is the same as the other?

I could be content to let sarcasm sail serenely over your head, but: I want to know whether Six Flags religiously profiled the Muslim group when they checked with the FBI. I think they did. I approve of this step. But it's the kind of thing many people would not approve of, and I'm a little surprised Six Flags admitted it.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 09/15/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#13  I can't see the wrong here that would upset so many people and cause the backlash. There are millions of Muslims in the USA and the greatest number are law abiding, hard working and strongly patriotic Americans. Go to Detroit and see for yourself. But they do have a problem within their religion that they alone can solve. Much like the Catholics with paederest priests and militant Irish apologists as well as the same for the likes of Rev. Ian Paisley. Muslims are not the problem - radical Islam is.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/15/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#14  Well, not to be a party pooper--but . . .

I think our ethnocentricity is showing. We want to be good ol' Americans and say "sure, have a fun day with your group-bring the family--the kids--invite your neighbors”! And frankly, I wish we could park it there--and I would, too, except that the Islamic Circle of North America and the Muslim American Society boldly proclaimed:

"First Time Ever – All Day – Entire Park Exclusively for Muslims!" This is a real coup de tat for them. That's how they see it. They want to make inroads into the infrastructure of America and American life and redefine it. The fact that they are BOASTING about it is the dead giveaway. (Anybody remember the stories of muslim groups buying up property and opening schools and mosques and building neighborhoods just for themselves? It’s all a part of their concept of “jihad” and focuses on infiltration, proselytizing, fund-raising, gaining power and influence in local politics, and scouting for jihadi trainees.)

Additionally, the same group that’s sponsoring the Six Flags event has ties to Hamas, and also sponsored an event that:

1) featured a main speaker who voiced empathy and support for suicide bombers

2) denied that Muslims were involved in 9-11

3) characterized the war on terror as a conspiratorial Zionist plot designed to destroy Islam and Muslims

4) blamed attacks on affirmative action on "the rise of the Jewish cracker"

5) held a conference that “urged youths to join a Jihad training camp to educate the youth and provide them with the proper understanding of the concept of Jihad."

Hmmmm. Five "pillar-like" reasons to be very suspicious, and it certainly sounds like a bit more than the annual “Campus Crusade Family Day at Six Flags,” to me. But I sure wish they could settle down and just be “regular folks,” don’t you?

Posted by: ex-lib || 09/15/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#15  So what should we do about the Irish and all their support for the IRA?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 15:14 Comments || Top||

#16  Lock them in a Jesuit seminary for a week with a strict no sleeping on your back regimen.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#17  Since Six Flags agreed to this insanity why not go all the way and have 'Blow Up America Day' or one better and longer 'National or International Jihad Fun Week'. Get the lunatics coming in world-wide.

The management at Six Flags should be called on the carpet on this one. Selling out your country for the sake of a admission ticket? Some people have no morals what-so-ever.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#18  How about something as simple
Feel Safe! It's No Muslims Day!
Posted by: Shipman || 09/15/2004 18:37 Comments || Top||

#19  Shipman: How about something as simple Feel Safe! It's No Muslims Day!

I find this gathering kind of strange, because these functions (among non-Muslim organizations) are generally pitched as a way to encourage togetherness. These guys are pitching it as a place where there are no non-Muslims, as if non-Muslims were somehow unclean. I don't have a problem with the function, but think the guys promoting it are real head cases.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/15/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
John Kerry Jokes and Quotes
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 22:13 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


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Gang Rape a favourite in Tribal areas
The gang rape case of Mukhtaran Bibi highlights the urgent need to investigate the role of tribal councils in Pakistan, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch sent a letter this week to President Musharraf urging scrutiny of the role of such councils in abuses against women in Pakistan.
These tribal councils must not be used as vehicles to deny women their rights and physically assault them. Pakistani officials must ensure that tribal councils operate in ways that respect the rule of law and women's equality."
LaShawn R. Jefferson
Executive Director of the Women's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch
On June 22, during a Mastoi tribal council meeting in the village of Meerwala, in southern Punjab, four men, including one of the tribal council members, allegedly raped Mukhtaran Bibi, a thirty-year-old member of the Gujjar tribe. The rape, which occurred in the presence of a large number of villagers, was intended as "punishment" for the conduct of her brother, Abdul Shaqoor, who had been seen with an unchaparoned woman from the Mastoi Tribe. The woman, Salma Bibi, is now reportedly in police custody with her mother. Mukhtaran Bibi was forced to return home naked after the rape before a crowd of Mastoi villagers. The victim is reported to have said that members of the Mastoi also raped her brother, and that police allegedly asked for a bribe of 11,000 rupees (U.S.$180) for his release from police custody.
"These tribal councils must not be used as vehicles to deny women their rights and physically assault them," said LaShawn R. Jefferson, Executive Director of the Women's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch. "Pakistani officials must ensure that tribal councils operate in ways that respect the rule of law and women's equality."

In its letter, Human Rights Watch said that although a number of individuals identified as perpetrators in the assaults against Mukhtaran Bibi have been arrested, the Pakistan government authorities need to ensure that investigations proceed with respect for due process and accountability for the offenses committed, and provide for the full protection of the victims and their families.

Human Rights Watch also requested clarification on the role of the police in the case, particularly the allegations of bribery by the police and the reported detentions of Abdul Shaqoor, Salma Bibi, and her mother.

see related:
Rape a Crime or custom?
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/pakistan/
Posted by: Fawad || 09/15/2004 8:20:23 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Imagine the total lack of any Human values in a society which broke away from India just for religion. I am sure this behaviour is in accordance with their beliefs.
Posted by: Fawad || 09/15/2004 22:03 Comments || Top||

#2  But... But... But.... Slavery and the Raping of women are a religious obligation of all Muslims!

After all -- Muhammad did it! So its an obligation!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 23:16 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Kerry, NOBODY LIKES HIM
It should not surprise anyone. He is a rich dame chasher, a snob, phoney, power hungry putz, what's to like already?


New York Post September 15th, 2004 --


JOHN Kerry is in deeper trouble than the polls indicate. While the Fox News survey taken last week after the Republican convention shows Bush with a small lead over Kerry, the internal data indicates big shifts against the Democrat.

For example, Kerry is now seen unfavorably by a record 44 percent of the voters (his personal worst), giving him a slightly higher unfavorable ratio than Bush — whom 43 percent dislike. (Bush's edge comes from the fact that he gets 51 percent to rate him favorably, while Kerry has only a 46 percent favorable rating.)

But worse, the poll shows that Kerry must face a basic problem: His own voters don't like him very much.

The Fox News poll asked Kerry supporters if their vote for the Democrat could best be described as motivated by support for Kerry (41 percent) or by opposition to Bush (51 percent). By contrast, Bush voters emphatically say, by 82-13, that they are voting for the president rather than against the challenger.

This puts Kerry in a tough position in the coming debates. He has no real base of support and any attenuation of the dislike his voters feel for Bush will weaken him substantially. All Bush has to do is to persuade a few Kerry voters to stop disliking him, and he can get their votes. There is no residual affection for the Democrat to get in the way of their switching to the president.

The polls already have shown how Kerry's own voters break almost evenly on the issues, with half supporting the war in Iraq and half opposing it, and almost equal numbers saying we must stay the course as say we should bring the troops home.

So Kerry can't use issues to hold his own in the debates: Whatever he says will antagonize some of his base. And now it's plain that he can't rely on personal popularity to hold them, since most are just voting against Bush.

If the president gives an even moderately effective presentation and comes across as even somewhat likeable, he can cut deeply into Kerry's vote.

In addition, the poll shows that there has been a shift in the issues on which voters are focused. Those who identify terrorism or homeland security as key issues has risen from 7 percent before the convention to 22 percent afterward, and issues such as taxes and gay marriage, which did not make the polls before, now draw 4 percent each who feel they are the most important issue before the nation.

Asked which is more important in their votes, national security or the nation's economy, voters split 45-38 for security — a clear Bush win.

The electorate remains sharply divided in its loyalties based on voters' perception of the most important issue. Of those who see security as key, Bush wins by 68-28, while Kerry triumphs among those who focus most on the economy by 56-19.

Underscoring Kerry's popularity problems, voters rate Bush better on a host of adjectives. Who is the stronger leader? Bush, by 51-37. Who is more honest and trustworthy? Bush, 42-37. Who will make the United States a stronger country? Bush, 46-40. Who takes strong stands and sticks with them? Bush, 56-27.

Kerry only wins "Who understands the average American better?" — and by only 43-36.

Kerry never had time to make America like him. He won the nomination before anyone really got to know him and has coasted on anti-Bush campaigning ever since. Even now, he relies on the old National Guard records of Bush to animate his campaign, as if we are about to form our judgment of how Bush would be as a commander based on 30-year- old, possibly forged records rather than on our own observation of how he has done the job. But Kerry has got to close the most fundamental gap of his candidacy: Voters don't like him very much.

In my opinion Kerry and his cutthroat political hacks the ones behind the faked Bush records which Dan Rather, another ultra-leftist, used to slander the President, since Kerry can NOT run on his own voting record.

John Forbes Kerry will lose the presidental election of 2004 and be relegated to the pages of die hard American neo-socialists willing to sell out his own nation for power. The page heading Kerry's brief bio shall be found is under the heading Forgotten Backwater of Political Absurdity.


Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 8:43:09 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


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Forum on Egyptian Children's Rights
Forty children and adolescents from 14 Egyptian governorates, gathered at the UNICEF-supported Children's Forum in Cairo last week, to discuss children's rights in Egypt. The forum, organized by the Association for Health and Environmental Development (AHED) in cooperation with the NGO Coalition on Child Rights, was attended by Secretary General of the National Council for Childhood and Motherhood (NCCM), Ambassador Moushira Khattab, who commented on the presentations of the forum members concerning the plight of Egyptian children. Forum members came from varying social and economic backgrounds; they presented their views on the recently released first draft of the Third Periodic Report on the Rights of the Child in Egypt, highlighting what has been implemented, and what remains in process. The report will be revised, and a final version would be presented to the Committee on the Rights of the Child in Geneva, Switzerland.

Through an elaborate presentation given in the format of a newscast, the members talked about their goal to achieve gender and social equality amongst Egyptian children, and to help the disenfranchised. This was followed by a list of problems to tackle, in order to improve the plight of children in several key areas such as health, education, and family environment. Progress had been made in these areas, but more still needs to be done. One of the most important issues is the neglect of numerous aspects concerning children living in Egypt's governorates in comparison with densely-populated urban centers like Cairo and Alexandria. Another important issue is the inadequacy of the number of programs that deal specifically with disenfranchised children, whether homeless employed, or children with special needs. The members argued that these children are discriminated against. Discrimination is also rife against illegitimate children, or those of unknown parents. Another issue is that of the circumcision of girls, which still boasts a whopping 97% rate, despite the fact that the problem has been raised since 1995.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 09/15/2004 7:19:21 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Africa: Subsaharan
Namibia Looks to Estonia for E-Governance
High-tech Estonia's experiences in using information technology in public governance will soon reach Africa as the Baltic nation has been invited to help Namibia develop its e-governance system, officials said Tuesday. Ivar Tallo, director of the publicly funded E-Governance Academy in Tallinn, said he will present Estonia's case at a technology seminar to be held in the coastal city of Windhoek at the end of September. "The Namibian government has developed a strategy for e-governance and they are now looking to receive Estonian know-how in building the system," Tallo told AP.

In Estonia, virtual and nearly paperless Cabinet meetings have been a reality for several years. Ministers routinely follow Cabinet meetings through flat-panel screens, seen as a major time-saver. The Baltic nation of 1.4 million has also been highly successful in building electronic banking and mobile commerce applications. The usage rate of Internet in Estonia is one of the highest among the 10 new members of the European Union, which has earned the country the nickname "e-stonia." Tallo said the E-Governance Academy -- which has so far trained government officials in information technology from countries in Asia, the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe -- will receive financial aid for the Namibia project from the German training institution Inwent.

Though Estonia and Namibia are thousands of kilometers (miles) apart, Tallo said there are similarities in the demographics of the two countries -- both are relatively poor and have small populations. Namibia has less than 2 million inhabitants. "This will be our first venture in Africa," Tallo said. "The Estonian government has strongly encouraged us to expand operations beyond the country's borders so it's a logical step." The E-Governance Academy was created in 2002 through an initiative of the Estonian government, the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) and The Open Society Institute.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 4:21:55 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Dan Rather was complicit in defrauding the American public
Dan Rather was complicit in defrauding the American public in an attempt to defeat a sitting President. Rather must be fired now. Congress should subpoena CBS News' lawyers and all documentation of their advice.

I know we are not supposed to post blog links, but this was such a powerful and direct statement of the case, and of the legal repercussions, that I think it to be newsworthy enough to be a news article, not just a blog entry - but I did put it in the second page and in Culture Wars (internet vs MSM). If I am wrong, Fred and other mods, please delete this and all attached comments
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 1:44:55 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Spook - Here's your Validity -

Cong Cox's Letter

Hat tip Drudge
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Subpeonas shoudl be swift if they are to catch CBS before they destroy emails and other electronic evidence of their complicity in this fraud.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/15/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Rather: I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling blogs.......
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/15/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#4  One of the ignored experts EMailed the complicit producer with an alarm about the docs. Reply? I don't know... That expert has the EMails from her side.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Looks like CBS is going to the matresses and playing hard-ball before they give it up. There are rumours that they are digging in to the politics of the experts that have called the memos obvious forgeries. More and more I believe this could turn into some kind of shareholder revolt if the parent org doesn't step in an get it shaken out - Rather resigns, CBS News admits the hoax and reveals their source and some form of credibility is restored. This is bigger than whether you wear PJ's and have checks and balances on the internet. This is a turning point in the "business (ie. Ad bucks)" of pubhishing and mainstream media ops. Some one with some share value and capital appreciation formulation experience will have to win the day.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 09/15/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Where did the documents come from? The link to the DNC would be my best guess since they (the DNC) have been on this since February when McAuliffe stepped to the plate and set the tone and probably the modus-operandi for the election. The latest DNC ad is not co-incidental with the 60 Minutes II piece last week, which in my mind shows the complicity of CBS and the DNC. This has been planned since day one.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 09/15/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#7  I doubt that anyone within the Kerry camp is so stupid as to not grasp that ABC, CNN etc would not jump all over the chance to pound the sh*t out of CBS.

The forger must be someone really young (never used a typewriter) and clueless about both military protocol and the ways of the competitive MSM. Sounds like a MoveOn punk. Note how the lefty bloggers are desperately trying to claim that the docs are authentic.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Note how the lefty bloggers are desperately trying to claim that the docs are authentic.

Not all of them. Some are saying It Doesn't Matter and we should all just get over it and move on.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 09/15/2004 15:24 Comments || Top||

#9  LOVE the visual of The Dan in front of a Congressional Committee reciting after each question his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination. Oh please god make it so.
Posted by: Iblis || 09/15/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#10  The best fallback for the folks at the corporation. Just before the traditonal beginning of the program they run a black screen in white lettering reading "The following is an unpaid commercial program of the Democratic National Committee. The Columbia Broadcasting Network is not responsible for it's content nor is it's broadcast an endorsement of the product." At least then, the network can salvage something of credibility from the entire mess. Most infommercials carry such disclaimers.
Posted by: Don || 09/15/2004 17:34 Comments || Top||

#11  I concur with RC in #8.

The denizens of the DU are desperately hoping this goes away so that we can talk about "real issues". If I'm not mistaken Kerry's last "real issue" is health care... and part of the problem with the system is people like his own running mate viewing it like a piñata to be beaten 'til the money comes pouring out!
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||

#12  OldSpook....good legal points.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 21:11 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Zimbabwe continues to reverse Industrial Revolution
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/15/2004 03:29 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Soon they'll be able to get honorary membership in the Arab League.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#2  The "Tribal Chief" is looking for a pot to boil some missionaries. Most all the rest of the whites have left.
Posted by: BigEd || 09/15/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Wonder if Bob eats them, like Idi Amin was supposed to have done...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Mugabe needs to be placed on the removal list right after the Mullahs of Iran, Dr. ASSad of Syria, Kim Ill Dung of North Koreas, the Wahhabi cult ruling clan of Arabia and the Hizballah of Lebanon.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Wonder if Bob eats them, like Idi Amin was supposed to have done...

'Get into my belly!!'
Posted by: Fat Bastard || 09/15/2004 22:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
More CBS Experts Say They Did Not Authenticate Documents
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/15/2004 07:13 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Critics are calling the media scandal over the Jerry Killian forgeries "Rathergate." But to thousands of Vietnam veterans, the real Rathergate took place 16 years ago when Dan Rather successfully foisted a fraud onto the American people. Then, unlike now, there was no blogosphere to expose him.

Wow! No wonder he didn't back down. He is and always has been Jason Blair. Weird.

This isn't the first time he's been caught - it's just the first time he's been exposed.
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Dan Rather is a liberal cheerleader and an embarrassment.

Couple that with 60 Minutes having a Kerry fundraiser and member of his campaign staff come on and smear Bush (Ben the savings and loan scandal Barnes) and you get the idea that CBS is actually a 527 for Kerry.

This is really low and I hope someone actually has the guts to force this issue and get CBS tarred for violating their FCC licenses.
Posted by: SOG475 || 09/15/2004 9:54 Comments || Top||

#3  ...Word is that CBS is releasing some sort of statement at noon EST - this oughta be good...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 09/15/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#4  We did not have sex with that woman...

oh wait...

I'm guessing it will be something along the lines of the NYT headline:

Documents Fake, but Content is Real!

and then they will toss in a good measure of:

Don't you know who We are!!!
Posted by: 2B || 09/15/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey! They looked real to me, all right?!
God, I'll be drinking early again today...
Posted by: Dan Rather || 09/15/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Interesting point made by a lawyer on one of the blogs. If CBS admits the docs were forged, then CBS can't protect the confidentiality of its sources.

Who are they protecting? Robin Rather (Dan's daughter, a Democratic pol in Austin)? Barnes is dumb enough but not young enough to have done the forgery. No one who remembers the IBM Selectric would have come up with this; has to be someone under 40.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#7  37 minutes until CBS's announcement. Delayed from Noon EDT.
Posted by: eLarson || 09/15/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm curious to hear what they've got to say. It is nearly 3pm EST and nothing from CBS. One can only wonder what is going on, for it is easy to tell the truth but very hard to spin a set of consistent lies.
Posted by: Brutus || 09/15/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#9  Delay is a good indicator that at best the lawyers are really wordsmithing this release.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/15/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#10  Dan's probably putting up a struggle as they try to pull him towards the open 50th story window...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/15/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#11  It's weird. The best defense would be to out the forger. Unless the forger's very close to either Kerry or a CBS honcho.

But what sane adult who knows anything about the competitive MSM would have thought that CBS's rivals would not attack CBS on this?

If this came from Kerry's people then the nation is in worse shape then anyone could have guessed. We need a rational and decent opposition in this country. Bad for democracy when one party is so colossally incompetent.
Posted by: lex || 09/15/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||



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