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Binori Town students going home. Really.
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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Police probe mortuary sex
Less explicit than I would have hoped feared.
Cape Town - Western Cape police are investigating necrophilia and the illegal amputation of body parts at the Salt River mortuary, they said on Thursday. Superintendent Rian Pool said a pathologist took fluid and tissue samples from a body as a "precautionary measure" to determine whether or not the corpse had been sexually violated after death. The identity of the deceased would not be revealed at this stage, because the investigation was only a precautionary measure to determine "beyond all doubt" that no violation of the body occurred after death. "Should the outcome of the investigation indicate that post mortem violation took place it will be made public," said Pool.
Police were also investigating the illegal amputation of a foot from the body of an accident victim received at the mortuary on July 31.
According to an autopsy report conducted on August 1, the body still had both feet. "At approximately 15:45 a police officer discovered that the right foot of the body had been amputated. An investigation into the illegal amputation of the leg was immediately launched." Pool said both case were being investigated by the police and the investigations were being closely monitored by the ndependent complaints directorate.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/05/2005 08:08 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't even want to know what those perverts want with a dead foot. That sounds a little over-the-top
to me.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/05/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||

#2  bleah. At least these creepy, night of the living dead people can feel comfort in the fact that on the scale of hideous, Sevan and Annan, Switzerland, Belgium and bin Laden rank beneath them.
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 9:44 Comments || Top||

#3  the right foot of the body had been amputated

"Excellent, Igor. Now all we need is that brain.."
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 16:15 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
"Red December" Sandinistas and Ortega Accused of War Crimes
Via Da Perfesser, a reminder that the Sandinistas were as dirty as they came. Instructive today given Chavez and Venezuela.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/05/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And let's remember who was kissing Ortega's ass way back when - Senators Tom Harkin and... John 'Lucky Hat' Kerry.
Posted by: Raj || 08/05/2005 0:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Only part of it - the Sandinistas were gonna invite and let Cubans and the Soviets use these area as a staging ground for regional revolutionary efforts ags surrounding nations, besides also as a PC armed buffer ags the US-led Contras - read, USA-USSR confrontation. Another reason to love Ronny Reagan and his Boyz.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/05/2005 1:49 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russian mini-submarine trapped on sea floor
Posted by: Ebbomoque Thomose4862 || 08/05/2005 06:22 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  you couldn't put me on one of their ships much less a sub.
Posted by: Thraing Hupoluper1864 || 08/05/2005 8:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Fred,

Why does my name keep coming up as one of these random ones even though I change it when posting??
Posted by: DanNY || 08/05/2005 8:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Another morning, another Russian naval disaster. Jeez, I hope they can the poor guys out.

If the US Navy is sending a rescue sub (unmanned, the article says), I'm guessing that it has the right hatch/connectors to attach to the Russian mini-sub? Or might it attach a cable so a surface ship could pull it up?
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 08/05/2005 9:05 Comments || Top||

#4  2 subs and 1 ship in about a month and a half? My, oh my, are they having a string of bad luck or what? This, on top of the few accidents w/ the Chinese Navy lately gives me hope that we may very well see communism finally die on the vine.
Posted by: BA || 08/05/2005 9:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Reports are the minisub has it's prop fouled by a fishing net. The ROV has a cable cutter on one of it's arms that could be used to free it. Fox is reporting they only have 24 hours of air left.
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||

#6  communism is dead except in North Korea and Cuba. It's just authoritarianism and one party rule that survive and will probably never die. Look at France. Five republics later they still don't really have the democratic liberalism thing down.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/05/2005 9:59 Comments || Top||

#7  The idea of russia maintaining a sub fleet would be like me owning a Hatteras Yacht. Sure I would look like Mr. Cool Guy motoring along in it, but I couldn't afford to put fuel in it when it ran out or maintain it in any fit fashion. Why don't they stick to shit they can afford, like surface ships, small surface ships.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/05/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#8  Dan NY: make sure you have cookies enabled on your browser.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/05/2005 10:51 Comments || Top||

#9  In the ongoing War Between Submarines and Fishing Vessels, horsepower remains the key to victory.
Posted by: Zpaz || 08/05/2005 11:17 Comments || Top||

#10  LotR:
Probably not. While we published the specs and blueprints for our escape hatches and hinted it would be helpful to be compatible, the USSR and a few others refused to go along with the Capitalist Plot.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#11  I think they should call their new butt-buddies, the ChiComs for help. Puttyputz has made it clear he doesn't need or want cooperation with the US. So be it. This is a fitting metaphor for the opportunities squandered since Yeltsin stood atop the tank.
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#12  I see we're still the Designated Driver for the planet...
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/05/2005 11:51 Comments || Top||

#13  I see we're still the Designated Driver for the planet...

Gotdamnit! I was wanting to drink mass quantities this weekend too!
Posted by: mmurray821 || 08/05/2005 11:56 Comments || Top||

#14  What is the problem? A sub is supposed to go under the surface and this one certainly complies with specs
Posted by: JFM || 08/05/2005 12:10 Comments || Top||

#15  Update: Russians attempt deep-sea rescue

A rescue vessel has managed to attach a tow cable to the stricken diving vessel trapped on the sea bed in the Russian Far East, officials say.
Posted by: DanNY || 08/05/2005 14:19 Comments || Top||

#16  I told 'em yesterday that they need wheels on their subs...
Posted by: Spot || 08/05/2005 14:20 Comments || Top||

#17  I sure hope the crew is rescued, but shouldn't Russia have called the UN first?
Posted by: Matt || 08/05/2005 15:10 Comments || Top||

#18  One of the US counterparts is roumoured to have wheels SPOT, similar to Fultons Nautilus.
Posted by: Shipman || 08/05/2005 16:52 Comments || Top||

#19  I see we're still the Designated Driver for the planet...

Since we are talking subs, shouldn't that be Designated Diver?
Posted by: SteveS || 08/05/2005 16:57 Comments || Top||

#20  It's not a rumor. The NR-1 has wheels with plain old tires on them. (See the next to last paragraph in the link.) My old boss is a semi-legend in the submarine force for accidently driving the NR-1 off the continental shelf.
Posted by: Zpaz || 08/05/2005 20:30 Comments || Top||

#21  My understanding is the sub did not foul its prop on a fishing net but on some kind of antenna and anchor line. Was it perhaps servicing an underwater submarine communication system?
Given how close the location is to Kamchatka and some major Russian naval institutions I wonder if we might not have a 'quiet' boat very nearby. But alas, not likely equipped to rescue the Russians.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/05/2005 21:39 Comments || Top||

#22  Heh,

Prolly got caught up while investigating one of our cable taps...
Posted by: DanNY || 08/05/2005 22:59 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
The Newest Miracle Cure from Dr. Kimmie's Miracle Potions and Floor Cleaning Products
Step right up! Step right up!
Pyongyang, August 4 (KCNA) -- Chongsong Bullojong is a medicine manufactured by the Korea Pugang Pharmaceutic Company of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Won Hak Rim, 60, who lives in Pyongyang, had chronic gastritis cured after taking the medicine.
You, sir! What has it done for you!
He said: I had long suffered from gastritis. Several days after I started taking the medicine, I felt hungry and had a cycle of diarrhea and constipation stopped. That wonder was that I regained strength in my feeble legs. People tell me that I have become younger. Now I dare say that Chongsong Bullojong is efficacious for digestive diseases and those of the aged.
That's a little more then we needed to know but thanks for the testimonial! Efficacious, folks! Did you hear that! Efficacious! How can you go wrong!
It, strong in digestive ferment, is potent for preventing gastroenteritis, stomach ulcer, hepatitis, enteritis, colitis and other digestive diseases. It is good for detoxicating nicotinism, alcoholism and drug poisoning, preventing aging and various contagious diseases, treating arteriosclerosis, hypertension and heart disorders and recovering from weak constitution and malnutrition. It also promotes the growth of children.
And don't we all know how important that prevention of malnutrition is around here, right, folks?
Chongsong Bullojong is made with nutritive elements extracted from pollen and needles of pines growing in Mts. Kumgang and Myohyang.
That's right! Mts. Kumgang and Myohyang! Dear Leader and Great Leader probably did some famous Arduous March stuff up there, so you know this has gotta be good!
It contains 40 sorts of microelements and more than 90 kinds of natural elements including essential amino acid, vitamins C, B1, B2, E, PP and K, protein, lignin, chlorophyll, essential oil, oligosaccharide and polysaccharide.
How many do you need! Don't crowd me now! We got plenty for everybody!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/05/2005 10:26 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Food? Who needs it!
Posted by: Chris W. || 08/05/2005 11:04 Comments || Top||

#2  "Alternative" medicine takes many forms!

Posted by: BigEd || 08/05/2005 12:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Has Kimmie been watching Cat Ballou?

Ya know, I liked that movie, except for the bimbo who played Car....
Posted by: Bobby || 08/05/2005 21:57 Comments || Top||


Europe
Muslim-Themed 'Beurger King' Opens in France
Muslim-Themed 'Beurger King' Opens By SOPHIE NICHOLSON, Associated Press Writer
Fri Aug 5, 2:08 PM ET



Muslims in France are having it their way with "Beurger King" — a new fast-food restaurant that caters to the country's large Islamic population.

The bright and colorful eatery was launched in July in an eastern Paris suburb crowded with immigrants and dilapidated housing projects. Its name plays on the French word "Beur," meaning a second-generation North African living in France.

The menu at Beurger King Muslim, or BKM, is standard fast-food fare: burgers, fries, sundaes and doughnuts, and prices are comparable to those at major chains. But the beef and chicken burgers are halal — meaning made with meat slaughtered according to Islamic dietary laws.

Waitresses wear Islamic head scarves, as do many of their customers.

Mouna Talbi, 24, traveled 55 miles to Clichy-sous-Bois with her husband and two small sons to try it out.

"I was so happy to come here that I had tears in my eyes when I walked in," she said, watching her sons climb on colored blocks in the play area as she ate a halal burger.

After the success of Mecca Cola, a soft drink marketed to French Muslims, it was perhaps only a matter of time before a Muslim-themed, fast-food restaurant opened in the country with Europe's largest Islamic population.

Talbi's children always clamor for fast food, but this was the first time they've been able to order something other than fish, she said.

"A woman in Muslim dress feels at home here How 'bout a bomb belt?," she said, sitting in a red tunic and matching head scarf.

Three Muslim friends from the Paris suburbs set up the restaurant after seeing similar restaurants in Thailand and Algeria.

They saw a demand for a clean, family-oriented halal fast-food restaurant that would offer an alternative to the big non-halal chains and the many downscale halal street vendors.

One of the founders, Morad Benhamida, 33, said he and his partners worked for almost two years on a business plan to convince French backers.

"I was shocked when my bank manager believed in the project straight away," he said, sitting under an umbrella on the restaurant's terrace.

He said the business plan showed the halal meat came from reputable wholesalers and was inspected twice daily. But he had not anticipated how successful the idea would be.

"I was very surprised because people really liked the restaurant, so much so that we have tripled stocks since opening a month ago," he said. "It seems like magic."

He is planning to hire eight new employees in fall, expanding his staff of 28. Put down that nail bomb and get to work!

In an area with high unemployment, people are grateful to find work. Some female employees said they took the job because they were allowed to wear head scarves, unlike workers in other French fast-food restaurants.

Female customers also seemed happy. Cherifa Halimi, 19, sat in a booth sipping drinks with four friends, all dressed in black flowing gowns covering all but their hands and faces.

"There are a few changes they could make to give the place a completely Muslim image," Halimi said. "The television is OK, but there shouldn't be any music.

"But I'd like to work here."

Muslim diners said they felt more misunderstood in France since last month's terror attacks in London.

"Even the media demonizes the image of Islam in this country," Ahmed Talbi said, sitting in a booth opposite his wife. "People are afraid of terrorist attacks here, too."

Customers, including non-Muslims, said the restaurant was not segregating Muslims but showing a normal, peaceful Muslim activity that was open to all.

"Both Muslims and other people feel at ease here," Talbi said. "Maybe this kind of place will help to correct the bad image of Muslims and tell the world to stop talking nonsense about us."

Posted by: intrinsicpilot || 08/05/2005 18:24 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is actually a good thing -- a first step toward mainstreaming the Beur population. Also, the more people off the dole, the fewer will have time for polotting and seething.

My only comment: in future, intrinsicpilot, please highlight your in-line comments. I had to read that bit about the bomb belt twice before it sank in. Thanks!

Posted by: trailing wife || 08/05/2005 19:01 Comments || Top||

#2  "We want it our way, infidel"
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 19:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Coming soon: separate entrances for men and women, and a wall down the middle to prevent, ya know, mixing.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/05/2005 19:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Coming soon:

Infi-delis


Posted by: PlanetDan || 08/05/2005 20:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Burger King and KFC are already halal in moslem parts of Asia. And don't start me on the abomination of Turkey Bacon.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/05/2005 23:40 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Border smugglers activists indicted
Follow-up to article posted, oh, a few weeks ago.

A federal grand jury Wednesday indicted two smugglers border activists who were arrested last month with three illegal entrants in their vehicle. Wow. The MSM actually used the "I" word.

Daniel Strauss and Shanti Sellz and the three men were stopped by U.S. Border Patrol agents 25 miles from the border on July 9.

Strauss and Sellz, volunteers with the No More laws Deaths group, were arrested under a federal statute making it a crime to transport illegal entrants.

The pair told the agents they were taking the men to Tucson's Southside Presbyterian Church because they were vomiting and suffering from bloody diarrhea.If you were really sick, wouldn't you prefer to go to, oh I don't know, perhaps a hospital emergency room? Border Patrol officials have said the men were not ill and refused medical aid once in custody.

According to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office, Strauss and Sellz were indicted on one count each of conspiracy to transport an illegal alien and transporting an illegal alien.

Strauss, who is from New York, and Sellz, who is from Colorado and New Mexico, will be arraigned Aug. 11.

The conspiracy charge carries a 10-year maximum sentence and the transporting charge carries a five-year maximum sentence.

Defense attorney Jeffrey Rogers said, "The material witness will testify that he believes my clients saved his life." And if they had helped a couple of bank robbers with bullet wounds, that would be saving their lives, too. It stills falls under aiding and abetting.

Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 11:32 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good. A big fine and jail time should help clear their minds.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/05/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh joy! The fanatics *turned down* a plea agreement for NO JAIL TIME! Hahahahaha! I hope they both get FIVE YEARS! In a federal pen! Hahahaha!
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/05/2005 17:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Wow. The MSM actually used the "I" word.

Indicted?
Posted by: Raj || 08/05/2005 18:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope they can get transferred up to Maricopa county, where they can live in tents (when it's 113 in the shade), wear pink underwear, and eat bologna sandwiches.

I'm still surprised that the Red Star would actually call them "illegal entrants," though.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 23:03 Comments || Top||


Great White North
'Sheik' quip lands banker in sensitivity training
Jeff Rubin, the famously voluble chief economist of CIBC World Markets, has been sent to sensitivity training after angering Canada's most prominent Islamic lobby group with language he used in a report on the oil market.
Does that mean the islamic hate preachers in Canada have to go, too?

In April, he predicted that oil prices would double by 2010. Demand will outstrip supply because "this time around there won't be any tap that some appeased mullah or sheik can suddenly turn back on," he wrote.
Amazing. Simply amazing.

While Mr. Rubin used the terms to describe the OPEC-induced price shocks of years past, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) found the language offensive. In fact, CAIR-CAN wrote the bank saying it was "gravely concerned that Mr. Rubin is promoting stereotyping of Muslims and Arabs."
Message to CAIR-CAN...I am more concerned that you clowns cannot condem terrorism, murder, massive rape in Sudan and Chad. Piss on you and your little dog, too.

Two weeks after the complaint, CIBC World Markets chief executive Brian Shaw responded.

Mr. Shaw said in a letter to CAIR-CAN that the remarks "were not meant to offend anyone" but "in hindsight, the comments were insensitive."
OK. Is this this insensitve? "SCREW YOU, CAIR. Condem murder, rape, and destruction by your islamo-brothers in the middle east and africa and I will listen.

Mr. Shaw went on to say that "we will be providing him [Mr. Rubin] with training to ensure that this situation does not occur again in the future . . . in addition, Jeff has withdrawn the research report from the World Markets website [and] redrafted the paragraph in question."
You are not allowed to tell the truth anymore.

CAIR-CAN has posted the text of the exchange with Mr. Shaw on its website and urged its supporters to thank CIBC for excising the mentions of mullahs and sheiks. Mr. Rubin's revised forecast now concludes that "this time around, with suppliers already running full tilt, there's no tap that can suddenly be turned back on."
with the cause removed.

The controversy went unreported in mainstream newspapers, though one right-wing website that saw CAIR-CAN's statement on the controversy accused the group of going "way, way overboard in the name of political correctness."
Ya think?

But safeguarding the image of Canada's 600,000 Muslims is very serious business for CAIR-CAN, which has lately been gaining clout and publicity. Last week, it arranged a meeting between Prime Minister Paul Martin and several spiritual leaders, who have signed a statement condemning the terrorist attacks in Britain.
Unless muslims who claim to be peaceful start speaking up...and ACTING against the islamo-fascists...my sympathy meter for insensitive remarks will remain near zero.

Likely the best organized and most outspoken of the dozens of Muslim groups that exist in Canada, CAIR-CAN has lately been denouncing several groups and individuals for what it terms careless comments and actions.
Message to CAIR-CAN..."Is the rape and murder of 100s of thousands in Chad/Sudan/Somolia in the name of allan, suicide bombings, etc. considered a "careles action"...you bunch pompous a**holes?"

For example, it has released a report called Presumption of Guilt, a criticism of the way Canadian security agencies are questioning Muslims.
tap, tap, tap...sympathy meter still reading zero.

It has also recently criticized the Israeli consul-general for what CAIR-CAN characterized as "Islamophobic" remarks, and taken Quebec politicians to task for making what it calls "xenophobic" remarks about sharia law tribunals.
You mean like.."sharia law is for sh**heads?"...is that "Islamophobic" enough?

Mr. Rubin could not be reached for comment. CAIR-CAN would not elaborate other than to point to the information on its website about the case.

It is understood that Mr. Rubin has completed some sort of in-house sensitivity training since he wrote his report, though CIBC World Markets officials would not divulge details.

Some of his contemporaries find the whole situation strange. "Is that true?" asked a surprised David Rosenberg, chief North American economist for Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. in New York.

He said that Mr. Rubin has "got a flair and unique writing style. I know him and he's a good guy.

"I have a tough time believing Jeff Rubin would be purposefully offensive to a certain group."

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries is an 11-member organization comprising some of the world's largest oil exporters. It includes mostly Muslim nations.

Oil closed at $62 (U.S.) yesterday, a record high despite reassurances from the new Saudi King, Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, that he would keep the oil flowing the way his deceased predecessor did. King Abdullah's officials say they would like to get oil down to $50 a barrel.
Posted by: anymouse || 08/05/2005 10:25 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The folks at CAIR must laugh their asses off at their meetings when they force another one of these down our PC throats. They probably think it's only a matter of time...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/05/2005 11:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Another reason why Canukistan is so messed up.

Hey you Socialist moose-kissing wierdos...

Send ME to sensitivity training.

Sheik-sheik-sheik-sheik nyaah-nyaah-nyaah-nyaah

The guy spoke the truth, and the People's Republik of Canukistan sent him to Political Prison.

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Posted by: BigEd || 08/05/2005 12:41 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Activists Want UN to Declare Circumcision a Human Rights Crime
(CNSNews.com) - New research linking male circumcision with significantly reduced HIV/AIDS infections has sparked a backlash from anti-circumcision groups, with some calling on the United Nations to label the procedure a crime against human rights. An international AIDS conference in Brazil last week was told that researchers tracking 3,000 young African men in a randomized controlled trial found the number of HIV infections among those who had been circumcised to be three times lower than among those who had not. The dramatic result prompted some medical experts to call for routine circumcision of young males to be promoted in the drive against the deadly disease, although U.N. agencies, while calling the research "promising," cautioned that such a step would be premature.
Anti-circumcision groups are alarmed that the research may encourage a greater acceptance of a procedure -- surgical removal of the foreskin -- which they consider to be mutilation. Several have joined together in calling for the U.N. "to classify circumcision of male children as a human rights crime."

Millions of parents in America and other western countries routinely circumcise their baby boys for reasons including hygiene, health benefits or family tradition. Carried out on the eighth day after birth, the procedure is a central tenet of the Jewish faith, while it is also a rite of passage in Islam -- sometimes at birth, sometimes at a later age. Some African groups, Australian aboriginals and Pacific islanders also practice circumcision.

Marilyn Milos, director of the California-based National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers (NOCIRC), noted that the U.N. convention on the rights of the child says member states "shall take all effective and appropriate measures with a view to abolishing traditional practices prejudicial to the health of children. "This terminology is fully applicable to male circumcision," she said.

Another campaigner, Dr. George Denniston of Doctors Opposing Circumcision in Seattle, said circumcision "removes erogenous tissue and leaves the genitals with significantly diminished sexual capacity.
"The best way to prevent HIV transmission is by using condoms, not by cutting off part of the genitals," he argued. San Diego-based activist Matthew Hess focused on the age of boys undergoing circumcision.
"Circumcision of children is genital mutilation ... and the U.N. needs to take action now to ensure that male circumcision is performed only on fully informed consenting adults," he said. Hess represents a group called MGMbill.org, named for a piece of legislation that it hopes lawmakers will take up at a state and federal level. The group is currently looking for a legislative sponsor in Congress for the Male Genital Mutilation Bill, which seeks to make it an offense to circumcise, or help or facilitate circumcision, of a child or a "nonconsenting" adult, punishable by a maximum 14-year prison term. It would also prohibit Americans from arranging circumcisions abroad.

'Benefits outweigh risks'

Prof. Fred Ehrlich of the School of Public Health and Community Medicine at the University of New South Wales in Australia said Friday he has safely circumcised about 3,000 boys -- both as a surgeon and as a mohel, or traditional Jewish circumciser. It is essential that circumcision be carried out by someone who is competent and trained, he said. "I've never had a complication." The best age is undoubtedly the biblically mandated eighth day after birth, Ehrlich said. "If you do it on the very newborn, they have a higher tendency to bleed. By the eighth day, the bleeding is less. If you wait say until the baby is a year old, two years old, they can remember it -- it hurts -- whereas in a newborn, they don't even notice it."
He compared the anti-circumcision lobby to groups opposing the immunization of children. "There are plenty of mad people in the world."
"There is not a shadow of a doubt that circumcision is beneficial," Ehrlich said. Apart from AIDS, "there are many other good reasons why it should be carried out." These included reducing urinary infections -- "not common in little boys, but when it does occur, it is a serious problem" -- and cervical cancer in circumcised men's partners. "In India, the Muslim women have much less cancer of the cervix than the Hindu women because the Muslim men are circumcised."

Ehrlich distinguished between what he called "the lunatic fringe" among anti-circumcision groups and "a genuine medical anti-circumcision position," tied to the risk that some infants may bleed or become infected. Immunization also carried risks, he argued, but in both cases, "the benefits outweigh the downside." Ehrlich said there was no likelihood that the drive to have the U.N. act against circumcision would succeed, "if for no other reason than because there are so many Muslims in the world."

Prof. Brian J. Morris, professor of molecular medical sciences at the University of Sydney and a firm advocate of male circumcision, also dismissed the latest campaign. "Whenever there is yet further evidence in support of circumcision, the anti-circumcision lobby goes into panic mode," he said Friday. "Their propaganda machine gets propelled into action with this kind of misinformation in an attempt to shore up their untenable cultist position."
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 09:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Moyle jokes in:
5...4...3...2...1...
Posted by: Mark E. || 08/05/2005 9:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Dr. George Denniston of Doctors Opposing Circumcision in Seattle, said circumcision "removes erogenous tissue and leaves the genitals with significantly diminished sexual capacity.

I beg to differ Doc.
Shwinggggg!
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/05/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#3  kan we cirkemsise dokter denistons hed? goddamer idjit! evrywun knoew cirkumsides helper fore kep teh han from slideeng off.

>:(
Posted by: muck4doo || 08/05/2005 11:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Do these people react as violently when the subject of Female Circumcision is brought up?
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 08/05/2005 11:53 Comments || Top||

#5  I know I'm new here and all, but can't we work on a "definition" of terrorism first?
Posted by: John Bolton || 08/05/2005 11:53 Comments || Top||

#6  No, I didn't know that, Mucki. And I'm going to try to forget that particular piece of information as fast as I can. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/05/2005 11:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Activists Want UN to Declare Circumcision a Human Rights Crime

Now what are they going to tell those 1.3 billion Muslims?
Maybe the Muslims will declare a 'fatwa' against the activists?
Posted by: Hupaiter Glinenter1110 || 08/05/2005 12:26 Comments || Top||

#8  ...circumcision "removes erogenous tissue and leaves the genitals with significantly diminished sexual capacity.

Hey - thanks for the tip!
Posted by: Raj || 08/05/2005 16:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Okay! Which one of you guys wants to pay for a new keyboard for my laptop!!!?

Gimme' a warning of some kind or else!

Thanks,
LC FOTSGreg (cleaning beer off his laptop)

Posted by: LC FOTSGreg || 08/05/2005 21:20 Comments || Top||


Air France Crash Probe Starts Amid Landing Dispute
TORONTO (AFP) - An Air France jet that crashed at a Toronto airport was working normally as it arrived, Canadian investigators said, but a dispute erupted over who approved the landing during a storm.

Canadian authorities and Air France sought to deflect responsibility on who approved the landing while Toronto Pearson International Airport was on "red alert" because of a lightning storm.

The Airbus A340 jet hurtled off the runway and ended up in a gully in flames. But all of the 297 passengers and 12 crew survived in what Canada's Transport Minister Jean Lapierre said was a "miracle". Crash investigators have found the so-called black box flight recorders and are studying the information. They said the jet appeared headed for a safe landing before it skidded off the end of the runway.

"The initial landing appeared very normal," said Real Levasseur, lead investigator for the Canadian transportation safety agency.
"There was no emergency declared from the part of the air crew and there didn't seem to be anything wrong with the aircraft condition and its safety as it was approaching to land." ...

[A] strong tail wind may have given the plane a push as it sped along the runway. Media reports have highlighted other theories. Passengers and witnesses have said the jet was hit by lightning as it descended. Experts have also said it could have aquaplaned because of the torrential rain in the area. Pearson airport had earlier stopped landings and departures because of the storm, which investigators have already said probably played a key role in the accident. Investigators have questioned the co-pilot who was at the controls, but they gave no details.

The decision to land has already become a controversy. Air France chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta indicated that it was the control tower that decided the Airbus could come down in a storm, while Canadian transport minister Lapierre said it had been the pilot's decision to land.

The captain of the jet injured his back in the accident and investigators will not interview him until doctors give approval, Levasseur said. A flight attendant and 12 passengers were still in hospital, according to officials...
Posted by: Pappy || 08/05/2005 00:29 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm a little confused here. I thought the final decision was always the pilot's. The tower has to clear him to land, but he can always abort on his own authority, and it's therefore his responsibility.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 1:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, I can attest to the torrential rainfall at the exact time of landing (given as 4:03pm). The pilot in command has the final say, but he is guided by the information that ATC provides. If there were planes landing ahead of him on the same runway (as claimed by another witness close by) then he would have no reason not to attempt a landing. ATC should have closed the airport, or cancelled his clearance. But they didn't.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/05/2005 1:27 Comments || Top||

#3  This sounds like what happened to Delta Flight 191 at DFW Airport in 1985. The Fort Worth Star Telegram story on this accident, toward the end, notes the similarities. Here's the meat:

"Tuesday's crash in Toronto came 20 years to the day after the crash of Delta Flight 191 at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport, which killed 137 people. That disaster focused renewed attention on wind shear, a natural phenomenon that can make airplanes drop out of the sky, said Larry Cornman of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.

Wind shear is a sudden change in wind speed or direction.

The most dangerous kind, called a microburst, is caused by air descending from a thunderstorm.

While the cause of the Toronto crash has not been determined, the fact that it happened during a thunderstorm raises the possibility of wind shear.

Since the D/FW crash, Cornman said Tuesday, systems to detect wind shear have been installed at almost all major airports in the United States.

He said the Canadian government investigated installing such systems during the 1990s, but he added that he did not know how many have been installed."


From what's been revealed so far, this seems the likely reason. Here's an excellent PDF (Dallas Morning News) explaining microbursts and how they can affect aircraft.

Fight 191 made everyone who was living in the DFW area a walking-talking fount of info on windshear and microbursts. Lessons learned - the hard way.
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 1:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Pilot's fault: unexpectedly getting hit by lightning would be a pretty good defense in my mind. While our culture of blame has long since rejected the notion - the fact is that some things are just an accident and finding fault is just a spectator sport.
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 7:34 Comments || Top||

#5  not to imply that that's what anyone else was doing here when discussing how it happened. But you watch, the media will wet all over itself trying to assign "blame".
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 7:36 Comments || Top||

#6  TORONTO (CP) - The Air France jet that skidded into a wooded ravine and erupted in flames at a Toronto airport landed further down the runway from where a similar passenger jet would normally touch down, the lead investigator into the crash said Friday. Air France flight 358 landed "longer than normally, or longer than usual for this type of aircraft," Transportation Safety Board investigator Real Levasseur told a news conference.
Data and witnesses have already suggested the plane carrying 309 passengers and crew was nearly halfway down the runway at Pearson International Airport before it touched down. Everyone on board escaped with their lives; 43 people suffered minor injuries. Despite emergency braking, the plane hurtled off the end of the runway at nearly 150 kilometres per hour before toppling into a ravine just metres from Etobicoke Creek and erupting into flames. Levasseur added that all four of the plane's thrust reversers were operating correctly when it landed.


I guess we know what the cockpit voice recorder will reveal:
"Reverse thrust, full brakes....please stop....stop dammit.....ah, crap!"
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 11:29 Comments || Top||

#7  .com:
I thought most airports had installed wind-shear detectors? Of course, if it happens on runway 6 while the detector is on runway 15, oh well.

I did not mean that it was the pilot's fault, just that the final decision was his, and just because the airport says "we're open," doesn't mean he can abdicate his responsibilty to determine safety for himself.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Jackal, in the US I believe detectors are now on all commercial-use runways at all Tier 1 airports and at almost all Tier 2 airports. As the article I cited states, Canada's situation is unknown - which I think means the reporters were charitably allowing him to pretend ignorance and the fact was they didn't follow suit across the board.

As for comment #6, this could also be caused by a microburst in front of them causing them to flare and stay aloft longer than intended - then come down pretty hard as they passed through it and it became a tailwind cutting lift dramatically - which is what doomed Flt 191 - in that case they passed through the microburst about .1 mile before reaching the runway and crashed short. You may recall the landing gear crushed cars on the highway (Hwy 114) running along the edge of the airport property.
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 11:41 Comments || Top||

#9  The wind shear situation and the microburst situation are a bit different.

I think (this is based on memory - I might be getting this wrong) that in the former (much more common) you point the cockpit down an extra few degrees (because shear decreases in nearer the ground), in the latter you do the reverse if you are in the downdraft portion of the microburst. I'm not sure if Canada has detectors or if they can distinguish the two situations.
Posted by: mhw || 08/05/2005 12:33 Comments || Top||

#10  heck..don't mind me. This thread is what is best about blogs. And it may well end up being a bad decision by the pilot or someone else. I just hate the way the media loves to assign blame even when it it was just an accident - but that was a personal rant unassociated with your comment - carry on :-)
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 13:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Just FYI from the microburst link I gave in #3:

Microburst: A brief but powerful column
of downward-moving air associated with
thunderstorms. With a duration of only a
few minutes, a diameter of less than 2.5
miles and strong winds, microbursts can
cause a plane to lose altitude rapidly. This
is especially dangerous during takeoffs
and landings.

Wind shear: A sudden change of wind
speed and direction between two
points. A major contributor of wind
shear is a microburst.
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 14:38 Comments || Top||

#12  For all your meteorological needs, click here. (then Basics of Meteorology, and Aviation Weather Hazards)

BTW, this sounds eerily similar to what happened in Warsaw (mid 1990s?) to an Airbus A320. Same circumstances: rain storm, plane landing further down the runway, not enough room to stop, everyone survives except the pilot. It may be Airbus hasn't really fixed that landing gear-thrust reverser problem.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/05/2005 16:06 Comments || Top||

#13  Oops, bad link. Go to www.navcanada.ca then choose Local Area Weather Manuals on the left.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/05/2005 16:09 Comments || Top||

#14  More info on the Lufthansa A320 crash in Warsaw:

3...Ground spoilers, when selected, will extend provided that either shock absorbers are
compressed at both main landing gears....Engine reversers, when selected, will deploy provided that shock absorbers are compressed at both main landing gears....
4 In emergency, the crew is unable to override the lock-out and to operate ground spoilers and engine thrust reversers.


SOURCE ...near the bottom.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/05/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||

#15  I've been told by pros.... MET and Pilots, microbursts are like porn, impossible to deliniate, but you'll know it when you see/in it.
Posted by: Shipman || 08/05/2005 17:26 Comments || Top||

#16  AFP is reporting the plane landed too far down the runway to stop.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/05/2005 19:03 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Cranberry Juice Against Viruses?
Cranberry juice has long been a prime natural-food weapon against urinary tract infections in women, and studies show that the good juice deters infection by preventing disease-causing bacteria from entering body cells. One study found that when cranberry juice was present, 80 percent fewer bacteria stuck to cells. Adhering to a host cell is the first step in a successful infection.
Could cranberry juice also protect cells from viruses?
Apparently so, according to research just reported by Patrice Cohen and Steven Lipson of St. Francis College (Brooklyn, N.Y.). When the researchers bathed animal cells in the red juice (we'll call it juice, but it's actually cranberry juice cocktail, straight from the supermarket!), virtually none of the cells got infected by reoviruses or rotaviruses, two common causes of diarrhea. (The researchers used red blood cells and kidney cells, which are common tests for viral infectivity.) Undiluted juice reduced infectivity by more than 99.9999 percent. When cells were bathed in diluted juice, the protection waned. Juice diluted by 512 parts of water offered no protection.
Agents that prevent pathogenic adhesion, if one can obtain the effect orally, could be of major value for certain diseases. I am especially thinking of the ever-nearer avian flu, where any trick in the book is a good one.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/05/2005 21:04 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When the researchers bathed animal cells in the red juice (we'll call it juice, but it's actually cranberry juice cocktail, straight from the supermarket!), virtually none of the cells got infected by reoviruses or rotaviruses, two common causes of diarrhea.

And how much would you have to drink to get this effect?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/05/2005 22:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Prolly a gallon an hour for the duration...

Gotta keep saturated!
Posted by: DanNY || 08/05/2005 22:54 Comments || Top||

#3  When the researchers bathed animal cells in the red juice . . . virtually none of the cells got infected by reoviruses or rotaviruses, two common causes of diarrhea.

EXCELLENT! NOW WE CAN REST ASSURED THAT REOVIRUSES AND ROTAVIRUSES WON'T GET THE RUNS!!!
Posted by: PlanetDan || 08/05/2005 23:33 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
A snarky review of Al Gore's Network
From SLATE who are usually being Snarky vs. Bush

Invasion of the Pod People
Current TV is youth culture as imagined by Al Gore.
By Dana Stevens
Posted Wednesday, Aug. 3, 2005, at 1:39 PM

a sample below

...
As each pod plays, the lower left-hand corner of the screen displays a progress bar that fills up as the clip approaches its end. I guess the point is to keep viewers watching till the end of the pod, figuring, what the hell? I can afford to waste two-and-a-half more minutes on this. Then again, progress bars on a computer screen tend to be associated with some unpleasant or tedious task—waiting for a download to end, for example, so you can get to the good stuff of actually listening to the song or using the software. It's hard to get lost in the content of a given story when you're constantly glancing down to see how much longer it has to go...
Posted by: mhw || 08/05/2005 13:10 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  oooh, ouch.

and I thought this was sort of al in a nutshell...specializing in long-form documentaries gradually ceded its place to a more market-driven, youth-oriented undertaking, spearheaded by former executives from CNN, Teen People, and Rupert Murdoch's Sky Network.
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 13:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Oooooooooooooooooh...shiny!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/05/2005 13:50 Comments || Top||

#3  I liked ITV and German TV on the old ITN network. Now Gore fired everybody, changed the name and put on absolute garbage.

What I don't get is why he needed to buy an existing successful network if he was just going to gut it?

What did he get for 1 billion? An Uplink?

Posted by: 3dc || 08/05/2005 14:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Claims he got 10 million viewers, yeah whatever. This is doomed to failure, just like his campaign was.

EP
Posted by: ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding || 08/05/2005 17:47 Comments || Top||

#5  I read another review that suggested Howlin' Al's new TV show was permantly stuck in the 90's. I haven't seen it myself but I'll take his word for it.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/05/2005 17:52 Comments || Top||

#6  More meat and sanity in the 90s.
This is failed MTV BS.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/05/2005 18:52 Comments || Top||


Air Anti-America Rips Off the Boys Club - Updated Info
Investigators for the city of New York are scrutinizing loans and transfers totaling more than $800,000 that went from the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club charity in the city to the liberal Air America Radio network and one of its founders. The company that now owns Air America blames the Boys & Girls Club charity for alleged "mismanagement and corruption," but has still agreed to reimburse the organization.
Most here would agree that investing in Air America should be considered "mismanagement and corruption".
Evan Cohen was supposed to be raising $30 million to finance the Air America start-up in March 2004, at the same time he was serving as the director of development for the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club (GWBGC) in the Bronx, N.Y. While Cohen held the simultaneous positions, he allegedly solicited and received $167,000 in loans from GWBGC for Air America and $70,000 in personal loans for claimed medical expenses. GWBGC officials also accuse Cohen of issuing Air America a $213,000 GWBGC check and a $400,000 wire transfer without their approval. Cohen could not be located for comment on the allegations.
No conflict of interest here. Move along.
In an undated statement posted on its website, Air America blames the fundraising scandal on "mismanagement and corruption at Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club," and absolves itself of any responsibility for the alleged improprieties. "The company that the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club officials gave money to, Progress Media, has been defunct since May 2004," the Air America statement explained. "The current owners of Air America Radio have no obligation to Progress Media's business activities."
Somehow, this means that Cohen never had anything to do with raising funds for Air America while he served as the Boys' Club director. See? It's clear as day. Thanks for clearing that up, AA.
The original investors in Air America, except for Cohen, created a new corporation, Piquant, LLC. That company then acquired the network from the original owner. Air America's statement continues to explain that, for fear of its reputation being harmed, the network will repay the money. "We are very disturbed that Air America Radio's good name could be associated with a reduction in services for young people," the statement adds, "which is why we agreed months ago to fully compensate the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club as a result of this transaction."
Cash only.
Martta Rose, spokeswoman for the GWBGC, told Cybercast News Service that the radio network has always agreed that it would reimburse the charity, but that the terms had only recently been "hammered out." "The money will be paid back within two years," Rose said. "The first payment will be in September."
Out of the goodness of our hearts, we will pay you back on our terms and whenever we feel like it.
Rose acknowledged that it is "not usual" for non-profit charities to loan money to for-profit business entities.
Especially when it was in the form of government grant money to begin with.
On June 24, the New York City Department of Investigation (DOI) announced that it was terminating all contracts with GWBGC and its subsidiaries. "[These] determinations were based on an on-going investigation by the New York City Department of Investigation concerning allegations that, among other things, officials of Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club approved significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various City agencies," the announcement stated.
Read: Cohen is a crook. Did I mention that he was employed as a key fundraiser for Air Anti-America?
Rose said that some of GWBGC's programs are continuing with alternative sources of funding. "We hope to continue those as well as become fully operational in the near future," Rose said. She could not speculate as to how long the city's investigation might last. "We are cooperating fully with the city," Rose added, "with the DOI and other city agencies." A spokesman for the DOI would not comment on or answer questions about any aspect of the ongoing investigation.
According to its website, the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club "has been helping youth from tough Bronx neighborhoods stay out of trouble, stay in school and succeed in life," since 1977. The charity states that it serves "nearly 15,000 young people each year at 32 locations (elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, public housing facilities and community centers) in the Bronx."
And how exactly does "investing" in a wacko lib radio project constitute "helping youth"?
Financial records filed with the Internal Revenue Service for the 2003 tax year show that GWBGC received nearly $530,000 in private contributions and more than $ 3.7 million in taxpayer funding. The organization also received $461,000 in "donated services and use of facilities."
Your tax dollars at work. Why is it that NY City is doing all the investigating? Where are the feds on this?
Posted by: Chris W. || 08/05/2005 10:34 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How's about all involved in the corruption should be forced to listen to the Air America? (dun't tell Amnest Int.) Anyway, it might even bump AA listeners from like 4 to like 8. .. just a thought..
Posted by: MACOFROMOC || 08/05/2005 12:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Al Franken is waiting for AA to shut down so he can run for Senate.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/05/2005 13:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I would love to see Franken run for Senate. He would not win and he would bellow about fraud, its a win/win. These blowhards make way to much of themselves and they need a good election to prove just how insignificant they really are.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/05/2005 14:21 Comments || Top||

#4  There's some good reporting on this around the Blogosphere. Start with radioequalizer.blogspot.com. Michelle's got quite a bit on it, too.

The essence is "Air America" (be it as owned by Piquant LLC, or by previous owners Progressive Media) agreed "months ago" to pay back the "loan". Statements coming from AAR say that they have been waiting for some direction from New York's DOI. DOI sez "We didn't tell you anything about waiting to repay."

What I want to know is: Where is Evan Cohen?
Posted by: eLarson || 08/05/2005 15:17 Comments || Top||

#5  be it as owned by Piquant LLC, or by previous owners Progressive Media

Who appear, by and large, to be the same group of people.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 08/05/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Pretty much, RC. Evan Cohen is notable by his absence.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/05/2005 17:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Wait a minute! That money was for retards and Alzheimer's patients....

Oh! It did get there. Never mind.
Posted by: Almost Anonymous2520 || 08/05/2005 21:37 Comments || Top||


CNN Suspends Novak for Walking Off Set
NEW YORK — CNN suspended commentator Robert Novak indefinitely after he swore and walked off the set Thursday during a debate with Democratic operative James Carville. The exchange during CNN's "Inside Edition" came during a discussion of Florida's Senate campaign. But CNN correspondent Ed Henry noted when it was through that he had been about to ask Novak about his role in the investigation of the leak of a CIA officer's identity. A CNN spokeswoman, Edie Emery, called Novak's behavior "inexcusable and unacceptable." Novak has apologized to CNN, and CNN apologizes to viewers, she said. "We've asked Mr. Novak to take some time off," she said. A telephone message at Novak's office was not immediately returned Thursday.

Carville and Novak were both trying to speak while they were handicapping the GOP candidacy of Katherine Harris. Novak said the opposition of the Republican establishment in Florida might not be fatal for her. "Let me just finish, James, please," Novak continued. "I know you hate to hear me, but you have to." Carville, addressing the camera, said: "He's got to show these right wingers that he's got a backbone, you know. It's why the Wall Street Journal editorial page is watching you. Show 'em that you're tough." "Well, I think that's bull—— and I hate that," Novak replied. "Just let it go." As moderator Dan Harris stepped in to ask Carville a question, Novak walked off the set.
I think Novak should have tasered Carville, but that's just me
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 09:14 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes....firing the sole conservative on their network will surely save their ratings...
Posted by: Mark E. || 08/05/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Mark! LOL!
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 9:45 Comments || Top||

#3  "take some time off"

I got a funny feeling that this is it for Novak. He is not going to lower his standards by coming back.

"called Novak's behavior "inexcusable and unacceptable."

What a bunch of hypocrites! What about the fact that Mr. Amanpour, Chance, and Robertson being in bed with the terrs for so many years, in order to get the so called "exclusive." According to CNN, supporting terrs is acceptable behavior.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/05/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#4  They're all fools. I'd much rather read .com and AK going at it, if that's what I'm in the mood for.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/05/2005 10:16 Comments || Top||

#5  lol!
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 10:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Game, set, match, Mrs. D, lol! Like I said the other day, I stand in awe of .com's ability to verbally b!tch slap all trolls at whim!
Posted by: BA || 08/05/2005 10:44 Comments || Top||

#7  Carville is such an asshole. I wouldn't be able to sit in a room with that guy for two seconds.
Posted by: Chris W. || 08/05/2005 11:03 Comments || Top||

#8  The Coliseum, Rome, 100 AD: The gates open and out walks a single poster, wifi laptop in hand. The crowd rises to its feet:

".com! .com! .com!"
Posted by: Matt || 08/05/2005 12:45 Comments || Top||

#9  ...called Novak's behavior "inexcusable and unacceptable."...

But Peter Arnett was allowed to go on and on and on and on with near treasonous BS, before they had to dump him because the public was incensed...
Posted by: BigEd || 08/05/2005 12:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Hear, hear, Matt! Waiting for the great gladiator, .com to enter the arena!
Posted by: BA || 08/05/2005 12:52 Comments || Top||

#11  They shudda suspended Carville -- from a tall tree with a short rope.
Posted by: GK || 08/05/2005 14:23 Comments || Top||

#12  Suspended from being a punching bag on CNN - is that a bat thing?
Posted by: 2b || 08/05/2005 14:25 Comments || Top||

#13  Uh oh... Run Away! Run Away! Run Away! Nobody can live up to this! Why, the pressure is greater than being aboard a Russkie sub! Help!
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 14:33 Comments || Top||

#14  Yeah, well, I'm not gonna let you forget about that time you went upside rkb's head before you knew she was a mdoreator.
Posted by: Matt || 08/05/2005 14:42 Comments || Top||

#15  lol, Matt. Don't remember that one, although I'm frequently away from the ole' pooter. Linky?
Posted by: BA || 08/05/2005 14:49 Comments || Top||

#16  rkb and I already had some history betwixt us. She was posting under her first and last name that day - I was not aware they were the same person that day or it would not have been played that way. I'll leave it at that.
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 14:51 Comments || Top||

#17  The mind wanders, .com, lol!
Posted by: BA || 08/05/2005 15:05 Comments || Top||

#18  firing the sole conservative on their network will surely save their ratings

There's always Lou Dobbs...I think.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/05/2005 16:54 Comments || Top||

#19  Yeah, well, I'm not gonna let you forget about that time you went upside rkb's head before you knew she was a mdoreator.

That was funny. I mean that in a friendly sorta of screaming laughing sorta way.

Still NMM threatining .com with a nooks and cranny search is still the best. LOL!
Posted by: Shipman || 08/05/2005 17:19 Comments || Top||

#20  Oh yeah, Calvin?

You want Special Sauce with that?
Posted by: .Calhoun || 08/05/2005 17:21 Comments || Top||

#21  Might have been funnier if I could sellp.
Posted by: Matt || 08/05/2005 17:35 Comments || Top||

#22  Hey, mdoreator works for me, man. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 08/05/2005 17:47 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Big Increase in Jobs
This is from the BLS report. This month the payroll increase was about 200k and the household about 450k. The media spin will be toward the 'higher interest rates' meme.

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION: JULY 2005

Nonfarm employment grew by 207,000 in July, and the unemployment rate was
unchanged at 5.0 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Depart-
ment of Labor reported today. Over the month, payroll employment rose in many
service-providing industries.

Unemployment (Household Survey Data)

Both the number of unemployed persons, 7.5 million, and the unemployment
rate, 5.0 percent, were unchanged in July. A year earlier, the number of
unemployed was 8.2 million and the jobless rate was 5.5 percent.
Posted by: mhw || 08/05/2005 08:47 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gee, now I can get that second job flipping burgers that I always wanted.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/05/2005 9:11 Comments || Top||

#2  The media spin will be toward the 'higher interest rates' meme.

If it's even mentioned at all...
Posted by: Raj || 08/05/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

#3  bigjim-ky

Unfortunately, the economy in Kentucky (I'm presuming that's where you live) has been underperforming relative to the national economy for the past year or two.

See: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost
Posted by: mhw || 08/05/2005 9:30 Comments || Top||

#4  So much for breaking the financial backs of the infidels.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/05/2005 9:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Top US Headlines at Google:

US announces indictment of two senior AIPAC officials
CNN suspends Novak after he walks off set
Community Consoles Ohio Military Families
Bush Warns Colombian Leader on Human Rights
Chief Justice Rehnquist treated at hospital
Midair collision kills two: Plane spirals into vacant elementary
Mike slams suit over subway bag searches
NY accuses Maryland man of supporting terror group
GOP Wants More Details of Corzine Aid

I think Google hired somebody from APNYT to program their news service. Where do other readers go for news?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/05/2005 10:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Poison's right on. Bin Laden thinks he knows how to break us, but, we have a economy that just gets richer when we have to invent new products, like we have to do for security and the military.
I'm even amazed at how well we are doing. If the price of oil ever drops, look out. This economy could explode.
Posted by: plainslow || 08/05/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Yes, but what kind of jobs are these? Outsourcing is tearing this nation apart! Interest rates are rising! People are working to earn wages that forces them to live paycheck to paycheck! This administration is running high deficits and ignoring the American people! I served in Vietnam!
Posted by: John Kerry || 08/05/2005 11:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Plainslow

I'm planning for a drop to $40/barrel in the summer of 06. This will give my evil minions the 'our President's energy program is working' talking point and get the bump up in the economy that you anticipate and we'll wait until after the election in Nov 06 to raise interest rate 100 basis points or so to cool the economy off.

Bwahhaaaaa
Posted by: karl rove || 08/05/2005 12:26 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
26 injured by gunfire
KARACHI: About 26 people, including 22 children and four women, were injured by shooting during a wedding in the densely populated Lines Area on Thursday night. Over 300 people were attending the 'mehndi', a wedding ritual, of Muhammad Ramzan's son Yameen in the Sabzi Wali Gali of the Lines Area when the incident occurred. Brigade police said that the women and children were injured due to shots fired from a 12 bore shotgun. However, the police have failed to ascertain the cause of the incident while all the injured have been discharged from the hospital after first aid. Police said that none of the residents were cooperating in the investigation.
Posted by: Fred || 08/05/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When is the electrocution kite festival?
Posted by: ed || 08/05/2005 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I feel naked at a wedding without my 12 gauge...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/05/2005 8:45 Comments || Top||

#3  .
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 19:21 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
F-18 brakes broke
Follow-up to yesterday, big EFL.

Finding and fixing these kind of problems is hard. I've been involved in a couple cases like this, (though our company makes missiles, not targets), and we spend a lot of time determining if there is even a problem. Sometimes there isn't; it really is operator error. But once we find the problem, then we have to fix it, then fix it in the field. The one thing the customer never wants to hear is "You're going to have to ship all your units back to Tucson to be fixed." Sending them all to a depot isn't much better. Then, of course, your fix works and everything seems OK unless it causes some other long-term or itermittant problem that doesn't show up for a couple years when everyone on the original project has left the company or retired.

If the Navy is really doing everything they can (training, preventive maintenance, constant inspections), then it's just one of those things we have to get through and we'll be fine. If they are sweeping it under the rug (as the press always thinks, and unfortunately is actually true one time in a hundred, that's a different matter.


I put this under "tech," because I couldn't think of a better place. How about a separate section for weapons (of all nations)? Or maybe one about just the US military (all aspects)? In your copious free time, of course.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actually, it's exactly the same AP article as yesterday, just reported by a different outlet. Sorry about that. Maybe delete all but the link and comments?
Posted by: Jackal || 08/05/2005 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Done. Tech is where we put stories on military hardware, unless they're talking about how they are being used in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan today.
Posted by: Steve || 08/05/2005 8:30 Comments || Top||



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