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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Kate Winslet's butt hurts after sex scene in sink
Titanic star Kate Winslet was left with a bruised bottom after filming a movie sex scene — this time in a sink. The British actress, who enjoyed movie sex with Leonardo Dicaprio in the back of a classic car in Titanic, found herself in another awkward position as she romanced actor Patrick Wilson's character in Little Children, according to contactmusic.com.

The scene took place in a laundry room and was far from sexy, the web site said. The actress said, "We both had little coverings on the pieces that we didn't want people to see. We spent the most time saying to each other, 'You know, I think your little plastic covering may be coming off a little. Let's get them to put some glue on there.'

"We rehearsed the scene fully clothed, without anyone in the room; just us and (director) Todd (Field), and we just got a general shape of the scene so we knew what to expect. "We did look out for each other and we laughed a hell of a lot. It sounds ridiculous but at a certain point you forget that you're naked with a relative stranger. It's really weird."

"My hips and backside really hurt the next day. They put some pad across the front of the seat and I was sitting on something slightly cushioned. It's all so ridiculous this crazy job we do for a living," the site quoted the star as saying.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kate Winslet's butt hurts after sex scene in sink

yep it's a shame, they don't make sinks like they use to.
Posted by: RD || 10/01/2006 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Do they need a stunt double for Patrick Wilson?
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 2:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Next time, remove the plunger from the sink.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 4:55 Comments || Top||

#4  LOL!
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 10/01/2006 10:59 Comments || Top||

#5  substitute Andy Sullivan for Kate Winslett and it's not so funny :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 10/01/2006 12:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Good one, RD, got to it first > methinks I'll just say "BATHROOMS, WHY THEY HATE US SO". Iff i remember my "How-To" Cable TV Japanese porn from the 1990's, an "R-rating"? is when the ********* for both the male + female actors is taped up in order to SIMULATE *********, i.e. the PHYSICS, but NOT actually do the deed. What occurs/goes on behind the tape(s), is another story.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/01/2006 23:06 Comments || Top||

#7  thanks Joe!
Posted by: RD || 10/01/2006 23:09 Comments || Top||


Anna Nicole's wedding not official?
Anna Nicole Smith's exchange of vows with her lawyer Howard K. Stern on a boat near Nassau was not actually a formal marriage and the ceremony is ``not legally binding," another of her attorneys said yesterday.
The honeymoon's not legally binding, either...
Stern says he is the father of Smith's baby.
Anna Nicole thinks he might be, too, but she's not sure...
The couple ``exchanged vows before God" but did not obtain a marriage license, attorney Michael Scott said in an interview.
"Ummm... Lord?"
"Yes, St. Peter?"
"Anna Nicole Smith and Howard Stern just got married."
"I know. They exchanged their vows before me. I guess I won't turn her into a pillar of salt, even if they don't have a license and they had the honeymoon a year before they had the wedding."
"That's pretty merciful of you."
"I struck her kid dead, though."
The ceremony took place on a catamaran off Nassau 18 days after Smith's 20-year-old son, Daniel Smith, died as he was visiting her in a Nassau hospital, where she had given birth to a girl. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist hired by Smith, said her son died from a lethal combination of two antidepressants and methadone. Authorities in the Bahamas were awaiting their own toxicology results and a police report.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I struck her kid dead, though."

Geez, Fred! Subzero, man.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 3:40 Comments || Top||

#2  And people say I have such a cruel great sense of humor!

Last time I checked, official ceremonies weren't real important to sluts.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 4:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, I thought you were the local reprobate around here Zenster.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/01/2006 10:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Being a lawyer, Stern knows. Planned it that way. Her Skankiness wouldn't know the difference. Nothing is real in her world. Heck, is she sure she's the mother of her new toy?
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 10/01/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#5  nice graphic lol
Posted by: Frank G || 10/01/2006 12:07 Comments || Top||

#6  ROFLMAO!

thnx for graphic, fred. laughter really best medicine. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/01/2006 13:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Yeah, I thought you were the local reprobate around here Zenster.

That's MISTER Reprobate to you.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 16:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Laughter is not the best medicine. Living a pure life and paying fucking attention is the best medicine. That and wrapping the muslim of your choice in a pig blanket.
Posted by: 6 || 10/01/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#9  6, been following your comments LOL!
Posted by: RD || 10/01/2006 19:30 Comments || Top||

#10  So have I. The Muffler Man may get company soon...
Posted by: Pappy || 10/01/2006 21:02 Comments || Top||

#11  Huh? For what, exactly, Pappy?
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 22:35 Comments || Top||

#12  #8 - it is if one is ill
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/01/2006 22:40 Comments || Top||


Neolithic temple discovered in northern Syria
Archaeologists have discovered a temple in northern Syria that could be the oldest in the Middle East, Syria's official news agency reported Saturday. The discovery of the Neolithic temple, dating to the ninth century B.C., was made by a joint Syrian-French archaeological team at Jaadet al-Maghara on the Euphrates river some 450 kilometers north of Damascus, the agency said. It did not say when the temple was unearthed. Objects made of stone and bone instruments were found in the large temple, whose walls bore geometric designs and a drawing of a bull's head in vivid red, black and white colors - further evidence that bulls where worshipped in that period, the report said. The agency quoted Syria's minister of culture, Riyad Neisan Agha, as saying that "this is a unique discovery that could lead to re-reading culture."
"9th century B.C." sounds kind of recent — iron age, rather than Neolithic. Maybe 9th millenium? That would make it contemporaneous with the first wall of Jericho or maybe a little older. The bull cult was common in the Mediterranean prior to the arrival of the Indo-Europeans, around 1500 B.C., and probably lasted in one form or the other into the Christian era.

The article's from AP, though you'd expect JPost, where they live in the middle of archeological sites, to notice that the writer's either having problems with the number of zeros on dates or he's not real sure what the Neolithic might have been.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now the 11,744th 10th holiest site in Islam.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 3:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Let's all hop on a plane and go admire it!
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 4:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Best neolithic town/temple found to date: Çatal Hoyuk in Anatolian Turkey. Dates from about 6000 BC. Marija Gimbutas' work is still the classic on the religious aspects of the neolithic in that area.
Posted by: student || 10/01/2006 9:10 Comments || Top||

#4  9th century BC may be too recent to be Stone Age (Neolithic) in other places, but this is Syria we're talking about.
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/01/2006 9:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Objects made of stone and bone instruments were found in the large temple, whose walls bore geometric designs and a drawing of a bull's head in vivid red, black and white colors..

Temple? Rubbish. It's a butcher's shop, complete with tools, price list of different cuts and a picture of the special of the day.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 10/01/2006 10:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Neolithic ruins discovered! How befitting, since this is precisely the period in history to which the Islamo-Barbarians wish to return.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 10/01/2006 10:56 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks for the links, student!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/01/2006 11:39 Comments || Top||

#8  I have an interest in archeology dating back to helping with an excavation in Panama in the 1960's. There's an interesting weblog, Archaeoblog, that I check quite often. There's nothing there yet about this, but I'm sure there will be (complete with links) in a few days.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/01/2006 17:54 Comments || Top||

#9  That time? Bronze age, not Iron Age.
Posted by: no mo uro || 10/01/2006 21:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Stand by for its complete destruction by the 'Learned Elders of Islam.'
Posted by: USN,Ret || 10/01/2006 22:33 Comments || Top||

#11  Somebody tell Madonna + siblings - they found another of Daddy's graves.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/01/2006 23:50 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
ZimBob charges two white farmers, orders 50 others to leave
President Robert Mugabe’s government will next week prosecute two white farmers for defying orders to vacate their farms while it has also ordered another 50 white landowners across the country to surrender their properties, a top official of the white Commercial Farmers Union said. Only about 600 out of an estimated 4 000 large-scale producing white commercial farmers remain in Zimbabwe after Mugabe drove the majority off the land and gave their farms to landless blacks in a chaotic and often violent campaign he said was meant to correct racial imbalances in land ownership.

CFU vice-president Trevor Gifford declined to disclose the names of the two farmers but said they will next Tuesday appear in the magistrate’s court in the farming town of Karoi in Mashonaland West province. Gifford said: "Two farmers have been issued with summons to appear in court on Tuesday at 8am. They are being accused of ignoring eviction notices that were served on them.

“But the tragedy is that the two are some of the best in tobacco and cereals. One of them had just delivered 1 000 tonnes of maize to the Grain Marketing Board (sole grain procurer owned by the State) and now he is going to be prosecuted for doing that."
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Posted by: Pappy || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I suppose they should be thankful that Zimbabwe has yet to revert back to the level of Jomo Kenyatta's Mau Mau's, although if food production continues to fall that's next.
Posted by: RWV || 10/01/2006 0:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Thats right Bob, end it all now so you can "reform" it all on your own. How bout we call it the great Mugabe Genocide?
Posted by: newc || 10/01/2006 0:34 Comments || Top||

#3  "Not satisfied with the level of hunger in his country, Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe took steps today to deepen the famine. 'We look forward to the day there is not a stalk of wheat to be found anywhere in the country,' a spokesman said. 'Only then will the era of colonial exploitation by nutrition truly be over. Through starvation, Africa will finally be free.'"
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 10/01/2006 2:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Mugabe. What a genius. If I were him, and I'm not fortunately, I would be asking "What went wrong?"
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 2:45 Comments || Top||

#5  what did the farmers do? actually get something too grow.
Posted by: sinse || 10/01/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Guilty of engaging in modern agronomic practices, no doubt. And one of them is rumored to have a daughter who is a thespian!
Posted by: SteveS || 10/01/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#7  I blame Cecil Rhodes. He should have seen all of this coming and taken appropriate action.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/01/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#8 
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Posted by: 6 || 10/01/2006 19:21 Comments || Top||

#9  What's with the pig blanket theme????? MORE lard coming out of the net to coat my pc. Sheesh.
Posted by: ack! || 10/01/2006 19:51 Comments || Top||

#10  sarcasm.... do you need the /sarcasm tag or are you new here?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/01/2006 20:00 Comments || Top||

#11  sorry - I should STFU and not assume. I'ma tired of pig-lard/pig blanket etc. too........
Posted by: Frank G || 10/01/2006 20:07 Comments || Top||

#12  If Bob took my farm, I doubt that anything would grow in the soil any time soon. None of the equipment would ever work again either. Any the farmhouse might not be habitable either.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/01/2006 22:01 Comments || Top||

#13  Hell, get real Besorker, Cecil should have used the more lethal variety of small-pox, (and wrapped the corpses in pig-blankets), then declared a free-fire zone and nuked it with naplam.

Posted by: 6 || 10/01/2006 19:21 Comments || Top||


Britain
Britain welcomes US approval of fast-track extradition
LONDON - Britain welcomed the approval by the US Senate Saturday of a fast-track extradition treaty used to send three bankers to Texas on fraud charges related to the collapsed energy giant Enron. Home Secretary John Reid said he was “delighted” senators had backed the controversial treaty after months of diplomatic pressure from London in the wake of the so-called “NatWest Three” case. “The treaty is an important measure in our fight against serious international crime,” he added in a statement.

Using the treaty, which was originally intended for security suspects and became law in Britain in 2002, the bankers — Gary Mulgrew, David Bermingham and Giles Darby — were flown to Texas in July to stand trial. The trio attempted to overturn the order in the British courts amid widespread criticism that the United States had not ratified the agreement, which lowers the threshold of prima facie proof for suspects to be extradited.

While the treaty was only ratified by Britain, the US authorities demanded a higher burden that there was a case to answer before agreeing to extradite its citizens to Britain.
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Posted by: Steve White || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But will they also approve of concrete shoes as in you know, deep waters + concrete shoes = Jihadis sleep with the fish?
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 10/01/2006 11:00 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
No sign of life where Brazilian jet crashed
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tell their aerial reconnaisance analysts to search for campfires instead of samba lines.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 3:18 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: 6 || 10/01/2006 18:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Damn! That's a good 'en Z! Napalm it to make certain.
Posted by: 6 || 10/01/2006 18:55 Comments || Top||


Chavez: 'Assassination attempt against me foiled'
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Saturday that an attempt was made to assassinate him recently and that those responsible fled to Colombia. Chavez appeared to link the plot to his main rival in upcoming presidential elections, Gov. Manuel Rosales of Zulia state, claiming that he was in constant danger from opponents seeking to get rid of him.

"No more than a few months ago over in Zulia ... they didn't shoot me by a hair's breadth," Chavez said in a televised speech. The Venezuelan president said a sniper had waited with a long-range gun and a motorcycle to escape on, and planned to shoot him as he exited from a helicopter and walked across a 200-meter open stretch.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No dude, you are not even worth the ammo. Makes you feel big thinking you are at the business end of the US gun, huh?

Your gun will come fron your back - right from where you stab GOD.
Posted by: newc || 10/01/2006 0:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol. Chavez the Grate.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 3:44 Comments || Top||

#3 
You have been sinktrapped on grounds of stupidity.



Posted by: Criger Slolung9742 || 10/01/2006 4:15 Comments || Top||

#4  His tinfoil hat deflected the bullet.
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 4:38 Comments || Top||

#5  #3: It smells like superiority in here all of a sudden. Hugo, is that you? :-)
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 4:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Lol, Criger Slolung9742. A simply dazzling post, especially notable for its juvenile phrasing and lack of proof.

Tip: Stop shaking your head. Apparently it only makes you dizzy and liable to reveal yourself as yet another posturing witless wonder of lefty arrogance lacking basic logic and substance, but clearly featuring your inarticulate and banal intellectual fecklessness. In other words, fuck off.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 4:56 Comments || Top||

#7  #6 Now .com, be fair! He has proof he's more intelligent. The media told him so! And the electrical outlets. And his last teacher, too. Right before he dropped out of grade school because it was getting in the way of the career path to be a paper boy. Besides, he sees things nobody else does. Except for Ted Kennedy and John Murtha, whose exhalted ranks he graces with his superior presence.
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 5:07 Comments || Top||

#8 

Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 5:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Criger Slolung9742 - have you been around here a long time? More than a few days perhaps? One would hope so, as at least then you'd have a representative sample to base your assertion on.

The 'burg has a huge number of highly knowledgable, highly eloquent people from a wide variety of professions and countries. Just of the top of my head we have;
* Oil people who have worked in SA and the ME in general
* MDs working in a variety of specialties, including ER
* Serving members of several armed forces
* Serving and retired members of intelligence services
* Veterans of previous conflicts
* People who have lived under Communism and seen the Wall fall
* Folks advising members of governments
* People living their daily lives under the shadow of terrorism - thinking specifically of Israelis here, but of course we are all under threat
* And others who have extensive knowledge of political, religious and military situations around the world; India-Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, Iran, Russia and China-Taiwan come to mind without really pushing it.

Note that I didn't mention highly educated - as I'm assuming that you mean education through 'the system', and frankly I don't rate that indoctrination as being 'education'. As far as I'm concerned, the people here have shown themselves to be independent thinkers who will adjust their point of view as necessary. They have shared their knowledge freely, within the limits of sensibility, and I for one have learnt a shedload from them.

All of which rather makes your comment 'embarrasingly stupid', rather stupid in itself.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/01/2006 8:52 Comments || Top||

#10  Tony (UK),
You forgot to add: and citizens of the country in question, me in this case, whose entire family is experiencing this turd's "socialism of the XXI century".

This got to be the 1000th attempt on his life, all orchestrated by the, get this, the Venezuelan oligarchy (composed of any venezuelan who owns a used car and any opposition candidate)following orders from their masters in the imperialist US goverment.
The turd has only once presented proof of one of the attempts. The proof consisted of a cell phone, a rifle, and the wallet of the would-be-assassin.
Posted by: TMH || 10/01/2006 9:56 Comments || Top||

#11  i say croger is robert cranium, both shithead no it alls
Posted by: sinse || 10/01/2006 10:22 Comments || Top||

#12  < they didn't shoot me by a hair's breadth,"

My, my. Doesn't he just have a way with words.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 10/01/2006 10:25 Comments || Top||

#13  TMH, you have my sympathies mate - this wanker is using the Venezuelan oil wealth to stir up way too much trouble, and I hope you'll get clean elections where you can get rid of him legally.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/01/2006 10:33 Comments || Top||

#14  Tony (UK), you need to add to your list Paedegogical Practitioners -- everything from elementary school to university levels, and of course registered students of various kinds through post-doc, although not lower than junior high school to the best of my knowledge (certainly trailing daughter #1 was 13 when she started posting here). ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/01/2006 11:50 Comments || Top||

#15  Our erstwhile intellectual is posting from that paradise known as Honolulu, Hawaii.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/01/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#16  Why is it that so many U.S. citizens are so stupid??? When I read the comments made here, I just shake my head and think to myself, my fellow uneducated Americans, you are so embarrassingly stupid, your lack of education is so obvious.

Instead of telling us about the magnifigence of your personal brilliance, why not enlighten us as to what we are saying here to cause you to come to such a conclusion
Posted by: badanov || 10/01/2006 12:50 Comments || Top||

#17  #16 bad - trick ?, right?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/01/2006 13:51 Comments || Top||

#18  Disagreeing with you does not necessarily make one stupid.

It's a shocker, I know. Take deep breaths.
Posted by: Jise Ebbump7503 || 10/01/2006 13:55 Comments || Top||

#19  Maybe our Hawaiian poster needs to hang RB around a bit more. It's like judging that state from watching one episode of 'Magnum P.I.' or 'Hawaii 5-0'.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/01/2006 15:18 Comments || Top||

#20  Disagreeing with you does not necessarily make one stupid.

Are you referring to yourself? If so, you just shot yourself in foot! :-)

And shooting oneself in the foot can be used as evidence of stupidity.
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||

#21  #18: Disclaimer: I am assuming that this comment came from our lurker in Hawaii! :-)
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 15:39 Comments || Top||

#22  "I am assuming that this comment came from our lurker in Hawaii!"

It didn't.

Posted by: Dave D. || 10/01/2006 16:02 Comments || Top||

#23  Sorry. Well, enjoy the video then! :-)
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 16:06 Comments || Top||

#24  I moved Pineapple Head's comment into cold storage, and replaced it with the appropriate graphic.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/01/2006 16:17 Comments || Top||

#25  Why is it that so many U.S. citizens are so stupid??? When I read the comments made here, I just shake my head and think to myself, my fellow uneducated Americans, you are so embarrassingly stupid, your lack of education is so obvious.
Posted by: Criger Slolung9742 || 10/01/2006 4:15 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China tried to lure Aussie "Metal Storm" weapon inventor with $100 million
The Chinese military allegedly offered an Australian weapons inventor more than $134 million ($US100 million) to go to Beijing and work on one of the deadliest guns in the world, the Nine Network reports.

But Australian and US military forces are said to be determined to ensure the gun, known as Metal Storm and developed in Brisbane, does not end up in enemy hands. Listed on the Australian Stock Exchange, the company Metal Storm Ltd makes a new type of gun which can fire more than a million bullets a minute and can be remotely operated. The only moving parts are the bullets leaving the gun.

The Nine Network says Chinese officials have made several attempts to secure the weapon from the Brisbane company. In one case, a Chinese-Australian man was on a business trip to Beijing when he was allegedly approached by a Chinese diplomat to secure the gun. He was offered about $2 million to get hold of the weapon and was told it was for the Chinese military, but after joining the Falun Gong movement, the man decided not to follow up the offer.
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Posted by: john || 10/01/2006 10:58 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Like they would pay for something that they could copy. Uh huh.
Posted by: Master of Obvious || 10/01/2006 13:38 Comments || Top||

#2  It's hard to invent copy something that you can't get your hands on. I'll go long here and guess that the requisite Australian patent disclosure documents won't be, how to put this, disclosed.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 14:45 Comments || Top||

#3  You buy the know-how, obviously, which is what the Chinese are doing here.

With the sales under the Clinton administration, they were able to go directly to the end product.
Posted by: prof || 10/01/2006 14:50 Comments || Top||


Europe
Turkey stumbles on WWI genocide
FRENCH President Jacques Chirac has urged Turkey overnight to recognise World War I-era massacres of Armenians as genocide if it wants to join the European Union. Mr Chirac was speaking during a visit to the Armenian capital Yerevan, and his comments were likely to irritate Turkey and put a further strain on its relations with France.

He told a news conference Turkey needed to face up to its Ottoman past in response to a question on the nation's EU ambitions. Asked if he thought Turkey should recognize the 1915-1917 massacres as genocide before it joins the EU, the French president replied: "Honestly, I believe so."

"All countries grow up acknowledging their dramas and their errors," said Mr Chirac, who is on a two-day visit to Armenia, where he paid homage to Yerevan's "genocide" memorial and attended the inauguration of a "France Square" in central Yerevan.
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Posted by: Oztralian || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Turks are not Arabs, if they were Chirac would spare no effort to get them in to the EU asap on in kissing their rear ends.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/01/2006 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  The statement took Le Balls.
Posted by: newc || 10/01/2006 0:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Just like Hamas and its recognition of Israel, Turkey's admission of complicity in the 1915-1917 Armenian genocide must also be a prerequisite to any possible EU admittance.

For those of you unfamiliar with this sad page of history, please consider reading Franz Werfel's book, "The Forty Days of Musa Dagh". It is a stirring fictional yet accurate account of how 5,000 Armenians led by a handful of trained officers held off overwhelming Turkish military forces for over a month through harrowing assaults, desperate heartbreaks and surprise victories.

This is a disturbing narration of what would eventually become known as "The 21st Century's First Genocide". It served as a template for the impending Jewish Holocaust and even Adolph Hitler was recorded as having remarked:

"Afterall, who today speaks of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

From the following source:

Albert Miller, "Neue Zurcher Zeitung", May 5, 1979

I have laid flowers at Yerevan's Genocide Memorial. It is a somber stone enclosure encircling an eternal flame. Almost a century later, Turkish denial of the genocide is a fresh, rankling wound in Armenia's collective consciousness. As I have become more aware, in this post 9-11 era, of Muslim atrocities and the imperious manner in which they are conducted, I have a much deeper appreciation for exactly why Armenia is so unforgiving and unforgetting.

Holocaust denial appears to be a particularly favorite sport of Islam's genocidal fascists. Those who are fond of participating in this grisly and mendacious pastime have long outlived any usefulness in modern society.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 1:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Bah! Of course, that should read, "The 20th Century's First Genocide".
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 1:07 Comments || Top||

#5 
the topic is rightous, but the messenger? E-GAD what an irritating pissant..

Jacques-strap pisse fourmi.
Posted by: RD || 10/01/2006 1:29 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm curious, what's the Official EU cut-off date for doing baaaad things?

I'm not defending Turkey by any means, but shit, the Eurochumps have as much to answer for, themselves. Get Carla suited up, there's plenty of fish to be fried bored to death - and some are much closer to home...
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 3:48 Comments || Top||

#7  After reading the Fjordman article in the opinion page, I find it hard to believe that Chirac has the balls to say anything so confrontational to one of his future masters.
Posted by: Proud Southern Son || 10/01/2006 10:56 Comments || Top||

#8  The Turks aren't Arabs and they haven't any oil. Finally, instead of demanding that Europe accomodate their least whims, they are willing to change to accomodate Europe's demands. Of course Bully Jack isn't going to kowtow to them.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/01/2006 11:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Source: www.armeniapedia.org

Musa Dagh (Dagh is Turkish for mountain) or Musa Ler (Ler is Armenian for mountain) is a small mountain on the Mediterranean coast, today on the Turkish side of the Turkish-Syrian border. The Armenian villagers put up a famous defense of their lives, which was immortalized in the best-selling fictionalized? account by Franz Werfel, The Forty Days of Musa Dagh.

The true events are the inhabitants of six villages on the slopes of Musa Dagh, chose to resist in 1915 and set up fortifications on the mountain. For 53 days they repelled onslaughts by Turkish troops until French sailors sighted a banner the Armenians had tied to a tree on the mountain emblazoned with the words: “Christians in Distress: Rescue.” French and British naval ships then evacuated some 4,200 men, women and children from Musa Dagh to Port Said in Egypt. From there groups of these refugees settled in different places, and many returned after WWI, only to leave permanently in 1939 when this area was transferred from Syria to Turkey. Today, only the tiny village of Vakifli remains Armenian on Musa Ler. In fact, this is the only Christian Armenian village left anywhere in Turkey.

Many of those who were resettled after the handover to the Turks, were moved to Anjar village in Lebanon. This village remains almost wholly Armenian today. Others settled in Musa Ler Village in Armenia, just minutes west of Yerevan. There is a memorial built in the village, and each year 40 huge pots of Harisa are cooked on the anniversary of the escape to celebrate, and shared free with any visitors to their village.
Posted by: RD || 10/01/2006 12:06 Comments || Top||

#10  Look! Isn't that Morgan Fairchild?...
Posted by: Jise Ebbump7503 || 10/01/2006 14:00 Comments || Top||

#11  Turkey is occupying a piece of Europe, specifically northern Cyprus. They aren't worthy.
Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550 || 10/01/2006 21:23 Comments || Top||

#12  And iff ANTI-SECULAR Radical Iran takes over the whole of the ME-Asia Minor, is a SECUALR + SUNNI HOLOCAUST possible???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/01/2006 23:34 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
NYT: Donk's Newest Suicide Strategy - Bash Fox
Original title, which is effectively disproven by the article:
In Taking On Fox, Democrats See Reward in the Risk
The Fox News Channel doesn’t officially turn 10 until this week, but the Democrats have already begun doing their best to spoil the celebrations.

The party crashing began last Sunday, when former President Bill Clinton transformed an interview with Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday” into a finger-pointing tirade against what he called a “conservative hit job.” Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, quickly released a statement applauding Mr. Clinton for standing up to what he described as a right-wing, bullying propaganda machine.

In separate appearances on Fox News over the next two days, Lanny J. Davis, a former special counsel to Mr. Clinton, and Barbara Boxer, the Democratic senator from California, mocked the news channel’s trademarked motto of being “fair and balanced.”

And on Wednesday Paul Begala and James Carville, Democratic commentators for CNN, engaged in more than five minutes of high-decibel debate on Fox with Bill O’Reilly about Mr. Clinton’s appearance, daring Mr. O’Reilly to “come out of the closet” and admit Fox News is a “right-leaning, anti-Clinton network.”

The attacks represent a new twist on the Democrats’ complicated dance with the cable news channel. Though Fox News maintains that its reporting is down the middle, Democrats have long complained that the news channel operates like a public relations outpost of the Bush White House. But never before has that anger built into a mad-as-hell-and-not-going-to-take-it-any-more moment, and spilled over in such naked and sustained fashion onto Fox News itself.

“The Republicans are using Fox News to gin up their base, and now — for the first time — the Democrats are doing it, too,” said Steve McMahon, a Democratic strategist with McMahon, Squier & Associates who handled Mr. Dean’s presidential campaign.

Engaging Fox News in such an aggressive manner, however, may not be the smartest strategy. If there’s a base that needs energizing for these midterm elections, it belongs to the Republicans, and a Clinton-led attack may only revivify them. And so far, there is just one clear beneficiary: Fox News. The news channel has highlighted the contretemps on many of its programs, boosting the ratings in the process.

Democrats do not view Chris Wallace as a partisan gunslinger, as they do some other Fox News personalities. But his questions about whether Mr. Clinton did enough to destroy Al Qaeda ignited simmering Democratic and Clintonian anger.

Democrats had been furious with White House attempts over the last few months to to portray Democrats as weaker on national security than Republicans. And defenders of the Clinton administration were furious about “The Path to 9/11,” the ABC docudrama that they claimed depicted the administration in an unfair light. All this fed into last week’s reaction, Democratic officials and strategists say. “I think it’s important for us to call it what it is,” said Karen Finney, communications director for the Democratic National Committee, speaking about the recent incidents. “We can’t let conservatives and Republicans get away with painting us in a corner and mischaracterizing who we are and what we stand for.”

The incendiary interview appeared on the same day the pessimistic National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq was leaked. And the two events provided an opportune moment to strike, Ms. Finney said.

Soon after the “Fox News Sunday” telecast, Mr. Dean mentioned both items in a combative statement. And the Democratic National Committee followed up Mr. Dean’s statement with an e-mail fundraising appeal, complete with a YouTube link to the interview.

“I think you’re seeing the beginning of an alternative Democratic approach,” a desire to strike back hard, said Mr. Begala, a former Clinton adviser.

“Clinton tapped into something in the Democratic zeitgeist,” Mr. Begala said. “We’re really tired of being bullied, particularly by Fox.”

Democrats have believed, nearly from the moment Fox News began in October of 1996, that the news channel was institutionally biased against them. Fox News officials have disputed such charges, saying the network is merely a corrective to what they contend is a pervasive liberal bias in the news media.

Nonetheless, most Democrats have believed the network could not be ignored. If no one appeared on their shows, who would make the Democratic case? The cable news channel, despite a fall-off in ratings over the past year, still towers over its competitors. And although the viewers who regularly watch Fox News are more likely to be Republican, Democrats and independents still turn up in significant numbers — 20 percent and 17 percent, respectively, compared with 34 percent who are Republicans — according to a recent survey from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Swing voters are important in some states, particularly the Northeast. How they react to the Democrats’ more confrontational approach could help determine how far the Democrats get in their efforts to gain control of the House and Senate.

Some Democrats said they believe that a more muscular approach in taking on the Republicans could help them grab onto an issue that has been an Achilles’ heel for the Democrats in recent elections: national security.

And that couldn’t make some Republicans happier. “I think it puts national security front and center and reminds people that this administration is taking the fight to the terrorists and recognizes the threat America faces,” something the Democrats do not, said Danny Diaz, Republican National Committee spokesman.

The Republican National Committee is doing its bit to spread that point of view. After the Clinton interview, it sent talking points to its grassroots membership and to the news media, and ramped up efforts to book people on TV and radio programs to comment on the debate.

And Fox News executives have not seemed to mind furnishing screen time to Democrats so they can bash the network. (Roger Ailes, the chairman and chief executive of Fox News and Fox Television Stations, was unavailable to comment for this article.)

After all, the ratings don’t lie.

The first three days of the week saw primetime and daily increases of 20 percent and 13 percent, respectively, compared with the average over the previous four weeks. And “Fox News Sunday” got its best ratings in three years.
And thus the now-infamous "hit job" is, in fact, suicide. Brilliant. More, please.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 04:31 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll start taking Begala's claims of Dem bashing seriously when he and his fellow travellers call off their dogs (like Matthews, Olberman, Schneider, etc.) in the MSM.
Posted by: no mo uro || 10/01/2006 6:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah! Somebody gimme another gallon of paint, and where's that first draft of "The Plan"™?
Posted by: Bobby || 10/01/2006 7:33 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't think the Dem strategy of having temper tantrums is going to get them any more votes than they already have.
Posted by: anon || 10/01/2006 7:46 Comments || Top||

#4  CBS, NBC cash goes
to Democrats

CBS: Of over $111,000 given by network employees, just two $1,000 contributions went to President Bush's re-election campaign.

NBC: NBC's contributions totaled $146,585, none of which went to Bush.

Fox: Of the $25,383 total, $4,930 (just 20%) went to Republicans candidates or committees.


THE POLITICS BEHIND FOX NEWS
News Corporation and their families had given almost $350,000 in campaign contributions, 60 percent of which went to Democrats.

Fox News Corp Chairman Rupert Murdoch served as vice finance chairman for a Gore fund-raiser in 2000, and contributed $50,000 to the Gore campaign. He also signed off on a deal allowing the Democrats to use the Staples Center for the 2000 Democratic Convention in Los Angeles at no charge. That was worth $10 million.


It just seems that Fox is right wing in Begala's Bizzaro World because Fox employees gave only 80% of money to the Democratic Party vs nothing by NBC and CBS. That's the best logic the Feelings and Unbalanced Party can offer. Money talks. Bullshit walks.
Posted by: ed || 10/01/2006 8:17 Comments || Top||

#5  80% (not counting that $10 million off the books Staples Center donation to the Dems).
Posted by: ed || 10/01/2006 8:21 Comments || Top||

#6  Can you imagine the bitter envy felt by the people in the Times' newsroom as they worked on this article. A fellow news organization that's having success! and they're not working on our agenda and not letting us set the tone and direction of the national debate, as is our right!! How dare they?!! I think a thought probably momentarily passes through their narrow minds 'perhaps we should adapt and try letting up a little on the elitist, anti-Conservativism.' But most of them would quickly banish such an idea from their head's and then feel slightly ashamed for even having thought it. None would dare mutter it aloud in front of his/her collegues.
Posted by: Monsieur Moonbat || 10/01/2006 9:25 Comments || Top||

#7  This can really backfire. More people will tune to fox to see what all the hubbub is about and find that its more balanced then the other MSM outlets. Why they have both Democratic and Republican commentators! They dont pre-digest the food for you?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/01/2006 9:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Democrats are using the famous "Shoot the Messenger" strategy, usually employed as a last resort.
Posted by: john || 10/01/2006 9:34 Comments || Top||

#9  The donks are at war with Bush, Halliburton, Cheney, Rummy, Fox, Rush, etc.

The donks are not at war with al Qaeda, terrorism, Iran, etc.
Posted by: Captain America || 10/01/2006 10:49 Comments || Top||

#10  When your walls are collapsing around you, you are bound to lash out. The subject of your lashing could very well be those who did not come to your side when the walls were merely cracking.
Their next outburst should be 'help'.
Posted by: wxjames || 10/01/2006 10:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Speaking of Fox News, this morning I watched Chris Wallace interview Michael Scheurer (sp?), Lawrence Wright, and an unknown former NSC hack from the Clinton Admin. It was sort of a carryover from last week's Wallace interview with Clinton.

Best part: Scheurer called Clinton, Clark, and Berger liars (more than once) for claiming they did all they could to take down OBL. Transcript not up yet at Fox, but IIRC Scheurer said "Bill Clinton is flat lying to the American people".

I recall that Scheurer has come in for criticism on these boards, but this morning the guy went after Clinton big time and noted, in passing, that Bush never had any opportunity to take out OBL because we never had "eyes on" OBL during the 8 months of the Bush admin whereas we had "eyes on" OBL under Clinton numerous times.

Posted by: Mark Z || 10/01/2006 11:15 Comments || Top||

#12  Another important point Scheuer made is that there are classified docs out there that prove his point and that the 9/11 commission either ignored the docs, buried them, or never saw them.
Posted by: Mark Z || 10/01/2006 11:22 Comments || Top||

#13  Thx for the heads-up - I look forward to seeing the interview, Mark Z.

As for criticism of Scheurer here, he authored (originally anonymously) a Bush hit book ("Imperial Hubris Blah Blah Blah") and received his due for both his breach of oath as a (then) serving CIA employee of 22 yrs with a personal political agenda and for the bogus attempt to paint Bush as an imperious Neocon warmonger. He also authored an earlier book ("Through Our Enemies' Eyes Blah Blah Blah"), anonymously. His books were published through, who else?, the NYT. For his anti-sitting President / self-serving efforts, he deserved some thumping.

Credit where due - on the topic of Clinton, he's calling it as he saw it first-hand while in the CIA - he was the chief of the Counterterrorist Center's bin Laden unit. He's buffing his creds as a professional analyst - not some political hack, someone who was there, by calling the spades when Clinton weasels. In a way, he is what Dickie Clark has claimed to be.

Sometimes it seems the Michael Scheurers and Dickie Clarks and such seem to be singing in harmony, acting in league. That's false, of course. They (and similar ilk) are hawking books and looking for their piece of the Moonbat Money pie, to be sure, but also have differing degrees of actual knowledge, personal integrity, and personal agendas. Although both Scheurer and Clark would love to derail and (?) depose Bush, and find fame, glory, and Big Bux in the process, their reasons differ, IMHO.

Scheurer was one of the people that Goss was sent to root out of the CIA, a Clintoonian holdover who fought to scuttle Bush admin policies, actively working against his President, by abusing his office.

Clark is merely an asshole who, in seeking both a shiny place in history and a job with a future DhimmiDonk admin, has learned how to grovel and grandstand at the same time. A feat, yes, but not worthy of anything but derision, IMHO.

Just my take, Mark.
Posted by: .com || 10/01/2006 13:12 Comments || Top||

#14  Calling Brit Hume a right-winger would probably be accurate. Calling Chris Wallace a right-winger is a real stretch.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/01/2006 23:13 Comments || Top||

#15  WAFFLE-CRATISM = CLINTONISM > LIBERTARIANISM = CONSERVATIVISM and vice versa as per the winds of blame. KONDRACHE + other DEM-leaning FNC pundits are doing more to save the credibility of what was once the [pro-America] DEMOCRATIC PARTY than anything Billary can ever do. AS LONG AS THE RADICAL/FAR/ULTRA-LEFT CONTROL THE DEMS, AMERICAN HIROSHIMA(S) WILL ALWAYS BE OFFICIALLY HATED-DENIED BUT SECRETLY DESIRED. The Commies came into power by REVOLUTION-CIVIL WAR-FACTIONALISM so why should Fascist = Limited Communist Clintonian America = Amerika go against the grain. *OIL STORM miniseries > RUSSIA-CHINA stayed RUSSIA-CHINA, but only America became the USR [United Socialist Republic(s)].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/01/2006 23:48 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
IAF gets edgy over fighter crunch
New Delhi, Sept. 30: The Indian Air Force has told the government that it needs to buy combat aircraft urgently to maintain its edge over the Pakistan Air Force. So desperate is the IAF’s need that a letter written by its head, Air Chief Marshal S.P. Tyagi, to the defence minister, Pranab Mukherjee, has been leaked to the media.

In the letter written in July, Tyagi has detailed the squadron strength of the IAF and the Pakistan Air Force and said unless diplomatic pressures work to stop or retard the supply of American and Chinese fighter jets to Pakistan, the IAF will be hard put to retain its traditional edge.

The letter has been leaked — despite the high security that is supposed to guard correspondence between the air chief and the defence minister — less than a fortnight ahead of October 8, when the air force will flag off its Platinum Jubilee celebrations. Both, the contents of the letter and the fact that it was leaked, point to the desperation of air headquarters.

For Tyagi, who has often said he needs 126 multi-role combat aircraft “today”, writing a letter to the government and detailing his service’s needs is like a last resort. The Centre officially maintains that expenses for security purposes are never held back. The air chief has also said it was important to plan for the long-term to ensure a favourable balance of power with Pakistan.

In the letter, Tyagi has said:

The IAF is down to 34 fighter aircraft squadrons. This is at least six squadrons (120 aircraft) short of the level that is said to be necessary

With the phasing out of MiG 21s — the oldest fighter aircraft — the IAF will be down to about 31 squadrons in six years

IAF fighter squadron strength could go down to about 26 squadrons — the same as Pakistan’s — by 2018

But unlike India, where the government has done nothing to buy the 126 planes that the air force has urgently requested, Tyagi says Pakistan’s air force is getting plenty of new hi-tech aircraft. The air chief marshal has warned that Pakistan is set to strengthen its air force by acquiring two squadrons of F-16s from the US and also Chinese J-10 fighter aircraft and by co-developing the J-17 Thunder with the Chinese.

Accounting for all the acquisitions by Pakistan, the IAF will take about a decade at the very least to stumble back to its desired number of squadrons. In the interim, Tyagi has suggested, the government should take a serious look at a fast-track procurement of 40 Sukhoi 30 Mki multi-role aircraft.

He has also said the global tender for the 126 multi-role combat aircraft that has been put on hold should be immediately issued. Though this is never admitted publicly, the IAF is worried that the government is yet to decide on the global tender for these aircraft even though responses to Requests for Information were received more than 10 months back.
Posted by: john || 10/01/2006 11:09 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Indian Finance Minister is not at all fond of military spending.. they're gonna have to wait a long time for new aircraft
Posted by: john || 10/01/2006 11:17 Comments || Top||

#2  If they need 'em, Lend-Lease program could be resurrected.
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/01/2006 12:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Another governement with leaks a plenty.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/01/2006 22:14 Comments || Top||


Aziz for inter-faith understanding
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Saturday said the lack of inter-faith and inter-cultural understanding was a major challenge for the world.

Talking to a delegation of Christian leaders from the US, UK and Netherlands, he urged them to work harder for the promotion of inter-faith harmony to make the world a better place to live in. He said minorities in Pakistan were free to practice their faith and that the government was taking all possible measures to ensure that people belonging to different faiths continued to live in peace and harmony.

Emphasising the need for interfaith dialogue to promote better understanding among the people of various faiths, he said Islam encouraged peace, tolerance, brotherhood and respect for all religions. The prime minister said that minorities had been given the dual right to vote for the first time in the country's history, allowing them to vote for general seats as well as for the particular seats reserved for them.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Inter" derives from Internal, which is seemingly missing from Islam. External forces is the differnece. Just like the media says "Insurgents" even when they are "exsurgents".

Interfaith means they understand Faith as a vocabulary and as a doctrine which they refuse t learn.

So, welcome to the end of Islam.
Posted by: newc || 10/01/2006 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Wotta load. He must use industrial strength glue to keep those lips on...
Posted by: PBMcL || 10/01/2006 0:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Talking to a delegation of Christian leaders from the US, UK and Netherlands, he urged them to work harder for the promotion of inter-faith harmony to make the world a better place to live in.

In other words, "it's all your fault".
Posted by: Pappy || 10/01/2006 0:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Everything was fine until the extremists came along and the moderates didn't do $hit to stop them. Get to work on yourself and if/when you finally get there, you'll find Christians, Jews and pretty much most of the rest of the planet was already there all along.
Posted by: gorb || 10/01/2006 2:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Let's translate: to PM Aziz, interfaith harmony means you-all act like proper little dhimmis, and we Muslims who were set by God to beat you like donkeys, we will allow you to do so. Anything else will precipitate disharmony.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/01/2006 12:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Ms. TW : Bingo!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/01/2006 14:28 Comments || Top||

#7  He must use industrial strength glue to keep those lips on

Naaaa, vacuum -- between the ears.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/01/2006 18:30 Comments || Top||

#8  Could be, OP. But vacuum gives you at most 15 psi of holding force. In his case the stress has to be huge...
Posted by: PBMcL || 10/01/2006 18:50 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Tikrit: al Sunnah islammemo 'reportage' from the enemy
It's edited a bit by me.
In: The Arab and Islamic world Saturday : 8 Ramadan 1427 e-September 30, 2006 last updated 21:36 Greenwich Mecca (PBUH)

Tikrit: Glorious Lions wage bloody clashes to storm the headquarters of the CIA!

Islammemo [particular]: Violent clashes are now around the perimeter of the headquarters of the American Central Intelligence Tikrit.

The transfer reporting of from our correspondent in the city that the clashes seemed that the aim to storm the enhanced symptoms fortified cement and guarded by Marines. [OORAH Git Sum!!]

The correspondent noted that the clash was preceded by the fall of mortar shells and Katyusha rockets at the headquarters.

Our correspondent said, quoting eyewitnesses, and because of violent clashes forced worshipers in the mosques of Tikrit to shorten the prayers in mosques for fear of increasing the pace of clashes in Tikrit, We bring you the latest developments as they are received from God Almighty.

"Our correspondent" surely has to be a AP, al Reuters, al Guardian MSM stringer. Lets wait for tomorrow and see. Islammemo site loads script to change your home page.. so don't go there if you don't have good protection or are unprepared to do battle. >:)
Posted by: Ulomomble Thromoger4651 || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We bring you the latest developments as they are received from God Almighty.


Allan's a stringer now.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 10/01/2006 9:52 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Lee Kuan Yew sends reply to Malay PM
Singapore's founding father and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has written to Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi over his recent remarks about the Chinese being marginalised in Malaysia.
“My neighbours both have problems with their Chinese. They are successful, they're hardworking and therefore they are systematically marginalised, even in education. And they want Singapore, to put it simply, to be like their Chinese, compliant...”
The Straits Times quoted Lee's press secretary, Y. Y. Yeong as saying the letter was now with the Singapore High Commission in Kuala Lumpur. "(It) is ready to be personally conveyed to Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi," she said.

Abdullah wrote to Lee last week seeking clarification over the controversial remarks. On Sept 15, Lee, 83, told a forum on good governance that the attitude of Malaysia and Indonesia towards the republic was shaped by the way they treated their Chinese communities. "My neighbours both have problems with their Chinese. They are successful, they're hardworking and therefore they are systematically marginalised, even in education. And they want Singapore, to put it simply, to be like their Chinese, compliant," Lee had said.

The remarks drew protests from Malaysia and Indonesia, with the foreign ministries of both countries summoning Singaporean envoys to explain Lee's remarks.
Posted by: Fred || 10/01/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Plato would have loved Mr. Lee. The ideal benevolent dictator.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/01/2006 12:08 Comments || Top||

#2  "explain Lee's remarks"

truth hurts, eh?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/01/2006 13:59 Comments || Top||

#3  "My neighbours both have problems with their Chinese. They are successful, they're hardworking and therefore they are systematically marginalised, even in education.

Sounds like what happens to minorities in most Muslim majority countries.

And they want Singapore, to put it simply, to be like their Chinese dhimmis, compliant

There, fixed that.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/01/2006 18:20 Comments || Top||


Junta holds two more uprising leaders
BURMA'S military junta arrested two more leaders of the 1988 student uprising toady as Washington stepped up pressure on the regime to stop jailing its political opponents. Police picked up Pyone Cho and Ko Min Zeya from their homes in Yangon, family members told Reuters, four days after fellow student leaders Min Ko Naing, Ko Ko Gyi and Htay Kway were detained without explanation. "Things are going from bad to worse," said a colleague of Ko Min Zeya, who was freed in 1998 after nearly a decade in jail.

Pyone Cho was released in 2003 after 14 years in prison. "The police have stepped up surveillance on our movements and activities. Our houses are also under surveillance," said the colleague, who declined to be named.

The five were key figures in the nationwide protests against military rule that resulted in the deaths of several thousand demonstrators after troops intervened. Ko Min Zeya's arrest comes a day after he and other ex-1988 student leaders sent a letter to junta chief Senior General Than Shwe and Home Minister Maung Oo calling for the immediate release of the three men.
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