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Africa Horn
Thousands flee fighting as Congo rebels seize gorilla park
(CNN) -- Congolese rebels seized a major military camp and a spacious gorilla park in a renewed bout of heavy fighting that sent thousands fleeing, according to the United Nations and park officials. The fighting comes after a tenuous week-old U.N. brokered cease-fire between rebels and government forces fell apart Sunday.

Fighting between the rebels under renegade Gen. Laurent Nkunda and Congolese army regulars in the eastern province of North Kivu of the Democratic Republic of the Congo displaced thousands of civilians, according to U.N. spokesman Michele Bonnardeaux. The rebels also seized the headquarters of Virunga National Park in eastern Congo after intense fighting with the Congolese army, according to a statement by park officials.

The rebels have used Virunga Park as a base but have never seized its headquarters before. The 3,000 square mile (7,800 square kilometer) park has a gorilla facility and is home to 200 of the 700 endangered mountain gorillas in existence. Over 50 rangers were forced to flee into the forests and abandon the park station, in fear of their lives," the park statement said.

"They have seized the entire gigantic infrastructure [of the park headquarters] which is stategically very close to the main road heading north into Goma," said park spokeswoman Samantha Newport by phone from Goma, about 40 kilometers from the fighting. "The situation is eastern Congo is very dangerous," she said. "It's the first time they've [rebels] ever had the audacity" to take over the park.

Newport said the rebels have set up roadblocks so the rangers are making their way through woods south to safety. She said the gorillas and other wildlife in the park are in danger of getting caught in the crossfire.

A park ranger described the takeover. "When the rebels started approaching the park station we thought we were all going to be killed," said Park Ranger Bareke Sekibibi, 29, who spoke by cell phone from the forest earlier as he fled, according to the park statement. "We are not military combatants, we are park rangers protecting Virunga's wildlife."

Although the civil war in the Congo officially ended in 2003, recent fighting in eastern Congo between government forces and rebels has caused tens of thousands to flee their homes

The conflict and humanitarian crisis in Congo have taken the lives of some 5.4 million people since 1998, and that 45,000 people continue to die there every month, according to an International Rescue Committee report in January.
Posted by: Oztralian || 10/26/2008 11:50 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Africa Subsaharan
Report Accuses Top Officials for Post-Elections Violence in Kenya
A government-sponsored commission in Kenya has accused a number of top-level officials of inciting and funding ethnic violence in the country that left thousands dead and hundreds of thousands displaced following disputed elections late last year.

The report, which was embargoed by a separate government commission, was leaked to FOXNews.com. It makes allegations against 219 persons, including many government ministers.

Their names are included in the "Schedule of Alleged Perpetrators," a 54-page appendix to the report of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights, or KNCHR, on violence related to the country’s December 2007 elections.

Most of the accused are supporters of the Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, whose leader, Raila Odinga, nonetheless supported the establishment of a tribunal to try those politicians responsible for inciting the post-election violence. Odinga, who is not accused, belongs to the Luo tribe.

That's this Odinga and this violence.
Posted by: lotp || 10/26/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Saudi 'Moral Guards' Told not to Chase Vehicles
JEDDAH, Saudi-Controlled Arabia -- Field workers of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice have been ordered not to chase any car even if they suspect the inmates are involved in objectionable activity. They have been asked to give a written undertaking not to do so.
'Field workers' -- are those hard boyz or community organizers?
According to a recent circular sent by the presidency of the commission to its branch offices across the kingdom, field workers have been directed to inform the police if they detect any such violation. The circular ordered the Commission's 3,557 field workers to inform the nearest police station instead of chasing any suspect vehicle.
Let the professionals in the security department take people out for a drive in the desert ...
It is the duty of the commission members to check moral violations -- illegal mixing of men and women, harassment of women by men and immodest conduct by men or women.
Most societies manage without checking moral violations too vigorously ...
According to the circular, the Commission members only need to provide to the police details about the suspected vehicle such as its registration number and other description that may help in the identification of the vehicle, the Arabic daily Al Madinah newspaper reported.

The Presidency's move comes in the wake of mounting criticism against some Commission members whose action led to several mishaps. The Presidency noted that the responsibility vested in the Commission members to chase the vehicle of a moral violator has not produced the desired results but in some cases led to road accidents. Relentless chase by zealous Commission members recently have reportedly caused several deaths.
Never the fault of the hard boyz ...
Relatives of a young man and woman who died following a hot chase by anti-vice cops in Tabuk city have accused the Commission members of murder and are planning to sue them.

Some Commission members were also reportedly involved in the car chase that led to the death of a young man in Madinah recently.

When the Commission came under attack for such accidents and deaths, two committees -- one in Riyadh and another in Madinah -- were constituted to investigate the charges against the members. The Commission has also made it clear that severe action would be taken against the members who overstepped the legal limits imposed on them.

The president of the Commission had several times in the past made it clear that the Commission members did not have the power to chase or arrest any suspect. They should only inform the police, who are the right authority to find and arrest the suspects.
The hard boyz can only thump the violators, not arrest them ...
While the total number of the field workers of the Commission is put at 3,554, there are 628 administrative staff. There are also 117 security officials, 345 drivers, 116 messengers and 266 other workers.
Sounds like a city department in Chicago ...
The Commission uses 1,634 cars.
The Pontiac 6000 SUX is a big seller here ...
The Commission has been conducting several programmes to train and develop the skills of its staff members, particularly the field workers. It wants its members to be polite in dealing with the public and remain within the limits of its jurisdiction. More than 3,100 Commission members have attended the training programmes.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/26/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This stuff was always semi amusing to read about because it's happening in KSA. It won't be so funny when it's the obamaween here asking why you seem to have so much compared to the 'little people,' whoever the one -spit- decides they may be...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/26/2008 8:25 Comments || Top||

#2  "Saudi 'Moral Guards' Told not to Chase Vehicles"

'Cause they might be parked and it hurts when...
Posted by: Hyper || 10/26/2008 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Had a dog that liked to chase cars, once. Didn't care if car was going towards or away from him. Soon, no more dog. End of flat dog story. Why is the government/religion paying these people to do this? Don't they have enough Peeping Tom types in Jeddah that they could get this service gratis?
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 10/26/2008 10:28 Comments || Top||

#4  End of flat dog story

Pls can has moar?

/kittuahs every damn where
Posted by: .5MT || 10/26/2008 13:05 Comments || Top||


Britain
UK defense minister backs Euro army
John Hutton has become the first defence secretary to back a French plan for a European army, branding those who dismiss it as "pathetic".

In a wide-ranging interview with The Sunday Times, he said: "I think we've got to be pragmatic about those things. Where it can help, we should be part of it."

His support goes beyond the public position of Gordon Brown, the prime minister, and will antagonise those who believe that further European cooperation will undermine Nato by excluding the United States. Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, has sought to develop Europe's military structures with new headquarters and rapid reaction forces, each consisting of 1,500 troops from member countries.

Hutton said: "France is one of our closest allies, militarily. The French believe very strongly in this type of role. If we can support it, we should."

He added that working with EU allies on military missions was "perfectly sensible." He emphasised that Britain should not contribute troops to joint EU operations if it risked compromising other missions, and cited plans for a European Union-led mission to tackle piracy off Somalia as a "good example" of how such forces could be used
more at the link, Burgers ...
Posted by: lotp || 10/26/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  google "common purpose", the organisation metastasising throughout the whole U.K. government.
It's a all party group opposed to individual rights and very much engaged in a silent coup to install a post-democratic government. They have almost succeeded with Cameron being CP, as well as Labour.
You'll have to wade through a load of tin-foil chaff to get to the truth, but CP will be coming to the USA soon.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/26/2008 18:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Great idea. As long as Europe doesn't have a crisis after working hours or on weekends the Euro army should be very effective.
Posted by: Omuns Big Foot8648 || 10/26/2008 22:44 Comments || Top||

#3  PRAVDA > FAMOUS ASTROLOGER PREDICTS WORLD CRISIS IN 2010 WHICH WILL DESTROY EU AND NATO [West will collpase]. Forecasts the end of Russ econmic sector/bloc come Jan-Feb = Winter 2009 + collapse of Russ national banking sector, but RUSSIA WILL SURVIVE - AS LATTER SURVIVAL OCCURS circa 2010, US-WEST HOWEVER MAY SUFFER A PARALLEL CATASROPHIC CRISIS [ten years - 2020]WHICH COULD FINALLY DESTABILIZE AND DESTROY THE US-WEST. EUROPE = EU may devol into MINI-UNIONS OR EURO-BLOCS.

OTOH, CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > NATO GROWING BY THE DAY/US TAKING STEPS TO GET ALBANIA, CROATIA INTO NATO [by next year's NATO Summit]; + US UNVEILS GLOBAL STRIKE COMMAND. Only USAF B52's + B-2's will have the NUCLEAR STRIKE/ATTACK MISSION, NOT B-1's [Conventional Bopmbing].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/26/2008 22:57 Comments || Top||

#4  ION TOPIX > IRAN > IRAN CRITICIZES NATO EXTENSION TO THE EAST; + IRAN DOUBTS US CAN FORM ANTI-IRAN COALITION OUTSIDE OF UNITED NATIONS; + MEDVEDEV: RUSSIA CAN SURVIVE FINANCIAL CRISIS, EMERGE STRONGER.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/26/2008 23:03 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Hugo: Opponent part of murder plot
Venezuela's president threatens to imprison an opposition governor who is also one of his main political rivals for allegedly plotting to kill him. "I am determined to put Manuel Rosales behind bars. A swine like that has to be in prison," President Hugo Chavez the said.

Opposition leader Manuel Rosales - who lost to Chavez in the 2006 presidential election - is governor of the oil producing state of Zulia. He is running for mayor of Zulia's capital, Maracaibo, in the upcoming November 23 gubernatorial and municipal elections.

Chavez railed against Rosales at a gathering of businessmen in Zulia, urging the audience to vote against his rival for allegedly plotting to assassinate him, running criminal gangs and illegally acquiring cattle ranches.

Rosales' campaign did not immediately respond to Chavez's comments.

Chavez also said that he has suspended a trip to El Salvador for the Ibero-American summit next week because the El Salvadorian government cannot guarantee his safety.
Posted by: Fred || 10/26/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rosales should have seen this coming. It will be difficult to run for president from out the country.
Posted by: Formerly Dan || 10/26/2008 9:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Looks like it's time to start running from the president - fast.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 10/26/2008 10:30 Comments || Top||

#3  "I am determined to put Obama Manuel Rosales behind bars. A swine like that has to be in prison," John McCain President Hugo Chavez the said.

Sorry, musings of a frustrated, would-be speech writer.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 10:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Heh,
When he get's rolling on Halo Presidente! it's hard for him to stop.


Still the idea of a once a week call-in to the Executive has its attraction.

Go ahead, this is your President.
Hello?
Go ahead caller.
Hello?
Go ahead caller from Mesa
Hello? What?
Go ahead caller from HWS.
Oh, okay. Long-time caller first time...
Hello?
Mr. Biden? How did this get? What?
So I'm like WTF and she was like WTF
Then the saucer like hoovered... it was a trip Chief.

We'll be right back after this message from the DNC
Posted by: .5MT || 10/26/2008 13:12 Comments || Top||


Mexican town stands up for illegal immigrants
The Sunday afternoon calm was broken by shouts from the small, mission-style house, watched over by a statue of the Virgin Mary.

Bloodied hands punched through the windows. The glass shattered. Suddenly, dozens of people were clambering over the back wall and jumping onto the street below. Some dropped into the patios of adjoining houses. Most were dressed only in tattered underwear, their bodies marred by dark bruises and angry burns. One man had the handle of a knife poking from his abdomen.

The men and women ran up to shocked townsfolk and pleaded in their Central American accents: We were kidnapped. The local police are involved. Please help.

For a moment, the people of this small Mexican migrant town hesitated. It would be easier, and certainly safer, to go back inside and let the foreigners hide in the surrounding cornfields of this high mountain valley outside Puebla. But then they thought of their own relatives living illegally in the U.S. They thought of the times they had fallen victim to government and police corruption, and of the growing crime and violence throughout Mexico.

Then, in an act that defied years of resignation in the face of immigrant abuse, they got on cell phones and bullhorns to mobilize the entire town. And in doing so, they launched a powerful challenge to Mexico's long tradition of complaining about treatment of Mexican migrants in the United States, while treating Central American migrants at home even worse
long story at the link
Posted by: lotp || 10/26/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sturges3
Posted by: .5MT || 10/26/2008 7:23 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
John McCain Sarah Palin Anti-War Mural in Berkeley
Posted by: tipper || 10/26/2008 05:13 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How daring! How clever! How... unexpected... (yawn).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/26/2008 5:26 Comments || Top||

#2  I forgot what I was going to say.
Posted by: Vortigern Angusosh6855 || 10/26/2008 6:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Third world communist party mural add. Seen it before. Saddens me to see it here in the States.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 8:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe they should get a 100 million killed by the preists of Marx mural?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/26/2008 10:45 Comments || Top||

#5  right below an Oakland Raiders Billboard ad - Double LOSER!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/26/2008 10:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Can we expect anything less from the People's Republic of Berkeley?? Just askin'...ya' know?
Posted by: WolfDog || 10/26/2008 14:19 Comments || Top||

#7  They really are different in NorCal.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/26/2008 15:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Can we expect anything less from the People's Rich White Kid Republic of Berkeley?

This is more accurate.
Posted by: JFM || 10/26/2008 17:49 Comments || Top||

#9  does anyone care what a bunch of addled old hippies think?
Posted by: Betty || 10/26/2008 18:50 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Cleric calls for ban on dancing, partying in Karbala
* Cleric calls for ban on dancing, partying
* Some welcome the move in the holy city
* Other say it's a retutrn to "dark old days"

A CLERIC'S call to ban partying and dancing in the Shiite holy city of Karbala has triggered a heated debate among residents, just when they had begun living without fear of hardline militias.

In his Friday sermon, Sheikh Abdel Mahdi al-Karbalaie, the representative of revered Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, called on residents of Karbala to put a halt to dancing, partying, listening to music loudly and displaying "provocative" women's garments in shops.

"Too many negatives have appeared lately in Karbala. Unfortunately, nobody is stopping them and dissuading people from them," Sheikh Karbalaie said. "It is the responsibility of all... the state, the NGOs (non government organisations) professors, according to their abilities, to practise the principles of Islam. Everyone is responsible in front of God."

The call from Sheikh Karbalaie, aide of Ayatollah Sistani who is known as a moderate religious leader, has divided the local population, with many welcoming the sermons and others terming it an attempt to return to the "dark old days".

During the former regime of Saddam Hussein, Iraq was known for its more secular lifestyle but after he was toppled in 2003 by invading US-led forces, local Shiite militias began enforcing a strict Islamic code of living. Attacks on shops selling music CDs, women's beauty products and dresses were common in Karbala as the militias, mainly loyal to radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, became the city's new moral police.

Sameer, a shopkeeper who used to sell women's dresses, recalls how one day militiamen stormed his shop and ordered him to put a veil even on the dummy of a model. "At that time there was a woman in my shop and she asked the militiamen why they didn't go and veil dummies of male models in other shops," said Sameer, who gave only his first name.

But a fierce firefight in Karbala in August 2007 that killed 52 worshippers prompted Sadr to suspend the activities of his militia amid allegations that his fighters had sparked the bloodletting by clashing with local security forces.

After that, residents once again began enjoying a measure of freedom in the city, which houses the shrines of Shiite Islam's revered Imam Hussein and his half-brother Abbas.

Sheikh Karbalaie's call could bring down the clamp once again.

"I can't believe that a religion can forbid people to have fun and call only for grief and sorrow," said Salem Jahel, a local tour operator. "We live in a country that is multicultural and you can't impose one single code of conduct. The shops are now displaying their products freely. In this country, there are religious as well as secular people."

Another resident Qassim Ra'ad said people are tired of daily killings and bombings and needed some lighter relief. "Iraq is looking for hope in life and they want to forbid even these simple things. Do they want us to keep crying and flagellate ourselves always? Is this life? Do they want us to return to the old dark days?'"

A local journalist said Sheikh Karbalaie's call was against the spirit of Iraqis who are known for their humour and dynamism. "In old times, our ancestors used to work and sing in the fields. So is there anything wrong with what we are doing today?" he said, declining to reveal his name.

Ayatollah Sistani's office, meanwhile, said Sheikh Karbalaie's call was his own view and did not represent the senior cleric's opinion. But as a representative of Sistani, he knows what he has to do in the city," the office said.

Several residents of the central Iraqi city, however, welcomed Sheikh Karbalaie's call as long as it was enforced peacefully.

"I support Sheikh Karbalaie on condition that such bad behaviour is suppressed by persuasion (rather than force) because Islam is under attack everywhere," said Zuhair Saad, a worker in the city's municipality. "If we use force, they will say we are terrorists."

Another resident, Adel Abbas, said he too supported Karbalaie as the music being played these days was "unsuitable to the holiness of the city".

"Karbala is a holy city. Those who want to party should do it in their homes without causing disturbances," he said.
Posted by: Oztralian || 10/26/2008 11:40 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ayatollah Sistani's office, meanwhile, said Sheikh Karbalaie's call was his own view and did not represent the senior cleric's opinion

Under Al-Bus!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/26/2008 14:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Footloose 2: Karbala Boogie.
Posted by: ed || 10/26/2008 14:30 Comments || Top||

#3  "Footloose 2: Karbala Boogie". - dang you beat me to it. See something that southern Baptist and Shiite clerics have in common.

Are Shiites considered illuminati liberals or socialist? Perhaps Obama can tell us.
Posted by: Ulomons Bluetooth2079 || 10/26/2008 16:18 Comments || Top||

#4  perhaps if we sinktrap anyone using "illuminati", our nym-hopping troll will pick one and stick with it
Posted by: Frank G || 10/26/2008 16:28 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
US considering implications of nuclear decline
The mighty U.S. arsenal of nuclear weapons, midwived by World War II and nurtured by the Cold War, is declining in power and purpose while the military's competence in handling the world's most dangerous arms has eroded. At the same time, international efforts to contain the spread of such weapons look ineffective.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, for one, wants the next president to think about what nuclear middle-age and decline means for national security.

Gates joins a growing debate about the reliability and future credibility of the American arsenal with his first extensive speech on nuclear arms Tuesday. The debate is attracting increasing attention inside the Pentagon even as the military is preoccupied with fighting insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. The unconventional tools of war there include covert commandos, but not nuclear weapons.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: john frum || 10/26/2008 11:32 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Defense Secretary Robert Gates, for one, wants the next president to think about what nuclear middle-age and decline means for national security.

The Donk response will be to gut the missile defense system. Just put a big sign up at the border which reads "KICK ME".
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/26/2008 11:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Mullen f^cked up the Navy and now he wants to do the amse to nukes. The Air Force is rebuilding SAC in all but name. And the Tridents never seem to have lost the spirit of Rickover.

We should keep the design infrastructure up, but that just means returning LLNL to its original function and getting them out of this alternate energy bs.

Nuclear decline. sheesh.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/26/2008 12:12 Comments || Top||

#3  So if we are declining our Nuclear stockpile, do you think that this will discourage N. Korea, Iran, and others? Yah, the illuminati media are not going to cover this anytime soon. At least it won't be an issue for reporters.
Posted by: Galactic Coordinator Shease1515 || 10/26/2008 15:35 Comments || Top||


Border crossing cards are flawed, easy to fake
State and federal officials are reviewing a report by University of Washington researchers that found gaping holes in one of the new security features at the border.

Graduate student Karl Koscher was part of a UW team studying radio frequency ID, the kind of technology used in store security tags and key card readers.

The team was surprised to find that it's also a security feature in the state's new enhanced driver's licenses and passport cards, which are supposed to deter criminals at the nation's high security borders. The cards are embedded with microchips that send the card-holder's personal identifying code to a card reader.

"You place these on the dash of your car at the border," Koscher said. "Readers read it from a distance and before you're at the gatehouse and everyone's information is already on the screen."

That information is then reviewed by the border agent as part of the screening process.

After researching the passport and enhanced driver's license cards, the UW researchers warned the Department of Homeland Security that the ID cards could be compromised with inexpensive, off-the-shelf radio equipment.

Sam Sprangenberg works for a Seattle security company. "We could put this inside a briefcase and push the magic button and we could read RFID information on your badge," he said.

"All they have to do is find someone who looks similar to them," Koscher said. "They can snatch their ID off the card. They can put in on another card, those are extremely cheap to buy online, less than $1."

The cards won't give anyone your name or social security number. They only contain a coded ID.

The state Department of Licensing, which issues the enhanced driver's licenses, is also studying the report. It also believes there are many other security features that would stop criminals at the border.
"Like high security Pixies and Elves, and ID checking Unicorns."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/26/2008 09:22 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How about parking an M-1 at the customs port of entry, with its muzzle pointed toward the cars coming through. Any false information, or bad information, and the main gun fires. Only those triple-sure of their safety would dare cross the border. I'll take the scrap-iron concession...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/26/2008 17:27 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
Democrats contemplate abolishing 401(k) tax breaks - Mandatory worker contributions considered
Relax - give the Feds an additional 5% to spend, and your retirement is in good hands.
Why McCain hasn't turned this into a campaign ad yet I don't know ...
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.
It's not a break, it's a deferral. When you retire and cash your 401k you pay the taxes on the disbursement.
House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-HAMAS (Washington), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.
We have one of those already.
A plot plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller's Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.
That she's from the 'New School' is all you need to know.
At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months.
Bad as that is, what Ghilarducci proposes is far worse.
Under Ghilarducci's plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government ...
Guess where that 'subsidy' comes from ...
... but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.
The bonds, of course, fund all the new spending for Congress.
The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated.

"I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s," Ghilarducci said in an interview. "401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won't have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break."
Hers is one voice in 300 million. Do the rest of us get a say?
Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said.
NOT TRUE. You can invest your 401k at Vanguard (for example) or Fidelity in an indexed fund and pay fees that are very, very low.
"I want to spend our nation's dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered" if the plan were adopted, Ghilarducci said.
How in the world would that be true? You get your money compounded at 3% instead of 7%, the historical market return, and it gets invested into government bonds that the Congress uses to burn more money. How is that better for anyone other than Congress?
She has been in contact with Miller and McDermott about her plan, and they are interested in pursuing it, she said.
Well sure they are, they love spending other people's money.
"This [plan] certainly is intriguing," said Mike DeCesare, press secretary for McDermott. "That is part of the discussion," he said.

While Miller stopped short of calling for Ghilarducci's plan at the hearing last week, he was clearly against continuing tax breaks as they currently exist. The savings rate isn't going up for the investment of $80 billion," he said. "We have to start to think about ... whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should."
That's an idiot statement. The savings rate isn't the issue here. People lock up money for long periods of time into equities, and that helps our economy far more than having the money used to facilitate more government spending.
"From where I sit that's just crazy," said John Belluardo, president of Stewardship Financial Services Inc. in Tarrytown, New York. "A lot of people contribute to their 401(k)s because of the match of the employer," he said. Belluardo's firm does not manage assets directly.

Higher-income employers provide matching funds to employee plans so that they can qualify for tax benefits for their own defined-contribution plans, he said. "If the tax deferral goes away, the employers have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income brackets," Belluardo said.

"This is a battle between liberalism and conservatism," said Christopher Van Slyke, a partner in the La Jolla, California, advisory firm Trovena, which manages $400 million. "People are afraid because their accounts are seeing some volatility, so Democrats will seize on the opportunity to attack a program where investors control their own destiny," he said.
The Dhimmicrats have to be seen as 'doing something', even if it is ultimately destructive.
The Profit Sharing/401(k) Council of America in Chicago, which represents employers that sponsor defined-contribution plans, is "staunchly committed to keeping the employee benefit system in America voluntary," said Ed Ferrigno, vice president in the Washington office. "Some of the tenor [of the hearing last week] that the entire system should be based on the activities of the markets in the last 90 days is not the way to judge the system," he said.

No legislative proposals have been introduced and Congress is out of session until next year. However, most political observers believe that Democrats are poised to gain seats in both the House and the Senate, so comments made by the mostly Democratic members who attended the hearing could be a harbinger of things to come.
Yup, that's just what it is. Miller and McDermott will be back in January.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 10/26/2008 09:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Baghdad Jim McDermott and George Miller (D- Communist) should've waited til after the election to roll this pile of shit out. McCain and Palin could drive this one across the finish line if they play hardball , letting every 401K owner know about the Donk plans to steal their money
Posted by: Frank G || 10/26/2008 9:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Ditto Frank. "Spread the wealth YOUR 401K around."

All this talk from the left about "work projects and money for infrastructure, roads, bridges, etc." It's a cover story for urban, midnight basketball. The government has never been part of the solution, only a part of the problem.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 10:02 Comments || Top||

#3  With the collapse of Detroit, the UAW and the grossly underfunded public employee pension programs will push to throw their numbers into a revised Social Security system that is nothing less than a full nationalization of all private pension funds. Since the Donk clients have little or nothing to bring into the scheme they have to raid everyone else's holdings.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/26/2008 10:17 Comments || Top||

#4  They've definately got their bloody eyes on the 401K and IRA prize. The unfortunate reality is, as they crawl towards their prey, folks will begin backing out. Payroll deposits from those still working will beging to be throttled back or suspended. Heaving everyone's victuals into the tribal pot will only destroy what little incentive remains.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Fine.

The next day I will go to my boss and tell him I am a contractor, do not withhold SS taxes, and I will reconcile them in my tax return.

1) his ends your employer's SS contribution and reporting requirements.

2) This will end the fed's intake of about half of SS taxes if enough people do it.

Now take my 401K!
Posted by: badanov || 10/26/2008 10:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Not to worry. 401K's, minus any tax breaks, will continue to be allowed. However, any Roth conversion penalties already paid will be ignored, in the interest of fairness to others. Sorry.

For the forseeable future, citizens will continue to be permitted to hold cash and equities.

Refundable tax credits for credit card accounts are also being considered.
Posted by: KBK || 10/26/2008 10:38 Comments || Top||

#7  With an Obama victory 'believed' to be in sight by some, the democratic egalitarian agenda, leftests and socialists are now bolding out of the closet. What conservatives have known for decades is now been broadcast openly.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 10:42 Comments || Top||

#8  If this happens I wonder how many people will "change their name to John Galt"
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/26/2008 10:47 Comments || Top||

#9  He does not deserve to win witnessing the terrible campaign he has run.

Must be cause we're told so by Obama's Sockpuppets the media, which still throttles the information flow. Oh, and the hundreds of millions of dollars from unknown sources that overflow the media pipes for the One.

It's not about 'Him', its about us. Those who have a need for 'Him' are no more different than those who have a need for the 'One'. Indifferent leadership, yep. That's still no excuse for those who proclaim they want to resist socialism to give up. We who wish to preserve that which is the embodiment of America are out to win and therefore we are the ones who have to do the work.

Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/26/2008 11:56 Comments || Top||

#10  "Why McCain hasn't turned this into a campaign ad yet I don't know ..."
Nine days to go. They may be packaging this into a devastating final attack. At least I hope so.
Posted by: Darrell || 10/26/2008 12:31 Comments || Top||

#11  It won't take the socialists long to spend the $3 trillion and then come after IRAs.
Posted by: ed || 10/26/2008 13:19 Comments || Top||

#12  I they take mine there WILL be repercussions.
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/26/2008 13:49 Comments || Top||

#13  That she's from the 'New School' is all you need to know.

Actually, it's the "Social Research" that's a dead give-away. That's code for "communist", or at least far-left Socialist. When the revolution happens, there's going to be a bloodbath, with such people the major contributors. Our colleges and universities are hostile territory, not part of the time-honored, constitutionally-governed United States of America.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/26/2008 14:23 Comments || Top||

#14  This is not bailout the middle-class this is screw it too the middle class. Thanks, but NO THANKS to government controlled retirement plans. It ridiculous to think that we want the illuminati government to take more money out of pocket so they can spend it on other people. Another example of spread the wealth.
Posted by: Ulusock Bluetooth9068 || 10/26/2008 16:22 Comments || Top||

#15  Remember Social Security is basically bankrupt. The bailout we witnessed recently is the tip of the sh*tberg. We are bankrupt, or under impossible debt.

This little 401k number is the beginning of the effort to abolish independent finance, at least retirement. The dems want everyone to be dependent upon government. You can lead them around like sheep. Total control. Socialist paradise. Carbon credits for everyone. This whole dem thing is madness.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/26/2008 16:38 Comments || Top||

#16  > We are bankrupt, or under impossible debt.

Who's we tonto. It's the government's debt, and it will fall with it's default.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/26/2008 17:54 Comments || Top||

#17  But we've got money enough in the dem coffers to fly the Obama jet to visit granny Tutu in Hawaii.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/26/2008 18:16 Comments || Top||

#18  A lot of my 401 k has gone down the $hitter in the last year. I guess the rest will go down the $hitter with the donks. Is there no end to the sucking sound coming from Washington. Somehow this does not make me feel more patriotic as Biden has said we should.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/26/2008 18:37 Comments || Top||

#19  Ima thinkin that taxation with representation by seedy politicians should be put into the category of organized crime.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/26/2008 18:42 Comments || Top||

#20  or the government waging economic war on its citizens?
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/26/2008 19:06 Comments || Top||

#21  "Why McCain hasn't turned this into a campaign ad yet I don't know,,"
Radio spots today during the NASCAR race talked about'spread the wealth' and liberals in general, but could have done more. Pitch person for one was Hank Jr., So that will likely make an impact on any of those 'bitter, gun toting' folks. his words. Nice, but nowhere near strong enough. I think he's toast.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/26/2008 19:26 Comments || Top||

#22  I voted absentee today (military). My vote for McCain wasn't for McCain - I voted AGAINST dear leader Chairman Maobama.

McCain has run a horrible campaign - Ayers, Wright, Rezko, no birth cert - all fair game if played right. He's a joke but at least he went to bat for the country (way above & beyond) at some point in his life un-like that p.o.s. Maobama.

Start fucking w/people's 401Ks and there will be blood.

Posted by: Daffy Phash5086 aka Broadhead6 || 10/26/2008 19:43 Comments || Top||

#23  I'm also disappointed by McCain's Senate fratboy attitude. There is so much damaging material out there about Obama and every one of lifelong associates, who all could fit right in the Khmer Rouge politburo. Shown on TV ads, in their own words, it would absolutely murder the Dem's campaign. And not a peep from Maverick or his fratboys.
Posted by: ed || 10/26/2008 19:57 Comments || Top||



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