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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Federal Report on the Death of Jeffrey Epstein is Rife With Evidence of Foul Play
Long. Herewith, the overview:
[JustFactsDaily] OVERVIEW
More than 20 years after a woman named Maria Farmer first reported Jeffrey Epstein and his associates to the FBI in 1996 for molesting children, the federal government finally arrested Epstein in 2019 for “sex trafficking of minors.” Only five weeks later, this uber-wealthy financier with hordes of friends in high places was dead.

In the weeks leading up to Epstein’s death, an array of people predicted that unless Epstein was heavily guarded in prison, he would likely be killed to keep him silent. Several first-hand witnesses had implicated powerful people in Epstein’s child sex crimes, and journalists had reported that Epstein “belonged to intelligence” and was likely engaged in sexual blackmail, a tactic of intelligence agencies like the FBI and CIA.

Despite those suspicious circumstances, dozens of media outlets are reporting there’s no evidence of foul play in Epstein’s death based on a recent report by the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Justice—Obama appointee Michael Horowitz. ABC News, for example, claims the report proves “Epstein died by suicide” and “foul play was not possible.”

In reality, the Horowitz Report presents more than a dozen facts consistent with the conclusion that Epstein died of a coerced and abetted suicide. Combined with corroborating primary sources like court filings, it is clear that federal officials repeatedly endangered Epstein’s life and systematically mishandled evidence that could incriminate others in his death and sex crimes.

The facts—documented below with photos and more than 100 quotes primarily from the Horowitz Report and other government and legal documents—show that the following events took place:

  • Federal prison officials placed Epstein in a cell with a murderous, hulking ex-cop, a death trap for any child molester.

  • Less than two weeks later, prison guards found Epstein in the middle of the night in a semiconscious state with a rope and “friction marks” around his neck.

  • Despite a court order requiring the prison to preserve video surveillance footage near Epstein’s cell during the strangulation, federal prison officials failed to do so and also lost the backup due to “technical errors.”

  • Federal prison officials took Epstein off “suicide watch” just one day after the strangulation without determining whether Epstein was attacked by his cellmate or tried to commit suicide.

  • One day before Epstein’s death, federal prison officials removed his new cellmate and didn’t replace him. They did this even though a prison psychologist sent an email to over 70 prison staffers stating that Epstein “needs” a cellmate—a common suicide prevention measure.

  • One day before Epstein’s death, a federal court unsealed more than 2,000 pages of lawsuit records that named and implicated wealthy and powerful people in Epstein’s sex crimes, as well as federal officials in covering up the crimes.

  • One day before Epstein’s death, federal prison officials permitted Epstein to make a completely unmonitored phone call in direct violation of prison policy and under patently false pretenses.

  • Federal officers placed a hoard of linens in Epstein’s cell, which is commonly prohibited because they can be used to create nooses.

  • Federal officers left Epstein alone in his cell for nearly eight hours on the night he died—despite the fact that they were required to check on all inmates in his unit “at least twice per hour” and were only 15 feet from Epstein’s cell.

  • Federal officers falsified records to show that they had checked on Epstein, a violation of federal law punishable by up to five years in prison.

  • Federal prosecutors “dismissed all charges pending against” the two officers who falsified the records and “declined” to prosecute others who “falsely certified inmate countslips and round sheets on the day before and the day of Epstein’s death.”

  • Federal prison officials failed to record footage from 9 of the 11 surveillance cameras around Epstein’s cell on the night of his death, including one that showed Epstein’s cell tier and cell door.

  • The FBI agents who searched Epstein’s New York mansion found and then abandoned a sexually explicit trove of photos and CDs labeled with the names of “young” females alongside people other than Epstein. This allowed one of Epstein’s most notorious accomplices to take the evidence and potentially scrub it before giving it to the feds.

  • To this day, the federal government hasn’t revealed the names of the people that were written beside the “young” females on Epstein’s CDs.

While describing Jeffery Epstein as “arguably” one of the “most notorious” federal inmates, the Horowitz Report states that the U.S. Bureau of Prisons “provided” him “with the opportunity to take his own life.”

Nevertheless, the Horowitz team fails to even consider—much less rule out—that Epstein was coerced to commit suicide and that federal officials deliberately allowed it to happen.

The Horowitz team also buries key facts deep within their report and separates related facts from one another, making it difficult to connect the dots. Thus, a read of the executive summary isn’t nearly enough to understand what lurks within the report.

All of this accords with the contention that influential people were complicit in the death and child sex crimes of Epstein and have not been held accountable.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  lot of strange stuff with this guy, even if you accept it was a sucide
Posted by: Herb Johnson6409 || 08/04/2023 7:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Having DC investigate itself, is like having Hitler, Stalin or Mao investigate their own crimes.
Posted by: NN2N1 || 08/04/2023 11:37 Comments || Top||


-Great Cultural Revolution
NPR - The unspoken role of race in the Jan. 6 riot
[NPR 16 August 2022] The Jan. 6 committee has been uncovering what led up to the insurrection, but lurking beneath the hearings is a sometimes unspoken reason — race and the loss of white power.
"Lurking" white power spotted again.
Judge Tanya Chutkan in graphic.

JUANA SUMMERS, HOST:

The January 6 committee hearings painted an elaborate and often damning portrait of former President Donald Trump's role in the insurrection. But race is also playing a central, if sometimes unspoken, role. NPR's Sandhya Dirks has more.

NPR helps identify the problem and it is of course based in institutional racism.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 06:03 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Role of Race" certainly not "unspoken" in the current D.C. based legal proceedings.

Has 'Lawfare' actually become warfare ?

'MAGA' is racism, right ?

Will a Post-Apartheid style 'Truth and Reconciliation' committee be forthcoming? Will atonement be permitted, and at what cost ?

Are Chicago, NYC, D.C., and Los Angeles the Beta Test sites? Is neighborhood business crime the designated transitional engine? Is the removal of law enforcement a key component ?

Must we all leave now ?

Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 6:17 Comments || Top||

#2  The removal of law enforcement is the precursor to a federally controlled national police force. It is a much beloved goal in DC. Right up there with replacement which is spoken/joked about openly. No word on any Hugo Boss contracts, yet.
Posted by: Cesare || 08/04/2023 7:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Cause NPR is racist and view the world through those lenses.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/04/2023 11:51 Comments || Top||

#4  The National Police Force concept is the greatest immediate threat to our remaining liberty (their are plenty of others, but it comes with immediate armed force) . It is the modern version of the SA/SD and all that that implies. It is the strategic centerpiece behind the Soros-led DA strategy of no-bail, no prosecution, racial preference in "prosecutorial discretion". Chaos on the nightly screens is the goal.

The endless MSM/social media coverage of crime and the feel of violence in the urban core's will be the PR basis for a uniformed FBI proposed through Congress. The clueless Karens and moronic millenials will fall for it easily.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 08/04/2023 11:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Systematic racism is embedded in the system so challenging the system is ….

Sorry I tried to think like NPR. I couldn’t do it. No one could be that dumb.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/04/2023 12:07 Comments || Top||

#6  I will sing 'Kill the Boer' when and where I damn well please.

Unspoken

Posted by: mossomo || 08/04/2023 12:42 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Humanity's Ageless Struggle… What Is a Person Worth?
[America Out Loud] Beneath the surface of the oppressive COVID-19 "public health" policies and practices, another phase in the great human struggle emerged and continues to afflict us now. The struggle is nearing the tipping point that could set back humanity to something more dismal and unending than the Dark Ages.

The struggle grows from two distinct and competing answers to the questions, "What is a human being, and what value does each one have?"

THE VIEW THAT WE ARE BEINGS WITH INHERENT AND INVIOLABLE WORTH
One view says that humans are indeed "beings." This means they are fundamentally spiritual in nature and, as individuals, possess inherent and inviolable worth. From this essential worth grows their right to take responsibility for themselves in making the most they can out of life while recognizing and promoting the equal inherent and inviolable value of all humans.

This view is inherent in our biological and social relations. It begins with the love of parents for their children and the love of individual adults for each other. The great strength of humans is rooted in this mutual concern for each other. From earliest times, humans were bound together in extended families that hunted and gathered together and who, together, survived and triumphed over the challenges of life within nature.

However, it took religion to enable humans to see beyond their extended families to believe that all human beings have inherent and inviolable worth. The concept begins to unfold in the Hebrew Bible with the concept that humans are made in the image of God and should treat each other with universal ethics and laws, beginning with the Ten Commandments, and the rudiments of what will become the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would have them treat you. It flowers in the New Testament with the more explicit declaration of the Golden Rule and then the concept — the incredible ideal — that we humans should love one another as God loves us.

This Judeo-Christian inheritance led the Founders of this nation in 1776 to write and sign the Declaration of Independence, finding in God our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. With the ratification of the Constitution in 1789 and the Bill of Rights in 1891, the United States of America came fully into being — the first government ever created for the preservation and advancement of the individual freedom of its citizens. To say that these principles have made America "exceptional" hardly captures the reality that no other nation in history had ever created a government based on the inviolability of individual human rights as expressed in its founding documents.

The War of Independence was essentially a conservative revolution, and it led to a conservative Constitution aimed at implementing the rights that colonists largely enjoyed before King George began taxing them without representation and then sent his troops to enforce submission to his will.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/04/2023 10:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Each is worth the death of Our Savior, an Infinite Being.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/04/2023 12:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Remember the Unborn!
Posted by: Pheasing Spolet2978 || 08/04/2023 15:50 Comments || Top||


Government Corruption
Vivek Ramaswamy Defends Trump, Demands Government Tell the Truth About What's Driving the Prosecutions (VIDEO)
[Gateway] Republican hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy recently posted a video to Twitter in which he defended Trump regarding the latest sham indictment.

He also called out Biden and the White House for lying to the American people and demanded that they come clean about what’s really happening here.

He was broadcasting the video from the courthouse where Trump was being arraigned.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He also called out Biden and the White House for lying to the American people and demanded that they come clean about what’s really happening here.

When hell is frozen over.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 1:54 Comments || Top||


Outrageous: Devon Archer was Given Full Immunity from the DOJ
[Gateway] The reason Devon Archer looks so relaxed during his interview with Congress is because he was given total immunity by the DOJ involving his actions with the Biden gang.

This is simply outrageous.

Last week we uncovered that Hunter Biden was given a sweetheart deal by his father’s corrupt DOJ that would give him total immunity forever regarding his many crimes while his father was Obama’s VP. It was a wink-wink deal between the DOJ and Hunter Biden.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Be sure to enjoy your time off.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 2:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Why do I immediately get the impression the fix is in?
Posted by: NN2N1 || 08/04/2023 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Shirley, this was so he'd be free to testify against Hunter.

Right?
Posted by: Bobby || 08/04/2023 8:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I think they gave him immunity with regard to Biden stuff but not the corruption that currently has him headed for prison.

I don’t think that it involves Hunter as Hunter’s signed deal with the prosecutors gives the 1st some immunity to everything but oozy below the belt type of situations.

There is no way to be sure of what happened with Archer. To me it looks like they arrested him before his testimony for the purposes of being told that he would not be prosecuted for lying to Congress.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/04/2023 12:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Seems counter-productive on the Feeb's part - what's his incentive to not testify if he already has immunity?
Posted by: Mercutio || 08/04/2023 19:16 Comments || Top||


IRS Whistleblower: Additional Potential Witnesses Against the Bidens Are Being Pressured Into Silence
[Townhall] I realize much of political commentary flying around this week is of the 'all Trump, all the time' variety -- and I've offered a few of my own baseline thoughts about the latest indictment, while deferring to legal experts I trust on the matter. The 'news' media spent approximately one day in damage control mode for the Bidens on Monday into Tuesday, spinning and twisting themselves into pretzels. I half joked that the Biden DOJ would inevitably indict Trump again one day after Devon Archer's significant testimony, and then the Biden DOJ did precisely that. Whether this is a series of pure coincidences, or something more political and sinister, it is pretty remarkable how often the wheels of 'justice' just happen to churn forward against the former president immediately after troubling developments arise about the current president:
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is a communications strategy. It is like wagging the dog without missiles.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/04/2023 12:18 Comments || Top||


Media Criticism of 'Sound of Freedom' Now Looking 'Awkward' After What an FBI Operation Just Found
[Townhall] The FBI located 200 victims of sex trafficking in a nationwide enforcement campaign, the agency said Tuesday, which included dozens of minors.

The two-week operation, dubbed "Operation Cross Country," also led to the identification or arrest of 126 suspects of child sexual exploitation and human trafficking and 68 suspects of trafficking, according to a press release.

"Sex traffickers exploit and endanger some of the most vulnerable members of our society and cause their victims unimaginable harm," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement. "This operation, which located 59 actively missing children, builds on the tremendous work the FBI has undertaken over many years to rescue minor victims and arrest those responsible for these unspeakable crimes. We will continue to work with our law enforcement partners across the country to prevent human trafficking; increase detection, investigation, and prosecution of human trafficking crimes; and expand support and services to protect and empower survivors."

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children praised the FBI and their law enforcement partners for their efforts to protect children.

"Behind every statistic, there is a person with dreams, aspirations, and the right to live a life free from child sex trafficking and exploitation. As a society we must work together to ensure the protection, support, and empowerment of those impacted by this heinous crime," said the group's president and CEO, Michelle DeLaune. "Their tireless efforts in combatting crimes against children sends a powerful message that child sexual exploitation will not be tolerated."



Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [15 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is this a growing crack?

Have the FBI big wigs seen the writing on the wall?

Have the DC elite decided to abandon the New Perverted Normal, that comprise< 4% of the US, and the factually exposed Biden Crime Family and DC Swamp?

Has the MSM noticed their steep drop in Viewers & Readers? Have they all reached the point where $$$$ and survivability speaks louder than steering a weird global social political agenda has?

Posted by: NN2N1 || 08/04/2023 7:48 Comments || Top||

#2  ^We wish. True believers are very impervious to silly things like making rational choices.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/04/2023 7:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Ref #1: Like Bill Barr, they are watching the polls and the likelihood of an approaching political change.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/04/2023 8:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Quite certain Media knows it is screening for pederasts, including themselves.

Since Corey Feldman at least.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/04/2023 10:16 Comments || Top||

#5  There’s no way that the aforementioned groups are in any way changing course. They fully believe that they remain in full control and in many ways they are correct. I can only hope that the combined strength of the average citizen will prevail.
Posted by: Remoteman || 08/04/2023 12:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe Garland should arrest Mayorkas. He is building a case against the current border policy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 08/04/2023 12:21 Comments || Top||

#7  #5 Yep, which is why the idea of this or anything else being awkward for the Left is never the case. They have no shame.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 08/04/2023 14:25 Comments || Top||

#8  Pizza, anyone?
Posted by: KBK || 08/04/2023 15:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Pandemonium. Randi had planned
For this moment, and man, was it grand!
"Kinder, Weingarten's free
To be all she can be!
We should probably flee."
[bang bang]
"Banned!"
Posted by: Those Clunk2464 || 08/04/2023 20:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
We should have dropped three bombs
[Don Surber Substack]A response to this week's discussion
Sunday marks the 78th anniversary of the Enola Gay, piloted by Colonel Paul Tibbets, dropped the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. Three days later, we dropped the second atomic bomb on Nagasaki. The Japanese warlords still voted 3-3 on surrendering. Intervention by the emperor ended the war and the Japanese told the allies it planned to surrender, which it did on September 2.

With the new movie Oppenheimer’s debut last month and the end of the teaching of American history in a positive light, lefties have resurrected the argument against using the A-bomb to end World War II.

The Atlantic published the first and perhaps only rebuttal you need to read to this daft argument in December 1946. Written by Karl T. Compton, an atomic physicist and president of MIT, one of the many people involved in the development of these two bombs, the article addressed the argument against the bombings.

Compton wrote, "About a week after V-J Day I was one of a small group of scientists and engineers interrogating an intelligent, well-informed Japanese Army officer in Yokohama. We asked him what, in his opinion, would have been the next major move if the war had continued. He replied: ’You would probably have tried to invade our homeland with a landing operation on Kyushu about November 1. I think the attack would have been made on such and such beaches.’

"’Could you have repelled this landing?’ we asked, and he answered: ’It would have been a very desperate fight, but I do not think we could have stopped you.’

"’What would have happened then?’ we asked.

"He replied: ’We would have kept on fighting until all Japanese were killed, but we would not have been defeated,’ by which he meant that they would not have been disgraced by surrender.

"It is easy now, after the event, to look back and say that Japan was already a beaten nation, and to ask what therefore was the justification for the use of the atomic bomb to kill so many thousands of helpless Japanese in this inhuman way; furthermore, should we not better have kept it to ourselves as a secret weapon for future use, if necessary? This argument has been advanced often, but it seems to me utterly fallacious."

The Japanese would rather die than surrender. They proved this in battle after battle.

The Battle of Iwo Jima began on February 19, 1945. Four days later, six Marines from E Company, 2nd Battalion, 28th Marines raised the flag at Mount Suribachi. The Japanese kept fighting for another month. 18,375 of the 21,060 Japanese soldiers in the battle died — most of them fighting long after those Marine raised our flag. Only three of those Marines left Iwo Jima alive.

Leona Woods, the only woman physicist in the Manhattan Project, was quite proud of her work alongside Enrico Fermi. She hid her first pregnancy in order to keep working. The baby showed no ill-effect, by the way.

Woods was no token and no diversity hire. She said, "My job was to use the expertise I already had to build boron trifluoride counters for detection of the neutron flux in the chain-reacting pile yet to be built. But Fermi gave me also the job of taking notes on his lectures to the crew who would build the chain-reacting pile under the west stands."

The stands refer to the Amos Alonzo Stagg Field that stood empty at the University of Chicago after it dropped football.

For her, the bomb was personal.

She said, "I certainly do recall how I felt when the atomic bombs were used. My brother-in-law was captain of the first minesweeper scheduled into Sasebo Harbor. My brother was a Marine, with a flame thrower, on Okinawa. I’m sure these people would not have lasted in an invasion. It was pretty clear the war would continue, with half a million of our fighting men dead not to say how many Japanese.

"You know and I know that General (Curtis) LeMay firebombed Tokyo and nobody even mentions the slaughter that happened then. They think Nagasaki and Hiroshima were something compared to the firebombing.

"THEY’RE WRONG! I have no regrets. I think we did right, and we couldn’t have done it differently. Yeah, I know it has been suggested the second bomb, Nagasaki, was not necessary. The guys who cry on shoulders. When you are in a war, to the death, I don’t think you stand around and ask, ’Is it right?’"

Pearl Harbor removed that question. The Japanese sneak attack was unprovoked. While it is fashionable among some conservatives these days to say FDR baited Japan, the fact is Japan had no reason to attack. FDR imposed sanctions for very good reasons. History calls one of those reasons the Rape of Nanking.

Australia’s Pacific War site reported, "The Japanese were infuriated by the strength of Chinese resistance, and when China's Nationalist capital Nanking fell in December 1937, Japanese troops immediately slaughtered thousands of Chinese soldiers who had surrendered to them. The Japanese then rounded up about twenty thousand young Chinese men and transported them in trucks outside the city walls where they were killed in a massive slaughter. Japanese troops were then encouraged by their officers to loot Nanking, and slaughter and rape the Chinese population of the city.

"For six weeks, life for the Chinese in Nanking became a nightmare. Bands of drunken Japanese soldiers roamed the city, murdering, raping, looting, and burning at whim. Chinese civilians who were stopped on the street, and found to possess nothing of value, were immediately killed. At least twenty thousand Chinese women were raped in Nanking during the first four weeks of the Japanese occupation, and many were mutilated and killed when the Japanese troops were finished with them.

"The Japanese troops were encouraged by their officers to invent ever more horrible ways to slaughter the Chinese population of the city. When the bodies of murdered Chinese choked the streets and the gutters ran red with their blood, the Japanese were forced to refine their methods of slaughter in the interest of preventing the spread of disease. Batches of Chinese civilians were rounded up and herded into slaughter pits. Here the grinning Japanese soldiers would either bury them alive, hack them to death with their swords, use them for bayonet practice, or pour petrol on the victims and burn them alive. The bodies of thousands of victims of the slaughter were dumped into the Yangtze River until the river was red with their blood. After looting Nanking of anything of value, the Japanese started fires that gutted one third of the city."

This was not disinformation or propaganda. Nor was Japan using 200,000 captured women as prostitutes for their soldiers.

After Pearl Harbor, the Japanese turned to committing atrocities against American troops. There was the Bataan Death March — a totally unnecessary 100-mile march that resulted the death of half the American POWs. The follow up was the Sandakan Death March.

Bombing Japan into surrender was the only option. Harry S. Truman considered the bombing to be his biggest achievement as president and rightly so. He had survived as a field artillery officer that meatgrinder we now call World War I.

Truman wrote a letter to Compton in response to that Atlantic article.

The president said, "Your statement in the Atlantic Monthly is a fair analysis of the situation except that the final decision had to be made by the President, and was made after a complete survey of the whole situation had been made. The conclusions reached were substantially those set out in your article.

"The Japanese were given fair warning, and were offered the terms which they finally accepted, well in advance of the dropping of the bomb. I imagine the bomb caused them to accept the terms."

The only reason we did not drop three bombs is that we did not have a third one.

We do now.

To the rest of the world, I say don’t want none, don’t start none.
Posted by: Frank G || 08/04/2023 08:58 || Comments || Link || [21 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nanking? Deep in the darkest part of the memory hole is the Massacre of Manila. It's been put there by the usual Marxist 'historians' cause it cuts in the hysteria over the bombs. That was the American territory of the Philippines which was already scheduled prior to Dec '41 for independence.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/04/2023 11:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Another memory hole victim: The Imperial Japanese Unit 731 [wiki]: "Unit 731 was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that engaged in lethal human experimentation and biological weapons manufacturing during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) and World War II. The unit is estimated to have killed between 200,000 and 300,000 people." If they could have they would have killed more, many more.
Posted by: magpie || 08/04/2023 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Gerard Vanderluen (RIP) had a recurring post about wild stuff in Japanese culture: "The Japanese. Nuked too much or not enough?"
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/04/2023 12:30 Comments || Top||

#4  #2 I believe Fauci's CDC and NIH have been using that as a template.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/04/2023 13:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Unfortunately, we didn't have a third bomb.
With the Trinity test, and two dropped in Japan, the estimate was likely three months before another was ready.
Posted by: ed in texas || 08/04/2023 13:13 Comments || Top||

#6  ...The 2nd Marine Division was - with all honor and respect to the other services - quite likely the toughest and most battle-hardened unit in US service at the time. It would have gone in with the first wave of OLYMPIC.

And the casualty estimates, declassified years later, expected 2MARDIV to be utterly combat ineffective by D+10. The survivors would have been split up as replacements for other units.

And Dr. Compton mentions something that the US military in general tried to ignore (And General MacArthur and his staff refused to even acknowledge) - that the Japanese turned out to have a very good idea of where we were going to land. They weren't stupid; they knew what kind of terrain was required for an amphibious landing and they knew beaches like that were few and far between in Japan. All their forces were concentrated on those beaches, and it would have been awful. MacArthur also refused to have any airborne divisions involved...because he simply didn't like them.

Also forgotten is that FDR may have turned down the use of gas, but Harry Truman wasn't going to. And even if the first two bombs hadn't worked, the plan was to use EIGHT MORE BOMBS during the assault on Tokyo.

More lived were saved by the damned things than were ever lost.

Mike
Posted by: MikeKozlowski || 08/04/2023 14:43 Comments || Top||

#7  /\ I remember reading 5-to-6 months before the next nuclear weapon was shipped and delivered to Saipan/Tinian and a pipeline producing another weapon every 3-to-4 months thereafter. Saipan is a long way from Oak Ridge...
Posted by: magpie || 08/04/2023 14:48 Comments || Top||

#8  The bombs, plus MacArthur's stewardship, saved millions of lives, stopped the Soviets from enslaving half the island for fifty years and made Japan our BEST ally in the world today.
Posted by: Regular joe || 08/04/2023 15:56 Comments || Top||

#9  my wife's father was on duty as the radioman on the USS Maryland on December 7th. Stayed below decks for hours until the water rose so high the radio equipment was about to be submerged.

Then was aboard a different Navy ships during the battle of Quadalcanal and Okinawa.

His ship, the Pasadena by then, was slated to take part in the assault on mainland Japan. They all KNEW their chances of surviving would be slim, having experienced the Kamikaze attacks off Okinawa.

When the news came to them of the dropping of the atomic bombs, EVERY man on the Pasadena wept...they knew their lives had been spared.

My father-in-law then got to witness the surrender in Tokyo harbor...through binoculars from the Pasadena.

I'm so proud of that man...since deceased.

p.s. the Navy arranged for us to scatter his ashes as close as possible to the mooring site of the Maryland on December 7th. The Missouri is moored there now, so they literally took us right up to the hull of the Missouri in a launch, and we scattered his ashes there. He has a plaque at Punchbowl cemetery, over which my brother-in-law blew taps...during which everyone in sight stopped and bowed their heads.

My wife is alive because the bombs were dropped...and thus my kids and grandkids. God bless the decision to do so!!
Posted by: Boss Slomogum9954 || 08/04/2023 15:58 Comments || Top||

#10  I used to be ambivalent about nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then I read a book called Downfall by Richard B. Frank.
1. Many more Japanese civilians were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities.
2. Many, many civilians were being trained to resist the invasion. Civilian casualties would have been tremendous.
3. If the nukes hadn't worked, the next step would have been bombing the railroad bridges that brought food to the cities. This would have caused mass starvation.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 08/04/2023 16:21 Comments || Top||

#11  There is an excellent British series called World at War. At the very end of the episode Japan, they have Japanese newsreel film of Japanese school girls practicing drill with knifes at the end of bamboo sticks.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/04/2023 17:59 Comments || Top||

#12  Japanese school girls...

Anybody remember the roadside 'coke' kids in Vietnam? They would use safety razors on bamboo poles against the passing open top jeeps.
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/04/2023 20:06 Comments || Top||



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