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Afghanistan
Coalition 'retakes Taleban towns'
US-led and Afghan forces say they have retaken two Taleban-held towns in the southern Afghan province of Helmand. Taleban fighters had seized the areas of Garmser and Naway-i-Barakazayi earlier in the week. Two Afghan soldiers were slightly hurt in the operation, the US-led coalition said. There have also been reports that many locals have fled the area.

General Rahmatullah Roufi, an Afghan army commander, told the Associated Press that hundreds of troops had battled Taleban fighters before entering Garmser on Tuesday. "Our troops launched an attack on Garmser and thank God we captured it," he said. The operation in Garmser followed a similar operation to retake the town of Naway-i-Barakazayi.

US military spokesman Lt Col Paul Fitzpatrick said Afghan and coalition forces "skirmished" with Taleban fighters outside Garmser but met no resistance once inside. "The Taleban appears to be bullying their way around some of the smaller towns in remote areas, but they have no capability to lay claim to any piece of ground," he said. The two towns are both a few miles west of Lashkar Gah, where the British military operation centre is based.

The US-led coalition has said a massive military operation has seriously disrupted Taleban fighters in southern Afghanistan, particularly in the districts of Sangin, Musa Qala and Baghran in Helmand province. "Afghan and coalition forces in the last week have killed numerous lower and mid-level commanders that the senior Taleban leadership rely on to intimidate villages, threaten elders and lead small bands of extremists to conduct attacks on Afghan and coalition forces," a statement on Tuesday said.

The statement also confirmed that a coalition soldier had died on Monday in neighbouring Uruzgan province. The nationality of the dead soldier has not yet been released. The troops came under fire after destroying a truck that militants were loading in Tarin Kowt district. Eleven other soldiers were wounded, the coalition said.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 08:57 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [324 views] Top|| File under:

#1  so much for the "Summer Offensive"
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 9:53 Comments || Top||

#2  You can bet that the Taliban will be temporarily seizing other towns as much as they can. This is the closest thing they have ever done to having a success, if not a victory.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 11:07 Comments || Top||


Extremists Prematurely Detonate IED (I love stories like this)
KABUL , Afghanistan – Three extremists, who were visiting the compound of Mullah Zeino Bodeen, prematurely detonated an improvised explosive device on July 16 while they were working on the device. The explosion killed the Mullah and injured the three extremists.
They should have used more explosives, being such dedicated followers of the Religion of Pieces.
The compound is located seven kilometers north of Salerno in Khowst Province.

Afghan National Police and Afghan Border Patrol searched the compound and are continuing to search the surrounding area for the three injured extremists. “These extremists place no value on human life and continue to threaten the safety of the Afghan people,” said Col. Thomas Collins, Coalition spokesman.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/19/2006 00:21 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [279 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mullah Zeino Bodeen? He's the distant cousin of Jethro Bodine (american spelling)
Posted by: Penguin || 07/19/2006 0:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Ouch! that hurt like hell and left a mark!!

Mullah Zeino Bodeen

status: Dead
Posted by: Mullah Me Dead Now || 07/19/2006 1:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Bwaahahahahaha! It is sweet when the bad guys do a number on themselves. No wasted bullets.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/19/2006 1:49 Comments || Top||

#4  "OK, all ya have to do is hit autodial on this cell phone and she'll blow"
"Ya mean like this?"
"Not now, you idiot! Run!"

Meanwhile, the mullah, hearing a phone ringing, comes out and...
Posted by: PBMcL || 07/19/2006 1:51 Comments || Top||

#5  “These extremists place no value on human life and continue to threaten the safety of the Afghan people,” said Col. Thomas Collins, Coalition spokesman.
Posted by:Glenmore


I'll drink to that! What will you have Helen? Oh just get me a Tom Collins.

Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 5:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Hey, with enemy like this, who needs a war?
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/19/2006 6:40 Comments || Top||

#7  You know, there is no rule that only the extremists have suicide bombers. Maybe we have moderate suicide bombers going after the extremist. Maybe these guys got thier target. At least make them think about it.
Posted by: plainslow || 07/19/2006 8:33 Comments || Top||

#8  No virgins for you!
Posted by: The Paradise Nzai || 07/19/2006 8:53 Comments || Top||

#9  One more mess up like this and al-OSHA will close this place down.
Posted by: Mike || 07/19/2006 9:44 Comments || Top||

#10  The best part about this post is that the 3 numbskulls got away with only injuries... hopefully to repeat their same mistake with the next Mullah with a help wanted ad.
Posted by: bool || 07/19/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Blow'd up real good!
Posted by: Xbalanke || 07/19/2006 11:46 Comments || Top||

#12  Darwinuakbar!
Posted by: radrh8r || 07/19/2006 18:56 Comments || Top||


High school torched, tribal elder shot dead
Brave Lions of Islam™ strike again.
SHARAN/ GHAZNI CITY, July 17 (Pajhwok Afghan News): A high school was set ablaze overnight while two people were killed in separate incidents in south and southeastern province, security officials said on Monday.

Unidentified gunmen overnight torched Marjan High School in Wazakhwa district of the southeastern Paktika province. Provincial Governor Dr Akram Khpalwak told Pajhwok Afghan News two classrooms, stationary and furniture were gutted in the overnight attack. He blamed enemies of the country, a euphemism used for Taliban for the incident. He said militants had lost sting to encounter government forces and were thus carrying such assaults. Security officials had launched massive operations to hunt down the culprits but had arrested none so far.

In Sabri district of the southeastern Khost province, one man was killed and 13 more injured, when unidentified gunmen overnight hurled a hand grenade at a wedding ceremony. Crimes branch chief of Khost police headquarters Col Yaqub told this news agency that one civilian was killed and 13 others suffered injuries in the attack.

However, Mohammad Wali, a doctor at Khost civil hospital said they had received 22 injured and some others were shifted to private clinics. He said two of the wounded were in critical condition. Razi Khan, an injured, said: "We were present at the ceremony and it was about 9:30pm when the incident occurred." He said perhaps Taliban were involved in the incident as they had much influence in the area.

Separately, a tribal elder was gunned down and a civilian sustained injuries when a group of tribal elders and civilians came under attack in Aabband district of the southern Ghazni province.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [311 views] Top|| File under:


Pakistani militants accused of taking over Afghan town
KABUL: Afghanistan’s deputy interior minister accused Pakistani militants of overrunning a southern Afghan town, which hundreds of Afghan troops, backed by coalition forces, are readying to wrest back. Helmand province’s deputy governor said 300 to 400 Afghan soldiers were heading to the southern town of Garmser, near the Pakistani border, which officials said was taken by Taliban forces on Sunday. “Our soldiers are going to Garmser with the support of the coalition to take it back from the Taliban,” said Amir Mohammed Akhunzada, the deputy governor.

In Kabul, Deputy Interior Minister Abdul Malik Sidiqi accused Pakistan-based Islamic groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam of taking over Garmser. Sidiqi said a second Helmand town that had been overrun by militants - Naway-i-Barakzayi - was reclaimed by government forces late on Monday. Meanwhile, Taliban militants vowed to intensify their insurgency with fresh attacks and suicide bombings. “During these operations which will begin today or tomorrow, we’ll take most of the districts in southern and south-central Afghanistan,” purported Taliban spokesman Mohammad Hanif said.

Earlier on Tuesday, the US military said a massive anti-insurgent operation being waged in southern Afghanistan has “seriously disrupted” the Taliban network there, particularly in the northern Helmand districts of Sangin, Musa Qala and Baghran.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [448 views] Top|| File under:


Africa Horn
Ethiopia Prepared to Invade Somalia
Ethiopia is prepared to invade neighboring Somalia to defend its U.N.-backed government against what appeared to be an imminent attack by Islamic militiamen, a government spokesman said Wednesday. The militiamen, who hold most of southern Somalia, deployed hundreds of fighters outside the town where the largely powerless government is based and said they planned to seize it.

'We have the responsibility to defend the border and the Somali government. We will crush them,' Ethiopia's Minister of Information, Berhan Hailu, told The Associated Press. Seizing the town of Baidoa would give the Islamic militia - which the United States has linked to al-Qaida - the uncontested authority over most of Somalia.

Somali transitional President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed is allied with Ethiopia, and has asked for its support. Ethiopia has intervened militarily in Somalia in the past, and hundreds of Ethiopian troops have been spotted along the countries' border in recent weeks. The Somali Islamist militants are allied with Muslim separatists in the Oromo region of Ethiopia.
Which explains Ethiopia's desire to "nip it in the bud"
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 17:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [281 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you're ever going to do it, I guess it's best to do it when it seems like the rest of the world isn't paying attention to Somalia.

Thought this was interesting, from:

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/eastafrica/abyssinia181596.html

"It should be noted that Ethiopia was one of only two African countries, which managed to avoid being taken by a colonial power during the Scramble for Africa."
Posted by: Jules || 07/19/2006 17:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Nip it! Nip it! Nip it!
Posted by: Ole Barn || 07/19/2006 17:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Yes, "The time is now".
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I highly doubt that the Ethiopians are going to be overly gentle with them, both regarding Somalis as dogs in the first place, and Moslems as eaters of dogs in the second.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 19:18 Comments || Top||

#5  As long as WWIII is breaking out I guess they might as well jump in...
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/19/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||

#6  Torture? What would Senator Lindsey Graham do?
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 21:29 Comments || Top||


Somali Militia Plans to Seize Gov't Base
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) -- The Islamic militiamen holding most of southern Somalia deployed hundreds of fighters outside the base of the U.N.-backed interim government Wednesday and said they planned to seize it. Seizing Baidoa would make the Islamic militia - which the United States has linked to al-Qaida - the uncontested authority over most of the country. The interim government was on high alert and ready to defend itself from an attack, Deputy Information Minister Salad Ali Jelle told The Associated Press.

"Nothing will stop us from going into Baidoa," said Sheik Muqtar Robow, deputy defense chief for the Islamic group. He said more than 130 fighters who were loyal to President Abdullahi Yusuf had defected to the Islamists' side.

The interim government already was virtually powerless and barely able to control Baidoa, 150 miles northwest of the capital. "It could be the beginning of a full-out war," said Omar Jamal, executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in St. Paul, Minn. A Cabinet minister in the interim government was reported Tuesday to be recruiting militiamen to bolster the government and the deployment outside Baidoa appeared to be a pre-emptive strike.

Relations between the government and the Islamic militiamen already were strained after the government accused the Islamic group of planning to attack Baidoa, receiving help from foreign terrorists and massacring government supporters during recent fighting in Mogadishu. The government had refused to meet the Islamic group in peace talks set for July 15 in neighboring Sudan, although it appeared to reverse course Monday under pressure from foreign governments pushing for a unified Somali administration. The status of the talks was thrown into uncertainty by Wednesday's deployment.

A recent recruiting video issued by militia members shows foreign militants fighting alongside the local extremists in Mogadishu, and invites Muslims from around the world to join in their "holy jihad." Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed, a leader of the group, claimed the tape was fabricated by the United States. Somalia has had no real government since the overthrow of a dictator in 1991.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 12:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [294 views] Top|| File under:


Islamists disarm another militia in the capital
(SomaliNet) The powerful Islamic courts continue to disarm the remaining militias in the capital in peaceful means and they officially confiscated on Tuesday the weapons of militia loyal to already Islamic court in Waberi district of Banadir province. The chairman of Maka Al-Mukarama Islamic court Sheikh Mohamud Jimale told today the local media they decided that 24 militiamen of the court with their weapons should be handed over council of Islamic courts after talks with top leaders of Islamists. “We have accepted let our militia with their weapons join the united Islamic court and we did that for serving the public,” Sheikh Jimcale said referring to the sole rule of Islamic courts.

Maka Al-Mukarama Islamic court has been operating the Parmuda village in Waberi district to prevent the crimes and it was the Islamic court which ruled the execution of a man who was alleged to murder a Koranic school teacher May 2, 2006. He was stabbed to death in Public Square. That was very shocking story in the capital for several days.

Sheikh Mukhtar Robow known as ‘Abu-Mansur’, the deputy security official of the Islamic courts who addressed the occasion of handing over the weapons of Maka Al-Mukarama Islamic court said this is an appreciable step forward and thanked the local official as leading men. The militiamen joined the Islamic court will be offered a rehabilitation training sooner, Islamic officials said.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [307 views] Top|| File under:


Islamists arrest movie goers in Mogadishu
(SomaliNet) Islamic militiamen raided tonight a cinema in Sinai village of eastern Mogadishu, arresting several people who were watching film following earlier warning from Islamists on seeing movies – a step that Islamic courts to banning all public entertainments in the capital. The chairman of the Sinai Islamic court which is in the council of Islamic courts Sheikh Dahir Sheikh Farah confirmed on late Tuesday that they have arrested nine people who were in act of viewing very taboo film that is forbidden according to Sharia law. “Our troops have stormed a cinema where young people watching emotionally a sexy film and they were all taken to prison,” Sheikh Farah said adding “we have already issued a warning on seeing movies in this district. "

All the detained people were young including one woman and they are in the custody. Sheikh Farah said we had told all the residents that we could not tolerate all evil actions and sins like watching movies, songs in the wedding parts and so on.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [308 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if smiling is allowed.
Posted by: spugsy || 07/19/2006 0:08 Comments || Top||

#2  To all Muslims: Sharia Law coming to a theater near you.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/19/2006 0:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Sharia: That nagging feeling that someone, somewhere is having a better time than you are.
Posted by: badanov || 07/19/2006 0:39 Comments || Top||

#4  ROFL, badanov! Master Snark Level, LOL.
Posted by: flyover || 07/19/2006 0:57 Comments || Top||

#5  But nope, they're not like al-Qaeda, anyone can see that, nope, nope ...
Posted by: Steve White || 07/19/2006 1:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Diane Feinstein wants Bush to send Bill Clinton as a peace negotiator to the Middle East. I recommend sending him to Mogadishu to finish the job he started and screwed up.

"could not tolerate all evil actions sins like watching movies [sic] and so on."

I learned something new, Sharia Law is open ended and subject to change at a moments notice.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 07/19/2006 1:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Jeez, the Islamic Court in Mogadishu makes the Puritans look like a party at the Playboy Mansion.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 3:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Here's one African country Angelina and Brad won't be visiting soon.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 07/19/2006 11:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Teenagers arrested for going to a movie . . . think about it. Terrifying and unbelievable.
Posted by: ex-lib || 07/19/2006 11:24 Comments || Top||

#10  "Last month, in Somalia central town of Dhusamareb, Islamic militiamen killed two people,

one of them was the young owner of video center

and the other was a woman who was shot dead while she was taking part in a protest against closure of cinema by Islamic Courts."

At our house it's an argument about WHICH movie to go see on the weekend. Sheesh.
Posted by: ex-lib || 07/19/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#11  Sharia: That nagging feeling that someone, somewhere is having a better time than you are

Badanov, I have that feeling every New Year's Eve, but it's only rarely that I get out my automatic weapons in response.
Posted by: Seafarious || 07/19/2006 11:32 Comments || Top||

#12  Whahahahahahaaa
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 11:46 Comments || Top||

#13  How's the Sheikh know the movie was sexy if he aint seen it? Just wonderin'.
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 07/19/2006 14:44 Comments || Top||

#14  I'd comment about peewee al-herman but I can't get googlefish to translate (salami slapping) correctly.
Posted by: flash91 || 07/19/2006 16:31 Comments || Top||


Somali pirates free captives
Pirates in Somalia who kidnapped about 20 seamen in March have released them, according to official reports. The kidnapped Filipinos were on their way home, officials for the Philippines said Monday. Roy Cimatu, the government's special envoy to the Middle East, said that the men had been freed on Saturday. He said that it was not clear whether any ransom had been paid. The men were seized after their oil tanker, the United Arab Emirates-registered MT LIN1, unloaded its cargo at a port in southern Somalia on March 29, the Philippine foreign affairs department said. Cimatu said the owners of the ship, who were not identified, negotiated for the release of the men. No other details were provided.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [408 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
Guns, jihad books found in Ottawa home of accused terrorist
Police discovered guns, ammunition, electrical components and books on terrorism and jihad during a raid on the Ottawa home of accused terrorist Momin Khawaja, a British court was told Tuesday. The prosecution evidence emerged at the London trial of seven British men charged with conspiring to bomb sites in and around London, including nightclubs, trains and a major shopping centre.

British authorities allege Khawaja, 27, played a "vital role" in the suspected plot by making remote-controlled detonators to be used to explode bombs constructed from 600 kilograms of ammonium nitrate fertilizer the group allegedly acquired. Though he is named as a conspirator in the case, Khawaja has not been charged by British authorities with any crime. Instead, he is to stand trial in Ottawa in January as the first person charged under Canada's Anti-terrorism Act.

The London trial, which began in February, is offering a preview of the federal government's case against Khawaja, in custody in an Ottawa jail since his March 2004 arrest. He denies any involvement in the alleged terror plot, as do the seven London defendants. Crown prosecutor Mark Heywood told the Old Bailey trial Tuesday that when RCMP officers raided the home of Khawaja and his family on March 29, 2004, they found three rifles under Khawaja's bed along with dozens of rounds of ammunition. It is unclear whether the rifles were registered.

Police seized several books, he said, including: Terrorism and Self Sufficiency, Defence of The Muslim Lands, The Religion And Doctrine of Jihad, CIA Special Operations and Equipment, The Art of War, On Guerrilla Warfare and an unspecified military manual. Also seized was a combat knife, several boxes of electronic equipment Khawaja is a computer and software expert and some hobby rocket equipment, including a small launcher.

Earlier in the trial, prosecutor David Waters told the 12-member jury RCMP officers also found a cellphone jammer in Khawaja's home, a lawful and commercially available device that prevents cellphones from working in the immediate area in a hospital, for example. "Khawaja had it no doubt as part of his development of a more sophisticated and portable jamming device which could be carried by the bomber," to prevent a stray cellphone signal from prematurely triggering a bomb, Waters testified.

He said Khawaja visited some of the defendants in London for a few days in February 2004, allegedly to inform them of his progress in Canada with making the remote-controlled detonators. Previous e-mails from Khawaja, court heard, expressed his concern at smuggling the devices with him on his flight to London.
Instead, prosecutors say Khawaja took some of the men to an Internet cafe in Crawley, about an hour south of London, and showed them an image of one of his remote-controlled detonators, which he supposedly told them had a two-kilometre range.

British police alerted Canadian authorities, who started watching Khawaja as he stepped off an Air Canada flight in Toronto on Feb. 22, 2004.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:59 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [286 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In CANADA!
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 11:20 Comments || Top||

#2  And they must have his computer, too, which means his address book... Roll 'em up, RCMP -- happy hunting!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 12:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Be sure to ck his cellie, freinds and family, etc.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 12:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes, police are more motivated now that they see the terrorists want to murder Canadians and Brits instead of just the usual Jews and Americans.
Posted by: Odysseus || 07/19/2006 12:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Especially now that the police don't have to fight the government as well as the bad guys.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 14:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Some collect baseball cards, antiques, while others....
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Terrorist manuals in this home are no problem for the Canadians - to each terrorist his own and all that.

But he had GUNS! (Unregistered, no doubt.)

For that, they'll throw the book at him.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/19/2006 16:11 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Kyrgyz Special Forces Arrest Uzbek Terrorist Suspects
Kyrgyz security forces have arrested five men accused of participating in organizing unrest in the Uzbek town of Andizhan last year, officials said on Wednesday. According to the Reuters news agency, Uzbekistan has already pressured impoverished neighbor Kyrgyzstan to extradite refugees who it says are Islamic terrorists responsible for the Andizhan violence. Human rights groups say Uzbekistan uses the threat of militant Islam as an excuse to clamp down on dissent.

On Wednesday, Kyrgyzstan’s SNB security service said the five men had confessed to being members of a group that the Uzbek authorities blame for the unrest. “Five Uzbek citizens have been detained in (Kyrgyzstan’s southern town of) Osh. They confessed that they are members of Akromiya and that they were linked to the Andizhan events,” said an SNB officer responsible for media contacts.

In May 2005, witnesses in Andizhan estimated troops killed hundreds when they fired on a large crowd of people who had gathered in the center of town near a government building that had been seized by armed men. The unrest was prompted by the jailbreak of 23 Muslim businessmen who were on trial in Andizhan for religious extremism and accused of creating Akromiya, which the authorities say is an extremist sect.

Uzbekistan denies its troops killed civilians in Andizhan. It claims that 187 people died there when security forces moved against foreign-financed “terrorists” whose aim was to overthrow the government and establish an Islamic caliphate.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 09:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [282 views] Top|| File under:


13 militants lay down arms in Chechnya - Kadyrov
(Interfax) - Militants from the Doku Umarov criminal armed group are ready to lay down their arms, Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov told the Chechen Interior Ministry's senior officials. "As a result of the work we have done, 13 militants taking direct orders from Umarov have announced they are ready to surrender," he said. "Doku Umarov is known as the militants' devil," said Kadyrov.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [301 views] Top|| File under:


11 Russians Troops Killed in Chechnya
11 Russian kafirs (infidels) were annihilated by Mujahideen on July 15 in diversion attacks and shootings on invaders' positions in Jokhar, the Chechen capital, and Nozhai Yurt district in the south of Chechnya, told a spokesman of Military Council of CRI Majlisul Shura State Defense Committee to Kavkaz Center. 2 kafirs were gunned down in Zavodsky district of Jokhar. The Mujahideen ambushed an invaders' patrol in the industrial area of the city, reports the spokesman. 4 kafirs were exterminated in a short firefight in the area of village Beti Mokhck. 1 kafir was killed in a diversion attack near village Dargo. The Russian from a "reconnnaissance unit" was blasted on a mine, reports the spokesman. 4 other kafirs were terminated in a shooting on foreign military convoy on the Dagestan border, several miles fron village Ghilyany. The spokesman gave no detals about the firefight. It is only known that one Mujahid was wounded.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [310 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fred,
You should probably use the salt picture (the one we use for Debka) with this "source" since the salafis are even less reliable than Debka.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 07/19/2006 16:55 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
North Korea launches wartime alert
North Korea has launched a wartime alert, putting its armed forces and nationals in a state of a war mobilization, an unconfirmed news report said here Wednesday. Kim Jong-Il, head of the communist country, issued an order to that effect hours before the United Nations Security Council unanimously condemned North Korea's missile tests last week, said the Joongang daily, quoting an unnamed government source. North Korean soldiers on leave were told to return to their barracks, camouflage nettings were being draped on military vehicles and weapons, and people were prohibited from entering the countryside, the source said.
Posted by: DanNY || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Look at me! Look at ME!

I'm an attention whore!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/19/2006 0:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Guess the Enterprise moving into town, kinda got his attention!
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 0:34 Comments || Top||

#3  What is it with these tinhorn dictators? The moment we shift our view to someone else, they throw a hissy fit, demanding to be the center of our attention. Also, Kimmy Boy better be careful : we may have 140000 or so troops committed to the ME, but that still leaves most of the US Army, Marines, Navy, and Air Force free to inflict grevious bodily injury when and where necessary.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 3:03 Comments || Top||

#4  I recently read an assesment of estimated casualties from an invasion by NKOR. It was something like 500,000 in just a few days. Would that not warrant a nuclear deterrent of our own? Our nukes are proven and our missiles are very reliable, their guidance systems super accurate. If we launched, it would hit and explode. He hasn't even proved he has nukes, just the shit to make them.
Posted by: Flolunter Clemp1012 || 07/19/2006 8:21 Comments || Top||

#5  He sooo ronery.
Posted by: newc || 07/19/2006 8:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Launch an alert?? Most countries would Issue an alert. I have to wonder if it was as effective as his missle launch.
Posted by: DonM || 07/19/2006 10:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Who they planning to attack, I wonder?
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 11:04 Comments || Top||

#8  The Sea of Japan. Apparently Kim finds it pretty threatening. :-)
Posted by: Throluger Croling6954 || 07/19/2006 11:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Sounds like he's creating the fiction of an outside threat in order to keep everyone in his little fifedom in line.

You gotta wonder what some of the soldiers think when they hear how propserous S. Korea is. I mean they have FOOD! They have [non-militant] music! TV! iPods! Internet!

They can't block all the news from outside. Wasn't there a bit about smuggled phones, CD players, etc.. awhile back?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/19/2006 11:34 Comments || Top||

#10  The worst source of outside news is the Chinese-Korean trade along the border with China. Lots of cheap junk from NorKor gets taken north to China and traded for food, medicine, clothing, and the like. Plus when people come back, they talk about what China is like. Also the NorKors are having problems keeping Chinese cellphones out of North Korea, and people are able to get info using them especially the ones with Chinese Internet access.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 12:49 Comments || Top||

#11  Aa Kimmy demurs, wishing for the days where he clicked glasses with MADam Albright.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 14:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Maybe Kimmie has a valid reason for going on Alert. The Chicom repo man is coming for his Chicom trains that Kimmie abscounded with.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Nikolaevsk, Alaska || 07/19/2006 15:01 Comments || Top||

#13  How do the Norks use cellphones - surely there aren't that many masts in North Korea?
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/19/2006 15:13 Comments || Top||

#14  Does this mean he's keeping the Chinese trains?
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 15:15 Comments || Top||

#15  Send in Alec Baldwin to negotiate!
Posted by: usmc6743 || 07/19/2006 15:51 Comments || Top||

#16  The masts and service are in China near the NK border. Kimmie, in a fit of paranoia, shut off all NK cell phone service (such as it was).
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 16:06 Comments || Top||


Europe
Convicted Greek Terror Group Head Paroled
A convicted member of Greece's November 17 terrorist group was paroled from a maximum-security prison Wednesday after serving half of his eight-year sentence, authorities said.
Divide by 2, that's 4 years
Nikos Papanastasiou was allegedly one of the founding members of the far-left militant group blamed for killing 23 people in shootings and bombings between 1975 and 2000.

Victims included U.S., British and Turkish diplomats and military officers. The group's first action was the 1975 assassination of CIA station chief Richard Welch.
He's still dead, I believe
Fifteen convicted members of the group are appealing sentences ranging from eight years to multiple life terms, following their conviction in 2003. Two suspects acquitted earlier are also on trial at the special appeals court after a prosecutor challenged that ruling, as allowed under Greek law.

Papanastasiou, 53, was found guilty on charges of participation in a terrorist group. He was jailed in 2002, and granted parole after serving half his sentence and enrolling in prison employment. His early release was not related to the appeals trial.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 17:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

#1  4 years, huh?

Hell, why not kill your enemies for 4 years.
Posted by: Chamble Omeager4377 || 07/19/2006 18:32 Comments || Top||

#2  "Victims included U.S., British and Turkish diplomats and military officers. The group's first action was the 1975 assassination of CIA station chief Richard Welch."

I am surprised he got eight years. He must have killed a Greek in the process. And four years off in lieu of a medal.
Posted by: Fordesque || 07/19/2006 20:46 Comments || Top||

#3  we need to wetwork this asshole
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 21:45 Comments || Top||

#4  And the folks who released him early.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 22:05 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Harper to aid evacuation
PARIS (CP) - Prime Minister Stephen Harper is flying to Cyprus where he intends to take up to 120 evacuees from Lebanon home to Canada on his Canadian Forces plane. It's a start. Apparently there are over 40,000 dual Canadian Lebanese citizens travelling/living in Lebanon. Who knew? Not known is how many of those are also card carrying Hezbollah

Harper announced the surprise side trip on his week-long European diplomatic tour after a meeting with French President Jacques Chirac at the Elysee Palace on Wednesday afternoon.

"Because of the seriousness of the situation and our relative proximity to Cyprus, we have decided to take the Canadian Forces aircraft we have been travelling on to help airlift evacuees back home," Harper said in a statement. "The aircraft will be stripped down to a skeleton staff."

Media travelling with the prime minister have been bumped to commercial flights for their return home to Canada. Reporters booted for refugees! WTF.

Only Harper's wife, Laureen, a couple of his communications staff and his official photographer, will join him on the 3 1/2-hour flight to Cyprus where the first boatload of Canadian evacuees from Beirut was expected to arrive in the port of Larnaca sometime on Wednesday.
Posted by: john || 07/19/2006 14:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [294 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, this is gonna open up a can of worms! Forget that he is still in the area, (the MSM will) but I give it maybe 5 hours before there are cries of why Bush hasn't already been there, and not landing in Beirut even if the runways were bombed to pieces. And getting those refugees on board Air Force One and besides, we even have a backup for Air Force One.

Which reporter will be the first with the screams?
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 15:13 Comments || Top||

#2 
Hope that his bag screeners have had their coffee.
Posted by: Master of Obvious || 07/19/2006 15:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Canadian reporter embedding at work!
Posted by: USN, ret. || 07/19/2006 15:46 Comments || Top||

#4  "The aircraft will be stripped down to a skeleton staff."


Graphic PLEASE! I know you've got a great one.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 15:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Why not collect just the passports? Harper surely can get all 40,000 passports and fly them, all at once, to safety on his plane.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 16:01 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Airport Arrests on North Shore
Customs officials have detained two people, a man and a woman, who had attempted to board a mid-morning flight bound for Toronto from Greater Rochester International Airport this morning. The two individuals, believed to be Sri Lankans, had obtained forged or stolen documents and were not allowed to board the flight, said David Damelio, acting director of aviation for Monroe County. The flight took off, but came back so that U.S. Customs could obtain and evaluate the detained individuals' luggage.

R News Investigators say customs agents detained two passengers who tried to board the plane before takeoff using suspicious passports. Shortly after the plane left, it was discovered that a bag belonging to one of those detainees was on board. When one of the people made a questionable remark about the bag, authorities ordered the plane to return to Rochester.

Once back at the airport, Monroe County Sheriff's deputies provided perimeter security as customs and border agents investigated the incident.
Posted by: Croluper Thromose5810 || 07/19/2006 14:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Trying to sneak out through one of the smaller airports, hmm? Rochester folk look to Buffalo, NY as their big city, and Buffalo's airport can be walked in ten minutes, end to end. (Of course, the arrestees detainees could have stolen information from Xerox or Kodak -- Kodak has a large division dealing just with Dept. of Defence contracts.)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 16:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Latest info is that they are Sri Lanken. I wonder about Tamil connections.
During a routine check of passenger information, Customs and Border Protection officers apparently identified two Sri Lankans carrying Canadian passports that were suspected to be fake, Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke said.

Authorities placed the pair in custody for questioning, during which the woman became upset, began complaining of chest pains and indicated she needed her bag, which had already been loaded onto the flight, Knocke said.

“There was a significant language barrier with the passengers, and the male is believed to have made a confusing remark about a possible suicide bomb,” Knocke said.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/19/2006 16:52 Comments || Top||


Briton Charged in Online Terrorism Case
NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) - A British man was indicted Wednesday on charges he helped run terrorism fundraising Web sites, set up terrorists with temporary housing in England and possessed a classified U.S. Navy document revealing troop movements. Syed Talha Ahsan was arrested at his home in London on a federal indictment in Connecticut charging him with conspiracy to support terrorists and conspiracy to kill or injure people abroad.

Ahsan is accused in the same case as Babar Ahmad, a British computer specialist who was indicted in Connecticut in October 2004. Both are accused of running several Web sites including Azzam.com, which investigators say was used to recruit members for the al-Qaida network, Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime and Chechen rebels. Prosecutors allege that from 1998 until at least 2002, Ahsan and Ahmad operated Web sites encouraging people to donate money or equipment. The sites allegedly operated in Connecticut, Nevada, Britain, Ireland and Malaysia. U.S. prosecutors said Ahsan helped terrorists find temporary residence in London and shuttled them into Afghanistan and Chechnya to participate in ``jihad.''

A few months before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Ahsan allegedly possessed classified documents discussing a U.S. Navy battle group's movements and vulnerability to attack. The existence of that document became public with Ahmad's arrest in 2004 but authorities have not said how it was obtained. The battle group was not attacked.

A spokesman for Connecticut U.S. Attorney Kevin O'Connor said Ahsan was being held without bail in England. Extradition papers were being prepared, officials said. Ahmad has been fighting extradition to the United States for nearly two years.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 13:49 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [286 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah, yes! A Briton!
Clive? Nigel? Trevor?
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 14:07 Comments || Top||

#2  BBC?
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 14:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Congrats Bits. This is the kind of useless shitbag that has to be taken down and eliminated. All enablers must be eliminated.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 07/19/2006 16:34 Comments || Top||

#4  "Prosecutors allege that from 1998 until at least 2002, Ahsan and Ahmad operated Web sites encouraging people to donate money or equipment. The sites allegedly operated in Connecticut, Nevada, Britain, Ireland and Malaysia."

I wonder if they are Ned Lamont supporters.
Posted by: Fordesque || 07/19/2006 20:51 Comments || Top||


The Bomb in Lake Pontchartrain
July 19, 2006: The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is still investigating a recent incident in which a large pipe bomb was found floating in Lake Pontchartrain, north of New Orleans. The device was examined, it was definitely a floating bomb, and was detonated while still on the water. While not a large explosive device, it reminded everyone at DHS that a major terrorist threat is the destruction of one of the railroad bridges over the Mississippi river. These bridges carry a major amount of freight traffic, and the loss of even one of them (if only for a few weeks, while being repaired) would have a noticeable effect on the economy. Al Qaeda knows about this, thus counter-terrorism officials are trying to found out who made the Lake Pontchartrain bomb. That's because this device had all the hallmarks of a test, for a larger bomb capable of dropping one of the nearby Mississippi river bridges.
I searched Google and Ask news and couldn't find any mention of this incident. Anyone else have any details?
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [303 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Haven't seen anything here. Could have been just a piece of July 4 fireworks that didn't go off maybe.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe someone was 'fishing' and misplaced their 'lure'.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Carbide and dynamite fishing are popular among certain groups - saves on the time involved. Of course, it is illegal as all hell.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#4  If it floats then it must be PVC or similar and meant to be purely concussive.
Posted by: Wheasing Phaimp7918 || 07/19/2006 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Well obviously it was one of the bombs used to breach the levy and flood New Orleans.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 11:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Yup Anonymoose that was what I was thinking when I read the headline. :))
Posted by: djohn66 || 07/19/2006 11:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Carbide and dynamite fishing are popular among certain groups - saves on the time involved. Of course, it is illegal as all hell.

And when da game warden was through saying that, Boudreaux went and lit another stick of dynamite, handed it to the game warden and said "Do you wanna talk or do you wanna fish?"
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 07/19/2006 11:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Gives a whole new meaning to the term "floater."
Posted by: Xbalanke || 07/19/2006 11:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Al Qaeda knows about this, thus counter-terrorism officials are trying to found out who made the Lake Pontchartrain bomb.

Question that SHOULD be asked is ... who make Lake Pontchartrain!
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 11:51 Comments || Top||

#10  Hahahah SnowPerson. Beat me to it.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 12:14 Comments || Top||

#11  DuPont spinner, gets fish, gah-ron-teed. Wooo Weee.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Nikolaevsk, Alaska || 07/19/2006 15:04 Comments || Top||

#12  My nephew, who works in a national chain store in Mandeville, reported to his dad that a man of Middle Eastern descent recently purchased 25 prepaid, disposable, cell phones , for cash. He thought it fairly odd and reported it to the local sheriff's office; they treated him as if he was a nut. Seems fishy to me.
Posted by: Fantod || 07/19/2006 20:02 Comments || Top||

#13  Suggest that your nephew call the FBI and Homeland Security, too, Fantod. The local guys aren't necessarily as aware of these things as we are here.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 21:10 Comments || Top||

#14  Sheriff Strain's not averse to 'profiling', and does not run a PC, touchy-feely office, so I am kind of surprised he would ignore such a report.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/19/2006 21:20 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Pakistani militant arrested over Shiite leader’s death
KARACHI -Pakistani police arrested an activist from a banned Sunni Muslim group in connection with a suicide attack in Karachi last week that killed a rival Shiite cleric, police said on Wednesday. Arshad Khan, from the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi extremist outfit, was seized on Tuesday in a raid in Hyderabad, 170 kilometers (105 miles) north of Karachi, officials said. A Kalashnikov rifle and a hand grenade were also found. “We are interrogating him to know whether he has links or involvement in the killing of Hassan Turabi,” Mazhar Mashwani, an investigator in the criminal investigation department, told AFP.

Shiite religious leader Turabi and his young nephew were killed when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the cleric’s house in Karachi on July 14, sparking riots by enraged supporters. Turabi was the Sindh province president of Shiite party Islami Tehrik. His party is a member of the country’s main alliance of religious parties, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal.

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, with suspected links to Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda network, is among the fiercest militant groups in Pakistan and has been blamed for dozens of attacks on Shiites. The group has also been linked to the 2002 murder of US reporter Daniel Pearl and two failed attempts in 2003 on the life of President Pervez Musharraf, who is a key ally in the US-led “war on terror”.
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One killed in gun battle near famed Kashmir shrine
Suspected Islamist militants fired at a police patrol near Kashmir's holiest Muslim shrine on Wednesday, killing a policeman. "The shootout took place outside the Hazratbal shrine premises where security forces have cordoned off the area and a search operation is going on," a police official said.

Hazratbal, on the shores of Dal lake in the heart of Srinagar, the troubled Himalayan region's summer capital, houses what many in the Muslim-majority community believe to be a hair from the beard of the Prophet Mohammad.
Posted by: ryuge || 07/19/2006 06:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [275 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wow! The way my hairs falling out there'd be shrines all over New England. Give me a break!
Posted by: Rightwing || 07/19/2006 10:23 Comments || Top||


Group claiming Mumbai bombs issues new threat
The little known Islamist group Lashkar-e-Qahhar said it would provide audio and visual proof that it carried out the Mumbai train bombings, which killed 207 people. In an email to an Indian TV station yesterday, the group also warned that it was planning attacks against government sites in India.

Lashkar-e-Qahhar said 16 people took part in the attacks and one of them was killed. Indian police were trying to establish the credibility of the email. Investigators believe the group may be a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, an Islamist group based in Pakistan that has fought Indian rule in Kashmir.
A front? Ya think?


Indian Police Say Group's E-Mail a Hoax
Indian police said Wednesday that an e-mail claiming responsibility for the Bombay train bombings was a hoax. A little-known Islamic militant group had purported to take credit for the July 11 attacks on the city's commuter rail network, which killed 207 people.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [279 views] Top|| File under:


Police officer's wife, daughter wounded in blast
QUETTA: A homemade bomb exploded near a police officer's home in Balochistan early on Tuesday, wounding the officer's wife and a daughter, an official said. The police wireless control officer, whose home was targeted by the bomb, escaped unhurt in the explosion in Mastung, a town about 50 kilometres south of Quetta, area police officer Hamid Shakil said. The explosion toppled the gate of the policeman's home and his wife and a 9-year-old daughter were hit and wounded by debris and shrapnel from the bomb. There was no word on the condition of the victims. Shakil blamed renegade Baloch tribesmen for the bombing, but he did not offer any evidence.
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Two Bugti army commanders surrender
QUETTA: Two of Nawab Akbar Bugti's commanders and some 280 of their supporters surrendered to the government on Tuesday and promised to aid government efforts to develop the province. "Ghulam Hussain Hijrani Bugti, one of the top commanders of Nawab Bugti's army, laid down his arms before the Dera Bugti district coordination officer, Abdul Samad Lasi, at Kalpar House" an official told Daily Times, adding that Ghulam Hussain now believed Nawab Bugti was waging a war against the state for his own vested interests. Hijrani said that he would support the government in its plans to develop the infrastructure of the backward tribal areas of Balochistan.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [289 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looking for Ferd Merkel Bughti to sow up any second.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 8:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Hi Ferd!
Posted by: Sparkle Farkle || 07/19/2006 19:18 Comments || Top||


100 Afghans arrested from seminaries
Police arrested around 100 Afghan nationals on Tuesday during a campaign against Afghans living in Balochistan illegally. Most of the Afghans were arrested from seminaries. A police source told Daily Times that the police had gleaned information about Afghans living illegally in Balochistan from Taliban leader Hamidullah who was arrested on Monday. He said the police had registered cases against the Afghans under the Foreigners Act and moved them to an undisclosed place for investigation.

"The police conducted raids in Kuchlak, Pashtoonabad, Khurotabad, Nawan Qili, Almu Chowak and Sariab areas. More than 200 Afghans living in Balochistan illegally have been arrested so far," said another source. On the other hand, Afghan settlers in Quetta have criticised the raids and accused the government of causing problems to people who had come to Pakistan because of unavoidable circumstances in their country. "It is wrong to arrest every Afghan citizen and register a case under the Foreigners Act," said an Afghan national. However, government officials say that the campaign against people living illegally in Balochistan would continue because they were the main source of terrorism in the province.

Something going on. From KUNA:

Over 188 Afghan refugees, Taliban guerillas arrested in Pakistan
(KUNA) -- Pakistani security forces in a crackdown, launched last week, have nabbed over 188 Afghan refugees and Taliban guerillas including four wanted commanders, said an official on Tuesday. Forces acting on credible intelligence reports conducted raids in Nuwann Kulli and Pushtun Abad areas of Quetta, the capital of Southwest Baluchistan province, said Salman Syed, the city police chief, while talking to KUNA. He said four wanted former Taliban commanders were also arrested in the crack down. He added that important documents and satellite telephones were also recovered from them.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [448 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perv takin heat from India
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  He's cleaning out Baluchistan, which is adjacent to Iran, on the other side. The Pak army has apparently gotten strong enough to take over that enclave and make it fully Pak government controlled. This in turn gives Pak the full control of the Baluch mineral wealth, and security for their new deep water port.

The remaining bad Baluchs are probably fleeing to Iranian Baluchistan, and will cut up rough there.

This is going to be a major boost to Perv.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 0:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Pak army has apparently gotten strong enough to take over that enclave and make it fully Pak government controlled.

thats rich!
Posted by: Mullah Me Dead Now || 07/19/2006 1:39 Comments || Top||


Cop involved in death of Qaeda operative killed
KHAR: Suspected militants killed a tribal policeman who had been involved in a gun battle that killed a senior Al Qaeda operative earlier this year, officials said. "Unidentified terrorists" opened fire on the officer, Mohammed Tariq, as he boarded a minibus, killing him, according to Tariq Hassan, a government official in Khar, the main town in Bajaur Agency where the attack happened. The assailants fled.

In April, Tariq had taken part in a shootout near Khar, when security forces killed Marwan Hadid al-Suri, 38, who was suspected to be a close aide to Ayman al-Zawahri. Al-Suri was also believed to be a leader of the terror group's operations in Waziristan and across the border in eastern Afghanistan.
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Lashkar-e-Qahar warns of blasts in Delhi, Mumbai
Lashkar-e-Qahar, the terrorist group that claimed responsibility for the Mumbai train bombings, warned on Tuesday that it was planning attacks against government and historic sites in India in an e-mail to a news television station. Lashkar-e-Qahar said in the e-mail that 16 people took part in the July 11 attacks in Mumbai, and that one of them was killed. But "all the remaining 15 mujahideens are totally safe, and celebrating the success of this mission and also preparing for the next mission," the e-mail said.

"We also request all the Muslim brothers and sisters not to go near the main historical, governmental and the monumental places of India (especially in Delhi and Mumbai) in future," the e-mail said. "Otherwise, they get hurt too."

The train bombings killed 207 people and injured hundreds more. Investigators believe the group may be a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba.
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International-UN-NGOs
UN sees possible Mideast war crimes
UNITED Nations human rights chief Louise Arbour said today the scale of killing in Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian territories could involve war crimes.

Expressing grave concern at the killing and maiming of civilians in the region, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said international humanitarian law was clear on the need to protect non-combatants.

"This obligation is also expressed in international criminal law, which defines war crimes and crimes against humanity," she said in a statement.

"The scale of the killings in the region, and their predictability, could engage the personal criminal responsibility of those involved, particularly those in a position of command and control," she said without pointing the finger at anyone in particular.

Ms Arbour, a former Canadian Supreme Court judge and war crimes prosecutor, said the "indiscriminate shelling" of cities and the bombing of sites where innocent civilians would inevitably suffer were both unacceptable.
Posted by: tipper || 07/19/2006 18:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [754 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Ms Arbour, a former Canadian Supreme Court judge and war crimes prosecutor, said the "indiscriminate shelling" of cities and the bombing of sites where innocent civilians would inevitably suffer were both unacceptable.


Note they only start talking about war crimes when the Israelis start shooting back. So long as indiscriminate fire is headed towards the Israelis, these assholes don't care.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/19/2006 19:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't forget:

To the U.N. All Terrorists are Peaceloving Civilians...
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/19/2006 19:09 Comments || Top||

#3  The UN suspects that the Israelis may actually be intending to *hurt* Hezbollah people, which is in contravention of UN rule #347593473-A, that clearly states "No hurting people."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 19:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Weezie again. Oy. I never heard of "international humanitarian law, and I was an international law adviser. Law of war, yes, LOAC, yes, MOOTW, yes, but never this IHL business. I finally figured out that "muzzbats" (LOL, credit to Whineter Gloger7385) use the term as code for whatever they *would like* int'l law to prohibit, i.e., harm to their side. As y'all correctly observe, they only start whining when Israel starts shooting back.

Israel is, of course, following all the rules, just like we do: hitting miitary objectives, using proportionate force, and doing their damndest to discriminate between combatants and civilians. The fact that civilians happen to die as the result of their being used as human shields, or in collateral damage despite every effort to avoid it, is *not* a war crime. It is war, war is hell, and war is what Hizb'allah wanted.

On the contrary, it's evidence of one more of the many war crimes committed by Hizb'allah (using civilians as human shields). In fact, I have difficulty pointing to something they've done that isn't a war crime.
Posted by: exJAG || 07/19/2006 19:41 Comments || Top||

#5  I never heard of "international humanitarian law, and I was an international law adviser.

Thank you. I thought they were making it up on the fly.!
Posted by: J. D. Lux || 07/19/2006 19:46 Comments || Top||

#6  The UN is a crime against humanity. Imagine all the needless suffering that would end if we just hanged the lot of them.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 19:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Where's Cujo Annan? Is he driving a new car?
Posted by: mrp || 07/19/2006 19:57 Comments || Top||

#8  In fact, I have difficulty pointing to something they've done that isn't a war crime.

Breathe?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/19/2006 20:04 Comments || Top||

#9  ...she said without pointing the finger at anyone in particular.

C'mon, Louise. Say it. You know you want to. Don't hold it in. We know your thinking it. So go ahead and let it out...
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 20:05 Comments || Top||

#10  As far as I've been able to determine, "international humanitarian law" means

1. the Hague and Geneva Conventions (which are the meat & potatoes of what is properly called the law of war);

2. a bunch of UN treaties that either (a) the US is not a signatory to or (b) have not been ratified by enough countries to enter into force; and

3. anything else on the tranzi wish list that promotes leftist/Islamist goals, usually prejudicial to the lives of Americans and Israelis.

The very concept of "IHL" is propaganda, because it suggests that states are legally bound to never kill civilians under any circumstances, so if they do it's a war crime. Terrorists are not state actors, of course, so they're exempt. It also implies that certain treaties that would empower terrorists, such as GC Protocol I, are binding law, when they are no more than a diplomat's fart.
Posted by: exJAG || 07/19/2006 20:06 Comments || Top||

#11  Get rid of the UN. It is a cancer that needs removed.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/19/2006 20:17 Comments || Top||

#12  And 3 million dead Sudanese don't raise a whisper because they are not Arab muslims. Indict Ms. Arbour for complicity in genocide.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 20:17 Comments || Top||

#13  I assume they're talking about the UN forces guarding the Blue zone between Lebanon and Israel which allowed the initial attacks and the kidnapping of soldiers. Well I can dream.
Posted by: SSET || 07/19/2006 20:20 Comments || Top||

#14  //a cancer that needs removed.
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war krime
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/19/2006 20:37 Comments || Top||

#15  The UN force was designed to be ineffective.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 23:58 Comments || Top||

#16  How about shooting hundreds of unguided rockets into civilian areas? That also is a war crime,how about kidnapping civilians,war crime too, but the UN isn't interested in that. Every death from those rockets has been a civilian. They are full of shit at the UN and it does my heart good to see them marginalized to the point of being invisible.
Posted by: Crerelet Flamp6464 || 07/20/2006 0:01 Comments || Top||

#17  ""indiscriminate shelling" of cities and the bombing of sites where innocent civilians would inevitably suffer were both unacceptable."

Hizballah is guilty of the above statement, not Israel, therefore no realistic case. Surely, the former judge meant Hizballah in the above statement. Riiiight!

Also, exJAG brings puts the nail in the coffin with the statement "US is not a signatory", neither is Israel. The UN Human Rights Commission is just a cover for anti-West hatred.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 07/20/2006 0:09 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Prepare for onslaught in Iraq? Troubling Signs.
from Iraq the Model

A few days ago we mentioned that we tend to believe that this ongoing war in Lebanon is not only about Hizbollah and Israel; that it is probably the first stage of a wider regional conflict that is going to extend far beyond the borders of Lebanon and Israel.

What I want to add today is that it is not wise to try to deal with it in the same way previous conflicts were dealt with, why?
Because this conflict is not like any of the previous ones.

What we must realize here is the involvement of the theological (mythological) element in this particular conflict which is also the reason why this conflict has the potential to expand into full-scale regional war.

It is true that religion had always been playing a central role in the numerous chapters of the conflict between the Muslims and the West but this time there's a totally different theological belief that is being used by Iran to provoke and direct this war; I think the best way to say it is that we are about to see Iran launch the mullahs' version of an 'Armageddon'.

I know this may sound absurd and maybe some of you are thinking no one could possibly be thinking that way but remember, I am telling you what extremist theocrats seem to be planning for and logic has very little space in the mullahs' way of thinking.

I'm not going to claim I know exactly what Hizbollah's or Hamas's hidden motives are because I don't live there but I know about those of the regime in Iran and its arm in Iraq; both Ahmedinejad and Sadr are devout believers in the 'Savior Imam' of Shia Islam who is the 12th grandson of prophet Mohammed, also known by the name 'Imam Mehdi' hence the name of Sadr's militias 'the Mehdi Army'.
I must point out though that some factions of Sunni Islam also believe in the rise of the Imam but they have their own different version of the story.

Both Ahmedinejad and Sadr believe it is their duty to pave the way and prepare the ground for the rise of the Imam whose rise, according to their branch of Shia Islam, requires certain conditions and a sequence of certain events; the story is too long to discuss in one post so I'll just move on to offer my observations…

We are seeing some signs here that make us think that Iran and its tools in Iraq are trying to provoke the rise of the imam through forcing the signs they believe should be associated with that rise. One of the things that do not feel right is the sudden appearance of new banners and writings on the walls carrying religious messages talking specifically of imam Mehdi. These messages are getting abundant in Baghdad and in particular in the eastern part of the capital where Sadr militias are dominant and a special number can be seen in the area of the interior ministry complex.

The interesting part is that these banners appeared within less than 24 hours after Hizbollah kidnapped the Israeli soldiers. Coincidence?
I don't think so.

The messages on the banners are sort of new too and sound different from the ones we're used to read, I've took photos of two of them that read as follows:

"By renouncing sin and by integration for the sake of afterlife we become the best soldiers to our leader and savior the Mehdi"

and;,

"Everyone gets power from weapons and money but the loyal to the savior get their pride from almighty God"

These are written on white cloth instead of the traditional black, red or green of religious banners.

We pointed out in an earlier post about the organic connections between the tools of Iran in Iraq and Lebanon and how Sadr was following Nesrallah's steps and I won't be exaggerating if I said that Sadr is even using the same structural pattern of Hizbollah for his militia, not to mention that Sadr's "foreign relations bureau" is based in Beirut!

What I'm interested in finding is whether Sadr is going to jump in and join this war and whether Iran's agenda is going to include creating more chaos in the "Arab" depth to keep Tehran safe…

Threatening with such wide-spread chaos is embarrassing to the world and especially to America and Europe and will probably move the latter powers to try to contain the crisis and prevent it from taking a wider scope than it occupies now and I'm afraid this could make the world look for symptomatic treatments instead of cures.

Those banners above represent an ominous sign and I'd like to say again that one should prepare for the worst from the very unstable mixture of religion and policy.

I went to a guy who knows quite a lot about this salvation war so to speak and asked him if the texts mention anything about the timing of the war and whether it's supposed to begin before or after the rise of the Imam and the answer was "After" but he added that chaos and rampant violence in the region are supposed to be among the signs and that the main battle would be "lead by the Imam himself".

The thing is that we can't be sure that they are going to play by book because throughout the Islamic history rulers employed what people consider divine texts to remain in power and make people obey them; and they did this either by twisting the texts through slanted interpretations or by making up the text as in adding thousands of texts that were claimed to be the sayings of the prophet.
Here we're most likely going to see a new maneuver and I expect that the "imminent" arrival of the Imam is going to be announced through the Mumahidoon (those who pave the way for the Imam) and that's what Sadr and followers describe themselves and that's the word they use for a title of their website. That's if they didn't claim they were receiving messages from the Imam via a messenger.

All previous wars between Israel and Arabs were of a pan-nationalist nature and used feelings of Arabism to push the people to war. Of course religion had a role too but now religion is going to push Arabism aside and be the dominant element in Iran's planned war because of the failure of pan-nationalism to retain its influence in the region after a long history of failures.

Iran's dreams in exporting the Islamic revolution were stopped by the once strong pan-nationalism in last quarter of the 20th century but today we're facing a renewed project of exporting the Islamic revolution in an attempt to fill (and take advantage of) the vacuum left by the fading pan Arab nationalism…
And with liberalism still not strong enough to face such a challenge, I think the future of the region is in big danger.
Posted by: DanNY || 07/19/2006 19:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [385 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No suprise that Sadr is in on this. We made a huge mistake leaving that goat f-cker alive.

But if Iran's Mr. Apocalypse wants to start a regional war he's going to have to hurry. In 2 weeks there won't be much of Hizballah left.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 20:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Goodness, gorb, you ask a little question about Ahmedinejab's beliefs and get the answer all the way from Iraq (via NY, but who are we to question the ways of Providence). ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 21:15 Comments || Top||

#3  There is a reason why AhMad wanted to put off his final answer on the nuke proposal until 22 August.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 21:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Been many years, but maybe, a new reading of Revelations might need to go on the reading list.

That August 22 date keeps arising -- Note: that August 22 of this year corresponds with the Islamic date of Rajab 28, the day Saladin conquered and entered Jerusalem.

Iraq the Model's troubling signs, well, he knows more than I do. Troubling. But I trust those 135,000 guys and gals and their leaders, that are standing watch nearby. I've even convinced a couple of folks, this is the real reason we are in Iraq.

Reading between the lines of some military folks, Balad is a great depot and launching post. Ready to handle major combat.

That saying of revenge is best served cold, well, I know my Marine that has a permanent corner he guards in Heaven, thinks that 1979 and 1983, would consider dinners prepared in those days, as now "cold."

My point? Interesting days ahead. Phones at my office have been extremely quiet this week. Maybe it's the summer vacations, but then, maybe folks' attention directed elsewhere.
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 22:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Or Isaiah.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Isa/Isa013.html
Posted by: J. D. Lux || 07/19/2006 22:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Sherry...I had an OCS buddy die in the rubble there in Beirut. I want to see major pain inflicted on the Hezzies...all the way back to their pimps in Tehran. I want payback to be a majo b***h.

I say again...all we have to do to Iran is destroy their gasoline terminals, and refineries. The Iranian people will take care of the black hats and their whores.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/19/2006 23:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Come on Guys dont act dum everybody here at Rantburg or any seasoning knew damm well Sadr/Badr are Iranian Proxies admitidly so even. We all know the Iranians are 12th Mehdi believers ring him in and all. Put two and two together and you get Sadr/Badgr must be handled Pernamentley. If Sadr/Badgr is dum enough to jump first the easier justification will be.

Posted by: C-Low || 07/19/2006 23:53 Comments || Top||


Saddam gets counseling to end hunger strike: US
Should've tossed a grenade in that hole...
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein is receiving psychiatric counseling to convince him to start eating again after 12 days on hunger strike in a U.S. military prison.
Are we fighting a war over there or is this turning into "Oprah Goes To Iraq"?
Saying that the 69-year-old ousted Iraqi president was still refusing food but taking liquid nourishment, a U.S. spokesman said such counseling was part of additional daily medical care for inmates who risked damaging their health by their actions.
And we want him nice and healthy for his execution...
"Medical and mental health professionals counsel the detainees on the dangers," Lieutenant Colonel Keir-Kevin Curry said. "They try to convince the detainees to end their fast."
Why don't you convince them to hang themselves?
Saddam and three co-defendants who last ate on July 7 are all healthy, Curry said.
Oh, good.
A lawyer for Saddam, who is due back in court on Monday, has said his client's health has suffered but that he is determined to pursue the protest until U.S. officials improve protection for defense attorneys and meet other demands on the trial.
Saddam. Look. Doritos! The big bag!
U.S. officials involved with the Iraqi court trying Saddam and seven others for crimes against humanity have said that a defense lawyer killed last month, the third since the trial began, had refused U.S. offers of protection.
Hmmmmmmm? Maybe should've "counseled" him...
The defense team responded to a letter in English from a foreign legal adviser to the court urging them to end a boycott of the proceedings by publishing the letter, describing it as a threat and complaining it should have been written in Arabic.
Can we just shoot the bastard and get this over with?
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 14:50 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [284 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Where's the counseling graphic?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 15:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Threaten him by saying if he doesn't start eating, we will bring Cindy Sheehan and all the other fasting dweebs to stay with him.

Posted by: Penguin || 07/19/2006 15:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Let him starve if he wants to.
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 15:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't want my tax dollars to go towards this! Stick a barbequed steak under his nose and he'll eat! Better yet, put the steak outside his cell just beyond his reach.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 16:26 Comments || Top||

#5  He stays out of court, OK. He comes into court just after having the IV removed, OK. The final phase will be completed, whatever he does. Stunts like this don't gain much traction when the person is universally regarded as a monstrous criminal. Still, a healthy prisoner sitting and seeing the evidence in the Anfal trial would still be best. Ceaucescu treatment would be satisfying, but we'd be hungry a few hours later. Documenting the former regime's crimes will be satisfying and non-fattening, too .....
Posted by: Verlaine in Iraq || 07/19/2006 16:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Ahh Just lie to him. Tell him that if he eats a whole lot maybe when they put the noose on him it wont catch on his neck it will be too fat and just slip off like trying to hang your forehead.
Posted by: C-Low || 07/19/2006 18:28 Comments || Top||


Suicide bomber kills 59 in Iraq
A suicide bomber killed 59 people in a crowded Iraqi market on Tuesday after luring Shi'ite day labourers aboard his minivan with an offer of casual work. The blast in Kufa, near Najaf, was one of the bloodiest attacks of the year and followed a gun and grenade attack on another market on Monday that killed a similar number. Clashes broke out between police and angry crowds demanding better security after the Kufa bomb, which also wounded 132 people in the city south of Baghdad. Police in Kufa were pelted with rocks by angry crowds, many of whom demanded that militias loyal to radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr take over security there.

The explosion, some 50-100 metres from a golden-domed Shi'ite shrine, tore through the minibus shortly after it had pulled out of the market with a group of labourers aboard. "A man driving a KIA van with an Iraqi accent came and said: 'I need labourers'. After the labourers got on and packed the vehicle he blew it up," said witness Nasir Faisal. "Four of my cousins were killed. They were standing beside the van. Their bodies were scattered far and wide by the blast."

Protesters gathered around the blackened mangle of vehicles. Blood-stained clothes lay amid the debris. "We want the Mehdi Army to protect us. We want Moqtada's army to protect us," screamed a woman dressed in a black abaya gown. Others chanted to the police: "You are traitors!" "You are not doing your job!" "American agents!" Police then fired automatic rifles into the air to disperse the crowds and confused scenes ensued. Some civilians, who appeared to be Sadr followers, were seen carrying weapons. A man with a bandage on his head in a Kufa hospital said: "Where are our human rights?"
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [467 views] Top|| File under:


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
23 tons of Bunker Busters ... that had to hurt!
Posted by: Beau || 07/19/2006 17:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [282 views] Top|| File under:


Nosecone Video of Israeli Aerial Attacks on Hezbollah
Posted by: Flomotle Unaique5331 || 07/19/2006 16:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [326 views] Top|| File under:

#1  FoxNews just reported a 3 bomb series dropped on Hez bunker in Beruit.
Total tonnage = 23 tons
1 small
1 large
1 huge huge huge
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 18:07 Comments || Top||

#2  1 small

Punch a hole in the covering structure.

1 large

Clear away the covering structure.

1 huge huge huge

Crush the bunker.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/19/2006 18:24 Comments || Top||

#3  pressure alone in air ducts to the bunker...yikes! Howz that hearing, Nas? I SAID HOWZ THAT HEARING?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 19:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Grrr FOX. There were reports that the US sold Israel 100 5,000 pound GBU-28 is laser-guided bunker busters and 500 BLU-109 2000 pounders. 3 = 7.5 tons max. The GBU-28 will penetrate 100 ft of dirt, 20 ft reenforced concrete.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 20:11 Comments || Top||

#5  From the other stories, sounds like 3 waves of bombs.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 20:34 Comments || Top||


FBI eyes Hizbollah in US
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The FBI is trying to ferret out possible Hizbollah agents in the United States amid concerns that rising U.S.-Iranian tensions could trigger attacks on American soil, FBI officials said.

Relations between Washington and Tehran, which soured after the 1979 Islamic revolution, have deteriorated further recently over Iran's nuclear program and its support for Hizbollah, the militant Islamic group whose capture of two Israeli soldiers last week prompted Israel to launch retaliatory strikes in Lebanon.

American law enforcement officials are concerned the Lebanon-based Hizbollah, which has so far focused on fund-raising and other support activities inside the United States, could turn to violence in solidarity with Iran.

"If the situation escalates, will Hizbollah take the gloves off, so to speak, and attack here in the United States, which they've been reluctant to do until now?" said William Kowalski, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI in Detroit.

Detroit is home to one of the largest Muslim communities in the United States.

"Because of the heightened difficulties surrounding U.S.-Iranian relations, the FBI has increased its focus on Hizbollah," said FBI spokesman Paul Bresson in Washington.

"Those investigations relate particularly to the potential presence of Hizbollah members on U.S. soil."

There is no specific or credible intelligence pointing to an imminent U.S. attack by Hizbollah, which the United States considers a terrorist group, Bresson added.

But Iran's Hizbollah -- which claims links to the Lebanese group -- said on Tuesday it stood ready to attack U.S. and Israeli interests worldwide.

FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters in Toronto that agents were keeping a close eye on Hizbollah, especially "when the international situation heats up."
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 12:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [285 views] Top|| File under:

#1  FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters in Toronto that agents were keeping a close eye on Hizbollah, especially "when the international situation heats up."

I notice it's "when" not "if".
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 07/19/2006 12:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Why do I suspect that the FBI has achieved a rare level of motivation about this one, not seen since their Nazi hunting days?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 13:47 Comments || Top||

#3  But what about the Jimmy Hoffa dig? Where are their priorities?
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 15:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe you could just deputize all of us. I think we know where to look.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 07/19/2006 16:37 Comments || Top||

#5  i just hope bush has passed an executive message to iran stating any attack by hez will be met with bombing of iran; nuke included
Posted by: Omoluper Chert8271 || 07/19/2006 22:03 Comments || Top||


Arutz Sheva - News Briefs
IAF Strikes Hizbullah Bunker in Beirut

(IsraelNN.com) Israeli air force planes bombed a Hizbullah bunker in Beirut this afternoon. The bunker is located in the Dahiya neighborhood of the city, a Shi'ite area known to be housing the headquarters and offices of Hizbullah. Two routes used by Hizbullah terrorists for transport of men and material to the south were also hit. IAF planes also attacked a vehicle into which Hizbullah terrorists retreated after launching several rockets at Israeli territory.

Hizbullah Hits Western Galilee Again

(IsraelNN.com) Another barrage of Katyusha rockets was unleashed against communities in the western Galilee by Hizbullah terrorists a short time ago.
There are no reports of injuries at this time.

Two Children Killed in Katyusha Attack in Nazareth

(IsraelNN.com) Two children, ages eight and ten years old, were killed in the Katyusha rocket attacks on the city of Nazareth a short time ago. Twelve people suffered light injuries. The injured were evacuated to the English and Italian hospitals located in the city.

Katyusha Attacks Continue: Kiryat Shemona, Tiberias, Nazareth, Afula

(IsraelNN.com) Hizbullah terrorists fired a series of Katyusha barrages at targets in Israel over the last half-hour. The areas hit were Tiberias, Kiryat Shemona, Yesod Hamaalah, Nazareth and Upper Nazareth, Tel Hai, and Afula.

In Nazareth, police report that there were several injuries. In the area of Kiryat Shemona, 12 rockets fell, with two others striking the area of Yesod Hamaalah. Cases of shock were reported by local emergency services.

Intelligence Sources: Hizbullah Directing Some PA Terror Attacks

(IsraelNN.com) According to Israeli intelligence agencies, the Lebanese Hizbullah organization is helping to direct and fund some planned Islamic Jihad and Fatah terrorist attacks inside Israeli cities, in the hope of opening a third front in the current Arab assault on the Jewish State. Security services have many warnings of efforts by the two Palestinian Authority-based groups to carry out terrorist attacks in Jewish population centers at this time.

The Islamic Jihad, like Hizbullah, is known to be supported by Iran; while Fatah is headed by PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen).

Just this afternoon, a bomber was pursued and captured in the populous Sharon region, north of Tel Aviv. More than 200 wanted terrorists were captured when IDF forces demolished PA offices in Shechem and overnight, IDF forces captured five wanted terrorists in Judea and Samaria.

Over 200 Terrorists Arrested in Shechem PA Headquarters

(IsraelNN.com) IDF forces arrested more than 200 wanted terrorists today in Shechem. The terrorists were driven out of their hiding places when Israeli armored corps troops surrounded and demolished the Palestinian Authority offices in the city. The captured men have been transferred to General Security Services custody for questioning.

During the operation, which began in the early morning, terrorist gunmen opened fire on the IDF troops. There were no injuries among Israeli forces, who returned fire. In addition, IDF forces surrounded the Shechem prison, located next to PA militia headquarters for the city.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [290 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ancient Shechem = Modern Nablus
Posted by: mhw || 07/19/2006 11:22 Comments || Top||


Nasrallah Will Give Tel Aviv Residents One Hour to Flee
Arab press sources close to the Hizbullah say that residents of Tel Aviv will be given one hour to flee before the terrorist group launches a barrage of missiles at the city. The unnamed sources are quoted by the Palestinian Authority-based news agency Ma'an as saying:

"The Lebanese resistance is preparing a retaliation parallel to Israel's military actions. Hassan Nasrallah will address the people of Tel Aviv and warn them to evacuate the city within one hour. As soon as the delay ends, hundreds of heavy missiles will start landing in the city, which has been divided into squares in order to let damage reach every inch of the city. An estimated 500 missiles are expected to land in Tel Aviv in a short period of time."

The Arab sources further said that the Hizbullah has been very careful in cultivating its public image, in order to increase the surprise effect of the planned barrage on Tel Aviv.
Ain't much of a surprise if you announce it a hour ahead of time. If he does announce it, and it doesn't happen, he'll look pretty foolish.

The war, from the perspective of Nasrallah, has not yet begun, the sources said, adding that other "surprises" planned by the Hizbullah include more kidnappings of Israeli soldiers from along the Lebanese border.

Also claiming to have "surprises" in store for Israel is the Gaza-based Islamic Jihad. On Tuesday night, the terrorist organization claimed to have fired a Katyusha rocket at Sderot. The Katyusha is a more deadly rocket than the Kassam, and is being deployed against Israel in the north of the country by the Hizbullah.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [321 views] Top|| File under:

#1  flash

per Jerusalem Post, Hezb rockets have hit Nazereth, where 3 arabs, including 2 children were killed.

Presumably they were aiming for the nearby Jewish town of Upper Nazareth.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 10:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Were the A-rabs Sunnis or Shiites or Christian Pals?
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 07/19/2006 10:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Israel needs to ask it's allies for help and declare war on Syria and Iran so long as they support Hezbollah with weapons, money, or safe passage. We need to get in this fight if we are serious about our war against radical Islam.
It is already clear that other Arab countries will not join Hezbollah in this renagade war.
Israel, India, Thailand, UK, USA, Australia, Nigeria, and many other, mostly Islamic countries should make it clear who the enemy is and why. Those clinging to Islam who believe they can escape this warfare will have to make adjustments to avoid be dragged into certain destruction.
Why doesn't this alliance form immediately ?
Posted by: wxjames || 07/19/2006 11:05 Comments || Top||

#4  There's got to be at least 5000 Marines in the area. Bet they would be willing to help.
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 11:21 Comments || Top||

#5  IDF, please just nuke the bastards and lets get it started and over with.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 11:23 Comments || Top||

#6  If this is true, this war will be over quick, as well as many of our problems right after Isreal's retaliation.
Posted by: plainslow || 07/19/2006 12:10 Comments || Top||

#7  OK, this post is two hours old. When does the announcement hit the MSM?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 12:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Screw them. Load up the F-15s with 12,000 lbs of bombs and carpet bomb.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 13:01 Comments || Top||

#9  Drudge has the AP link

Previous attacks during the recent rocket barrage have hit the nearby Jewish town of Upper Nazareth, but the wave fired Wednesday was the first to hit a holy city. I think it's past time that all communities in Israel be labelled holy, too.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 13:23 Comments || Top||

#10  dresden - dont know.

Nazareth is (not surprisingly) heavily Christian, but it has a large (and vocal) muslim minority. Some big to do about land for a mosque, or church, or something, some years ago, that got the national Israeli authorities involved, and was quite embarassing all around.

AFAIK most if not all of the muslims there would be Sunni. Though there are plenty of Druze in the region.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 14:38 Comments || Top||

#11  Jerusalem Post

"Two brothers, three year-old Muhammad Taluzi and nine-year-old Rabiya Taluzi, were killed on Wednesday evening when several Katyusha rockets fell on the Arab Israeli town of Nazareth. "

Muslims, then.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#12  I would sure like to see a squadron of BUFFS from Diego Garcia head for Syria and take the Syrians out of the fight. Then Hizb'Allah would be cut off from their backers and resupply. They would fold fast. [/wishful thinking and common sense]
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Nikolaevsk, Alaska || 07/19/2006 15:08 Comments || Top||

#13  Muslims, then
Yeah but Arab Muslims. No concern of Iran
Posted by: plainslow || 07/19/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||

#14  Given that they were Hamas rockets that killed Palestinian children, would their deaths count under the heading of suicide bomb[ee]s?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 16:49 Comments || Top||

#15  On topic, NPR is telling the world tonight (or at least that part that still listens to them) that it was a Hizb'Allah bomb that killed the little Palestinian children. *snicker*
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 21:19 Comments || Top||


Israeli ground troops enter Lebanon
Israel declared Tuesday it was ready to fight Hezbollah guerrillas for several more weeks, raising doubts about international efforts to broker an immediate cease-fire in the fighting that has killed more than 260 people and displaced 500,000. The military said early Wednesday it sent some troops into southern Lebanon in search of tunnels and weapons.

Despite the diplomatic activity, Israel is in no hurry to end its offensive, which it sees as a unique opportunity to crush Hezbollah. The Islamic militants appear to have steadily built up their military strength after Israel pulled its troops out of southern Lebanon in 2000.

Israeli warplanes struck an army base outside Beirut and other areas in south Lebanon on Tuesday, killing 27 people, and Hezbollah rockets battered Israeli towns, killing one Israeli. Five big explosions reverberated over Beirut early Wednesday, and missiles hit towns to the east and south of the capital.

At daybreak Wednesday, a small number of Israeli troops were operating just across the border inside southern Lebanon, looking for tunnels and weapons, the Israeli military said without providing any more details.

The incursion came a day after Israel indicated that it might send large numbers of ground troops into the southern Lebanon, but Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman denied Wednesday's operation was part of any such operation.

"What is going on at the moment is a number of Israeli ground troops very near to the border on the Lebanese side, trying to destroy some Hezbollah outposts," he told CNN.

"This is an operation which is very measured, very local," he said. "This is no way an invasion of Lebanon. This is no way the beginning of any kind of occupation of Lebanon."
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Posted by: tipper || 07/19/2006 03:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [544 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think the Israelis are a little surprised no one who matters is calling for them to stop.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/19/2006 4:05 Comments || Top||

#2  They'd have to be.
Posted by: AzCat || 07/19/2006 5:34 Comments || Top||

#3  The Israelis should take their time and be extra careful about civilian casualties. It would only take one major error to bring this to a premature end. Any ceasefire deal will have the release of the captured soldiers on the first line and the Hezzies aren't going to do that in a hurry, so there's plenty of time.
Posted by: Apostate || 07/19/2006 6:03 Comments || Top||

#4  JPost: IDF, Hizbullah exchanging fire on northern border

IDF forces and Hizbullah were entangled in a heavy exchange of fire Wednesday afternoon on the northern border.

Debka reports reinforcements streaming across the border.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/19/2006 6:06 Comments || Top||

#5  The Islamic militants appear to have steadily built up their military strength after Israel pulled its troops out of southern Lebanon in 2000.

Gosh, AP clearly hires their reporters for raw intelligence -- this one is really, really smart!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 6:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Debka: Lebanese sources report first Israeli air strike in central Beirut’s Ashrafiya district against a suspected heavy missile truck. They claim it was a municipal vehicle for clearing sewers.

I didn't know they used heavy missiles to clean their sewers! :-)
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 7:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Municipal strength snakes.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 7:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Israel's response to the HezbAllah incursions, kidnappings, and rocket attacks is totally understandable. And predictable. And quite possibly wrong. One should be at least a little worrried about doing that which your enemy expects and even incites you to do (like head butting in response to a taunt in a World Cup game.)
The problem is that Israel cannot kill ALL of HezbAllah. Nor 'convert' them to peaceful practices. Nor are they likely to seriously impact Hezb'Allah's long-term weapons supply. What they may be doing is creating more future HezbAllah - people who might have been merely passive supporters becoming dedicated after having their kin killed and homes blown up. And reducing support within the rest of the Lebanese community. Sure, the Hezb are embedded among them, and sure, the non-Hezb aren't doing anything about it, but I figure it's like that psychological hostage syndrome, where they bond with their captors and reject their rescuers (probably out of some kind of guilt about not fighting their captors themselves.) Anyway, it strikes me as what the Israelis are facing in Lebanon.
So what IS the answer? I don't know. Killing everyone won't work (unacceptable to the civilized world.) Too late to just sit still and talk, but that wasn't likely to do any good either. Nuking Iran wouldn't be acceptable (until after Iran nukes them, which would be too late.) In the mid-term the approach taken seems likely to return to nearly the previous condition, with more but weaker enemies. Is there a way to use the weakened status of those enemies to 'convert' (revert) them? That's a political task, not a military one.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 7:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Killing every Hesb is OK with me. Even if there is a lot of collateral damage. It's actually a lot nicer than what's going to happen later if we don't take care of this problem now.

And we don't need to kill every one. We didn't kill every Nazi or every Japanese Emperor worshipper. We just need to kill so many that the rest say "I'd rather change my mind and live than keep the faith and die." If it ends up meaning we do kill them all, it was by their own choice. They started this war and the question is who will finish it.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 7:47 Comments || Top||

#10  wow, that is such a stretch for an analogy. A head butt for a taunt v/s rocket launches and kidnappings. Now perhaps if you had said that someone who is being stalked by someone who wants to rape and killt them should should be at least a little worrried about doing that which your enemy expects and even incites you to do it makes a bit more sense, though not in the same context.

Besides Gilmore, I bet that guy won't be taunting him anymore, now will he? And I suspect that in the context of survival, that's a result that Israel can live with.
Posted by: 2b || 07/19/2006 7:56 Comments || Top||

#11  NS - you may well be right that killing them ALL now is not as bad as what would otherwise happen later (nuke Japan vs. invade.) But that's not going to happen. And it would be more like Japan than Germany - Germans were not fighting for a centuries-old, ingrained-from-birth religion like the Japanese. And of course Islam is even worse. And 'the world' is not ready to really face the problem yet - by the time they are it will, as you point out, be a lot worse.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 7:58 Comments || Top||

#12  Glenmore, my mother used to tell me things are not good or bad. They are just better or worse than the alternatives.

And, democracy's great strength is that they try stuff and then discard what doesn't work (sure the process is often slow and painful).

Israel is trying the military route, because there isn't a better option on offer. Maybe it will work, maybe it will work for a while or maybe it won't work at all. We shall see.

Maybe next year or the year after there will be a better alternative, but right now they are doing the best thing possible - taking down as much of Hezbollah as they can until the people who matter say enough.

BTW, I hear Condi will be washing her hair for the next few days, so they still have time.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/19/2006 8:01 Comments || Top||

#13  2b - I am not disagreeing at all IN PRINCIPLE. Just concerned it may not be the most pragmatic path.
Adressing your stalker analogy - I'd be cautious trying to kill that stalker if it was clear he wanted me to try. Not saying I wouldn't do it, just that I would be real concerned about WHY he wanted me to try. I'm thinking along the lines of Custer and Little Big Horn here.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 8:04 Comments || Top||

#14  Phil b
I concur. From the beginning the path taken may have been the best available. My real point is - what is the NEXT step? I don't believe a 'final solution' is it. And THIS phase won't last too much longer (how long can she wash her hair.) I hope people smarter than I (and maybe Kofi too) are gaming some longer-term political approaches.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 8:09 Comments || Top||

#15  I'd agree you're more realistic, Glenmore but I'm correct.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 8:10 Comments || Top||

#16  Debka: Lebanese sources report first Israeli air strike in central Beirut’s Ashrafiya district against a suspected heavy missile truck. They claim it was a municipal vehicle for clearing sewers

The Yahoo news story on this strike has someone claiming the truck carried a drill for water. I think the vehicle was a fluffy bunny rescue van. Others think it was yellow duckie transport. Nobody really knows for sure.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 07/19/2006 8:13 Comments || Top||

#17  They are a death cult Glenmore, of course they will flock to whoever will get them killed the fastest. You cannot reason with them, you cannot bargain with them, you cannot give them the slightest bit of compassion or they mistake it for weakness and begin to foam at the mouth. All you can do with zealots is kill them, and keep killing them until you have rooted out the nest. Look at Afghanastan, we are annihilating the Taliwhackers left and right, only now is their appeal waning. Why? Because nobody wants to play for a losing team.
Posted by: Flolunter Clemp1012 || 07/19/2006 8:15 Comments || Top||

#18  Thinemp Whimble2412 - No doubt a mobile Baby Milk Factory.
Posted by: Elmoluth Chutch7372 || 07/19/2006 8:19 Comments || Top||

#19  We keep hearing the same argument for the Iraqi terrorists and the Taliban. The point is, both are weakening and only focused on a local struggle rather than a regional/global one. Tribal leaders in Afganistan and Pakland are asking the Americans to take prisoners instead of using smart bombs, since so many young men aren't returning home. Iraqi terrorists are scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel. Young arabs are wearning copies of American uniforms and acknowledge our military power. You don't have to kill everyone, just the fanatics and enough of the people that are swayed by them that the rest stay home and the people that oppose the fanatics start moving against them. A generation of young arab men are being wiped out. It is nessisary to clean out the death cult that their culture is obsessed with and start change. A large butcher's bill will have to be paid for the sins of the arab fathers. Change is now happening. We can't back off simply because we are weasy about the large death toll. It has to happen, or they will kill us.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/19/2006 9:07 Comments || Top||

#20  To get an idea of why Lebanon is where it is today read this thread. Skip to the third post and start reading about Syria's slaughter of many thousands of Lebanese.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/19/2006 9:26 Comments || Top||

#21  Glenmore: NS - you may well be right that killing them ALL now is not as bad as what would otherwise happen later (nuke Japan vs. invade.) But that's not going to happen. And it would be more like Japan than Germany - Germans were not fighting for a centuries-old, ingrained-from-birth religion like the Japanese. And of course Islam is even worse.

I'm afraid you have been misled about the fighting spirit of the Japanese. The Japanese lost a third of the dead suffered by the Germans during WWII. The Germans fought until their capital was overrun. The Japanese gave up well short of that. The Germans fought for four years against 80% of the US effort (20% was devoted to fighting the Japanese, against MacArthur's strenuous objections) and 100% of the British and Soviet efforts. The Japanese surrendered 3 months after 100% of the US effort was devoted to crushing them. The Germans lost four times the number of civilian deaths as the Japanese to Allied bombings. In terms of fighting spirit, the Germans beat the Japanese hands down - the numbers don't lie. Sure, the Japanese were Shintoists, but this did not make them fearless - they were certainly much more concerned about annihilation than the Germans who lost 10% of their population during WWII, as compared to only 2.5% of the Japanese population.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/19/2006 9:30 Comments || Top||

#22  Israeli bombers, which had been focusing on Hezbollah strongholds in southern Beirut, also hit a Christian suburb on the eastern side of the capital for the first time. The target was a truck-mounted machine that was used to drill for water but could have been mistaken for a missile launcher. The vehicle was destroyed, but nobody was hurt in that attack.

A truck-mounted well drilling rig, with the drill folded down over the cab for transport, would look exactly like a missile launcher from a distance. I'd have hit it myself.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 10:10 Comments || Top||

#23  ZF-
You just taught me something. I was basing my asssessment on the killed vs surrendered ratio on the islands like Okinawa, where I think surrenders were on the order of 1% and extrapolating.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 10:14 Comments || Top||

#24  Steve - I made almost exactly the same comment in another thread :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 10:24 Comments || Top||

#25  Agree re: Islamic fanatics --

"You cannot reason with them,

you cannot bargain with them,

you cannot give them the slightest bit of compassion or they
mistake it for weakness."

In general, the Arab population will go a long with the perceived "winner" -- so it's important to clear the nest and target the important players--the ones who are organizers, leaders. But I don't see this ending any time soon. As I've said before, the motivation on the part of Islamics has a lot more to do with complex psychosexual issues, identity, developmental gaps, and issues of dysfunctional culture and family/community relationships, than it does with religion or politics. These guys each have a personal score to settle and have selected a scapegoat (the Jews/ the West) because, for various reasons, they cannot confront, and their society does not allow them to confront, the real enemy, nor does their society allow them to build in a direction away from the consequence of the negative influences that have been damaging to them. So all they're left with is fighting as an end-all "remedy" to their "problems." And, of course, there are others (the leaders, organizers) who, in addition to having their own driving issues, play on those same drives in the other young men, for reasons of personal enrichment and/or social recognition/power.

I love the US because there are actual avenues of redress which are supported by society, even for those who have endured the worst abuse, and there is opportunity to build in a prosocial way, in a different direction, so as to create a new future at the individual level. Compared to Arab fatalism, we have an almost polar-opposite view on life, and we'd all really like these guys to quit it so we can get on with things.
Posted by: ex-lib || 07/19/2006 10:33 Comments || Top||

#26  #21 ZF:

How many atomic bombs did the Germans get dropped on them?
Posted by: DoDo || 07/19/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#27  #26, A more accurate question would be how many major cities were decimated.

We produced nearly the same amount of destruction when firebombing Dresden. I think we also produced more IMMEDIATE kills in Dresden than in either of the Nuked japanese cities.

You win a war by making your enemy incapable or unwilling to wage war.
Posted by: Anon4021 || 07/19/2006 11:41 Comments || Top||

#28  Anon4021, well said.

"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want."

"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."

---William Tecumseh Sherman
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 07/19/2006 12:01 Comments || Top||

#29  Dresden bombing death estimates vary wildly. From Wikipedia:

Civilian death estimates vary wildly largely as a result of propaganda figures which received widespread publicity at the time, however the most recently available evidence from Friedrich Reichart of Dresden City Museum points to 25,000 deaths, which is less than the number that died in Hamburg, but Dresden was a smaller city. Numbers between 25,000 — 140,000 have been used in official statistics with the communist authorities of Dresden increasing their estimates across time; estimates in Nazi Germany by the Ministry of Propaganda varied between 350,000 and 400,000. At that time, Dresden's population was 600,000, but up to 200,000 refugees were living in cramped apartments and passing through Dresden as the Russians were now only fifty miles away. The entire inner city (15 square kilometres) was utterly devastated, and other quarters were damaged to some degree, the many villa quarters, however, on average much less than others.

Many of the higher estimates are based on a fake TB47 report (which has been visibly altered by the simple expedient of adding a zero to the end of the totals). However the West German Federal Archive in Koblenz discovered a genuine copy of TB47. The official "Final Report and Situation (TB47)" produced by Reich Commander of the Order Police a month after the bombings. "TB47" is probably a reasonable guide to the order of casualty numbers. It states definite figures of between 18,000 and 22,000 with estimates of final numbers of 25,000 and includes the interesting sentence "Since rumours far exceed the reality, open use can be made of the actual figures."


The bombing of Hamburg likely killed more people:

On the night of July 27, shortly before midnight, 739 aircraft attacked Hamburg. A number of factors combined to give the enormous destruction that followed; the unusually dry and warm weather, the concentration of the bombing in one area and that the city's firefighters were unable to reach the initial fires - the high explosive "Cookies" used in the early part of the raid had prevented them getting into the center of the city from the periphery where they were working on the results of the 24th. The bombings culminated in the spawning of the so-called "Feuersturm" (firestorm). Quite literally a tornado of fire, this phenomenon created a huge outdoor blast furnace, containing winds of up to 240 km/h (150 mph) and reaching temperatures of 800°C (1,500°F). It caused asphalt on the streets to burst into flame, cooked people to death in air-raid shelters, sucked pedestrians off the sidewalks like leaves into a vacuum cleaner and incinerated some eight square miles (21 km²) of the city. Most of the casualties (40,000) caused by Operation Gomorrah happened on this single night.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#30  The Jew haters at CNN just reported the EXACT town where the Israeli SF entered. There is big difference between reporting along a tank crew and pin pointing locations of SF. CNN called IDF to confirm, CNN said the IDF denied it but CNN reported that, even though IDF denied it, I saw ISF being dropped into this town. I won't repeat the town here for obvious reasons.

I don't why Israel won't kick out CNN. As student of the Bible, I don't want to use the words that I want use against CNN. I will say that, I have flames coming out of my ears. Man!! I can't believe it. The truth is, I do believe it.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 07/19/2006 13:37 Comments || Top||

#31  Phil_b, I strongly agree with your mother's "best alternative" view. You have to move based on the facts and alternatives at hand. The situation is the same in Iraq. Going in and taking down Saddam was, IMO, the best alternative that we faced at the time. Will our efforts succeed? Who knows! one scenario is that once we leave the Shiites and the Sunnis will likely slide into a civil war that will be extremely bloody. Pundits will say our effort was a total failure. But perhaps they will kill one another to an extent that they become exhausted and return to the roots of democracy that we provided them. We went through a civil war that killed over half a million soldiers and came out on the other side a stronger nation than when we went in. Perhaps they need the heat of that same crucible. Perhaps the Shiite Lebanese need it too. You can only play what if for so long when your people are being killed by someone. Your reaction may not be perfect, but it is the one you choose.
Posted by: remoteman || 07/19/2006 14:00 Comments || Top||

#32  "How many atomic bombs did the Germans get dropped on them?"

It was supposed to be a simultaneous nuclear strike on both Japan and Germany

Alas poor Adolph blew his brains out and Germany surrendered too soon.
Posted by: kelly || 07/19/2006 15:26 Comments || Top||

#33  kelly: Alas poor Adolph blew his brains out and Germany surrendered too soon.

There's a key distinction to be made here. Germany "surrendered" when it was overrun. The Japanese surrendered before the home islands were invaded, let alone overrun.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/19/2006 16:11 Comments || Top||

#34  Sherman said what he said.

Of course he was justifying the large scale destruction of property. Not deliberate killing of civilians. AFAIK, the Army of the Tennessee, under Sherman, was no less respectful of civilian life than any other civil war army - IE not perfect, but certainly respecting the distinction between soldiers and civilians. And Sherman also advocated a "hard war" in the belief that victory could be achieved soon - he advocated a "soft peace". Clearly Sherman understood that tactics needed to be fitted to political realities.

The reality is that Israel is a nation of 5 million or so people. It CANNOT occupy populated portions of the arab middle east. It is dependent on foreign trade, and, (to a much lesser extent) on outside support. It CANNOT commit largescale destruction of civilian populations, even were it willing to.

These constraints are reality.

AFAICT Israels goals in the current war is to weaken Hezbollah, by destroying a large portion of its missile supply and other weapons, of its leadership and financial and organizational assets, and some portion of its personnel. All of these of course Hezb can, in theory, make good over time. However in the meanwhile Hezb will have lost both prestige and material power, weakening it in the byzantine political struggle in Lebanon. Further, Israel will have shown that Syria and Iran are unable to protect their protege, thereby weakening the prestige of Syria and Iran in the region. Ideally this might lead to regime change in one or both of those countries- but even if it does not, it shifts the political and diplomatic balance in the region. KSA, others, are more likely to look to the strong horse, esp when said horse has weakened the power they most fear.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 16:21 Comments || Top||

#35  To put it differently.

If you know your life depends on the outcome of a game of chess, you play a careful game of positional chess. If youre playing for fun, you can send all your pieces to try to take the king immediately.

Israel knows how much is at stake. Their game is cautious. They will be happy if they can knock off a few pawns, and open up some lines of future attack. Some folks here will be screaming that theyve left their enemies rooks and bishops alive.

Note - positional chess is historically NOT the American way of war. It sure changes things when you have a GDP equal to a forth or more of the worlds total economy. Israel isnt in that position, and never will be. Even the US is moving away from that position. Positional chess is our destiny.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 16:26 Comments || Top||

#36  Actually, the fire-bombing of Tokyo on the night of Mar 9-10 killed and injured more people than either of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, and more than any single raid on any German city. A total of 334 B-29s dropped more than 2000 tons of incindiary bombs, destroyed almost 16 sqare miles of the city, and left 100,000 dead and almost a million injured. Source.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/19/2006 16:46 Comments || Top||

#37  Patriot:

And we've not had a hostile Japanese round fired at us in over 60 years, probably never will again. I find Narita International very civilized. I smile when I see the words "Make in Japan." I enjoy Sushi now and then, and I'd shoot anyone who tries to touch my Nikon digital.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 16:53 Comments || Top||

#38  You can also think of this war as an experiment. Can we convince Muslims to abandon Jihad (at least for a time) by hitting them hard enough? Or is the Shiva option is the only route to our own survival?
Posted by: gromgoru || 07/19/2006 17:06 Comments || Top||

#39  hit a Christian suburb on the eastern side of the capital for the first time. The target was a truck-mounted machine that was used to drill for water but could have been mistaken for a missile launcher. The vehicle was destroyed, but nobody was hurt in that attack.

The Israeli's dodged a bomb. They need to confine strikes to the Hizballah and Shiite areas (raize it for all I care) and work out agreements w/ the Christians, Druze, and Sunnis that there will be no Hizb, Iranians or their weapons allowed in those areas. For an understanding that their will be no strikes in those areas, the Israelis receive assurances that any suspicious activity will be dealt with. The last thing the Israelis need is to have this turn into a Israel vs. Lebanon war. Apologize, offer cooperation to void such mistakes and offer compensation for the drilling truck and any collateral damage.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 19:29 Comments || Top||


Gaza gateway reopens one day only
GAZA CITY - The Gaza Strip border with Egypt reopened on Tuesday for the first time in three weeks to allow people to cross into the Palestinian territory on humanitarian basis only, officials said. The Rafah passenger terminal, which has been closed since June 25 when an Israeli soldier was abducted near the Gaza border, opened at 9:00 am (0700 GMT) and was scheduled to stay open until 7:00 pm, a EU spokeswoman said.

The head of Rafah terminal, Gaza’s sole gateway to the world that bypasses Israel, confirmed that five buses had already entered from Egypt. “It is only open to humanitarian cases and only one way Egypt to Gaza, and in principle the border will only remain open 11 hours today,” spokeswoman for the EU monitors Maria Telleria told AFP.
"That should be enough to clear the riff-raff we've accumulated," he noted.
Hundreds of people considered humanitarian cases have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the terminal would be allowed to cross into the Gaza Strip during the day. Telleria said more than 1,000 people may be allowed to cross.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [294 views] Top|| File under:

#1  this would be the official opening, to clear out the sweet little mothers with multiple multiply-handicapped offspring. The Boys w/Guns streamed through the hole blown in the wall a few days ago, on their way to glorious martyrdom. (I don't recall reading that the hole was repaired by the Egyptians, are BwGs still streaming through?)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 7:49 Comments || Top||

#2  The Egytians are humanitarians, I'd have used a catapult.
Posted by: Flolunter Clemp1012 || 07/19/2006 8:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Great Pic!
Posted by: Mike N. || 07/19/2006 9:06 Comments || Top||

#4  looks like the Tijuana entry, say, in the 50's
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 19:28 Comments || Top||


Israel rejects ceasefire offer as foreigners flee
BEIRUT: Israeli warplanes battered Lebanon on Tuesday, killing 28 people, and more Hezbollah rockets hit the Israeli city of Haifa, with no sign that diplomacy would halt the week-old conflict any time soon. Israel rejected calls for a ceasefire as it pounded a Lebanese army barracks and flattened homes on the seventh day of an assault that has killed at least 240 people and sent tens of thousands fleeing for their lives.

Helicopters, ferries and cruise liners were being chartered to pick up foreign nationals trapped in the violence between Israel and Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas. Across the border in northern Israel, a civilian was killed when a rocket hit a park in the resort of Nahariya in the latest of hundreds of rocket attacks by Hezbollah.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert accused Hezbollah of coordinating its abduction of two Israeli soldiers last week with Iran, enabling Tehran to divert attention away from its nuclear programme. Olmert told visiting UN envoys trying to broker a ceasefire that “Israel will continue the battle against Hezbollah and will continue to strike targets belonging to the group until it obtains the release of its captured soldiers and restores the security of Israeli citizens.”
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Fatah Official’s Gaza Home Attacked
In what appeared to be renewed violence between Hamas fighters and President Mahmoud Abbas' loyalists, gunmen yesterday stormed the home of a senior Palestinian security officer in Gaza, killing his bodyguard. However, the governing Hamas movement said it had no part in the attack on the home of Nabil Tammous. He is a senior member of the Preventive Security Service, loyal to Abbas, and known to be at odds with Hamas. Despite the Hamas denial, security sources from Abbas' camp said they still suspected attackers were linked to Hamas that defeated the president's Fatah movement in January elections. The security sources said gunmen stormed Tammous' house and shot one guard, then blew up the house. They said the gunmen captured three other guards and had taken them away.
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#1  Rodent on rodent crime
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't they have better things to worry about right now?
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 2:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Nope, the Louses of Islam cannot be expected to behave like rational people. Between the heat, the propaganda on Paleo TV, and their twisted death cult, not more than 1 in 10 seems to be able to function in a reasonable fashion. So killing each other while in the middle of a battle with the Israelis seems like the logical thing to do to them.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 3:10 Comments || Top||

#4  1 in 10 is an optimistic number.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/19/2006 8:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Rodent on rodent crime
Technically known as Rat on Rat.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 14:06 Comments || Top||

#6  1 in 10 is an optimistic number.
One in ten "palestinians" is under the age of two, and not yet fully robotized. As they grow up, they receive so much indoctrination they can no longer function in a rational world.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/19/2006 16:55 Comments || Top||


Arab teens held for threatening J'lem shop-owners
Jerusalem police on Tuesday arrested 13 Arab teens who allegedly threatened Arab merchants of the Old City to shut their shops in solidarity with the Lebanese, police said. The suspects, who were apprehended in two police sweeps in the late morning, are all residents of east Jerusalem.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [292 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now they can be residents of Lebanon.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 0:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Exile to the PA territories after imprisonment. With no clan ties there, it's a true Man Without A Country experience. At least, that was the complaint of those exiled to Gaza from the West Bank after the Bethleham church siege.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 7:52 Comments || Top||


Two Kassam rockets hit western Negev; none wounded
One Kassam rocket was fired from Gaza and hit Ashkelon on Tuesday evening while another rocket fired from Gaza hit near Sderot. No-one was reported wounded in the incidents.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [300 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hezbollah wouldn't know anyway. They use the "fire and forget" weapons systems.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/19/2006 9:05 Comments || Top||


Rockets fired at Emek Hahula area; none wounded
The Hizbullah fired rockets at the Emek Hahula area late Tuesday night. No one was reported wounded in the attack.
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Druse town suffers from rocket fire
On Friday, the residents of the mainly Druse town of Peki'in were getting ready to celebrate the marriage of one of their sons to a young woman from nearby Beit Jann. The wedding was to be held in a hall in a neighborhood located three kilometers from the Old Town, where men who had served in the army had been given plots of land to build their homes.

Three hours before the feast, two Katyusha rockets fell on the neighborhood as the guests began to gather. One rocket scored a direct hit on the roof of the home where Salman and Dina Ali live with their children Hussein, Rana and Sari. The rocket exploded on the roof, boring a large hole and landing in a bathroom on the top floor of the two-story house, where it created another large hole in the floor. The warhead released tiny metal balls that ripped through everything in their path, destroying a water tank, an air conditioner and a pergola of vines. The explosion also blew out the wall of a staircase leading from the second floor to the roof. A few minutes earlier, another rocket had exploded immediately in front of a neighbor's house a few meters away. Altogether, seven houses sustained damage from the two blasts.

According to Ali's nephews, Anan and Alan Kheir, their aunt and uncle had been lucky. A few minutes before the rocket hit their home, they had debated whether to eat upstairs or downstairs. In the end, they chose downstairs, a decision which may have saved their lives. Galib Kheir, head of the town's tourism department, wanted to know why no members of the media had came to see the damage that Peki'in had suffered over the past six days. It is a question also asked by town engineer Halim Muhana.

Underlying the question, which is asked with obvious resentment or hurt, is the unspoken accusation that no one cares about Peki'in because it isn't Jewish. The leaders of Peki'in stress that Hizbullah does not distinguish between Jews and Druse. "As far as Nasrallah is concerned, we are all Israelis," said Galib Kheir. "He doesn't care who he hits just as long as he hits."
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [285 views] Top|| File under:

#1  is the unspoken accusation that no one cares about Peki'in because it isn't Jewish.

silly boy. Ya got that confused. The media doesn't care because you aren't a Muslim or any other group who wishes for the destruction of western civilization.
Posted by: 2b || 07/19/2006 8:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Umm, Druzes are muslims, of a kind
Posted by: Uleanter Ebbinenter1449 || 07/19/2006 8:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Weddings, can't live with them, can't live without them.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 8:34 Comments || Top||

#4  a pergola of vines
Ima gettin smarter every day.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 14:08 Comments || Top||


Katyushas kill one in Nahariya
One person was killed on Tuesday afternoon in Nahariya following a rocket barrage on the city. According to reports, the rocket hit the man as he left the bomb shelter he had sought refuge in. Another man was reportedly wounded in the northern city. For a Jerusalem Online video of events click here All-in-all 125 rockets fell on northern Israel on Tuesday, Israel Radio reported. 3 people were wounded in Safed by rocket fire on Tuesday. Eli Dayari, a Nahariya resident interviewed by Channel 10, said the rocket hit a two-story building and an apartment there was on fire.
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IDF troops move into Mughazi refugee camp
Israeli tanks began moving into the Mughazi refugee camp in central Gaza early Wednesday under cover of machine gun fire from troops. The IDF confirmed that an operation was in progress. The camp, with 22,000 residents, is near the Gaza-Israel fence and across from the Palestinian town of Deir al-Balah. IDF forces operated in the region late last week before withdrawing. Israeli troops have also swept through southern Gaza and carried out two invasions of northern Gaza, trying to stop terrorists from firing rockets at Israel.

The incursion was preceded by several hours of tank movements on the Israeli side, as well as exchanges of fire between soldiers and Palestinian gunmen. No casualties were reported.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [416 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Whoops, I thought this link may have had something to do with Hezballah. I'll be leaving now. Carry on with whatever it was you were doing, IDF.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 2:18 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Israeli air raids kill at least 59


ISRAELI air strikes on Lebanon killed 58 civilians and a Hezbollah fighter, the deadliest toll of the eight-day-old war, as thousands of villagers fled north and more foreigners were evacuated.

Hezbollah rockets killed two children in the northern city of Nazareth, medics said. More Hezbollah rockets fell on the city of Haifa and one hit an empty seafront restaurant.
Israeli troops crossed the border to raid Hezbollah posts and the Israeli army said two of its soldiers were killed and nine injured in fighting with Hezbollah guerillas.

The two children were Israeli Arabs, killed as they played outside a house.

"We heard a very large explosion and then windows shattered," resident Salah Hushaf told Israel's Channel 2 Television. "We saw two children killed."

Panicked but also curious, residents poured into the streets after several rockets slammed into the city, 45km south of the Lebanese border. One hit a house.

"Leave the area, more attacks are expected!" police shouted as firefighters fought a blaze caused by one missile. "Go home and take your children!"


The killing of the children, aged three and seven, raised Israel's civilian death toll from Hezbollah rocket attacks to 15. At least 14 Israeli troops have also been killed since Hezbollah launched a cross-border raid a week ago.

Israeli military strikes against Hezbollah and Lebanese targets have killed at least 297 people in Lebanon.

"After the rockets killed the two children, the situation is tense and people are tense. We are trying to calm them down," said an emotional Ali Salaam, deputy mayor of Nazareth.

"We appeal to the entire world to intervene to stop this war."


Nazareth is home to the Church of the Annunciation, built above a sunken grotto where, according to Roman Catholic tradition, the angel Gabriel told the Virgin Mary she was to bear Jesus. It is one of the farthest towns hit by Hezbollah.

About 20 per cent of Israel's population are Arab.

Despite international concern, there was no sign Israel or its Lebanese Shi'ite foes were ready to heed the Beirut Government's pleas for an immediate halt to a war that has killed at least 294 people in Lebanon and 29 in Israel.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said more than 500,000 people had been displaced and appealed for international help.

"I call on you to respond immediately and without reservation to our call for a ceasefire and to provide urgent international humanitarian aid," he said in a televised address.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the bombardment would last "as long as necessary" to free two soldiers captured by Hezbollah on July 12 and ensure its militants are disarmed.

Hezbollah, backed by Syria and Iran, wants to swap the two Israeli soldiers for Lebanese and Palestinians in Israeli jails.

At least 17 Lebanese, including several children, were killed and 30 wounded in an Israeli air strike that destroyed houses in the southern village of Srifa, residents said.

"There was a massacre in Srifa," said the village's mayor, Afif Najdi. Rescuers were still looking for bodies.

At least 41 other civilians were killed in air strikes that hammered other parts of south and east Lebanon, security sources said. Hezbollah said one of its fighters was killed.

Israel also bombed the runway at Beirut international airport, which has been closed since last week. The runway and fuel tanks have been hit several times.

Israeli planes also bombed a base of the Syrian-backed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the Bekaa, the PFLP said. The guerilla group gave no word on casualties.

Many villagers in southern Lebanon said food, water and medical supplies were dwindling after roads and bridges were cut in the south, restricting movement of aid.

The United Nations Children's Fund appealed for $US7.3 million ($9.79 million) to meet the immediate needs of women and children.
Posted by: Oztralian || 07/19/2006 21:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [396 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ISRAELI air strikes on Lebanon killed 58 civilians and a Hezbollah fighter, the deadliest toll of the eight-day-old war, as thousands of villagers fled north and more foreigners were evacuated.

Flip the numbers and you'll be closer to the truth.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/19/2006 21:43 Comments || Top||

#2  re: Hezzy tunnels, spider holes and trenches just north of the Israel Leb border used for firing rockets and resupply.

Time for Nape. Cook 'em in-place.
Posted by: RD || 07/19/2006 21:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Interestingly, NPR this evening reported that Arab Israelis are united with the rest of the country in wanting the IDF to destroy Hizb'Allah. Not interesting because that's how they feel, but interesting that NPR reported it -- and without attempting to slant it. Perhaps someone over there is catching up with reality.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 22:04 Comments || Top||

#4  It is a testament to the dumbing down of American education that none of the press has any concept of the level of "civilian casualties" during WWII air raids. The Israelis have been very restrained in their conduct of precise bombardment. If Israel were conducting the type of unrestricted air war that the press is implying, the toll would be in the hundreds of thousands. Twits.
Posted by: RWV || 07/19/2006 23:14 Comments || Top||

#5  I believe that's actually a calculated move, RWV. The Stalinists run our media today.
Posted by: Glase Chavise4984 || 07/19/2006 23:24 Comments || Top||


23 tons of explosives dropped on suspected Hezbollah bunker in Beirut!
JERUSALEM — Israeli warplanes dropped bombs late Wednesday on a bunker in south Beirut where senior Hezbollah leaders were thought to be, the military said.

Military officials said a wave of aircraft dropped 23 tons of explosives on the bunker. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters, said top Hezbollah figures were thought to be there, possibly including Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. The officials said the bunker was in the Bourj al-Barajneh section of southern Beirut.

The military said the attack occurred about 11 p.m., but reporters in Beirut said the last loud explosion heard there was 2 1/2 hours earlier.

Israel has said that one of the objects of its offensive in Lebanon is to eliminate Hezbollah leaders.
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Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 18:10 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [691 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get 'em! Get 'em! Go IDF!
Posted by: Mike || 07/19/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds to me like they are testing the theory that if you drop one bunker busting bomb after another on the same spot you will drill down and penetrate the bunker.

Wonder if it worked?
Posted by: phil_b || 07/19/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#3  It will be very interesting to see how well this approach works against deeply buried and reinforced targets under wartime conditions.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 18:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The IDF has bunker busters. If they were only going after one bunker, it seems odd. Maybe they were going after a bunch of tunnel mouths and got lucky. In any case, I hope the soldiers weren't being held there. Even if they weren't, I'm sure they'll say they were if the IDF got a bunch of their leadership. Might this explain the "tunnel" battle and all the ferocious fighting?
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 18:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Whoops, that was Beirut? I heard it was just a bit north of the border. My mistake.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 18:27 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes, thought provoking. And fun too.
Posted by: Chamble Omeager4377 || 07/19/2006 18:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Allan does not like you, Hezbull-boys.
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 18:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Two things I just heard -- probably didn't get the guys, and Generals are wanting more bunker buster bombs. Don't we have a few to spare?
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 18:50 Comments || Top||

#9  gorb, the 2 Israeli soldiers are purported to be held at Iranian embassy.
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 18:56 Comments || Top||

#10  Fox is reporting that the bunker or bunker complex is 100 feet deep and has several entrances. It was reportedly built by the Iranians, who probably have schooling from the world's best bunker builders, the NorKs.

Iran is a major oil exporter. They bring in a ton-o-money. They are obviously not using it for domestic infrastructure as Tehran looks nothing like Dubai. That bunker is probably world class and the best that money can possibly buy with no expense spared in the materials and craftsmanship.

Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 18:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Yes, thought provoking. And fun too.

Hey, start thinking again! :-)

I just heard, but have seen no reports, that there were two bunkers, one in Beirut, and one down near the border. Please resuscitate comment #4 for now!.

I thought the IDF had a bunch of bunker busters. Either they didn't know it was there and got lucky [sorry Levant, Luck in this case is a relative thing], or they were out because they used them to seal off tunnels perhaps. In any case, I heard the IDF is thinking they either got their man or close to it. And probably a bunch of munitions, too.

Please oh please oh please . . .
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 18:58 Comments || Top||

#12  "gorb, the 2 Israeli soldiers are purported to be held at Iranian embassy."

But that report is from some Lebanese exile group. Like they would be in a position to know what goes on in the Iranian embassy.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 18:58 Comments || Top||

#13  crosspatch: I'll bet the gov't had no idea that was there, right? Well, they only have to screw up the entrances to turn that bunker into a tomb for the bad guys I hope. Was that thing right near the airport?

I hope for several reasons they find those guys in the Iranian embassy.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 19:01 Comments || Top||

#14  "Was that thing right near the airport?"

It was supposedly in the Shiite suburbs South of downtown Beirut. The Fox reporter on the scene said that from their hotel they heard:

"A loud explosion followed by a very loud long duration explosion followed by an extremely loud explosion"
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 19:04 Comments || Top||

#15  Is it raining fluffy bunny parts? :-)
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 19:09 Comments || Top||

#16  Israel is not a primitive country, and bunker buster technology doesn't have to be extraordinary. Remember that not too long ago, the US used bunker busters that were basically 8" artillery tubes filled with delicious cream filling, as it were.

They worked rather well, in a pinch, and I'm sure the Israelis could fab up something real sweet and real quick.

Under any circumstance, I believe the max penetration rule is three times the length of the bomb.

Amusingly enough, in a situation like this, the Israelis might grab a piece of land ON TOP of the bunker. Things get a lot easier that way, being able to drill through at your leisure.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 19:11 Comments || Top||

#17  crosspatch, they have GOT to send these reporters to Explosion Reporting Training.

Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 07/19/2006 19:13 Comments || Top||

#18  Israel is not a primitive country, and bunker buster technology doesn't have to be extraordinary. Remember that not too long ago, the US used bunker busters that were basically 8" artillery tubes filled with delicious cream filling, as it were.

They worked rather well, in a pinch, and I'm sure the Israelis could fab up something real sweet and real quick.


If we could put those things together in a month or so, it would probably take them a week! :-)

Under any circumstance, I believe the max penetration rule is three times the length of the bomb.

Depends on how well you tenderized the material it travels through, probably.

Amusingly enough, in a situation like this, the Israelis might grab a piece of land ON TOP of the bunker. Things get a lot easier that way, being able to drill through at your leisure.

Also makes for interesting negotiations. >:-}
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 19:19 Comments || Top||

#19  Like this folks:

1st bomb (or set of bombs) collapses the above ground building. (Heavy bombs)

2nd clears away the debris from the first. (Lighter bombs).

3rd bomb cracks the roof (big mutha designed to dig a big surface crater).

Subsequent penetrators go in after that to take the deep shelter. One per layer of defense. JDAM types with penetrators best so as to hit the same hole.

And if you want to do it right, FAE to finish the job (works VERY well in enclosed spaces and amongst rubble). Whatever the penetrators didn't get, the FAE will wipe out with internal overpressures.

Don't ask.


Posted by: Oldspook || 07/19/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||

#20  "Depends on how well you tenderized the material it travels through, probably."

Actually, tenderizing the material can be a bad thing and make it harder to take it out. Imagine one of those corporate desk toys with the 5 steel balls in a row. When you pull one back and it hits the row of balls, the ball on the end flys out. The shock was transfered to the final ball which took flight, swings back and repeats the process in the other direction.

Now replace the middle ball with a beanbag. It doesn't work anymore and the shock isn't transmitted. A well engineered bunker would be set on something that acts as springs to absorb shock and would be covered with alternating layers of hard material such as steel reinforced concrete to prevent penetration as well as "crushable" materials such as a steel honeycomb structure to absorb shock from detonation resulting in the penetration of the layer above. In other words, the area above the bunker would be a "Dagwood sandwich" and prevent a single bomb from damaging the bunker. It would require several direct hits in exactly the same spot to bore through the protective layers.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 19:31 Comments || Top||

#21  "Whatever the penetrators didn't get, the FAE will wipe out with internal overpressures."

Or once you have opened up enough cracks you simply saturate the area with raw fuel such as kerosene, give it a little bit to soak in and then light it with an incendiary. This starts a fire that oxygen depletes any remaining spaces inside. Then you pick off anyone making it to the exits with UAV mounted weapons.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 19:37 Comments || Top||

#22  OS,

So, you want use banned ordinances, heh? I like your style.

Don't ask

Won't tell
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 07/19/2006 20:07 Comments || Top||

#23  Or the thermal bombs we have for cave busting. The explosion and burn keeps going, and going, and going, and going...
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/19/2006 20:15 Comments || Top||

#24  IDF claims the bunker was destroyed. Hixballah claims is was a mosque full of orphaned kittens.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291951954&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 20:15 Comments || Top||

#25  Gee, sports racers, I hope they didn't kill any duckies.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 20:20 Comments || Top||

#26  Hmmm...

"Dozens" of planes...

24, perhaps, as in 23 with 2x1000lb JDAMs and a follow-up eyeball?
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 20:24 Comments || Top||

#27  23 tons and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.
Posted by: jpal || 07/19/2006 20:36 Comments || Top||

#28  Oooooh, thermite! I loves me some thermite. Imagine a giant thermite grenade set gently on the top of the bunker by heavy lift helicopter. It is also quite impossible to put out because it makes its own oxygen. Nothing but a big plug of slag when all is said and done.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 20:41 Comments || Top||

#29  But Hezbollah denied the claim, saying the strike hit a mosque that was under construction...

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that was actually true. How many mosques have been used as weapons depots? Putting a bunker beneath one makes perfect muzzy sense.
Posted by: xbalanke || 07/19/2006 21:15 Comments || Top||

#30  23 tons? Not even one BUFF load.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/19/2006 21:17 Comments || Top||

#31  What a lovely earworm, jpal! ;-)

Separately, it was the Germans that built Saddam Hussein's bunkers for him. Did they do the job for Hizb'Allah's VIPs, too, I wonder?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 21:29 Comments || Top||

#32  TW, if the price was right I'm sure they at least offered.
Posted by: Scott R || 07/19/2006 21:43 Comments || Top||

#33  Poison Reverse - what banned bombs ?
FAEs - not banned
Bunker Busters - not banned
HE - not banned
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 21:56 Comments || Top||

#34  shake em son
Posted by: galley93 || 07/19/2006 22:01 Comments || Top||

#35  Well, for we non-military folks (who love our military!) reading and listening to 23 tons of explosives means nothing to me. Until, I heard Jennifer Griffith on Fox say she had seen a three story building completely demolished with 1000 pounds or tons. I prolly got the lbs-tons thing wrong, but either way, WOW.

That kinda gave me a more graphic image of what to expect. The world is gonna go crazy tomorrow, when pictures of this get shown.

Come on folks, the Israelis generals are wanting more bunker busters. Maybe we can pass the hat and give them a few more?
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 22:25 Comments || Top||

#36  Glenmore, the max iron bomb loadout on a BUFF was on the B-52D with the Big Belly mod. It could carry 84 500 pounders in the belly (21 short tons) + 24 750s on the wings (9 short tons). The H's never got the big belly mod and are restricted to 27 1000 pounders in the belly and 24 750s on the wing for a 22.5 ton load. At least, that's how I remember it.
Posted by: RWV || 07/19/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||

#37  right, Mojo. Probably not that many actual bombs, if they were like us b.busters. I thought they were 2k apiece.
Posted by: texhooey || 07/19/2006 22:51 Comments || Top||

#38  See what I'm talking about folks? "the max iron bomb loadout on a BUFF was on the B-52D with the Big Belly mod"

Thanks guys..... this is why I'm here, Rantburg University at its best. Actually makes me feel much safer and gives me lots of confidence when you guys talk like this. Thank you.
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 22:57 Comments || Top||

#39  General Characteristics
Primary Function: Heavy bomber
Contractor: Boeing Military Airplane Co.
Power plant: Eight Pratt & Whitney engines TF33-P-3/103 turbofan
Thrust: Each engine up to 17,000 pounds
Length: 159 feet, 4 inches (48.5 meters)
Height: 40 feet, 8 inches (12.4 meters)
Wingspan: 185 feet (56.4 meters
Speed: 650 miles per hour (Mach 0.86)
Ceiling: 50,000 feet (15,151.5 meters
Weight: Approximately 185,000 pounds empty (83,250 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 488,000 pounds (219,600 kilograms
Range: Unrefueled 8,800 miles (7,652 nautical miles)
Armament: Approximately 70,000 pounds (31,500 kilograms) mixed ordnance -- bombs, mines and missiles. (Modified to carry air-launched cruise missiles)
Crew: Five (aircraft commander, pilot, radar navigator, navigator and electronic warfare officer
Accommodations: Six ejection seats
Unit Cost: $53.4 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Date Deployed: February 1955
Inventory: Active force, 85; ANG, 0; Reserve, 9
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/19/2006 22:57 Comments || Top||

#40  3dc,

I didn't mean the BB's or HE but, FAE (Napalm). FAE such as Napalm is banned. But the work around it to use benzene or ethylene oxide. All of a sudden, it's legal again. The BLU-118/B uses ethylene oxide. It would be an excellent choice in Old Spook's shopping list. Bottomline, you are correct. I was just having fun with OS.

For anyone interested, here is a quick run down. Warheads
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 07/19/2006 22:59 Comments || Top||


Epic Battle in Hizballah Tunnels
Two Israeli troops killed in fierce battle with Hizballah in S. Lebanon Wednesday. One is identified as 1st Sgt. Yonatan Hadasi, 21, Kibbutz Merhavia. The combat between Israeli special forces and Hizballah focused on secret Hizballah tunnels at Maroun er Ras. DEBKAfile’s military sources report the epic battle evolved from a small Israeli special forces operation just inside Lebanon at noon Wednesday, July 19, to blow up Hizballah positions and destroy small fortified tunnels riddling the hills around Maroun er Ras opposite the Israeli town of Safed. Hizballah suffered an unknown number of losses. Reinforcements and medical teams crossed the border and the fighting spreads.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report the epic battle evolved from a small Israeli special forces operation just inside Lebanon at noon Wednesday, July 19, to blow up Hizballah positions and destroy small fortified tunnels riddling the hills around Maroun er Ras opposite the Israeli town of Safed. The tunnels were assumed to be unoccupied. The Israel force were horrified to find the first packed with Hizballah fighters heavily armed with automatic and anti-tank weapons. The force took casualties in the first blast of fire. At least one tank was blown up. The combat quickly spread to additional sectors of the warfront, joined by Hizballah fighters who sprang out of more secret tunnels which the Israeli force had not known were there.

After several hours of heavy exchanges, Israel’s top brass and northern command were forced to look at a number of painful facts:

1. Hizballah had pulled the wool over their eyes. While pretending to be forced back by massive Israeli air attacks, its fighters went underground. When chief of staff Dan Halutz and other generals announced the Hizballah’s first line of fortifications had been flattened, the line had simply dropped out of sight. Building small tunnels over large areas to conceal small fighter squads was a favorite Vietcong ruse against the Americans in the 1960s and 1970s.

2. Hizballah was not fighting a static war out of the tunnels but working to an organized mobile battle plan. As the fighting grew fierce, and the IDF pumped reinforcements into the battle arena, so too did Hizballah, moving them nimbly from tunnel to tunnel in defensive and offensive roles.

3. By afternoon, the engagement had escalated from a contest over the Maroun er Ras tunnels to a decisive battle between Hizballah and the IDF for control of the Lebanese-Israeli border.

4. The two sides were locked in such close combat that the Israelis were constrained from bringing their helicopter gunships into play for decisive strikes against Hizballah fighters. The same difficulty confronted IDF tank guns.

5. In addition to engaging Israeli special forces at three points in south Lebanon from Maroun er Ras in the east to Rosh Hanikra in the west, Hizballah commandos staged incursions of their own. They made repeated attempts to breach the Israeli border and capture stretches of land in Western Galilee. Israeli forces engaged them in heavy battle Wednesday afternoon at Rosh Hanikra. Hizballah commandos are still battering Israeli posts and forces.

6. True to its usual tactics, Hizballah accompanied its ground action with a massive barrage of some 80 rockets in the space of an hour Wednesday afternoon, July 19 against the towns of Nahariya, Haifa, Upper Galilee, the Hula Valley, Tiberias, Safed and Carmiel.
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#1  Welcome to Saipan, boys.
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 13:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Shoulda loaned 'em some B-52's.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 07/19/2006 13:54 Comments || Top||

#3  There are ways of clearing tunnels - mostly involving highly explosive liquids and gasses. The key is gaining access to openings, which can be costly if the tunnel complexes are well-engineered with interlocking defenses (as the Japanese built so often.) The question is, how good are the HezbAllah engineers?
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 13:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Overpressure is called for along with oxygen attachment. Appropriate tools exist and require ignoring the press to use.

Alternative that is not as successful is a massed array of D-9s
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 13:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Air drop tons of acorns over the area, then let loose a whole bunch of pigs.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 14:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Reasons why we don't fight from tunnels:
1. few exits.
2. air quality fragile.
3. food, water, and supplies are delivered on a 'top down' basis.
4. the stink of the dead bodies is unforgiving.
5. heavy things and explosions can cause ceiling
collapse.
6. just one gun can close the exit indefinitely.
7. digging machines like back hoes and track hoes can bite your head off.
8. exits can be sealed from outside.
9. can't see or breath.
10. no showers.
Posted by: wxjames || 07/19/2006 14:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Sounds like a job for airborne ground penetrating radar and 2000 pounders to loosen a lot of rock.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Hey, it worked well for Saddam...

Think Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Very bad situation. Are flamethrowers in existance anymore?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/19/2006 14:37 Comments || Top||

#9  Find one entrance and rig up a smoke generator to it. Instead of fog oil, rig it to pump chlorine gas. Nobody can hang through chlorine, and just a whiff will get you hopping. It's also readily available.

One 55 gallon drum, three tubs of pool chlorine powder and water.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 14:51 Comments || Top||

#10  The nice thing about tunnels is that by definition everyone in them is a combatant -- or at any rate not an innocent civilian. Don't hold back, IDF!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 15:06 Comments || Top||

#11  Hey guys? You've mention it before, and I plead dumb to lots of things military, but what is D-9?
Thanks
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 15:08 Comments || Top||

#12  "Epic battle in Hizballah tunnel...two Israeli troops killed in fierce battle..." Let's get the facts straight kiddies-7 Israeli soldiers killed, 16 wounded, three Israeli main battle tanks destroyed. There are no "Hizballah tunnels", for your information. That's propoganda to make you feel good by your brainwashers. The "Israelis" were killed in one of their four repelled and failed incursions into Lebanon. It's strange that the only way the "Israelis" can do any significant damage is from 25,000 feet up in the air-and then they only end up killing innocents as seen on T.V. They think they can win a war like that? Everytime they get into a fight with our Hizbullah the "Israeli" pseudo-soldiers either end up getting kidnapped or killed. And this is now happening everytime the "Israelis" dare to clash with our Hizbullah and Hamas. And the next Middle-East war will be very different from the past one. Muslims have a new zeal and fervour to strike terror in the hearts of the enemy. The "Israelis" had better go back to Europe and America and do what they are best at doing-making baggels.
Posted by: the Levant || 07/19/2006 15:12 Comments || Top||

#13  D-9
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 15:15 Comments || Top||

#14  Sherry, a D-9 is an armoured bulldozer made by Caterpillar.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/19/2006 15:15 Comments || Top||

#15  Oscar's comment is exactly why I say Israel needs to go in on the ground. He needs to be dead or deaf by the time they leave.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 15:16 Comments || Top||

#16  So, "Levant", how many Hezbies have reported for their 72 raisins?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/19/2006 15:16 Comments || Top||

#17  Holey Moley! it's a lot bigger than I thought!

Thanks for the link NS.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/19/2006 15:16 Comments || Top||

#18  You guys are great! And now, I'm an expert on the D-9. Great link
Posted by: Sherry || 07/19/2006 15:22 Comments || Top||

#19  Ladies and gentlemen of Rantburg, I vote we keep the Levant as a pet for the duration, at least so long as he can access the web from Syria. His every post demonstrates the understanding of his compatriots on both sides of the Lebanon/Syria border, and the borders of his ability to grasp reality. Oddly enough, his return here today reminds me of Arab behaviour in all their previous wars with Israel, when they turned to Israeli radio for the truth of the war's progress after tiring of the content-free boasting on the Arab stations.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 15:24 Comments || Top||

#20  Muslims have a new zeal and fervour to strike terror in the hearts of the enemy. The "Israelis" had better go back to Europe and America and do what they are best at doing-making baggels.

Levant baby I have a nice .223 with your name on it - you AND your sympathizers & facilitators here in the US. Bring it, bring it, bring it.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/19/2006 15:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Anonymoose -
'No' to the chlorine gas - it is a clearcut war crime. Plain old tear gas has been claimed a violation too, but strangely enough, smoke is not, nor is fire to either burn the occupants or consume their air and suffocate them. Oh well.
The hard part is identifying hidden tunnel openings and getting access to them. If they are independent tunnels you have to access each one of them against protection from the others - but they have no flexibility. If they are linked, they can move from pressure points, but if you get one you usually get a whole lot.
Posted by: glenmore || 07/19/2006 15:28 Comments || Top||

#22  Getting nervous Assad boy? Have you received your Iranian passport yet? It's gonna be real ugly for you when Alawites are overthrown. It's looking 1982 all over again, only over/on/in/through Syria this time.

Bombs from 30,000 ft, artillery from 30 km or bullets from 39 meters. It's all good when it kills muslim fanatics. Have you ever ranged a 175mm Long Tom artillery? It was made to chew up cities and Damascus is well within range. We won't even mention the 203mm's. It's brutal.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 15:30 Comments || Top||

#23  Hizballah suffered an unknown number of losses.

Levant, usually when militant/terrorist/your buddies losses are not reported or unknown that does not mean that there werent any. In fact it is usually quite the contrary.
Posted by: bool || 07/19/2006 15:31 Comments || Top||

#24  levant, why not go fight for your hezbollah so maybe you'll catch one in the head too
Posted by: Thromort Glomoger4987 || 07/19/2006 15:31 Comments || Top||

#25  Hey Levant ... it's B-A-G-E-L! Sheesh!
Posted by: doc || 07/19/2006 15:32 Comments || Top||

#26  Sounds like a job for "Snake" Pliskin...
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 15:32 Comments || Top||

#27  So Levant, what are you? Salafist? Arab Nationalist?
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/19/2006 15:35 Comments || Top||

#28  Sherry,

Lets not forget the Patron Saint of D9's - St. Pancake. Rachel Corrie, an american and jew hating person, just like her parents, went to 'Palistine' to protest the Israli's defending themselves from murders and terrorists.

She was standing in front of a house which was used to shuttle weapons so her peace loving palistinians can murder Jews when a D9 came along and demolished the building and literally gave her the title 'St. Pancake'.

Personally I think the driver truely didn't see her.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/19/2006 15:36 Comments || Top||

#29  Yeah, Levant, how come you aren't out there with the boys fighting off the evil bagel making Zionists?
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 15:36 Comments || Top||

#30  OK, TW. We'll let his hang around. But we should call him Oscar because he was so funny. I loved it when he was on the Jack Parr show. But, I forgot, that was before your time.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||

#31  Thermobaric rifle grenades are extremely useful in a situation like this : they have the reach advantage over the old flamethrowers and overpressure plus heat/flame for damage. Also, propane pumped from canisters under pressure into tunnels is a nasty little surprise. All the Israelis need to do for that one, is raid all the local stores selling BBQ supplies. Then add a few yards of flexible hosing and a remote detonator.
If you are a strict traditionalist, old working Soviet flamethrowers are still available on the world arms market.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 15:41 Comments || Top||

#32  The US has all sorts of thermobaric rockets, some with thermal sights to easily pick out tunnel openings. One of the more interesting is a 40mm thermobaric grenade round for use with M203. So every squad has a cave buster.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 15:57 Comments || Top||

#33  My favorite Oscar Levant line: "I knwe Doris Day *before* she was a virgin."
Posted by: Seafarious || 07/19/2006 16:49 Comments || Top||

#34  Levant
Do have to give it to you, this one lasted more than 6 days.
Posted by: plainslow || 07/19/2006 16:59 Comments || Top||

#35  Levant kinda reminds me of the kind of critter we had back on 7/8/04 on rantburg-desperate to insult us and frighten us. It gives it a sense of power.

***

"Hizballah had pulled the wool over their eyes" should be the first clause of any international settlement, should it come to that. :)
Posted by: Jules || 07/19/2006 17:37 Comments || Top||

#36  I see a bourka babe in Ls future. No more movies for you!
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 18:04 Comments || Top||

#37  Holey Moley! it's a lot bigger than I thought!

Back in college, Caterpillar helped pony up some money for a new building on campus. Said building was to be built on top of the dorm I was in. Woke up one morning to see a D8 parked outside. I was on the fourth floor, and I swear I coulda stepped out onto the cage.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/19/2006 19:19 Comments || Top||

#38  Send in a squad of Rachel Corries
Posted by: Turd Burglar || 07/19/2006 20:06 Comments || Top||

#39  smoke em owt withem ganja
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/19/2006 20:44 Comments || Top||

#40  and withhold the Hostess Dingdongs and bags of chips? You inhumane bastard, Muck!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 21:45 Comments || Top||

#41  I know, I missed out on all the good stuff 'cause I was born too late, Nimble Spemble. But what's a girl to do? I promise, I'm catching up with y'all as fast as I can! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||

#42  tunnels spider holes and trenches, bring back Nape!!
Posted by: RD || 07/19/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||

#43  "propane"

Rhino to the rescue!
Posted by: RJB in JC MO || 07/19/2006 22:01 Comments || Top||

#44  Anyone remember the tunnel complex underneath the 25th Inf (Tropical Lightning) at Cu Chi?
We're also finding a lot more tunnels along the Mexican border.
Is naplam still legal?
Posted by: Xenophon || 07/19/2006 22:36 Comments || Top||

#45  refills at Home Depot!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 22:39 Comments || Top||

#46  "The "Israelis" had better go back to Europe and America and do what they are best at doing-making baggels."

-Sounds to me like they are doing what they do best; & how exactly would "Israelis" go back to Europe & America? "Israelis" are from Israel - sheesh, what a maroon.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 07/19/2006 23:12 Comments || Top||

#47  To Levant - any time you want to step up and play against the Varsity, bring the Islamic Zeal bullshit on over to Iraq - all it does is get Islamofascists like you killed in large numbers.

But I doubt you'd last 5 minutes against the Druze, much less the IAF or the US Military or eventhe nascent Iraqi Army (some of them are pretty competent now).


And you guys have it wrong - Napalm is not the weapon of choice.

Not naplam. But fine aerosol of flammables is just fine. Fills into places that arent normally acessable to a blast, the sudden ignition sucks all the air inward in an implosion (and uses up all the oxygen), then generates huge overpressures as the void is filled. So either you are crushed by the overpressures or killed by suffocation. And even if you manage to live through it, you will be burned severely, deafened, possibly blinded, have smoke damage to your lungs, and yo will be trapped by the collapsed tunnels and rooms that are between you and the entry point.

Thermobarics are a tunnelers worst nightmare.

Other than that, its DEBKA, so very large grain of salt - they exaggerate things nearly as bad as an Arab.

Posted by: Oldspook || 07/19/2006 23:29 Comments || Top||

#48  Indeed, Broadhead6. And more than half of them were expelled from the various Arab countries and Iran after 1948. They would not enjoy the results if the dhimmis they kicked out returned as trained and armed Israelis. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 23:32 Comments || Top||


Hundreds of Iranian Troops Fighting in Lebanon
Hundreds of Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel are on the ground in Lebanon fighting Israel, security sources say. "I have no doubt whatsoever that they are there and operating some of the equipment," an Arab diplomatic source told The New York Sun yesterday.

Another foreign source, based in Washington, said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps contingent in Lebanon is based in Beirut and in the Bekaa Valley. He said the troops usually number a few dozen, but that the size of the force increased in connection with the hostilities that have broken out between Israel and Iran's proxy, Hezbollah, over the past week.

The sources said the Iranians had directly operated a radar-guided C–802 missile that Iran acquired from Communist China and that hit an Israeli navy missile boat off the coast of Lebanon on Friday, killing four Israeli seamen.
"This was a direct message to the Israelis that we are fighting the Iranians here," the Arab diplomatic source said.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard's mission in Lebanon includes keeping custody of Zalzal missiles and drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles. A report by an Israel-based research group, the Intelligence & Terrorism Information Center, identifies the units of Iran's Revolutionary Guard "deployed and active in Lebanon" as the "Al-Quds Force." The Lebanon-based Iranian force "provides military guidance and support for terrorist attacks against Israel," the report says.
They'd be the one's handling the advanced hardware, leaving the simple stuff to Hizballah

President Bush has openly blamed Iran, along with Syria, for sponsoring Hezbollah, but he has stopped short of identifying the presence of Iranian troops in Lebanon. Tomorrow, a senior National Security aide to Mr. Bush, Elliott Abrams, and the undersecretary of state, Nicholas Burns, will chair a meeting at the White House for at least 10 Iranian opposition organizations. The White House has hinted to those invited that President Bush may stop by.

The Iranian government has cheered Hezbollah's actions while at the same time publicly denying the presence of Revolutionary Guards in Iran. Clearing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard from Lebanon has emerged as an unstated, but significant, Israeli war aim. Israelis also are hoping for tougher American and international sanctions on Iran and Syria as punishment for the Iranian and Syrian roles in Hezbollah's kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and raining of missiles on Israeli cities.

The Arab diplomatic source described the leader of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, as "totally subservient" to Iran. "How more forceful can I put it?" he said.

In New York on Monday, Senator McCain, a Republican of Arizona who sits on the Armed Services Committee, said the Iranians had supplied Hezbollah with arms, equipment, training, and 10,000 rockets. He said he did not see how Hezbollah would have captured Israeli soldiers without "the tacit agreement and maybe support of the Iranians." And Mr. McCain said Iranians have "very heavily penetrated" southern Iraq, "including sending in terrorists" and equipment for the bombs known as improvised explosive devices.

The Hezbollah offensive against Israel followed a summit in Damascus. Reports vary on whether the meeting was attended by Sheik Nasrallah himself or by one of his top political aides, Sheik Hussein Khalil. Others said to be present include the head of Syrian military intelligence, Assef Shawkat, and the Iranian national security adviser, Ali Larijani, who is one of the many high-ranking Iranian officials who have been shuttling between Damascus and Tehran.

The president of the Reform Party of Syria, Farid Ghadry, who opposes the regime in Damascus, said there are indications that Hezbollah and the Iranians and Syrians recently attacked a Lebanese army base, signaling they are expanding their campaign beyond Israeli targets.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 13:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [515 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Since Iran has disavowed them, they don't exist, and if the Israelis capture them, they are under no obligation to declare them.

Of course, if their family receives a picture postcard of their favorite son covered in honey and staked out in a pig pen, well at least they will know what happened to him.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 13:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Make sure hundreds of them die in Lebanon.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/19/2006 13:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Curious how "Arab diplomatic" and "foreign" sources are spreading this. If I were conspiracy minded I'd almost believe some Arab countries are interested in keeping this pot well stirred.
Posted by: Xbalanke || 07/19/2006 14:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Cut their supply line......Damascus.
Posted by: wxjames || 07/19/2006 14:15 Comments || Top||

#5  "This was a direct message to the Israelis that we are fighting the Iranians here," the Arab diplomatic source said.

What's with the "we"? Shouldn't it read "...they are fighting Iranians..."
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 14:19 Comments || Top||

#6  'What's with the "we"? Shouldn't it read "...they are fighting Iranians..." '

unless its a dead giveaway that the arab diplo is Lebanese, and considers himself part of the Israeli fight. ( I suppose an Iraqi could consider himself fighting the Iranians, but then the "here" doesnt make any sense)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 14:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Put a half dozen Popeyes on an Israeli KC-135 and blow up a few Iranian refineries. That also sends a message.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Here = now, at this moment.
We = today it's Israelis, tomorrow it may be Jordanians. We, Non-Iraninas.

That's my understanding.

He verbalizes what seems to be taking place on the ground in ME--the realization of Arab elites that by a strange chain of events, the Israelis are fighting not only for themselves, but also for other ME states.

Hence lies the gargantuan miscalculation on Ahmadinutjob's part. He relied on the presumption that their hate for Israelis is bigger than their hate for Iranians.
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 15:27 Comments || Top||

#9  Looks like Iran gets to test its new toys by fire! They will be making improvements in tactics and hardware after this.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 16:44 Comments || Top||

#10  gorb... or not. ;-)

Depends if Ahmadinutjob is still convinced that he has to pull off the Mahdi option. I think he is. Than would likely mean his goose is cooked by the end of summer as there would be a lot of fireworks that would get him in short order.

If he backs off, then probably some analysis ensues, but his goose would be cooked too, although it may take a bit of time when the mullah oligarchs decide that he is a dangerous nut that may break their gold nest eggs and has to go.
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 17:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Hi, 2x4!

Is Ahmadinahijab really a loose cannon that has nekkid pics of the MMs all together in the same bed, or is he some sort of MM experiment that might allow them to distance themselves from his actions and avoid prosecution?

I'm relatively new here. What's the Mahdi option?
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#12  My understanding, gorb, is that Iran's ruling mullahs divide between those who believe in lying to the West to keep us fat, stupid and happy a bit longer (aka "Moderates") and those who agree with Ahmadenijad (former mayor of Baghdad, leader of the 1979 embassy hostage holders, trainer of minefield-clearing youth battalians during the Iran-Iraq war, etc) that Shiite Iran is destined to re-establish the Caliphate and conquer the world. Understand, the ruling mullahs vet every candidate for election, so the peepul are permitted to choose amongst those who toe the Mullah line. Ahmadinajed personally believes he has been chosen to bring forth the hidden 12th Imam (the Shiite "Returned Messiah" figure), who, like Allah, will be brought into the fight by the violence of his followers, just as Osama bin Laden believed Allah would be forced to join the fight against us non-believers as a result of the 9/11 attacks and our response. Poor Mr. bin Laden must be very puzzled at Allah's tardy response...
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#13  TW: Maybe he's still trying to come up with a suitable punishment for all of them.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 19:29 Comments || Top||

#14  I suspect Allan is not allowed out from hell, don't expect to see him or the three card monte hidden imam trick soon....
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 20:42 Comments || Top||


Leftist Website Claims U.S. Planes Flew Over Tehran
Tehran, 19 July (AKI) - The Farsi-language leftist website Peyknet has claimed in an unconfirmed report that US aircrafts flew over Tehran at dawn on Tuesday, citing anonymous Western sources.
Wasn't me, I was washing my hair.
Edited by former members of the Iranian Communist party, the online paper alleged that the Iranian government kept the news a secret so as not to alarm the population. The website also quoted the same unnamed sources as claiming that some European embassies were studying plans to evacuate their citizens from Tehran in case of a US attack.
Heh heh
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 12:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [422 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nah, really freak them out. Tell 'em it was the Israelis. ;)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/19/2006 13:11 Comments || Top||

#2  From their base in Shangri La.
Posted by: ed || 07/19/2006 13:16 Comments || Top||

#3  It wasn't planes. It was our black helicopters.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/19/2006 13:17 Comments || Top||

#4  That? Just the 12:07 flight out of Diego Garcia. So regular you could set your watch by it.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 07/19/2006 13:18 Comments || Top||

#5  U-2's maybe.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 07/19/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Edited by former members of the Iranian Communist party, the online paper alleged that the Iranian government kept the news a secret so as not to alarm the population because the Iranians cannot shoot our planes down.

That's more like it...
Posted by: Raj || 07/19/2006 13:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Perhaps a few Predators? You know, the early bird gets the worm and all that...
Posted by: IG-88 || 07/19/2006 13:32 Comments || Top||

#8 
Maybe we did, or maybe it was Allan.
Posted by: macofromoc || 07/19/2006 13:35 Comments || Top||

#9  I blame Bush!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/19/2006 13:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Airforce UFOs!
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 13:41 Comments || Top||

#11  please note these are Iranian commies, and so probably hostile to the mullahs, unlike our local far lefties. When youre sitting in Teheran, not everything is about George Bush.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 13:41 Comments || Top||

#12  Karl Rove piloting a CIA ghost jet.
Posted by: Seafarious || 07/19/2006 13:43 Comments || Top||

#13  They should ask the Iraqis. They know all about those "black djinns" that come by night to suck the flesh off of your bones and leave nothing behind but a small puddle of melted fat and feces.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 13:45 Comments || Top||

#14  U.S. Planes Flew Over Tehran

Count on it!
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 14:54 Comments || Top||

#15  Am awaiting confirmation from the NY Slimes.
Posted by: doc || 07/19/2006 15:23 Comments || Top||

#16  NEWS FALSH!!!!!!

The US flies over any country it wants to. 97% of the time we ask and receive permission. The other 3% can't do a thing about it.

Posted by: Armylife || 07/19/2006 16:46 Comments || Top||

#17  ACK! Bad typing skills return to haunt me!!!
Posted by: Armylife || 07/19/2006 16:46 Comments || Top||

#18  Wonder Woman and her invisible jet.
Posted by: newc || 07/19/2006 17:36 Comments || Top||

#19  It's a bird, it's a plane! It's Superman, always there to save us from nuclear weapons!

Posted by: Jesing Ebbease3087 || 07/19/2006 18:40 Comments || Top||

#20  Someone said the northern lights must have been visible pretty far south.
Posted by: Oldspook || 07/19/2006 19:30 Comments || Top||

#21  Jesing Ebbease3087 --

Looks like those Idiotic Stem $ells are working already
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 21:39 Comments || Top||

#22  They should ask the Iraqis. They know all about those "black djinns" that come by night to suck the flesh off of your bones and leave nothing behind but a small puddle of melted fat and feces.

Or in AhmadinaHijab's case, a large puddle of feces.
Posted by: gorb || 07/19/2006 23:14 Comments || Top||


IDF after Hizbullah money
A senior Northern Command officer told Ynet Wednesday that IDF ground forces are operating deep inside Lebanese territory and against the 15-20 Hizbullah positions along the border with Israel. AL-Jazeera reported that the Israeli Air Force struck two trucks in Beirut’s al-Ashrafiyeh quarter, marking the first time the IDF has operating against targets located in the capital’s center.

Military sources said warplanes attacked structures in which Hizbullah stores its money; among the targets hit were the four el-Mal (Money house) buildings in Bint Jbeil, Nabatiyeh, Baalbek and the Tyre area. In addition, the “Shahid Fund” financial office in Beirut was also attacked by IAF jets, as were buildings used for Hizbullah financial operations in the capital.
Follow the money, then bomb it

The attacks are aimed at hindering Hizbullah’s ability to recuperate following the conclusion of the IDF operation in Lebanon.

Overnight ground forces also entered west Lebanon, north of Shlomi and Rosh Hanikra, to clear the area of Hizbullah outposts and create a new security situation along the border. Earlier this week IDF forces destroyed two outposts in the northern part of the Rajar village. Officers said that the army aims at weakening Hizbullah by dealing a blow to his military capability. "Hizbullah is amazed by the amount of information Israel has, which has led to great destruction of his capabilities," an officer said.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 11:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Joooos are after the money. Go figure.
Posted by: Mike N. || 07/19/2006 12:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Why do I see angry, seething Soodies as I read this.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 12:03 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm waiting for the New York Times to tell me what the best counter measures are.
Posted by: Hasshole Nastyrallah || 07/19/2006 12:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Hizbullah is amazed by the amount of information Israel has, which has led to great destruction of his capabilities

Hizbullah is probably riddled with informants and spies. True or not, I hope Hizbullah thinks it's riddled with informants and spies.

Trust no one. Not even your cousin Mahmoud.
Posted by: Mike || 07/19/2006 12:14 Comments || Top||

#5  It's not Soddy money, they would die before giving Shia the time of day, it's Mullah Mad Money.
Posted by: Thaviper Chomoting3171 || 07/19/2006 12:16 Comments || Top||

#6  1. regarding the money, a lot of Hizb's money comes from extorting Shia businessmen in the US and Europe; they may get as much this way as they do from Iran. Also, Hizb has several lucrative smuggling operations in Lebanon (drugs, medicine)

2. It may be that some of the IDF intel was provided by Shia prisoner's released to Lebanon in 2004. If so, that would be a nice irony.
Posted by: mhw || 07/19/2006 13:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Trust no one. Not even your cousin milk brother Mahmoud.

There, that's better.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 15:12 Comments || Top||


Syria, Iran determined to protect Hizbullah
The Qatar-based newspaper Al-Watan reported Wednesday that Syria and Iran will cooperate with each other in order to prevent the dissolution of Hizbullah and to preserve its struggle with Israel. According to credible Syrian sources, the newspaper reported, there is an agreement between Damascus and Tehran stating the prevention of either military or political defeat of Hizbullah as paramount, creating a joint Syrian-Iranian stance based on the clear vision that any defeat of Hizbullah is a red line for the both countries.

Both Syria and Iran thoroughly understand that the measure of Hizbullah’s strength against Israel gives precedent to strategic changes in the whole region. The influence of the military confrontation being conducted now, claim the same Syrian sources, extend beyond all geographic borders and have implications for the entire Middle East, from Gaza to Iraq. As such, protecting the “resistance” in Lebanon and the territories is at the center of Damascus’ and Tehran’s strategic decisions.

The sources also added that Hizbullah’s stance against “Israeli aggression” has already resulted in the moral, political, and even strategic defeat of Israel’s security complex, which is currently facing a dangerous crisis. This crisis, they claim, stems from the fact that the IDF has not succeeded to destroy or liquidate Hizbullah, a reality likely to push Israel’s army commanders to widen the circle of confrontation to include Syria and Lebanon as part of their attempts to avoid a political crisis within Israel and criticism of the government and army.

Other Syrian sources claim that if IDF commanders dare to widen the confrontation, Israel will suffer a widened front from Tehran to Damascus, necessitating a regional, and perhaps even international, confrontation. The consequences of such a confrontation will not be to the advantage of Israel or the United States. According to the sources, there is the possibility that “the region will become a boundless hell.”

Damascus and Tehran are closely following the developments in Lebanon and are prepared to get involved, if needed, to protect Hizbullah or to prevent the imposition of “suspicious” political agreements or conditions on them. The sources added that there are regional attempts, international and even Lebanese, to accept Israel’s conditions and to implement Security Council Resolution 1559, which entails disarmament of Hizbullah and extricating the organization from the conflict. The sources emphasized that this will never happen especially because, from their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel, be it in Lebanon or in the territories.

It should be noted that today’s reports are in accordance with a report published yesterday in London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat. They also reinforce estimations in Israel that Iran is willing to do anything to keep Hizbullah on its feet after the current confrontation, just as Iran has done in past years, with the goal of rehabilitating the organization of the “Judgment Day” against Israel.

This morning, a diplomatic source in Tel Aviv confirmed to ynet that Jordan passed a harsh Israeli warning on to Syria in regards to its involvement in the fighting in Lebanon, namely its aid to Hizbullah. The source mentioned that Israel has also asked the Egyptians to send a similar message to Syria, but it is unclear if it did so. Israel pointed out in their warning that the Syrians are arming Hizbullah and acting as middlemen between them and the Iranians. It was also notified the Syrians that Israel has located a number of weapon convoys on their way from Syria to Lebanon and that meetings between Hizbullah and Iranian representatives continue to take place in Damascus.

The source could not say if the Israeli warning was accompanied by an explicit threat of military action against Syria, but it is known that Israel also warned them about turning a blind eye to the activities of other organizations, mainly Palestinian, in the Golan Heights.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 11:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [292 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Um, hurry up guys.

Not that I don't enjoy bravely hiding in ny bunker.
Posted by: Hasshole Nastyrallah || 07/19/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Shit, this is great news, if true. The M.E. crap can finally, after 60 years of half-measures and grief for Israel, come to a head.

If Iranian complicity becomes public enough for even the willful idjits to finally acknowledge what we all know is going on, then it will be inescapable: time to deal a death blow to Achmedjihadi and Khameni. Assad's just a gopher and Tehran tool.

Does Iran have any deliverable nukes?

That is THE question.

If not, then they're fucked. Endgame.

If so, then they must be pre-emptively destroyed.
Posted by: Flomolet Phavimp1064 || 07/19/2006 12:35 Comments || Top||

#3  “the region will become a boundless hell.”

Well, that's OK with me I guess. I don't live in the area.
Posted by: WhiteCollarRedneck || 07/19/2006 12:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Sounds like an a strategic agreement to issue joint press releases.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 12:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Dire press realeases before dire revenge.
Posted by: Inspector Clueso || 07/19/2006 13:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Its not a shithole boundless hell already?
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#7  Iran's big threat has always been to unleash hizbollah on Israel. So what now?
Posted by: Hupelet Sleregum2639 || 07/19/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#8  Iran is taking measure of Israeli weaknesses and strengths while fighting the proxy Hez before entering the fray.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 14:59 Comments || Top||

#9  Pay attention to the news releases in the next couple of weeks.

Thats all I can say right now......

Posted by: Armylife || 07/19/2006 16:49 Comments || Top||

#10  To the last Lebanese.
Posted by: gromgoru || 07/19/2006 17:00 Comments || Top||

#11  WE always do, Armylife. Happy hunting!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 17:13 Comments || Top||


Interior Minister Says Trucks Must Stay Off Roads Or Risk Targeting
Beirut, 19 July (AKI) - Lebanese Interior Minister Hamad Fatfat on Wednesday warned truckdrivers to keep their vehicles off the country's roads to avoid becoming targets of Israeli bombings. Israeli aircraft which Wednesday strafed Lebanese territory for the sixth straight day have recently been concentrating their attacks on trucks which Israel says could be used to transport rockets and other weapons used by Hezbollah guerrillas. On Wednesday morning Israeli fire hit two trucks in Beirut's Christian Ashrafiyye district. The trucks were however not carrying weapons but irrigation and drilling equipment instead.

Meanwhile Syria has denied Israeli claims that it is sending weapons and supplies to Hezbollah under the guise of convoys carrying humanitarian aid for lebanon. A Syrian government source also accused the Israelis of targeting a convoy carrying medical supplies from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) which, it said was traveling under the banner of the Red Crescent relief organisation.
The Red Crescent in the UAE also condemned the incident, saying that the attack on iits convoy in Lebanon was a violation by the Israelis of international norms governing humanitarian aid distribution.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 08:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [289 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is quickly turning into a CHARLIE FOXTROT.
Posted by: ARMYGUY || 07/19/2006 9:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Irrigation and drilling equiptment? suuuuurree

How smart would it be to carry long cylindrical materials in your truck bed on a Lebavese road right now?
(Assuming it wasn't Hezb rockets, and I'm betting it was)
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 9:55 Comments || Top||

#3  The trucks were however not carrying weapons but irrigation and drilling equipment instead.

A truck carrying long cylindrical objects and the framework to set them upright? Unfortunate, but an easy mistake to make in a war zone. Assuming this is true. Were they on their way to a wedding party?

As for the ambulances, how about a peek inside? Given the arab fondness for deceit and treachery, color me sceptical.
Posted by: SteveS || 07/19/2006 10:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Hamad Fatfat? I'm sorry, that just sings, LOL.

Irrigation and drilling equipment? Puhleeze.

Red Crescent? Medical supplies? Heh. Tough shit, regardless.

ROFL. The usual script of Classic Islamic Taqiya and Classic Arab BS. Grab a clue, asshats: it's WAR.
Posted by: Snimp Ebbinelet1809 || 07/19/2006 10:07 Comments || Top||


Nasrallah threatens Tel Aviv, blah blah etc.
BEIRUT, Lebanon, July 19 (UPI) -- As many as 500 Hezbollah missiles will target Tel Aviv soon, but residents will be given one hour's notice to flee, a Palestinian news agency reports.

"Hassan Nasrallah will address the people of Tel Aviv and warn them to evacuate the city within one hour," the Ma'an report said. "As soon as the delay ends, hundreds of heavy missiles will start landing in the city, which has been divided into squares in order to let damage reach every inch of the city. An estimated 500 missiles are expected to land in Tel Aviv in a short period of time."

Sources told the news agency other "surprises" planned by Hezbollah include more kidnappings of Israeli soldiers...
When Hezb threatens like this, you know Israel is winning.
Posted by: mhw || 07/19/2006 08:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [286 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And a 1 hour notice will give IDF enough time for some blanket bombing. But it's the thought that counts - oh, and the TeeWee appearance. Pls do "address" the people of Tel Aviv. Live please. And with location-identifying background shots.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 07/19/2006 8:53 Comments || Top||

#2  I love that they verbally prove Israel right every time they open thier mouth. What country in thier right mind would let one party of a country have weapons like this on thier border? Would we allow a Mexican gang on our southern border with weapons like this?
Posted by: plainslow || 07/19/2006 9:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Just heard that Hezbollah attacked and killed two people in Nazareth. On top of that, the deaths were supposedly in the reputed boy-hood home of Jesus.
Posted by: Charles || 07/19/2006 10:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Anybody remember Hamas? :-)
Posted by: Sloluger Unomotch6862 || 07/19/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#5  doesn't Israel have anything larger to throw at these animals than 155mm cannon rounds? Don't they have rockets too, big ones? Why the hell don't they burn that dump? I don't understand.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/19/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#6  bigjim-ky, they do, but the ROE is not to waste ammo on uncertain targets. They want to be sure that when they deploy something bigger, it wouldn't be just for sound effects.
Posted by: twobyfour || 07/19/2006 18:47 Comments || Top||


SALT TO TASTE - Debka: secret strikes.
Debka attempts to become the New York Times of Israel
DEBKAfile Exclusive: Israel’s ground operations in Lebanon and strikes against Syria are clandestine and go well beyond official statements. Israeli spokesmen speak only of small ground crossings into the south and air strikes against several war material trucks crossing in from Syria. However, according to DEBKAfile’s military sources, those ground incursions extend to central and eastern Lebanon as well as the south, targeting Hizballah strongholds and launching sites, and include several cross-border raids into Syria in pursuit of fleeing Hizballah terrorists and for the interception of incoming groups. Weapons convoys destined for Hizballah are also being struck on the Syrian side of the border. To conceal the extent of their losses, Hizballah has instructed its people not to hold burials.
Well, it's not like Hizballah doesn't already know there's a Jooooo plotting behind every tree. It's just now they've got guns and laser targeting gear.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/19/2006 08:13 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [317 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, the msm cable channels reported yesterday or perhaps the day before that Israeli wartime censorship was in effect for the media. At the time, the newscasters were simply focused on showing damage in Israel, but I suppose operations like this would be subject to censorship, too. Wel'll see if this is confirmed.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 07/19/2006 8:30 Comments || Top||

#2  You guys are obsessed with salting Debka, obsessed I tell ya. No wonder the dead sea has 6 times the salt content of sea water, what with all the run off from the Rantburg salting.

You just make sure you keep that salt away from my fried peanut butter and nanner sammiches tho.
Posted by: Evil Elvis || 07/19/2006 9:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the IDF was doing air-mobile assaults to destroy isolated pockets of HA. It's what I'd do if I were me - air to kill the launchers and stop movement and resupply, air-assault against whatever presents itself, and finally ground forces to clean up.

Remember that Hezballah *wants* and is ready for the glory of a big battle againsts Israeli 'invaders'. Like Sun Tzu says, never box with boxers or wrestle with wrestlers.
Posted by: SteveS || 07/19/2006 9:11 Comments || Top||

#4  I prefer "Never bring a knife to a gunfight" myself....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/19/2006 9:36 Comments || Top||

#5  My rule for Debka is that they usually are pretty close for local military actions, unless politics is involved. Their accuracy takes a dive the further they are away from Israel/Palestine. They have no grasp whatsoever of US politics or military affairs.

I wish that Mossad would set up a front website like Debka, to get out the Mossad take on things, that is, to publicize info they wanted to get out but the MSM didn't. Such a site would have all sorts of uses.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/19/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#6  The more missles that hit Israel, the more pissed off Israel is going to be. I don't believe Hezbollah is on a suicide mission, so I'm of the belief that Iran is giving the orders and the weapons. Israel is doing the world a favor by targeting Hezbollah and eliminating them.
These are happy times.
Posted by: wxjames || 07/19/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#7  It's what I'd do if I were me

So who are you then, O entity claiming to be SteveS? ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 15:16 Comments || Top||

#8  In this case, DEBKA is probably stating the obvious. Israel has special forces. One wouldn't be surprised if they are being used.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/19/2006 15:42 Comments || Top||

#9  SALT TO TASTE - Debka: secret strikes.

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Following strenuous morning workouts, Tiger Woods is eating Swedish Pancakes, Lingonberries and powdered sugar are also said to be potentially involved.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 15:51 Comments || Top||


Israeli jets cut road linking Lebanon and Syria
BEIRUT - Israeli warplanes on Tuesday bombarded the main road linking Lebanon and Syria, cutting off the route which has been the main passage used by thousands trying to flee Lebanon, police said.

Israeli jets have repeatedly bombed the road since starting the offensive against Lebanon last week, but up to now traffic had been able to navigate around the damage. Israel is saying it was targeting roads and bridges to prevent movement by Hezbollah.

Thousands of Lebanese and foreigners have been using the road to escape Lebanon. Spain, Greece and other countries have been busing their nationals to Damascus to be flown out of the region. A convoy of ambulances carrying rockets and ammo donated by the United Arab Emirates which had been travelling from Syria to Beirut was forced to turn around, the craters in the road making further travel impossible.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [278 views] Top|| File under:

#1  22 IDF IR Gun camera vids, some with multiple targets.

see Hezbollah Beirut buildings go down..bridges..rocket sites [hezzies run but can't hide!]...IDF MLRS.. etc. etc.

these five stand out.

katyusha_130..

shidur384k...

avir256k_str

mlrs_16...

ramat_david

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AKTAACN4
or
http://www.sendspace.com/file/56ko9g
Posted by: RD || 07/19/2006 1:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Lebanese honcho is demanding Israel pay to fix all the stuff they broke. Funny thing is Israel might actually do it if Lebanon is 'clean', and behaves politely - but not if you're get all demanding and bitchy about it.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/19/2006 21:24 Comments || Top||

#3  We'll leave cab fare on the dresser, but only if you get that infection taken care of
Posted by: IDF/IAF || 07/19/2006 22:32 Comments || Top||


4 Indian warships to dock at Beirut for evacuation
Four Indian Navy warships will dock at Beirut on Wednesday morning to help, if required, in the evacuation of the estimated 12,000 Indians living in the country, facing the brunt of Israeli ground and air strikes after the Shia Islamic Hezbollah movement abducted two Israeli soldiers on July 12.

The four warships - destroyer INS Mumbai, guided missile frigates INS Brahmaputra and INS Betwa, and auxiliary fleet tanker INS Shakti - were "exiting" the Suez Canal after a successful overseas deployment mission when they were asked to "turn back" and head for the Lebanese coast.

"Evacuation, of course, is voluntary. It will depend on the people (many of whom work in olive plantations) who want to leave Lebanon. If the number is around 800-1,000, then our warships can bring them all the way back to India," said the officer.

"But if the numbers are large, then the warships will run shuttle services to nearby ports like Larnaca in Cyprus," he added.

Posted by: john || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [287 views] Top|| File under:

#1  12,000 Indians?? I can understand that most of the 25,000 US passport holders are really Lebanese, but what are so many Indians doing there? Surely Lebanon can provide its own doctors and computer programmers, and unskilled labourers!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 7:56 Comments || Top||

#2  well, since one-sixth of the world is indian, it's likely they are just everywhere, even Lebanon.
Posted by: sludge || 07/19/2006 8:11 Comments || Top||

#3  So we can expect to find, what, 14-15,000 Chinese there?

:)
Posted by: Ebbock Hupoling3283 || 07/19/2006 8:17 Comments || Top||

#4  well, thanks for blowing my crazy logic to bits... but then again, there just might be that many chinese there.

Posted by: sludge || 07/19/2006 8:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Cheap labor, sending remittences home. There are Indians all over Saudi and the Gulf States, and the sheikhs go to Lebanon to play, so I'm not too surprised some Indians found their way here, too.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 07/19/2006 8:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Lol, sludge, I was just funnin' with you - you're probably correct in your speculation as they do export almost anyone who's 98.6 and, more or less, willing to work abroad.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was one very lonely Esquimeaux somewhere in there, too. :)
Posted by: Ebbock Hupoling3283 || 07/19/2006 8:51 Comments || Top||

#7  first time Indian Navy has entered the Med?

longer term implications?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 07/19/2006 10:03 Comments || Top||

#8  Not first time LH, but got there pretty damn quick.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 14:23 Comments || Top||

#9  As a result of the trouble that Lebanon has been experiencing since the early 90's, there is a tremendous amount of expatriot Lebanese, professional and business, spread throughtout the West and have aquired dual citizenship . Many of these folks or their families have returned over recent years as temporary residents or visitors. All of a sudden thousands want to leave.

Canada alone is looking at 25000 to 40000 human shieldsevacuees. the scope of this evacuation will overshadow war talk in the next few days. Beruit's Dunkirk.
Posted by: john || 07/19/2006 14:52 Comments || Top||

#10  Wonder if they'll load those Indian naval vessels the way they do trains.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 15:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Nimble: might be doable if it's for a short hop to Cyprus. Hanging over the bow of the ship might get hairy for a long trip back to India...
Posted by: sludge || 07/19/2006 15:22 Comments || Top||

#12  When Saddam invaded Kuwait, India evacuated 150 000 of its citizens from Kuwait, Saudi and Iraq.




Posted by: john || 07/19/2006 18:37 Comments || Top||


IDF reports 12 roads to Syria attacked on Tuesday
The IDF attacked 12 access routes connecting Lebanon and Syria throughout Tuesday in order to prevent the transfer of war materiel to Hizbullah fighters in southern Lebanon, the army said. In addition, IAF fighters bombed a vehicle carrying a Katyusha launcher. In all, 52 targets were struck by aircraft on Tuesday.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [282 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "THe way is shut. You cannot pass."
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 11:06 Comments || Top||


IAF jets bomb targets near Beirut airport
Two big explosions reverberated over Beirut early Wednesday, and missiles hit towns to the east and south of the capital in new overnight strikes. The explosions appeared to be from hits in Beirut's southern suburbs, a Hizbullah stronghold badly devastated since Israel launched its military blitz against Lebanon last week. There was no immediate word on what was hit or casualties.

In separate attacks, missiles also hit Chuweifat - a coastal town where several factories are located, just south of the capital, near the airport - and Hadath, a mainly Christian town just east of Beirut, local television said. Israeli warplanes also struck a bridge in the southern city of Sidon and houses in two other southern villages, local media reported. There was no immediate word on casualties in any of the airstrikes.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [288 views] Top|| File under:


IAF foils rocket transports from Syria
Although Hizbullah has suffered a harsh blow from Israeli air force strikes which took out a good percentage of their available weapons, Syria was continuing to smuggle arms into Lebanon to rearm the group, IDF Operations Branch Head Major General Gadi Eisenkot said during a press briefing Tuesday. Thus far, the IAF managed to intercept a number of trucks transporting rockets from Syria to Hizbullah, including trucks laden with the 220mm-diameter rockets with warheads like the one that hit the Haifa train depot Monday, claiming eight lives. Maj.-Gen. Eisenkot said he would be very surprised if official elements in Syria were unaware of these transports.
"Very surprised," prob'ly, to the point of clasping his chest and keeling over...
“These are rockets that belong to the Syrian army. You can’t find them in the Damascus market, and the Syrian government is responsible for this smuggling,” Eisenkot said, but stressed, “We are not operating against Syria or the Lebanese army.”
At least not yet. When Hezbollah's about to go under and Syrian "volunteers" come to offer "fraternal assistance," maybe so...
During the briefing, Maj.-Gen. Eisenkot said the IDF has hit over 1,000 targets, 180 of them Katyusha and rocket storage sites and 350 launch sites. Over 250 missile strikes were carried out with the aim of blocking traffic arteries, and 200 buildings used by Hizbullah were hit. According to Eisenkot, Israel’s offensive would continue without time limitations. “With that, we always operate under the principle of a short fighting period. In the short term, this is a complicated reality for civilians too, but in the long term this operation holds great importance for all of us,” he noted. He added that senior Hizbullah leaders were hiding out in underground bunkers. “We struck a number of mid-level operatives in the organization, and not in the numbers we wished, but our energies have been aimed at taking out weapons stores and rocket launchers,” he said.
Since Hassan and company are approximately 42 feet from the center of the earth...
At the briefing, IAF Commander Brig. Gen. Amir Eshel presented footage of an army aircraft scoring a direct hit on a truck laden with rockets, and noted that the truck was disguised as a civilian vehicle in order not to be identified. “We are faced with very complex operations here, which demand excellent intelligence information. To thwart this, we are blocking the Lebanon-Syria border, and warplanes are constantly flying over the area,” he said. He noted that as time passes, the air force was becoming familiar with the enemy and its operations were therefore becoming more sophisticated and efficient. The IDF was continuing to destroy Hizbullah bases within one kilometer of the border that were built over the past six years since the army withdrew from Lebanon. Residents of southern Lebanese villages, where rockets were being fired from, had been asked to leave the area, officials noted at the briefing.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the PFLP-GC is faring. And whether Ein el-Hellhole's been struck.
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [782 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For Christ f*cking sakes, please stop calling artillery rockets Katyushkas. Katyushka are a relic of WWII and are not made anymore.

Likely the Grad 122mm, and now the Urugan 220mm artillery rockets are being used by Hezbollah.
Posted by: badanov || 07/19/2006 0:37 Comments || Top||

#2  But "Katyushka" is so much more fun to say!
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 07/19/2006 2:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Bad - Heh. Trying to get the MSM to be militarily literate. Kinda like trying to get a dog to learn physics.
Posted by: PBMcL || 07/19/2006 2:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Bad, this is the same media that calls AK-74s "submachine guns" and any APC with a cupola-mounted grenade launcher "a tank". They are lucky to be able to identify aircraft as not being submarines, and that is on a good day.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 07/19/2006 2:59 Comments || Top||

#5  You would think they would gain some familiarity and knowledge of weapons that have taken so many of their colleagues lives. But I suppose when it comes to military matters, ignorance remains bliss.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 6:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Beosoker-
And therein lies the rub...to acknowledge these things is to acknowledge that there is a need in the world for people with competence in such things.

And they'd sooner die.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/19/2006 6:54 Comments || Top||

#7  whether Ein el-Hellhole's been struck

Would it look any different if it had been?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/19/2006 7:59 Comments || Top||

#8  please stop calling artillery rockets Katyushkas.

Heh, indeed. Far be it from me to excuse or defend the abysmal media ignorance of matters military, but I think we are seeing one of those linguistic constructs where the name of a specific product or brand, like Kleenex or Band-Aid, becomes a generic term for the whole category. Katyusha is becoming a generic term for any big-ass rail-launched bottle rocket.

That, and the media ignorance thing somebody mentioned.
Posted by: SteveS || 07/19/2006 8:35 Comments || Top||

#9  If they'd sooner die than perhaps they should, and decrease the surplus population.
Posted by: Ebenezer Scrooge || 07/19/2006 8:44 Comments || Top||

#10  Katyusha and rocket storage sites and 350 launch sites

Wonder how many of those 12-15k rockets were blown sky high with the attacks on these locations.
Posted by: Charles || 07/19/2006 9:42 Comments || Top||

#11  Those really big boom thingies . . .
Posted by: ex-lib || 07/19/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#12  "Barrage rockets" is admirably descriptive.
Posted by: mojo || 07/19/2006 11:07 Comments || Top||

#13  You can’t find them in the Damascus market,
Gotta disagree with that. If there is such a thing as a For Sale Nuke the Damascus market is where I'd look.
Posted by: 6 || 07/19/2006 14:26 Comments || Top||


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Pakistani militants accused of taking over Afghan townIAF foils rocket transports from SyriaIDF troops move into Mughazi refugee campFatah Official’s Gaza Home AttackedSuicide bomber kills 59 in IraqSomali pirates free captivesOver 188 Afghan refugees, Taliban guerillas arrested in PakistanViolence ahead of DR Congo poll
Posted by: Fred || 07/19/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [303 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Checkmate
Posted by: Captain America || 07/19/2006 0:20 Comments || Top||

#2  I believe I might be able to actually enjoy NASCAR if... oh well.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/19/2006 5:37 Comments || Top||

#3  As we used to say, a healthly corn-fed young lady. Much prefered to the stick figures you see today.
Posted by: Steve || 07/19/2006 8:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I just noticed - there's some writing on the Defender-Scimitar, too....
Posted by: Frank G || 07/19/2006 9:52 Comments || Top||

#5  One Girl's Confession

Maybe I'm bad...but what makes you so good?

"Men are all alike, their faces are just different so you can tell them apart."
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/19/2006 9:58 Comments || Top||



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