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Down Under
Mark Steyn: The short man stands tall
Snippet. RTWT. Paean to a great leader
But Howard, for a man routinely described as having no charisma, manages to hit just the right tone. The French got all the attention in the days after September 11 with that Le Monde headline — "Nous sommes tous Americains" — but even at the time I preferred Howard's take: "There's no point in a situation like this being an 80 per cent ally."

You can take that one to the bank. The "we are all Americans" stuff turned out to be not quite as straightforward as at first glance, and masked a ton of nuance, evasion, sly Yank-bashing and traditional Gallic duplicitousness as ripe as an old camembert wrapped in Dominique de Villepin's poetry. Even when they were touting that headline, the French were never more than 34 per cent allies. By comparison, that ABC radio interview three years ago where Howard did the 80 per cent riff is brimming with great material. I especially liked this bit: "I'm sure the Americans will behave in a targeted yet lethal fashion."
A comment worthy of a Rantburger
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:54:31 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well he got my vote. Didn't even have to think about it. There was no competition. Same for the rest of Australia. National security followed by good economic management, were the keys.
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Once again, with feeling, God bless Australia!
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#3  America LOVES Australia!!!!

And I love Steyn. If I loved him more, I'd have to raise his children.

Great article. But I was a bit disturbed by his need to slam on GW. Sure, he's not the world's best orator. But actions are greater than words. And a super-master of words should appreciate that.
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#4  I was a bit disturbed by his need to slam on GW. Sure, he's not the world's best orator

Perhaps because if Bush's friends won't tell him what a disaster he (nearly) was during the first debate, he'll never straighten up and fly right in time to win the election. Steyn is doing Bush a favor.

Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Lex, I disagree. It's cool to beat up on GW. I do it myself sometimes in order to loosen up my opponets and make them more apt to listen to me.

That being said, it's easy to complain about leaders, because they are just human and no one is perfect. But Bush has done a good job. No terrorist attacks (yet.) low interest rates, recovering economy, etc. etc. yada, yada.

Is he perfect? No. Do I disagree with him on some things? Yes. Is there anyone ...anywhere.. that I would agree with 100% of the time. No. I think for myself -thank you.

Bottom line is, it's easy to bash plain-speaking Bush, in order to make oneself feel "nuanced" and distanced from the Trent Lott wing of the party. But the bottom line is, good leadership is evidenced by results - not by suave bullshit. Bush isn't good with the suave bullshit - but he's good with results.

To stick with the theme of this article - his results have been targeted - yet lethal. I'm proud to say that I can see that he has been a good leader - despite the unpopularity of saying so. But I don't need a self-esteem boost in order to acknowledge that he's doing a very good job.
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#6  I doubt that Steyn would disagree with anything you said. But the piece was on Howard, and appeared in an Australian newspaper, and therefore it's totally appropriate to allow the readers a little pleasure in noting the ways that their man compares favorably to both Bush and Blair.

We're a strong country. Bush is a fairly strong individual. Both he and we can tolerate some friendly gibes now and then.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:43 Comments || Top||

#7  fair enough.
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#8  BTW, "Iraq was barely mentioned as a campaign issue," is most definitely not true. The media lost no opportunity to raise Iraq, including trying to pretend some non-news was breaking headline stuff. Early in the election campaign Labour brought Iraq all the time. About halfway through they suddenly shut up about Iraq. They are now saying becuase their polling told them it was a vote loser.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 19:32 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Flag flap in political spotlight
EFL...
Conservative icon Newt Gingrich met with a group of rebellious Sonoma high school students Saturday, saying he was proud of them for defying a ban on flags in their senior class photo. Gingrich, the Georgia Republican who engineered a GOP takeover of the House of Representatives in 1994, was in Sonoma County for a speaking engagement Saturday night. He also met with 10 seniors from Sonoma Valley High School, where two students were suspended and a third faces the same fate after refusing to surrender American flags during the class photo session.

Brandon Downs, 17, said school officials didn't object when students wore shirts with beer logos, although he noted "that's against school rules." Camille Wiles, 17, said Latino students wanted to display Mexican flags in previous years, and teachers told her the school wanted to prevent any problems by banning all flags. The students said school officials told them the class picture wouldn't be sold, and none would be taken next year. After hearing the students describe how they pulled more flags out of their pockets as soon as teachers came up behind them and took them away, Gingrich said: "You guys are pretty persistent." He added: "Anti-flag control. That's fairly Looney Tunes."
"Thay! I rethent that!"
"That s-s-s-statement is unfair!"
"I weally, weally think you're wong, Mr. Gingwich!"
"Now you've gone and hurt our feelings, Doc!"

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Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 9:54:13 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Geez - I guess I'm getting old. I remember starting each schoolday off pledging allegiance to the flag - in Ohio. Something tells me that pledging allegiance might no longer be such a ubiquitous event.

Pathetic.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 10/18/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Liberal moral equivalence. American flag = Mexican flag...in America.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#3 

"School officials already have grumbled about the media attention..."

Guess what guys? Better get used to it, it's not over yet.

Posted by: Old Grouch || 10/18/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Putin the Pragmatist
Say what you will about Vladimir but I think Bush was dead-on when he said that this was a guy he could work with.
Russian President Vladimir Putin, siding with President Bush two weeks before the U.S. election, said Monday that armed attacks in Iraq were staged by "international terrorism" out to block his re-election. "The attacks of international terrorism in Iraq are directed not only at international coalition forces but at President Bush personally," said Putin, speaking in the Tajik capital. "International terrorism has given itself the goal of causing maximum damage to Bush in the election battle, the goal of blocking the re-election of Bush for a second presidential term," he told a news conference.

Putin's comments, ahead of the Nov. 2 election in which Democratic challenger John Kerry and Bush are fighting a close race, seemed a reward to the U.S. President for his personal friendship and valuable support. The strong support he enjoys from Bush since quickly backing the U.S. war on terrorism following the Sept. 11 hijacked plane attacks in the United States has helped him withstand other criticism from the United States and the West over his democratic record at home. Despite making clear he wanted to see Bush returned to the White House, the pragmatic Putin carefully balanced his comments by adding: "We will, of course, respect any choice by the American people." Last June, Putin made clear for the first time he would like to see Bush back in the White House, accusing the Democrats of hypocrisy for attacking the U.S. leader on Iraq, saying the Clinton administration had been responsible for the 1999 air attacks on Yugoslavia.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/18/2004 9:53:19 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Say what you will about Vladimir but I think Bush was dead-on when he said that this was a guy he could work with.

I agree.
Posted by: Atropanthe || 10/18/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Say what you will about Vladimir

It is amazing how peoples get the leadership they deserve. Putin does not seem inappropriate for Russia.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Let's not forget the game plan drawn up by the Al-Qaeda Jihadi on the day Baghdad fell and which included this quote:
"Under these circumstances it will not be wrong that the interests of Muslims should meet with the interests of socialists in fighting against the crusaders though we reject them and say that the socialists are infidels. The legitimacy of those ideologies has fallen a long time ago. The socialists are infidels wherever they may be, in Baghdad or in Eden. The fighting that is going on or about to come up highly resembles the Muslims fighting of the Romans in the past. The meeting of interests in not harmful, for the Muslims fighting with the Romans intersected with interests of the Persians and this did not inconvenience the prophet's followers."
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Buy off Russia's nuclear industry and get Russia out of Iran's corner. $4B, $6B - whatever, the price is peanuts.

And drive greater cooperation with not just Russia but also India. Their cooperation and support re Iran means far more to us than anything France, Germany or even Tony will provide.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 12:24 Comments || Top||

#5  I think the passage could just have easily read like this:

"Under these circumstances it will not be wrong that the interests of Russians should meet with the interests of Americans in fighting against the Islamic crusaders. We reject the Islamic crusaders because the the legitimacy of those ideologies has fallen a long time ago. The fighting that is going on or about to come up highly resembles the Russians fighting with the Americans against the Germans in the past. The meeting of interests in not harmful, for the Russians fighting with the Americans intersected with interests of the communists and this did not inconvenience Stalins followers."
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||


Europe
France finds big Eta arms dumps
French police have discovered two big caches of arms thought to belong to the Basque separatists Eta. The weapons found in Urrunge and Saint-Pierre d'Irrube in southwestern France included dynamite, rocket launchers, assault weapons and fake documents. The discovery on Sunday follows recent key arrests of alleged Eta leaders in raids in France and Spain. Eleven people, including suspected Eta leader Mikel Albizu, have been indicted by a Paris judge. Spanish authorities consider the arrests made during the raids on 3 October and the discovery of arms caches as possibly the most significant blow against Eta in years.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero told El Pais newspaper on Sunday: "I think we are closer to the end of the violence". Sunday's operation uncovered an impressive arsenal of weapons. In Urrunge, police are said to have found 30 mortars, about 30 machine pistols, 20 assault rifles, 30 handguns, 48 anti-tank rocket launchers and 70,000 bullets. In Saint-Pierre d'Irrube, they discovered 25 kilograms of dynamite and 30 detonators, an anti-tank rocket launcher, about 60 pistols and 20 assault rifles and around 23,000 bullets.
That's one impressive gun collection.
Eta has been fighting for more than 30 years for an independent Basque state.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 9:46:37 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Funny how the frogs can find this stuff now that Zappy has gone supine.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Why do they have all this crap? They never use it. All ETA seems to do is booby-trap a car to blow up some poor traffic cop on his way to work in the morning.

Maybe they just pile it up in the "secret hideout" and take their girlfriends to see it on Saturday night to impress them.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/18/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Why do they have all this crap?

Weapons stash is for the day they rise up to seize power after they get the Spanish government to agree to a seperate Basque state. Can't take the chance they might not get elected to run that state.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Funny how the frogs can find this stuff now that Zappy has gone supine.

It's one of the many member benefits you get when you join the French Club.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/18/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Brave Mujahideen Attack Five Christian Churches in Baghdad
From Jihad Unspun
Mujahideen rocked five Christian churches in four Baghdad neighborhoods early Saturday detonating bombs at five churches in a series of explosions from 4:20 a.m. to 6 a.m. [no date]. No casualties were reported in what is said to be have been a final warning to Iraq's Christian community.

Sources close to the Mujahideen have communicated their reasons for the attacks to be that in the Christians have aligned themselves with the US-backed government and the US, rather than rejecting the occupation of the country. Iraq is a Muslim country made up of approximately 26 million Muslims and Christian's number about 700,000. While the Christian ordinarily enjoy the protection of the Mujahideen Iraq is now at war and the Christians have enjoined the coalition by working for Iraqi government ministries and groups set up by coalition authorities.

Iraq's Christians have been warned in the past by the Mujahideen, along with all Muslim in Iraq, not to support the puppet regime headed by the former CIA operative and apostate Iyaad Allawi but rather to voice support for the people of Iraq who are resisting the Crusader occupation. As the Christian communities have declared their support to both the current US-backed government, the previous Iraqi government and the USA publicly, they are now considered legitimate targets. Indeed it appears that Saturday blasts at multiple locations were to be a final warning. While mainstream media are slyly linking the bombings to the start of the month of Ramadan, it's unlikely that anyone disputes the fact that this is a war on Islam.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/18/2004 8:47:23 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My advice would be to swap the 700,000 christians in Iraq for the 2.8 million muslims in America!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 22:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Campaign literature mistakenly sent home with third graders
"Tut tut. Merely an accidental bit of propagandizing..."
Presidential debate number three is in the books, and most polls show the race a dead heat. Thursday, the Missoula School District studied how documents promoting the democratic ticket ended up going home to parents of third-graders at Hawthorne Elementary. School officials are already apologizing for what they call an honest mistake. Hawthorne Principal Steve McHugh: "It's a whoops, it's a mistake. We're sorry -- Missoula, we're sorry."

This was not meant for parent's eyes. But, pro-Democrat literature accidentally went home with third-grade students from Hawthorne Elementary. McHugh: "It was definitely a mistake. Certainly we're sorry that it happened, we're certainly not trying as a school district or Hawthorne school to tell people who to vote for." The paperwork is from the Missoula Unified Political Action Committee for Education. It supports state and national democratic candidates for office. Officials say the information was intended for teachers, not students. McHugh: "It is very clear to people in the district that work for the district that you are not to do anything that will try to persuade anybody when you're working for the school district during the day." It's a simple error that shows how careful educators have to be to keep political views out of school discussion. Both parents and school officials say they understand why this happened, and believe there was no intentional wrongdoing. Principal McHugh says he apologized to the 14 families that received the paperwork.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:37:49 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Following Zarqawi's footsteps to Iran
The Bush administration has repeatedly fingered Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi—self-confessed beheader of U.S. hostage Nicholas Berg and other Western captives—as a critical link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. In the vice presidential debate, Dick Cheney said that after U.S. forces attacked Afghanistan seeking to roust Osama bin Laden, al-Zarqawi "migrated to Baghdad." But other U.S. officials say the Jordanian terrorist's contacts in neighboring Iran are probably more extensive than any dealings he had with Saddam.

Sources close to Jordanian intelligence say al-Zarqawi has gone back and forth across the Iran-Iraq border since Saddam's regime fell. According to a Jordanian intelligence briefing made available to NEWSWEEK, al-Zarqawi crossed the Iranian border after being wounded in Afghanistan in late 2001, was treated, then stayed in an Iranian safe house in the same town as fugitive Qaeda leaders. Later al-Zarqawi traveled to northern Iraq, Syria and Turkey. But he supposedly returned to Iran around March 2002, at which point he was "arrested" by Iranian authorities. Some Jordanian investigators believe that a high-ranking Iranian intel official then established a relationship with him to provide aid.

U.S. officials say that al-Zarqawi was escorted by Iranian authorities to the border with Iraq and expelled in the spring of 2002. Bush aides say he then allegedly spent several months in Baghdad and in an enclave in Iraqi Kurdistan controlled by the Qaeda-affiliated Ansar Al-Islam. But according to the Jordanian briefing, after the invasion of Iraq al-Zarqawi recrossed the border into Iran and was again "captured" by Iranian authorities. Some Jordanian officials believe that during this sojourn in "custody," al-Zarqawi's high-level Iranian contact got in touch again, and this time encouraged him to organize violent resistance to the American occupation of Iraq. Bush officials have said they now believe al-Zarqawi is the most important kingpin of the Iraqi insurgency. American intel agencies agree that he flitted between Iran and Iraq before and after the U.S. invasion. But U.S. analysts are skeptical of Jordanian allegations about a significant relationship between al-Zarqawi and Iranian intelligence. A U.S. official says the CIA believes that while in Iran, al-Zarqawi spent a lot of time trying to evade arrest by Iranian authorities, and because of his apparent antagonism toward Shiite Muslims, al-Zarqawi and Iranian officials wouldn't befriend each other. A U.S. Defense official says, however, that while high-level Iranian-government backing for al-Zarqawi is not substantiated, U.S. intelligence can't rule out the possibility that he might have "friends here and there."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 8:30:28 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Spain Arrests 7 in Suspected Terror Plan
Police arrested seven people Monday in nationwide raids targeting a suspected Islamic terror ring that was reportedly preparing for an attack. Police described the detainees as suspected members of an active Islamic militant group, the Interior Ministry said in a statement. "The ring is composed of Muslims that are residents in Spain," the statement said. It added that the suspects allegedly were in contact with people elsewhere in Europe, the United States and Australia.
It'll be nice to roll them up, too...
The private news agency Europa Press, citing police in charge of the case, reported that the arrests were made after police detected conversations in which the suspects referred to preparations for an attack with explosives. In the conversations, it was unclear whether the suspects already had the explosives, according to Europa Press. Those arrested included at least four Algerians and one Moroccan in Madrid, El Ejido, Gandia, Malaga and Almeria. They were identified as Smail Latrech, Ali Omar "Jelloul", Djamel Merabet, Mourat Yala "Abu Anas," Ahmed Mohamed and Magid Mchmacha. One remained unidentified. Monday's operation was ordered by Judge Baltasar Garzon of Spain's National Court, which handles terrorism cases.
Fox News sez the court was the intended target. Garzon's been pretty active in chasing the thugs down and they wanted to bump him off...
Police said the operation was still open and that they don't rule out more arrests or home searches. Separately, the El Pais newspaper reported that Spanish intelligence agents warned police in November 2003 that an Algerian now identified as a ringleader of the Madrid train bombings was preparing an attack in Spain. The agents asked the Interior Ministry for urgent help in locating the suspect, Allekema Lamari, who had served jail time in Spain on terrorism charges and was considered dangerous. But the ministry did not heed the warning, the newspaper said, quoting sources close to the National Intelligence Center.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:26:36 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But Spain has got all it troops out of Iraq so they should be safe. SNORK

Spain will continue to be the target of attacks because they are now known cowards. Cowards get pushed around.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#2  I suggest Spaniards look up hotels called Al Andalus in various Arab/Moslem countries (e.g. check the one in Marrakech).

Then ponder what it means to the Moslems (e.g. check Bin Laden's whining).

Stopping a few terror cells is fine. But it's probably the least of their worries, if millions of Moslems intend to destroy Spain so as to turn it back to Al Andelus.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 23:44 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Nepal govt accepts Maoist rebel truce offer
KATHMANDU: Nepal accepted on Monday a nine-day truce declared by Maoist insurgents to allow the troubled country celebrate a Hindu festival and said government troops would not launch military action during the period. The government's announcement came three days after the Maoists, fighting to replace constitutional monarchy with communist rule, said they would suspend "all armed operations" from Oct. 20 to 28 to mark the Dasain festival. "There will be no offensive (action) from our side," Mohammed Mohsin, Nepal's information and communication minister, told reporters. "If there is any sabotage against us and if anyone tries to disturb peace the government will be on high alert to maintain peace," he added.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:23:47 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:


Two more Hizbut Tehrir activists arrested
Police arrested two members of the banned Hizbut Tehrir (HT) group in Karachi on Monday for distributing leaflets which denounced the government's pro-US policies. The two men, both in their 20s, were arrested from two separate neighbourhoods in eastern Karachi, police said. "They have been booked under the anti-terrorism law," said Ahmed Yar Chohan, a superintendent of police. "They could face a jail term of up to five years if convicted," he said. The group, formed in Jerusalem in 1953, started operations in Pakistan only three years ago. But the government, a staunch ally of Washington in the war on terror, banned it last year. Hizbut Tehrir wants to remove the pro-US government of President Pervez Musharraf and establish a pan-Islamic state. The small, secretive group has a following among educated and professional Pakistanis, many with British and US passports. Some militant groups have carried out attacks on government officials, Westerners and religious minorities, but Hizb says militancy was not on its agenda.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:22:30 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
A War Without Reason (claims Bob Herbert)
NYT, via Spiegel.de
There should no longer be any doubt that the war in Iraq is an exercise in lunacy. It was launched with a spurious rationale, the weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be a fantasy relentlessly stoked by obsessively hawkish middle-aged men who ran and hid when they were of fighting age and the nation was at war.
Well, the nation is at war now, and they're certainly not hiding are they?
Now we find that we can't win this war we started. Soldiers and civilians alike are trapped in the proverbial briar patch, unable to move around safely in a country that the warmongers thought would be easy to conquer and then rebuild.
So...your point is what exactly? That war is an unpredictable event?
There is no way to overstate how profoundly wrong they were.
On some counts. On others they were dead-on, 100% correct.
Our troops continue to die but we can't even identify the enemy, which is why so many innocent Iraqi civilians - including women and children - are being blown away.
Correction, YOU can't identify the enemy.
The civilians are being killed by the thousands, even as the dreaded Saddam Hussein is receiving first-class health care (most recently a successful hernia operation) from his captors.
Killed by the thousands? Really?? There seems to be a unit of measurement missing there somewhere...do you mean per day, on a weekly basis, per year, per bomb drop??? Which is it?
Last week, in a story that read like a chapter from an antiwar novel, we learned that members of an Army Reserve platoon were taken into custody and held for two days after they refused to deliver a shipment of fuel to Taji, a town 15 miles north of Baghdad. They complained that the trip was too dangerous to make without an escort of armored vehicles. Several of the reservists described the trip as a "suicide mission."
The military said that was an isolated incident, but there is evidence of growing dissatisfaction among the troops, many of whom feel they are targets surrounded by hostile Iraqis -insurgents and ordinary civilians alike - in a war that lacks a clearly defined mission.
The mission is clearly defined. Again, it is you who can't wrap your mind around it.
Even the heavily fortified Green Zone, which contains the U.S. embassy and the headquarters of the interim Iraqi government, was penetrated by suicide bombers last Thursday. At least five people, including three Americans who had been providing security for diplomats, were killed in the attack.
As the pointlessness of this war grows ever clearer,
He means, he still doesn't understand. But it's not for a lack of trying.
the president's grand alliance, like some of the soldiers on the ground, is losing its resolve. When John Kerry, in the first presidential debate, mentioned only Britain and Australia as he mocked Mr. Bush's "coalition" in Iraq, the president famously replied, "You forgot Poland."
Poland has 2,400 troops in Iraq. But on Friday the prime minister, Marek Belka, announced that he will cut that number early next year, and then "will engage in talks on a further reduction."
That was always Poland's position. Nothing new.
Mr. Belka has a political problem. He can't explain the war to his constituents. And that's because there is no rational explanation.
This issue is far more complicated than your "no rational explanation" argument (which you are desperately trying to tie in with every assertion in this piece)
As for the rebuilding of Iraq, forget about it. Hundreds of schools were damaged by U.S. bombing and thousands were looted by Iraqis. It's hard to believe that an administration that won't rebuild schools here in America will really go to bat for schoolkids in Iraq.
I would argue that this is more the responsibility of the Iraqi government, whether interim or not. But continue, please...
Millions of Iraqi kids now attend schools that are decrepit and, in many cases, all but falling down-lacking such essentials as desks, chairs and even toilets, according to the United Nations Children's Fund.
Military commanders are warning that delays in the overall reconstruction are increasing the danger for American troops. A senior American military officer told The Times, "We can either put Iraqis back to work, or we can have them shoot [rocket-propelled grenades] at us."
The president and his apologists never understood what they were getting into in Iraq.
And you did?
What is unmistakable now is that Americans will never be willing to commit the overwhelming numbers of troops and spend the hundreds of billions of additional dollars necessary to have even a hope of bringing long-term stability to Iraq.
Shouldn't you have waited until after November 2nd before claiming this as fact?
This is a war that never made sense and now we are seeing - from the troops on the ground, from our allies overseas and increasingly from the population here at home - the inevitable reluctance to forge ahead with the madness.
The president likes to say he made exactly the right decision on Iraq. Each new death of a soldier or a civilian, each child who loses a parent to the carnage, each healthy body that is broken or burned in this war that didn't have to happen, is a reminder of how horribly wrong he was.
Yeah yeah yeah. Death, carnage and misery. Welcome to the planet Earth Mr. Herbert. You forgot to mention Sudan. Or the whole of Africa for that matter. Or about 90% of the world. You don't get out much often do you, Mr. Herbert?

I liked this little bit as well:

Cooperative agreement between SPIEGEL ONLINE and the "New York Times"
SPIEGEL ONLINE and the online version of the "New York Times" offer their readers a special service.
Yeah I bet they do.
Approximately twice a week, you can read selected analyses and commentary from the "New York Times" on SPIEGEL ONLINE. In return, our colleagues in New York will publish selected and translated articles from DER SPIEGEL on their website each week.
Oh great. A moonbat exchange program. Is the Guardian in on this as well?
Posted by: Rafael || 10/18/2004 8:21:06 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is just another in a long series of articles by Bob Herbert expressing concern for the welfare of our troops. Oh no, wait, Bob Herbert to my knowledge never gave a rat's butt about the welfare of our troops until it became an issue he could use against Bush.
Posted by: Matt || 10/18/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#2  It's amazing how clueless someone can be when they simply don't want to understand the obvious.

If I, an ordinary citizen, have no trouble figuring out a whole bunch of reasons why we needed to invade Iraq, why else would Bob Herbert have so much trouble?
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/18/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Dave D, cuz he's a moron?
Posted by: Conanista || 10/18/2004 21:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Nah. He's verbally too adroit to literally be a "moron". Could just be a lying bastard, though...
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/18/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Dave D. I could believe that but I think he really needs to get hit with a clue bat too. Seeing where the opinion peice runs it's just so much anti american self loathing.

Maybe I can get some fellow sock puppets to get a clue bat after him?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/19/2004 2:09 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Shia imams meet MQM body
KARACHI: Maulana Ikram Tirmizi led a delegation of imams of Shiite mosques to call on Anwar Alam, who is in charge of the MQM's Coordination Committee. Anwar Alam said that the MQM respected all mosques and imambargahs and wanted people from all religious schools of thought to lead their lives peacefully according to their respective creeds. He said people were fanning sectarian fanaticism by killing innocent worshippers in mosques and imambargahs.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:19:24 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Imambargahs. Is that Arabic for Rantburgs?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||


Hugh Grant 'set to propose' to Jemima Khan
Hugh Grant, 44, who split from actress Liz Hurley four years ago, has made his first commitment to Jemima Khan by introducing her to his father — who gave his blessings to Grant's intention to marry Jemima, website FemaleFirst said sources told newspaper Daily Star. The website quoted the paper as saying that the movie heartthrob was said to be so smitten with the heiress that he would soon ask for her hand in marriage.
Wants to get to the rest of her as well, I'd wager...
"When Hugh Grant told his dad he had never loved a woman like Jemima and his heart ached without her around, he said, 'In that case, you must make her your wife.' That was it for Hugh," the website quoted Daily Star.
Gonna tie the knot, huh? Cheeze. I didn't even know they were related... Oh. Wait. At least one of 'em's not a Moose limb...
Meanwhile, Jemima has admitted she was so in love with the star after a painful split with cricket legend Imran Khan that she wanted to tell the world about their whirlwind romance, said the website.
"I'm so happy! I just hope Imran doesn't throw acid in my face!"
The daughter of late tycoon Sir James Goldsmith reportedly told friends, "I'm happier than ever, and I've reached the point with Hugh where I want the world to know. I married and had children very young and now I'm having some fun."
Oh, you brazen hussy!
The website quoted the paper as saying that the pair, however, were determined not to rush into marriage until after Jemima's divorce proceedings with Khan.
That's usually considered a good move.
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Chinese suspend work on Gomal Zam Dam
Could have something to do with the dead guy, I guess...
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 8:12:30 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “At the moment we are not pushing them to resume work because of the trauma at losing a colleague,” said the WAPDA official. “As soon as they are over the trauma, they will start working.”

Ok, you guys, I know that it has been traumatic to lose one of your mates, but we also have problems, too. We have a dam to build. Do you think that you will be over your trauma by, say, Wednesday at 0800? Thanks very much, and may we offer our condolances. Have a nice day.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 21:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Your right on Alaska Paul, The chinese caring about one man in an industrial accident is like a mile long line of fire ants being concerned over the last one being stepped on by one of us! I suspect the work stoppage is related to the shifting of payrole funds to the behemoth of their military, at crunch times!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 23:08 Comments || Top||


Opposition boycotts NA business permanently
Opposition parties in the National Assembly announced on Monday that they would stay away from house business permanently, saying the parliament had lost its usefulness after the passage of the two-offices bill. Opposition parties also agreed to sign a charter under which no party would allow General Pervez Musharraf to continue or welcome any future general as the country's head. After briefly protesting and boycotting house proceedings, opposition leaders told reporters that they had decided not to participate in house business. "We will neither take part in house proceedings nor resign from our seats. We will use this platform to speak out against the dictatorial regime," said Qazi Hussain Ahmad. He said the ruling coalition had openly violated the Constitution and Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad had publicly been talking about a presidential form of government. "It is neither a parliamentary nor a presidential form of government. Army rule has been imposed," he added.

Qazi observed that President Musharraf has become controversial and would not be acceptable even if he left the Army. Shah Mahmood Qureshi of the Pakistan People's Party-Parliamentarians observed that policy was being framed outside parliament and it was pointless to sit in the National Assembly. "The government has made parliament into a show-piece for the external world. But, the Commonwealth's recent reaction has vindicated our stance that parliament is not supreme in Pakistan," he added.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 7:51:14 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


MEMRI Ticker: Qaeda babez can't find husbands
October 15, 2004
THE CONDITIONS FOR THE FAMILIES OF AL-QA'IDA MEMBERS LIVING IN PAKISTAN HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. THE MALE FAMILY MEMBERS HIDE IN CAVES, WHILE FEMALE DAUGHTERS WHO PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AT AGE 12 ARE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING HUSBANDS. (AL-HAYAT, LONDON, 10/13/04)
This is your big chance, guys!
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 7:50:13 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well I just found out Mr. Davis is now roaming around as Abu Davis, probably snatching up the 12 year-olds. Seems to be a whole lot of this goin on.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Hmm, tell me more about these 12-year-olds...can they cook ?
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 10/18/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#3  The hell with the 12 year olds. Let's snap up the grammas!
Posted by: badanov || 10/18/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#4  "Let's snap up the grammas!"

Ewww, 36-year-olds......
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 10/18/2004 20:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
MEMRI Ticker: Sammy deposited .5 bn in Turkish bank
October 18, 2004
SADDAM HUSSEIN PREVIOUSLY DEPOSITED $500 MILLION IN TURKEY'S PEOPLES BANK AS PART OF A SECRET PROTOCOL SIGNED IN 2000 BETWEEN IRAQ AND TURKEY. UNDER THE DEAL, IRAQ SOLD OIL TO TURKEY FOR FOOD SUPPLIES AND MEDICINES, CIRCUMVENTING THE OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM. (AL-MADA, BAGHDAD, 10/17/04)
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 7:48:15 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And assuring the 4th ID could not enter the Sunni triangle via Turkey. Frankly, these mofos in Turkey deserve the shiv more than the frogs. Kurdistan NOW!
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:17 Comments || Top||

#2  And payback for the Armenian genocide, now.

Turkey is on the other side, as much as France is.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 23:45 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks & Islam
'Those Who Bomb Fallujah Cannot Prevent Me from Bombing Los Angeles'
Magdi Ahmad Hussein, the Secretary-General of the Egyptian Labor (Islamist) Party, recently appeared on Al-Jazeera TV, declaring that attacks against U.S. troops and civilians in Iraq are legitimate, and that hostage taking is permitted by Islam. He also called for clerics and fighters to go to fight in Iraq, defended the bombings in Taba, andargued that the American attack on Fallujah legitimizes a future terror attack in Los Angeles. To view the MEMRI TV clip of Hussein's statements, visit http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=292. The following are excerpts from the program:

'The Mujahid Should be There [in Iraq], and the Cleric Should be There'
"The American casualties reach 47,000 dead and wounded, according to the American Veterans Association. 20% of the American forces were hurt, but the media only reports the Iraqi and Arab casualties.

"I've seen a film of the so-called 'Monotheism and the Jihad,' which is believed to be the organization of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi. In the film, I saw that they neutralized a bomb because an Iraqi woman passed by the tank. Out of concern for one Iraqi woman's life they neutralized a bomb and this appears in a film on the Internet and anyone can watch it. I'm not claiming that there are no mistakes. There are different opinions among the Iraqi resistance. But if you want to have an opinion, you should be with them, not us, sitting in air-conditioned rooms and telling them to do this that.

"The mujahid should be there, and the cleric should be there, like Ibn Taymiyya, who set out with the mujahideen to the front lines. But we want to issue fatwas telling them not to do this or that, not to attack so and so. It's like us telling Hamas: 'don't attack buses lest an Israeli child be killed.' Do you have another means? When the Americans bomb [in Iraq] they say they are looking for Abu Mus'ab and the casualties were killed by accident. The Americans have the right to kill civilians accidentally, while the Qassam rockets and the [suicide] martyrs should target only adults, men and women working in the Israeli army, and should tell the children to get off the bus!?"

'If We had Missiles We should have Bombed Los Angeles'
"We are the weak ones. They make demands on us that don't exist in international law. There must be reciprocity. If your city is being bombed
 Those who bomb Fallujah cannot prevent me from bombing Los Angeles. Why Fallujah? Why do we always feel inferior to them? What is the meaning of this inferiority complex? If we had missiles we should have bombed Los Angeles or any other city until they stopped bombing Fallujah, Samarra, and Ramadi.

"Sir, why do the government clerics ignore the killing of the prisoners during the time of the Prophet? 600-700 prisoners were killed in the raid on the Qurayza tribe. Why do they conceal this? Why do they hide the fact that the Prophet gave the order to assassinate some poets — to assassinate! Not in military operations, but rather by individual assassination. Why did he order the assassination of K'ab Ibn Ashraf, the Jew, leader of Khaybar? And then he ordered the assassination of the leader who successive him. As a result, the Jews became fearful and terrified."
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 7:37:58 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why Fallujah? Why do we always feel inferior to them? ...why do the government clerics ignore the killing of the prisoners during the time of the Prophet? ...Why do they hide the fact that the Prophet gave the order to assassinate some poets – to assassinate!

Why do we hate you? Let me count the ways.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Magdi Ahmad Hussein can become fair game, too if he spouts this tripe. If he had missiles bomb LA, he would not even be a grease spot on the L&N. The West has exercised extreme restraint so far. If we wanted to eliminate Fallujah, we would have levelled Fallujah with not so much as a by-your-leave, sir. This guy is just a hot air bag with a bull's eye target painted on.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 20:33 Comments || Top||

#3  The American casualties reach 47,000 dead and wounded, according to the American Veterans Association.

Really, Magdi Ahmad--may I call you "Maggie?"--you will have to do better than that. Not even CBS is dumb enough to fall for that number.

Those who bomb Fallujah cannot prevent me from bombing Los Angeles.

Here's the difference, Maggie: we can get to Falluja; you probably couldn't find Los Angeles with a Rand McNally atlas and an American Airlines timetable.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#4  I consider people who male these statements a threat to my security. I evpect my government to protect me from such threats. I expect them to send a team of government employees and kill his worthless ass.

It's what I expect but it won't happen. The people really running the CIA are a bunch of pussies.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 20:50 Comments || Top||

#5  ..andargued that the American attack on Fallujah legitimizes a future terror attack in Los Angeles.

You will excuse us then if, as a consequence of a possible future attack, we end up finding and killing all of your fellow terrorists and their sympathizers.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#6  hmmm...that makes me wonder if they do strike, if it will be LA.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 23:36 Comments || Top||

#7  How many $b has the US given to Egypt? the motherland of the most radical Islamofascist movements?

Make no mistake, that we will have to deal very violently with Egypt as part of WW IV. They want us dead.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 23:48 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
India's Most Wanted Bandit Killed in Shootout
Police have shot dead India's most wanted bandit Koose Muniswamy Veerappan, accused of chopping up many of the more than 100 people he killed, officials said on Tuesday. Veerappan, who operated from southern jungles and was believed to have ties with Tamil militants that officials said extended to Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, hit world headlines in 2000 when he held film star Rajkumar hostage for 108 days. The bandit -- who was in his 50s, sported a long twirling mustache, wore military camouflage and had bloodshot eyes -- was dubbed the "Jungle Cat" for his deep knowledge of the forests and his ability to imitate wild animal sounds. Government officials hailed his killing as a major law and order success, having offered a five million rupee ($109,000) bounty -- a high reward by Indian standards.

"It is with a sense of pride and fulfilment that I wish to announce ... the good news that the notorious forest brigand, bandit, murderer and dacoit Veerappan, along with his entire gang, has been shot dead," said the chief minister of the southern state of Tamil Nadu, Jayaram Jayalalithaa. Veerappan was once seen by local people as a modern day Robin Hood and eluded troops and police in the vast jungles straddling the states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu for more than a decade. Indian media reports said he chopped rivals into several pieces before throwing them into rivers, shot and killed policemen as they slept and once beheaded a senior forest official. The shootout took place in a Tamil Nadu village 6 miles from the town of Dharmapuri, about 75 miles southeast of Bangalore, capital of Karnataka, when Veerappan's gang was traveling in a vehicle, Jayalalithaa said. He said Veerappan did not respond to a call to surrender and fired instead, leading to the shootout.

In December 2002, a regional politician was found dead after three months as a captive of Veerappan. Veerappan was also accused of killing thousands of elephants for their tusks and smuggling sandalwood and ivory worth millions of dollars. The gang staged ambushes, made bombs and planted land-mines that blew up buses carrying police. A special police force set up by the Karnataka and Tamil Nadu states and the federal Border Security Force hunted for Veerappan for years. A photograph of the Tamil-speaking Veerappan emerged in 1993 when he gave his first newspaper interview to a Tamil language bi-weekly. The black and white photograph had been shot when Veerappan was arrested in 1986 on suspicion of smuggling. On that occasion he managed to escape by slipping out of handcuffs.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 7:30:37 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  http://www.webulagam.com/news/regional/images/2000_08/0802_veerappan.jpg
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Koose Muniswamy
Well, what can ya say?
Was he one of ours?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Now, those are some moustachios!
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||

#4  ***wags index finger*** He was a veddy veddy veddy bahd mon!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Zanu PF wants me dead, says Muzembi
THE newly-elected Masvingo Member of Parliament, Walter Muzembi says some Zanu PF members in Masvingo want him dead. Muzembi surprised mourners gathered at the funeral of the late freelance photographer, Lucky Hakata at Grenville cemetery in Harare on Saturday when he said the Pajero that Hakata was travelling in with four others had been shot at by Zanu PF members opposed to his election. Hakata, a Harare-based sports photographer was travelling in the car, owned by Muzembi, to Harare when it rolled over several times at the 109 km peg between Featherstone and Munyati on Thursday afternoon and died on the spot. His body was taken to Chivhu hospital for a post mortem. The others in the car sustained serious injuries and were admitted at Chivhu hospital.

Without mincing his words, Muzembi, whose election surprised many people as he was on suspension from the ruling party, said the people who fired shots at his Pajero thought that he (Muzembi) was in the car as it was the same vehicle that he had been using during his campaign in Masvingo province. "The people who shot at my car wanted to kill me. Hakata was sitting in the back seat of the car where I used to sit during my campaigns. I am very sorry for the Hakata family for what happened," said Muzembi, who offered to foot the bill including buying the casket. A policeman from Chivhu who attended the burial of Hakata confirmed that Muzembi's car had been shot several times. Muzembi's public announcement was filmed by a Zimbabwe Television crew which covered Hakata's burial but the clip was not screened when the story was aired on Saturday night.

The Masvingo South constituency fell vacant after the death two months ago of Zanu PF long standing member and former cabinet minister Eddison Zvobgo. The two Zanu PF factions in Masvingo, the one loyal to the late vice President Simon Muzenda and the one loyal to the late Zvobgo had been vying for the Masvingo South seat when it fell vacant following Zvobgo's death. The Masvingo Zanu PF provincial executive, led by Daniel Shumba announced that Muzembi, who belongs to the Zvobgo faction, had been elected unopposed after all those within the party who had been contesting stepped down. It is not clear whether they were coerced into stepping down or did so of their own volition. Attempts to get a comment from Zanu PF were in vain.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 7:29:51 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syrian ambivalence?
DEBKA - cum grano salis
I love it when you talk dirty...
DEBKAfile reports exclusively: Syrian mortar fire against US and Iraqi border patrols in key smuggling al Qaim region knocks hole in brand-new Syrian-US military cooperation accord. Syrian 82 mm mortar cannonade prevents US-Iraq patrols from approaching border. Smuggling of fighters and weapons continues unabated.
Posted by: mercutio || 10/18/2004 7:07:43 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Don't be surprised if there starts being some counterbattery. In 500lb JDAM increments.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/18/2004 0:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Old Spook -- good. Oh yes, and soon, please.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 8:30 Comments || Top||

#3  ....Just thinking: given what we already know about the way things work in Syria, it may be possible that there's some commanders out on the border who don't like their little games busted up..

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/18/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#4  jeebus, our little Emily?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#5  BTW, Happy Birthday, Emily!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#6  nautae cum puella in concubitu sunt __ there's your dirty latin for the day.
Posted by: Grolugum Unomotch8553 || 10/18/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#7  You know.... Dirty Latin would be an excellent name for a band.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#8  I thought the original latin quoted by mercutio was "take with salt."
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Campaign column: Make or break
It is hard to imagine a political race freighted with greater significance than this one. As one of my colleagues in the American press said to me recently, "it's only going to decide the future of the free world."

It is the first election of the post-9/11 United States. It is a referendum on America's biggest military engagement since Vietnam and America's role in the world.

But for the two political parties, the result is critical to their survival.

Rallying the base

If the Republicans win a second term and retain their hold on Congress, the Democrats would probably be shut out of power for the rest of the decade.

On the other hand if the Democrats win, it will represent the failure of the Bush Doctrine, triggering a civil war within the Republican Party.

At the centre of this titanic battle sits Karl Rove, Bush's political advisor.

Rove has fashioned a unique political strategy around George Bush which relies more on motivating social conservatives than winning over moderates in the middle ground.

That's why George Bush has been unabashedly conservative in almost everything he has done, surprising even those within his own party.

He has clamped down on stem cell research, gay marriage and funding for abortion clinics abroad. He has portrayed himself as a tough, decisive, and, above all, principled leader.

When he lashes his opponent as a liberal on the "far left bank", Bush is not trying to win over the undecided voter.

He is firing up his base.

Pivotal

Liberal is one of those keywords that make social conservatives mad. Karl Rove believes there are more votes to be had in increasing the numbers of conservatives who go to the polls than in trying to bring in undecideds.

After the last election, he noted that four million evangelical conservatives did not bother to vote.

With a president like George Bush, he reasons it's easier to excite them than swing voters, for whom Bush's "with us or against us" view of the world might be a hard sell.

If Rove is right and he wins a second term for his boss, he will go down in the pantheon of great political operators.

If he fails, his boss will be remembered as a one-term Republican president who had no major impact on the course of Republican philosophy.

It's the difference between being a repetition of his father and being Ronald Reagan.

If Bush loses, "there will be civil war in the Party on November the 3rd," Pat Buchanan, the former Republican presidential candidate, told me this summer.

Conservatives will say that Bush's unusual mix of tax cuts and military interventionism failed because it departed from the straight and narrow of Conservatism which is small government, fiscal discipline and no foreign adventures.

And Karl Rove will be cast into the wilderness.

Where now?

In the Democratic camp, success will spell the same thing: proof that the Bush Doctrine was a failed experiment.

Anti-war protesters
The Democrats will have to decide who to appeal to

Failure for the Democrats, however, will raise serious questions about their viability as a party.

Why can't they pick a populist candidate? Has America shifted permanently to the right?

Does the Democratic Party need to reinvent itself? These are the sorts of questions the elders will ask.

The Democratic Party lacks the cohesive unity of the Republicans.

It is a motley and sometimes fractious alliance of Deaniac anti-war protesters, blue collar union men, aspirant yuppies, retired Jewish communities and soccer mums.

Some will say that the Party must return to its roots - whatever they are. Others will say it should stay with Clinton's centrist approach.

Whatever the outcome, it is going to be extremely painful for the losing side.

The stakes could not be higher. So don't expect it to be over quickly. Unless there is a clear Electoral College victory one way or the other on 2 November, both sides will dig in for a long legal fight.

They have too much to lose.
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 6:57:37 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mary Beth or Karl..... hmmmmmm.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 20:13 Comments || Top||

#2  To paraphrase Sun Tzu:

Know thyself and your opponent and you will win a thousand fights.
Know thyself and not your opponent and you will win half the time.
Know not thyself nor your opponent and you will will always lose.

Which party understands itself and its opponent best? Which party actually believes its own propaganda of itself and that which it makes about its opponent?
Posted by: Don || 10/18/2004 21:20 Comments || Top||

#3  haha! This article is clearly the BBC's wanna be version of what is happening in our election.

Go back to your own side of the pond. You don't get it - you aren't even close.

As they say, stick to what you know.
Posted by: 2b || 10/19/2004 3:45 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Top Baathist now based in Syria
A senior Baath party organiser and Saddam Hussein aide, Mohammed Younis al-Ahmed, has been named by western intelligence officials as one of the key figures directing the Sunni insurgency from Baby Assad's guest house his hiding-place in neighbouring Syria.

Sources have told The Observer that Younis al-Ahmed - who has had a $1 million price tag placed on his head by the US - is one of between 20 and 50 senior Baath party figures based in Syria who, they believe, are involved in organising the guerrilla war against the US-led multi-national forces in Iraq and against the new Iraqi security forces. The naming of Ahmed comes amid growing concern that hardline factions in Syria are providing protection for cells still loyal to the old Iraqi regime who were involved in organising the flow of money, people and material for fighters in Baghdad and the Sunni triangle. This is despite Syrian moves to tighten up its border with Iraq after complaints from Washington and London that arms and foreign terrorists were crossing into Iraq. The intelligence officials believe the activities of the Syrian-based former regime members - who quickly formed into cells after the fall of Saddam - may be a considerably more significant threat to the interim government of Ayad Allawi than the more widely visible activities of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has been behind a series of beheadings and suicide bombings.
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Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 6:18:23 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's Assad going to do once his Mullah benefactors in Iran go the same route as the Taliban and Saddam. (He could read the writing on the wall, return to London & open up a new medical practice, before he himself needs one)
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Coordinates please.
Posted by: RWV || 10/18/2004 0:56 Comments || Top||

#3  If they think we're going to let Syria be used as a safe haven for the jihadis, they better think again. That's one lesson we leared well.
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 1:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Accurate Quotes?
(Interview with John Kerry)
"...I think you have to @#$#@ measurements..."
"...The moving warrant and @#$#@ tap..."
"...I think I mentioned this @#$#@ $@#$@#$..."
"...I think you need a new President with a fresh start and new credibility to get us out of this @#$@#$@..."
"...A company that's importing ceiling fans from China got freebies rather than the President saying, take this back, take this out, and send it to me clean with ethanol, with the Florida stuff, with the North Carolina tobacco buyout, that's Presidential @#$#@$@..."
"And you can quote me on that!"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 6:15:33 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can't read that. It makes me want to vomit.
The person is a pathological liar. He couldn't find the truth if it bit him on the ass nad he had both hands on it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 6:43 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree. I got about halfway through that steaming heap and gave up; like nearly all Democrats these days, he appears to think the audience is a bunch of dumb rubes who don't remember anything past yesterday, won't bother checking facts, and who'll believe ANYTHING a Democrat politician tells them.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/18/2004 8:25 Comments || Top||

#3  It seems what Mr. Kerry is saying in response to some of these questions is he doesn't have a position on them until he meets with advisors. That's not necessarily a bad thing but I would think he would have some opinion on some of these issues. He seems to be saying he wont commit himself until someone in his advisor cadre tells him what his position should be. He lets his aides fill out questionaires and doesn't know what they wrote.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/18/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Karachay-Cherkess deputy prime minister assassinated
A top government leader of a republic in the volatile North Caucasus region that includes Chechnya was gunned down in broad daylight in the center of the republic's capital, Cherkessk, on Monday morning. Ansar Tebuyev, the deputy prime minister of the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, was shot dead around 8 a.m. just steps away from the republic's Interior Ministry building, the Itar-Tass news agency reported, citing local police. Earlier reports said he was shot in his car as he was driving to work in the morning. Local police say they have found the car that Tebuyev's assailants were in when they shot at him. The two assailants, who were said to have used AK-47's and a grenade, reportedly drove off immediately after the shooting, witnesses say, and police are still searching for them.

The Karachay-Cherkess parliament will hold an extraordinary session on Octo. 19 to discuss crime in the region, the republic's authorities told the news agency. Seven people have gone missing in the republic over the last week. Their families have sent a telegram to the Russian authorities requesting help in finding them. Murders and attacks on business executives and state officials have continued non-stop in the republic over the last few months. Recently, local parliamentarian and forestry head Khakim Shidakov was attacked. Shidakov is currently in hospital in a grave condition.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 6:09:36 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Gladiators of the eurozone fight for life
Fairly long for a Peshawar piece, but a good overview of the fragility and poor economic performance of the eurozone (the eurozone comprises those states which have adopted the euro - not to be confused with the EU, though it is a subset of the larger union.)
For rent: amphitheatre, 160ft high, with seating capacity for 50,000. In need of refurbishment. Central location in eternal city, suitable for games, circuses and gladiatorial contests. They have not put a price on it yet, but if you fancy taking on the ultimate wreck as a second home, you might be able to rent the Colosseum in Rome. No, really. The giant arena, built by the emperor Vespasian in ad72, could soon be available as part of a programme by Silvio Berlusconi's government to meet its urgent need for cash.

Here is what Daniele Molgora, a junior economics minister, said in an interview last week: "Selling the Colosseum? No. The national patrimony must be protected. But we have the most beautiful artistic possessions in the world and to think of leasing them to private individuals, under the control of local cultural authorities, would mean to raise income for the country." Mr Molgora risks being dispatched by some Russell Crowe lookalike, judging by the reaction of the Italian media and opposition parties. Just imagine the cries of indignation if some trunk-wearing Brit moved into a ruin in Pompeii, or Starbucks opened a branch in the Roman Forum.

We should thank our lucky stars that, despite Labour's curious attempt to turn us into a Euro-economy - through its taxes, regulations, flirtation with the euro and now its desire to ratify the European Constitution - we are not yet in the position of Italy. Unlike in Britain, where growth, though slowing, is likely to be 3.5 per cent this year, the Italian economy is crawling along, as are those of France and Germany. Italy has the lowest birth rate of any advanced nation, and debts three times those of Britain. This year, according to the IMF, the Italian economy will grow at a paltry 1.4 per cent, followed by two per cent in 2005. Even those numbers could be overestimates. Since the IMF made its forecasts last month, the price of oil has shot above $50 a barrel, raising costs for the world economy generally.
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Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 5:03:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am not planning on buying or holding any EUROs.

one USD = 0.554078 GBP
one USD = 0.80141 EUR

As energy prices rise watch the downward pressure on the EURO. It won't be pretty. Even with the projected high cost of oil US growth will more then double that of the average EU nation this year.

I can't think of many German, French or Italians who live in a oil and gas fields in their own country. How many barrels of Oil are in the German stragic oil reserve? The French one? How about Italy? I live right in the middle of 3 of them. Production may be going down but we still have Oil close. When and if times get tough we will be in better shape than they ever will be.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 6:35 Comments || Top||

#2  When the going gets tough, they will most probably lay claim to the North Sea oil and gas fields for the common good, which will put the UK and Norway in an interesting position.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 7:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Mergers are not considered a sign of strength in declining industries or markets.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 7:41 Comments || Top||

#4  SPoD the USD is still wildly overvalued. Its going to .5 Euros. It will be a major destabilizing event, although the instability will be mostly outside the USA.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 8:09 Comments || Top||

#5  The German Bundesbank was worried that the inflation-prone, olive-producing countries whose currencies had developed plenty of noughts over the years

Is the olive cause or effect?

Phil's right, if the Chineese would decouple the dollar would fall to it's rational level.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 8:14 Comments || Top||

#6  The EUniks will start to panic when several Asian countries largely overtake them in terms of standard of living. Give it another 15-20 years. It's amazing what compound productivity growth does over a few decades, compared to massive unemployment, short work weeks, and a bankrupt Welfare State.

As for the Norwegian oil fields, remember that Norway is not part of the EU...
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#7  It is actually worse than this article implies. Wolfgang Munchau writing in the Financial Times (registration required) had this to say:
"National accounts should provide a true and fair statement of a country's financial position. This is not the case in the eurozone. The officially recorded deficits are those that governments have failed to hide from public view. As an economic statistic, they are close to meaningless. Yet the stability pact, the main instrument of policy co-ordination in the eurozone, relies almost exclusively on that statistic to enforce the rule that reported deficits must not exceed 3 per cent of gross domestic product. As long as the quality of national accounts remains in doubt, it would make a lot more sense to focus on a country's level of outstanding debt and future public-sector obligations, especially pension liabilities. By that measure, of course, several countries of the eurozone would be technically bankrupt and no government is likely to admit that."
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#8  As energy prices rise watch the downward pressure on the EURO.

You mean, downward pressure on the currency in which oil's priced. To the extent we're dependent on oil imports, oil's rise will cause the dollar to fall.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#9 

Here is a link to the european anthem; get used to it chaps, you'll be hearing it alot.
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#10  http://europa.eu.int/abc/symbols/anthem/index_en.htm
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#11  "get used to it chaps, you'll be hearing it alot."

I thought the Anti-Christ wasn't due for another several years. Maybe you are the false prophet that 's a bit early, for the gathering.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 10/18/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#12  Lex:
I don't know about that. Higher oil prices will mean more Euros have to be traded for dollars to buy the oil. That will push the Euro down, while it will tend to lift the dollar. American purchases will push the dollar back down, so maybe the dollar's a wash, but the Euro will drop.

It won't do the Yen a lot of good, either.
Posted by: jackal || 10/18/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#13  The following are what the US Census Bureau defines as poor, the old bureaucratic process of drawing a line on a statistical chart. Now there are classical or traditional poor in America, but their numbers drop so low, they begin to lose their political value to sell guilt and accumulate power.

- Forty percent of all poor households own their own home. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three bedroom house with one and a half-baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

- Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire US population enjoyed air conditioning.

- Only 6 percent of poor households are overcroweded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

- The average poor American has more living space than the average person [not classified as poor] in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other European cities.

- Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

- Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television. Over half own two or more color televisions.

- Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

- Seventy-three percent own a microwave oven, more than half have stereos, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

And the Euros expect to compete with a society whose poor do better than their average citizen?
Posted by: Don || 10/18/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#14  Yeah, but the US poor got sh*t for nuance, and what good is a TV or a house, or 2 rooms without nuance?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:49 Comments || Top||

#15  And they don't photograph too good anymore.
Posted by: Famous Roosevelt Gravy Train Graber || 10/18/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#16  I don't think a .5 Dollar against the EURO would be a bad thing it makes US exports more attractive.
It makes China's fixed value the Yuan tied to the dollar a thing China will have to fix. I don't see it as a bad thing but I amnot so hot with economics I admit.

Shoot I must be sub poor I don't have air conditioning. I have a floor furnace and a swamp cooler.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 19:11 Comments || Top||

#17  SPoD, Okay.... I'll bite. What's a Swamp Cooler, over than something to smuggle into Gainesville?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||

#18  Ooh, Shipman! You're neck must be white.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:13 Comments || Top||

#19  China's fixed exchange rate is a problem for them. not us. They are destroying their own currency.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/19/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi police take down 'hostage house' in Kirkuk
Iraqi Police Service officers from the Meghdad Police Department in Kirkuk in Northern Iraq seized seven suspected kidnappers, Tuesday, from a believed hostage house after intercepting two kidnap victims fleeing from four armed men in the city. Officers moved to the home in the Wahid Huzayray area after questioning the victims and calling for backup. A single individual was detained in the initial search and interrogated, leading officers to a second suspect in the Arafa neighborhood of Kirkuk. Officers watched over the home and nabbed five additional individuals later returning to the home. In the operation police also seized five AK-47s with ammunition, one Egyptian grenade, various knives, Iraqi National Guard and U.S. Army desert combat uniforms, multiple currencies and bank checks, and two bottles of Ketamine — a rapid acting disassociative anesthetic similar to phencyclidine (PCP) used to subdue victims.
Zowie.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 4:40:00 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fred---that is one picture of some MEAN hand tools! ****shudders****
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#2  five AK-47s with ammunition, one Egyptian grenade, various knives, Iraqi National Guard and U.S. Army desert combat uniforms, multiple currencies and bank checks, and two bottles of Ketamine

Shoot a fella could have a purdy good time in Cairo with this stuff....

/Kong
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#3  The lacy underwear is a nice touch. ;)
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Good eye BH, I didn't catch the lacy panties. But please no tampons - we do have our standards to maintain....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Well done, IP. Welcome to the ranks of the big boys!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Are you Emily?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Now some other-than-innocent heads need to roll!

Off with their heads, butter-knife style please!
Posted by: Atropanthe || 10/18/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Iraqi National Guard and U.S. Army desert combat uniforms

That would explain how they got around with the captives. Who's going to question the "good guys" about kidnappings?
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#9  Ketamine! That is nothing but torture on top of torture. It is a tranquilizer, but not nothing like what you would associate with tranquil.

Ketamine + torture + jihadi maniacs + dull knives. Your worst vision of Natural Born Killers psycho nightmare is nothing compared to what they are obviously putting these poor "infidels" through.

Off with their fucking worthless piece of pig shit jihadi heads, wrap them in bacon and bury them in the latrine.
Posted by: Atropanthe || 10/18/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#10  Ketamine + torture + jihadi maniacs + dull knives.

Actually, I've been thinking that the reason you don't see more Italian-style resistance is that they dope the poor bastards up before hacking off their heads. Maybe this theory falls under the category of "bloody obvious", but I don't believe I've seen it mentioned in the media.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 10/18/2004 19:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Do you mean me, Mrs. D? No, I'm not Emily. I think that's Seafarious.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#12  Yes, I meant you. Well, happy birthday Emily, whomever you are.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#13  I've been thinking that the reason you don't see more Italian-style resistance is that they dope the poor bastards up before hacking off their heads.

Perhaps this is true, but they definitely aren't doping them up with Ketamine when they shoot the actual snuff film. A person doped with ketamine is in no condition to do anything, much less read a statement to the camera before the Zarqawi butter-knife is applied.

Perhaps they use the ketamine when trasnporting their victims between what hopefully appears to be becoming not-so-safe houses.
Posted by: Atropanthe || 10/18/2004 20:30 Comments || Top||

#14  Well done, Iraqi friends.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 20:40 Comments || Top||

#15  Mrs. D, I am Emily, and thanks for the birthday wishes. Just had a delightful tapas dinner with 20 friends. Give my best to Mr. Davis, we haven't seen him in a while. :-)
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 23:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Temporary Artificial Heart Wins U.S. Approval
How cool is this? A temporary artificial heart. Now if they could create a temporary artificial personality, Kerry would have this election locked up.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 4:38:07 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just another example of the wonders of medical science we can expect once kerry gets elected and provides us all with health care

Hey buddy, wanna buy a bridge?
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:41 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Putin sez terrorist attacks aimed at thwarting Bush reelection
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday that terrorists are aiming to derail U.S. President George W. Bush's chances at re-election through their attacks in Iraq. "I consider the activities of terrorists in Iraq are not as much aimed at coalition forces but more personally against President Bush," Putin said at a news conference after a regional summit in the Tajik capital, Dushanbe. "International terrorism has as its goal to prevent the election of President Bush to a second term," he said. "If they achieve that goal, then that will give international terrorism a new impulse and extra power."

Still, Putin didn't say which candidate he favored in the Nov. 2 U.S. presidential election. "We unconditionally respect any choice of the American people," he said. "I don't want to spoil relations with either candidate." Putin also noted his continuing disagreement with Bush on Washington's invasion of Iraq, which Russia strongly opposed as a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. "Russia was always against the military operations in Iraq," he said.

Despite their differences, Bush and Putin have cooperated closely in the international war on terror, with Russia assenting to the deployment of U.S. forces in former Soviet Central Asia for operations in neighboring Afghanistan. In exchange, Washington has mostly looked the other way on Moscow's continuing war in breakaway Chechnya, which Russia alleges is being fueled by international terror groups. On his last visit to Central Asia in June, Putin appeared to be backing Bush's assertion that Iraq was a threat, saying at a summit in Kazakhstan that Russia had notified Washington about intelligence that Saddam Hussein's regime was preparing attacks in the United States and its interests abroad.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 4:18:36 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Putin needs to concentrate on the matters at hand! Had that been one of his kids or children at that school, I suspect Chechnya would be in smoldering ruins by now!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 23:32 Comments || Top||


Arabia
UAE Ruler al-Nahyan dead?
From Debka: United Arab Emirates ruler Sheikh Zayed al-Nahyan rumored dead or on life support until succession settled.
Then the plug gets pulled.
His son Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan may be challenged by two half-brothers.
The race for the throne begins, loosers get a free desert car crash.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 3:51:26 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There's only one civilized way to settle this: Pick you're best Haremee and have them mud-wrestle. Owner of winning haremee takes throne and losing haremee's.
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#2  well who ever becomes the president but one thing is sure they have lost a great leader.
Posted by: rovvy || 10/20/2004 7:09 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Willie Brigitte and the Al-Qaeda school of terror
Willie Brigitte has told French investigators of his extraordinary journey from failed butcher to linchpin in an al-Qaida plan to launch a terror attack on Australia to prison canary. He has detailed the high-altitude paramilitary training he undertook in a vast camp overlooking the Himalayas in which he and thousands of jihad warriors were schooled in terrorism. He has told of how Osama bin Laden's allies have penetrated the Pakistani Army to thwart US efforts to crack terrorist training operations in the remote Pakistani mountain regions that border Afghanistan. A year after the French national was captured in a western Sydney apartment with documents indicating he was planning to launch an attack on Australian targets, his interrogation transcripts can be revealed in detail for the first time.
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Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 3:35:15 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Willie Brigitte. Isn't he the one with the lesbian wife?
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 10/18/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#2  the hillllls are alive....with the sound of music.....with soungs they have heard, for 1,000 years......
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Bashir told followers to carry out attacks
AFTER weeks of trying to link militant Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir to the Jemaah Islamiyah terrorist group, Indonesian prosecutors have produced a huge charge sheet which offers a glimpse into the shadowy world in which he is alleged to have operated. Focusing chiefly on Bashir's alleged role in a deadly attack on Jakarta's JW Marriott hotel in an attempt to invoke serious terrorism charges, with a lesser accusation of indirect links to the Bali bombings, the charges carry few surprises. But what emerges from documents handed to judges on Friday and released in part yesterday is an intriguing account of how prosecutors claim Bashir coerced "followers" into carrying out atrocities long before they were committed.

The indictment says that as head of Jemaah Islamiyah, Bashir made the provocation in April 2000 when he inspected the graduation ceremony of the group's Hudaibiyah military training camp in the Philippines. During that visit, Bashir addressed militants with "instructions on jihad (holy war) and recounted his meeting with Osama bin Laden", the document said. The cleric then ordered a man named Imron Bayhaqi to "deliver Osama bin Laden's fatwa to wage war and kill Americans and their allies" to the group's regional commanders. April 2001 allegedly saw Bashir in the central Indonesian city of Solo. He told Bayhaqi, Malaysian national Muhamad Nasir bin Abas and several others to hit targets "belonging to Western infidels". Bashir's lawyers, who could be defending the cleric within two weeks, described the charge sheet as "complete hogwash that has many legal loopholes".
"Lies! All lies!"
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 3:33:22 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does a bird have feathers? Is granny a virgin?
Posted by: wits0 || 10/18/2004 9:18 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Looks like there's another Canuck in Chechnya
The mystery surrounding the reported death last week of a Canadian in warn-torn Chechyna deepened today with word that another B.C. man with him apparently is missing. A Foreign Affairs spokesman confirmed the department has been asked to look into the second man's whereabouts. "The information has been brought to our attention and the Canadian embassy in Moscow has been instructed to run the information by the relevant Russian authorities," Reynald Doiron said from Ottawa. News reports have identified the man as Kamal Elbahja of suburban Maple Ridge. He was reportedly travelling with Rudwan Khalil Abubaker of Vancouver, whom Russian authorities said last today was killed in strife-torn Chechnya.
That's a heck of a wrong turn from Kamloops.
Russian officials said the man they identified as Rudwan Khalil was killed along with three gunmen by special forces in a mountainous region of the southern republic. A Russian television report included video of a Canadian passport and B.C. driver's licence in the name of Rudwan Khalil. Foreign Affairs had no explanation for the discrepancy in the names.
Duh. Abubaker is his "Lion of Islam (TM)" nom de mujahid. But why should the vaunted Cdn Department of Foreign Affairs be expected to know that?
But lawyer Phil Rankin, representing Abubaker's family, said it may have originated in documents when Abubaker and his older siblings came to Canada as refugees in the 1980s. Rankin has been hired to help the family retrieve Abubaker's body from Chechnya. "They would like to see if he's dead or not," Rankin said in an interview. "They're not sure because they've never seen the picture of his body."
Insert your own Monty Python joke ---> Here.
Doiron said Russian authorities have not yet confirmed Abubaker's identity or provided details on how he died.
Painfully, we hope.
Russian officials claimed the man they called Khalil was an explosives expert working with militant insurgents fighting to split Chechnya from the Russian federation. A spokesman at the Russian embassy in Ottawa said today he had no new information about the case. Rankin said Abubaker's family reported he and Elbahja went to Dubai for a holiday and visited Abubaker's father in Saudi Arabia.
Soddy Arabia, you say? Hmmmmmmm...yes, it's all very mysterious.
The family got a call from a cousin in Dubai in late August saying he and Elbahja had decided to go to Azerbaijan, which borders on Chechnya, to attend the wedding of friend Azar Tagiev. The trip would have required travelling to Russia to get a connecting flight to Baku, capital of the former Soviet republic.
Azerbaijani weddings usually require a pit stop for automatic weapons and ammo too...
Tagiev, 31, was an immigrant to Canada living in the Vancouver area before returning to his homeland last May, according to his former boss. "This was a man that decided to go and immerse himself in religion," said Percy von Lipinski, president of Visa Connection Ltd., which helps travellers to arrange visas to many foreign countries.
Gotta love a name like Percy von Lipinski.
Abubaker, 26, was born in the Sudanese city of Kassala but grew up in Vancouver. He completed a computer software program at Vancouver Community College but worked as a salesman in a clothing store and as a sometime model and movie extra. A spokeswoman for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service would not comment on the family's report they were visited by CSIS agents last Saturday.
Born in Sudan, studying computers in Canada, friends with employees of Percy the visa fixer, father in Soddiland, found dead in Chechnya. A quiet boy, kept to himself.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 3:29:57 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I was just up in Toronto. Lots of south asians and "halal" signs in restaurants. Watch out Canucks, or those immigration policies will come back to bite you.
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 8:56 Comments || Top||

#2  And they're about to break ground for one of those wahhab Mega-Mosques in T.O. as well...
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#3  ohfergawdsakes!
Posted by: Rafael || 10/18/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Why is it that the Canadians we hear about in these reports never seem to have names like "Ian McCormick" or "John Westminster"? Am I the only one who notices a distinct pattern in their names?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste || 10/18/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#5  That's not very tolerant of you, SBB. Polite people are raised not to notice such things, and certainly not to raise the issue in public.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 16:05 Comments || Top||

#6  If they once had names like that, Steven, they abandoned them in favor of muslim names when they converted. Either that, or they used Canada as a transit point in their life-long odessy for jihad and Islam.

"Aye, I be Ian McCormick unt I be gangin' tuh Chechnya tuh tak oot the Infidel Roosians, Inshallah!"

And that's the last we saw or heard from our boyhood chum Ian......***sigh***
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#7  they sound like Esquimeaux to me... is that what SDB's referring to?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#8  "Aye, I be Ian McCormick unt I be gangin' tuh Chechnya tuh tak oot the Infidel Roosians, Inshallah!"

Thanks a lot, AP; that made me fall out of my chair onto the floor, now I think I've broke something.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/18/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#9  Dave D.---Normally I would put a coffee or floor alert before my posting, but it would ruin the spontaniety of the little ditty. Please accept my humble apologies to the accelerated depreciation of your frame.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#10  It is amazing how narrow-minded and full of hate all of you are. You do not even now the man and you are willing to malign Mr. Khalil in a sadistic fashion. That is why we have wars and pain and suffering; there are too many hateful people who jump to conclusions. The end result is they act on their stupid assumptions, and we have chaos and strife. Do me a favor; get some reading done on the history of that region and the man before you post such cocksure comments. Civil discourse!!! Yeah, right.
Posted by: Ulique Clavise4987 || 10/21/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||

#11  You know what, I personally knew Rudwan, and none of that bullshit about him being a "bomb expert" is true. The dude was a model, and not a terrorist.
Posted by: Jennifer || 10/23/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#12  a dead model in Chechnya, huh, Jennifer?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#13  Can you describe for us the modelling gig he had in Chechnya? Are AK47s and explosives fashion accessories in Vancouver?
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#14  Thats not fucking funny. He was a good friend of mine, and he was taking a connecting flight in Chechnya to go to one of his friends weddings. He will be greatly missed by all who knew him.
Posted by: Jennifer || 10/23/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#15  Hmmmm - Jennifer and Ibraheem/CandyMan 2001 sound soooooo much alike I could almost hear both lies at once.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#16  Even if legit - coming to Rantburg is idiocy. Mourn your friend in private. All else is JERKING OFF IN PUBLIC.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||


Europe
Germany waiting to extradite Darkazanli
German authorities on Saturday said they were awaiting a formal request from Spain to extradite a Syrian-German businessman suspected of being a key al-Qaeda figure. Mamoun Darkazanli, 46, was taken into custody in Hamburg on Friday under a Spanish warrant. Spanish authorities allege that Darkazanli, who can be seen in a 1999 video at a wedding with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, was "the permanent contact person and assistant of Osama bin Laden in Germany," according to a statement from Hamburg authorities. He is accused of having given logistical and financial support to the network in Spain, Germany and Britain since 1997. Hamburg judicial spokeswoman Sabine Westphalen said authorities are awaiting a formal extradition request from Spain. That would be followed by a court decision on whether to allow the extradition, which the German government would have to endorse. "The government sees no obstacles to an extradition at present, assuming all legal requirements are met," Justice Ministry spokeswoman Eva Schmierer said.
"Please, just come and get him. We want him gone."
Darkazanli's lawyer refused to comment on the accusations against his client, complaining that Spanish authorities have yet to present him with the indictment. "So long as we are not familiar with the files and the accusations, we are not going to say anything," lawyer Andreas Beurskens said by telephone. He did say Darkazanli has said "he has done nothing criminal or worthy of reproach."
Depending, of course, on how one defines one's terms.
Darkazanli faces up to 12 years in prison if convicted of membership in a terrorist organization. German authorities said Friday they arrested Darkazanli because he was a flight risk. The weekly Der Spiegel reported that Darkazanli's wife had left for his native Syria before his arrest, but Beurskens denied that.
"She's, um, washing her hair right now..."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 3:11:00 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  who can be seen in a 1999 video at a wedding with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers

Another islamic weding, another al-Qaeda get-togther. This is why they developed the "Wedding Seeker" guidance software.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 8:26 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Firepower Demonstration For Iraqi Locals
FORWARD OPERATING BASE CALDWELL, Iraq — Iraqi Security Force's 30th Brigade Combat Team conducted a joint firepower demonstration with Multi-National Forces at the Kirkush Military Training Base on Oct. 14. The joint firepower demonstration was to show key Iraqi leaders and the local population the ability and resolve of Multi-National Forces to support the Iraqi Security Forces. Multi-National Forces synchronized the effects of artillery, aviation, and Iraqi Army ground maneuver forces, demonstrating Multi-National Force's and Iraqi Security Force's precision ability to eliminate threats while minimizing collateral damage and preventing civilian causalities. Local mayors, sheiks, and military leaders saw how accurate information on terrorists can lead to precise strikes reducing the danger to innocent people.
Message sent, "This could be you".
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 2:57:55 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "And that there is called a 'can of whupass'. Would you like some? No? Then you know what to do..."
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#3  That there is a can of Whupass.....
We got a 55 gallon unopened drum at camp.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Message sent: "tell us where the bad guys are, and we'll take care of them with no collateral damage -- trust us, just watch this..."
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 23:52 Comments || Top||


Zarqawi endorsement of Binny is credible
U.S. officials are calling credible a statement attributed to Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's militant group declaring allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

In the statement posted Sunday on Islamist Web sites, the Unification and Jihad group headed by al-Zarqawi promised bin Laden it would "listen to your orders."

A U.S. official said the pledge is in al-Zarqawi's interest "because it increases his standing to be seen as a senior al Qaeda leader." The statement is in al Qaeda's interest, the official said, because "it shows they have someone doing their bidding on the ground in Iraq."

The statement addressed bin Laden as "the sheik" and said al-Zarqawi's movement "badly needed" to join forces with al Qaeda.

"We will listen to your orders," it said. "If you ask us to join the war, we will do it and we will listen to your instructions. If you stop us from doing something, we will abide by your instructions."

U.S. intelligence officials have said there are ties between al-Zarqawi and al Qaeda, although they said the two groups sometimes competed for recruits and funds.

In June, the U.S. State Department offered $25 million for al-Zarqawi, saying he had "a long-standing connection to the senior leadership of al Qaeda." But other observers consider al-Zarqawi a potential rival to bin Laden, whose group was behind the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. (Full story)

Sunday's statement said al-Zarqawi has "exchanged views" with al Qaeda over the past eight months.

"They showed understanding for our strategy, and they showed their support for our strategy and style and system," the group's statement said.

Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, U.S. intelligence reports suggested al-Zarqawi had his leg amputated in a Baghdad hospital after being wounded fighting U.S. forces in Afghanistan. The allegation was part of Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2003 presentation to the U.N. Security Council in which he laid out the U.S. case for war.

But in April, a senior U.S. official said that report had been called into question: Al-Zarqawi was thought to have received medical treatment in Baghdad, but reports that he had his leg amputated appeared to have been incorrect, a U.S. official said.

Powell held up al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda-affiliated group operating in Baghdad as evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. He told the Security Council that after al Qaeda and the Taliban were ousted from Afghanistan, al-Zarqawi established a camp in northeastern Iraq to train terrorists in using explosives and poisons.

Intelligence services disagreed whether the camp was linked to Saddam Hussein's regime, and Iraqi officials steadfastly denied they had any ties to al Qaeda, insisting such charges were part of a U.S. disinformation effort to justify a military attack.

Powell said that during al-Zarqawi's stay in Baghdad, nearly two dozen of his associates set up a base of operations in the capital to move people, money and supplies throughout the country.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 2:56:49 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When I first read the headline I read:

Zarqawi endorsement of Kerry is credible

Need.... coffeee.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#2  CF, that is a distinction without much of a difference.
Posted by: Scott R || 10/18/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Zarqawi endorsement of Binny is credible

Left unmentioned was the development behind this determination; the discovery of a pair of well-used kneepads with Zarqawi's name on them in a raid on a Fallujah terrorist safe house.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 21:37 Comments || Top||


Fallujans flee en masse, Zarqawi's gonna fight
The collapse of peace talks between Fallujah representatives and the Iraqi government signaled an end of hope for Ahmad Salim last Thursday. The generator mechanic loaded his tearful family into a car and escaped the embattled city of Fallujah by way of dusty farm tracks.

Already 80 percent of the city's population of 300,000 has made the same decision, he estimates, even as the intense US bombardments over the weekend gave way to relative quiet Monday.

"We were happy when the negotiations started, but were shocked when they arrested [chief Fallujah representative Sheikh Khaled] al-Jumaili," says Mr. Salim, speaking at a relative's home in Baghdad, where he has brought his wife and three children to wait out the conflict. "I think the Americans will wipe Fallujah from the map."

Salim's thinking provides a glimpse into the world view of ordinary Fallujans, who say they are torn between their wish for peace, their opposition to the US presence, and their disgust for the tactics of terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which include suicide bombings, attacks, and kidnappings of foreigners that have ended in gruesome videotaped beheadings.

Iraq's interim government has vowed to "smash" all resistance before January elections. After months of ignoring Sunni strongholds like Fallujah - virtual no-go zones - US forces earlier this month began a major, rolling offensive to reclaim insurgent territory.

The US push now is to conquer Fallujah, root out the local resistance, and eject Zarqawi and his band of foreign militants. But the release Monday of Mr. Jumaili, after three days, illustrates the delicate nature of the cold-then-hot US approach. Fallujans were "surprised" at his detention, and upon release, Jumaili declared that talks would not resume.

"I think the residents of Fallujah don't want this sort of peace," the bearded cleric said after his release. "They want a real peace, not a peace that stabs in the back and strikes and destroys homes and kills women."

On Monday, Allawi told Iraq's National Council that an "olive branch" is still being offered to Fallujah representatives, but he said, "We shall not be lenient in regard to the question of maintaining security and granting security to every Iraqi."

Complicating the picture is the interim government's demand that Fallujans hand over Mr. Zarqawi. City negotiators say that task is "impossible," and claim that the Jordanian militant is not in the city.

In a declaration issued on the Internet - surprising for its timing, if not its substance - Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group on Sunday pledged its allegiance to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda's strategy of battling the "enemies of Islam." Some analysts say that the announcement was an attempt by Zarqawi to entice new recruits.

As the Americans step up aggressive tactics against the city and prospects for a negotiated settlement appear to dim, civilians tired of the conflict are fleeing.

"Violence begets violence," says Salim. "Of course we are against these terrorist operations. No Muslim would allow himself to cut someone's throat. Our holy book says: 'If you capture someone, you must feed them, even with your own food.' "

But just as Salim rejects Zarqawi's methods, he also believes that Fallujah has been unfairly singled out for attack.

"We hate anyone who comes to [occupy] our city. Most people refuse to allow foreign [fighters] to go there," says Salim. "There are many operations across Iraq - car bombs, mortars, everything - not just in Fallujah. Why do they insist [on targeting] Fallujah, and one man?"

Salim says his experience is common to many Fallujans, who have been rattled by weeks of nightly airstrikes and fearful expectations of an imminent US-led military siege and push on the city that promises heavy casualties on both sides.

When the US Marines engaged the Fallujah resistance for three weeks last April - in the aftermath of the killing and mutilation of four American contractors - more than 100 marines and 600 Iraqis died. US forces have since ceded the city to the resistance.

The result is new fear that is tearing at family social fabric, which Iraqis say has only hardened attitudes against American efforts.

Throughout the conversation, Salim's young face lights up only once: when describing the purchase of new clothes and schoolbooks for his two oldest children.

Classes began Oct. 1, and lasted just two days. Since then, the children have hardly slept, their parents say, kept awake by the constant crash and vibrations of explosions.

"I'm afraid because the planes bomb our district and we can't go to school," says Salim's 10-year-old son Ala. "We can't go to school for fear of attack."

Salim turns up the volume of the television, as the Al Jazeera channel shows headlines of several wounded children in a Fallujah hospital, and reports that the US bombing intensified on Sunday.

Media reports cited witnesses, who said that during a nine-hour battle Sunday, US forces fired on a family trying to escape, killing all five. News agencies reported Fallujah doctors saying that four civilians were killed, including a child.

"We are just concerned with living in safety," says Salim's wife, who wears a conservative white head wrap over a black shawl. "Sure, when you leave your city you are sad. We've left a father and mother and a house and more family. We are always thinking about them."

Personal experience with civilian casualties during the latest surge of fighting, and the battles last April, convinced the Salim family to go.

"What did this teach us about the Americans?" asks Mrs. Salim. "First we thought the Americans came to liberate our country, but now our conclusion is the opposite. We know they came to destroy our country."

Reversing that perception will not be easy, in a city where US and Iraqi forces are erring on the side of striking first and asking questions later.

One source close to the Iraqi leadership says that US airstrikes are "hitting a lot of people, [and] not that every one is a target. The intelligence isn't great - but there comes a point when you just go."

Though the US asserts that nearly every attack is a "precision strike" on a target related to Zarqawi's network, civilians have inevitably died is the urban environment.

Some were killed two weeks ago, when a huge air-dropped bomb landed a few hundred yards from Salim's house at 2 a.m. - a wake-up call that shook the family to their core. The children came running to their father's bed, looking for sanctuary.

"I held all my family together and said: 'We die just once in this life, not twice. Thank God, [the bombing] was far from us.'" Salim recalls. Within 30 minutes - after waiting, in case of a second US strike - Salim made his way in the dark down to the two-family house that was targeted.

He will never forget the image that greeted him, and never forgive.

"Most of them were children, all of them dead," Salim says, of the families he helped dig out of the rubble with bare hands. "When something happens, everybody runs there to help rescue, like an ambulance - maybe a friend will be [the victim] there."

Salim says he gave blood twice that day. And there are other shortages - especially of anesthetics. The targeted house often hosts weddings and other gatherings. "Maybe the Americans thought: Why are there so many cars there? The father had a trucking business."

Whatever the reasons, the lesson for the Salim family was that their survival was at risk in Fallujah, regardless of their political views.

"I can't describe the feelings of that day," says Mrs. Salim, recalling her husband's vivid description of the bomb scene. "It's not just fear for your family - maybe your neighbor or a relative can be killed, by a misfired rocket, maybe randomly. Even walking in the street."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 2:54:45 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Salim’s thinking provides a glimpse into the world view of ordinary Fallujans, who say they are torn between their wish for peace, their opposition to the US presence, and their disgust for the tactics of terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which include suicide bombings, attacks, and kidnappings of foreigners that have ended in gruesome videotaped beheadings.

This sentence sums up the problems and tough choices of the civilians in Fallujah. Nobody wants an occupying power in their land, even if it is us lovable cuddly Merkins. However, due to circumstances beyond their control, Fallujah has become one of those points of focus and conflict in the WoT, just like innumerable other towns in WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, etc.

Because of the nature of the conflict, civilians wanting to be left alone and hoping to be left out of the conflict will realize that they will not get what they want. They will have 4 choices:
1. Flee Fallujah for a while until the conflict ends and hope that their homes were not trashed or destroyed during the conflict.
2. Throw their lot in with Zarqawi in hopes that he will win.
3. Assist the Coalition in ratting out Zarqawi and his minions so these thugs and their heinous activities are forever gone from Fallujah.
4. Straddle the fence and play both sides.

The head of the household will pick No. 1 if he values the safety and existance of his family.

Picking No. 2 means that he is an idiot, as it is only a matter of time before the terrorists are exterminated.

Picking No. 3 would be a couragous thing to do, but it is fraught with danger, esp. to his family.

Picking No. 4 means that he is a total moron.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#2  We may or may not bag Zaraqawi personally, but there is no doubt at all that his cannon-fodder will be slaughtered in a sniper-fest of unprecented proportions. In making a 19th century technology, the sniper rifle, our most feared weapon, US forces have directly confronted and destroyed one of the left's favorite strawmen, that American forces are cowards who rely solely much on high technology.
I seriously think that we should further defy international propaganda by displaying Zaraqawi's severed head on television, thereby exposing the craven hypocrisy of those who would react with horror and outrage to this after doing everything possible to justify Zarqawi's own, much worse, outrages.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Er, "unprecedented"
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#4  I second that notion, Atomic Conspiracy; either show his head on TV, or prod him in public with his genitals removed!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Do you think that Al-Jazz would play the pic of Zarqawi's head on a stick, or would that be too in-sennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn-sitive?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#6  oh! the humiliation! the Arab Street™ would seethe!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#7  the "Ultimate Humiliation" for Zarqawi's "Ultimate Jihad" -

Through him in a vat full of of pig guts, heads and feet, used sanitary napkins, piss, and brown trout. Make him wallow around in that for a while and then parade him down the street nude, in chains with panties on his head, and on 2 leashes that are led by a dog and monkey while people spit on him.

I'd execute him by suffocation by stuffing pages from Allan's Korn down his throat.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 10/18/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#8  This sentence sums up the problems and tough choices of the civilians in Fallujah.

It's not rocket science, and the seeming inability of the typical Fallujan to comprehend the matter is rather pathetic. The problem is the presence of Zarqawi and people of his mindset, and when these types are finally tossed out, peace will surely follow. The only question is whether Iraqis or the U.S. will do it. And a U.S. presence is going to be unavoidable, so these idiots are going to have to get used to it. They could help themselves a lot more if they decided to wise up and straighten their act out.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 16:29 Comments || Top||

#9  "Violence begets violence," says Salim

Heh! Got that right, Salim. Fallujans allowed the "insurgents" to beget violence on our troops and now the Fallujans are going to beget'n it back in a very big way.

Since 9/11, the only wha-wha-wha that Americans are interested in is that from our victims here at home.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||

#10  someone explain too me why we keep having peace talks with a bunch of killers who are against peace?
Posted by: smokeysinse || 10/18/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#11  Number 4 is the arab way AP and we must be senstive to their nuances.

Or shoot them, whichever is cheaper.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Number 4 is what the ME keeps trying. We must show them a better way, be it JDAM, Barrett, etc., or sitting down and reasoning together in the spirit of brotherly love and the fellowship of man. (Backed by JDAM, Barrett, etc.)
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#13  someone explain too me why we keep having peace talks with a bunch of killers who are against peace?

So we have time to lay out all the best lines of fire?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#14  Seems like the prudent thing to do is get Zarquawi and his thugs ASAP. This should straighten out a lot of problems both here and there.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 10/18/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#15  I'd play a tune on my nanoviolin, but I sneezed and have no idea where it is now on my desk...
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#16  "I think the Americans will wipe Fallujah from the map." Ok who leaked our Super Secret plan? I hope this is the plan, if not it ought to be!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 19:15 Comments || Top||

#17  dont mean get offn subject and mebe you guys are already discuss this but ima see this lefty blogs today http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7077.htm. any truth you guys are know to this? is china have osama?
Posted by: muck4doo || 10/18/2004 21:02 Comments || Top||

#18  Mucky that is some wacked out moonbatery.
If China had Ossama they would be publicizing it.
They have nothing to gain by hiding him and trading him to "Bush"
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||

#19  Well, Mucky, you've provided a link. That's evidence. Incontrovertible. I'm Sold.
Posted by: Mickey Silvester || 10/18/2004 21:16 Comments || Top||

#20  yeah thatn what im figure. just wanted know ifn anyone else was heard somthin like this. theres lotsa peples out there right now who are believe it. figured i was ask you guys first.
Posted by: muck4doo || 10/18/2004 21:19 Comments || Top||

#21  Personally, I think the 21st century world needs an "example" city - something like Dresden in World War II - to represent the idea that local communities who side with arch-terrorists - or even tolerate their presence - lose their rights to persist as recognizable human habitations.

As far as I am concerned, if educated people all over the world - the next 100 - or even 1,000 years - whisper the name "Fallujah"in referring to the ultimate destruction that can befall a small town that sponsors terrorist assholes - the the people of Fallujah will have fulfilled their destinies.

Cry me a river ....

Forever more: "This shattered landscape is what is left of the site that was once known as the town of Fallujah - before the inhabitants allowed foreign terrorists to take over"
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 10/18/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||

#22  Which should we sue, MOAB plus or MOAB Pro?
Posted by: Mickey Silvester || 10/18/2004 21:32 Comments || Top||

#23  After they get him...Can I buy Zarqawi's balls? I would like to hang them over my fireplace for christmas, along with two little bells!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||

#24  Raze Fallujah and salt the ground. Film it. Distribute DVDs. Make sure it becomes a legend told thousands of years from now, as the destruction of Carthage is still told.

I am very serious.

That town must be made an example. It doesn't matter how many people die there (or rather it does, as it did in Hiroshima, Dresden, Tokyo, and Berlin). If we are going to WIN this WAR we must be willing to DESTROY the ENEMY no matter how many INNOCENTS die BECAUSE of the enemy's EVIL actions.

If we shrink from destroying the enemy's nest, the West is doomed.

And by the way, the enemy's true nests are in Mecca and Tehran.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/19/2004 0:03 Comments || Top||


SECURITY OPERATIONS CONTINUE IN FALLUJAH
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Multi-National Force-Iraq continued increased security operations Oct. 17 to isolate anti-Iraqi forces in order to disrupt their capabilities to plan, coordinate and execute criminal acts against the Iraqi people and government. Iraqi security forces and Marines with the I Marine Expeditionary Force continue to man positions outside the city and have established vehicle checkpoints. Since Oct. 14, the combined force has conducted coordinated actions to locate, isolate and defeat terrorist groups. The effort is part of an operation to stop terrorists from conducting attacks throughout Iraq.
During operations Oct. 17, Marines returned insurgent small arms fire, sniper fire, mortar fire and rocket-propelled grenades. The Marines engaged with small arms fire, crew-served weapons, main tank guns, and artilery. The attack originated from positions and buildings in eastern and southern Fallujah. Insurgents then fired accurate and sustained small arms fire that escalated to heavy machine gun and indirect fire during a firefight lasting just over nine hours.
After close air support was requested and several precision-guided munitions were dropped, insurgents were seen putting their mortar tubes into a taxi and pickup trucks then driving to a mosque. They were witnessed entering a mosque. Marines did not fire upon the mosque.
That'll be cleared by Iraqi forces at a later date.

The strikes successfully took out the buildings from which insurgents were located. Other strikes interdicted mortar teams and anti-Iraqi forces. Multiple fighter aircraft, expending various types of precision munitions, were used on more than 10 AIF positions. The air strikes began late morning and continued into the afternoon.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 2:48:02 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  kick butt.
forget the names.
collect the body parts.
send them home to mama in soddie, syria, gaza, yemen, iran, chechnya and any place else that fosters these sub humans.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/18/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Pimpin' the Pulpit [This means YOU, Kerry]
EFL. Hat tip: Instapundit
Not too long ago, the pulpit was thought of as a most holy, sacred, and revered location. It was a place from which tremendous leaders of centuries past gave instruction from the Bible, and great messages of hope and empowerment were preached to the masses. In the black community especially, the pulpit has long been considered one of the most time-honored places of influence - except during presidential elections.

Every four years, the pulpit gets pimped.
Ain't it the truth!
*snip*


When a presidential election year rolls around, groups that may or may not have been important during those last three years, suddenly become the object of the vultures' affection. This year, the head vulture is John Kerry.
Well, he does look the part.
*snip*


When director of the Christian Defense Coalition, Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney wanted to launch a two-week prayer tour in support of President Bush, the Americans United for Separation of Church and State were there in the wings, threateningreminding everyone that churches that support or oppose a Republican candidate may face fines, an IRS audit and loss of tax-exempt status.

The all too frequent reminder of tax-exempt status doesn't seem to come up when Kerry is painfully mis-interpreting scripture across the country at whatever "black church" will have him. It's selective regulation against Republicans only and it's glaringly obvious.

When Florida pastor Gaston E. Smith declared before his congregation that God had chosen John Kerry to "bring our country out of despair, discouragement, despondency, and disgust," there wasn't much heard from the far left moonbat church and state separatist peanut gallery.

We can make this into an issue about 501(c)(3) regulations or the morality of using the church to further a political cause. However, first and foremost, there is a blatant double standard being exercised and it needs to be addressed but won't be until the MSM as a group speak up, which means never.

Thankfully, some churches are standing up and exposing the true hearts of politicians. Recently, the pastor of Apostolic Life Cathedral, Rev. E.S. Harper, decided against allowing Kerry to use their church as a political platform. Kerry cancelled his visit soon after.
What a shocker.
Coincidence? Let's not play Democrat strategist dumb.

Politicians show their faces in churches once every four years and it is entirely self-serving. Many pimping pastors and their congregants people know this yet casually sit back and allow the pulpit, once a place of reverence, to become a partisan place of manipulation of power.

As with all abusive relationships, intervention is necessary. The pimping must stop.

Amen, brother! A rightous bitch-slapping of the pandering purveyors of platitudes.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/18/2004 2:36:27 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  WTG Rev Harper.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#2  *thumbs up* A church can and should address issues, but should stop after telling the people to pray before voting.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 19:17 Comments || Top||


Another Druggie For Kerry
The Ohio billionaire who escaped a drugs conviction in New Zealand has poured millions into John Kerry's presidential election campaign. Peter Lewis, also a multimillion-dollar backer of attempts to liberalise America's marijuana laws, spent eight months fighting the Herald's attempts to name him when he was caught importing drugs here during the America's Cup. Lewis was discharged without conviction, after customs officers found cannabis in his luggage at Auckland Airport, and on his luxury converted tug Lone Ranger. He escaped conviction after making a $53,000 donation to drug rehabilitation centre Odyssey House and had his name suppressed - a decision eventually overturned by the Court of Appeal.
Bought his way out jail, did he?
The episode is widely reported in the US, and on internet sites detailing his involvement with Democratic-friendly political advocacy and advertising.
Not so widely that it doesn't bare repeating
Although a law passed two years ago in the United States tried to tighten the regulation of political spending, it can be avoided. The Centre for Responsive Politics says Lewis has now spent US$14.43 million ($20 million) in "soft money" donations to special-interest groups backing John Kerry's bid to oust George Bush as President.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 2:36:25 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "No weed and no munchies make Homer mumble mumble."

"Vote Democratic?"

"WHY, DON'T MIND IF I DO!"
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Mexico is al-Qaeda's back door into the US
INTELLIGENCE reports that 25 Chechen terrorism suspects have illegally entered the US from Mexico have refocused attention on a porous border from which many believe the next major attack on Americans could come. Despite the $US9 billion ($12.326 billion) budget, and assurances from President George W. Bush that border security is tighter than it has ever been, public figures of all political stripes in the border states say the danger of al-Qa'ida infiltrating the US from Mexico has never been higher. The Washington Times newspaper reported that a source told US intelligence officers the Chechens, seen carrying backpacks, were shepherded from northern Mexico in July through a remote mountainous region of Arizona that is notoriously difficult to patrol.

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Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/18/2004 2:34:24 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Except if Bush had taken the stiff-spined way; i.e. enforcing border security, getting Arabic speakers down there, making sure only legals get drivers licenses, only citizens being able to vote (upon proof of citizenship,etc.,) he would have solidified a lot of votes among Regan Dems. Instead he's triangulated to please the Mexican vote, folks who will not vote for him anyway. Plus, and most important, he would have helped make us safer and let illegals and Mex. govt. know we were serious about security. It's as simple as that. You wanna be here? Fine, show me docs/Apply for docs back home. In the meantime you can't be here and next time, you may serve hard time. Not racist, but racial. There's a difference. Those of us who have lived abroad had to deal with ID's and work permits. So what's the problem? You take the time and money to do things right. I know the answer to my question, but I'm disappointed he's so PC-sensitive in this domaine.
Posted by: chicago mike || 10/18/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Sunday, on the front doorstep (literally) of Ft. Huachuca, a truck full of illegal aliens overturned due to a police chase - killing at least 6 and wounding 25+. This truck could have easily carried explosives and barreled its way into the aforementioned "Fort"... I am not a "red-neck border watcher", but still am alarmed sitting here 70 miles northwest in Tucson...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/18/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
The Curse of the Iceman?
A German hiker who in 1991 discovered the mummified remains of a prehistoric man has gone missing while walking in bad conditions in the Alps.Helmut Simon, 67, was last seen on Friday morning setting out for a walk in Salzburg, Austria. Rescue teams have scoured the area but found no trace. Heavy snowfall over the weekend has raised fears Mr Simon has not survived.
"If ya have any sense at all, you'll no good lookin' for tha man. He's lost, an' ya'll never see 'im ag'in. At least, not alive. Ya 'ave nae heard about the curse? I'll tell ya about the curse. T'was 'im: he was the one who found the last poor soul, the Ice-Man: the last man tae suffer the curse..."
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 2:33:49 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  < halloween voice > The glacier requires a sacrifice. Since this man took the previous sacrifice, he will now take his place... < /halloween voice >
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/18/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Sold them St. Bernards a little toooo soon.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||

#3  It never fails to amaze me how stupidity abounds in such endeavers. No cell phone...no transponder...no flares...no hike path left beforehand! How ironic should someone find him in a thousand years with no balls!!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 22:55 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Clinton mends slowly after heart surgery
Former United States President Bill Clinton has been recuperating from heart surgery at a slower pace than he expected. It has limited his involvement in John Kerry's campaign, the Washington Post said.
Gee, that's too bad. And a very handy excuse as well.
Clinton has experienced fatigue and gets exhausted after completing walks under 2km that are part of his recovery regimen, the Post said, citing friends of the former Democratic President. He had quadruple bypass surgery on September 6 and has been recovering at his home in Chappaqua, New York.
But not to worry, he'll be up and chasing interns after November 2nd.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 2:26:57 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get well soon, Bill. Your party needs you! *snurfle*
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Hillary's been under the weather, too. Honest.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#3  "Gee, John, I'll be fit as a fiddle in 2008, and if Hillary doesn't run {fat chance}, give me a call. We'll talk..."
Posted by: BigEd || 10/18/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Got it in one, Steve. He'll be miraculously "cured" come Nov. 3 - even though "Miracle Healer" Kerry's not elected.

These clowns are so transparent.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/18/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Canberra rejects UN Iraq troop request
AUSTRALIA has quietly rejected diplomatic overtures from the United Nations and the US to contribute to a military force to protect UN officials in Iraq. The requests, made through Australia's diplomatic missions in New York and Washington, came as UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan was struggling to gain international support for a security force to protect UN officials working in Iraq. With only a handful of small nations, including Fiji, responding to the call for help, the UN has had to fall back on the fully stretched US military for protection. It has sought at least 500 military personnel or police as well as other specialist advisers to ensure the security of the UN mission in Baghdad. The lack of adequately trained security forces has handicapped the UN in its determination to assume a wider role in Iraq and assist the Iraqi Government with planning for the January 2005 national election.
The real story here is how the supporters of the UN are, when push comes to shove, unwilling to support the UN. Where are the multi-nationalists - France, Spain, etc.? It may be finally dawning on the multi-nationalists that a UN without US, UK, Australian suppport aint worth much.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 2:24:41 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perhaps Kofi Annan should reflect on some of his past intemperate speech about Australlas treatment of refugees and other issues.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 9:12 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm just glad the Australians have done as much as they have.

The cynic in me wonders if Iraq might be better off without UN help for running its first real election. So many UN members seem to do without them.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Slammed that door nicely on that prick, mate. Good show.
Posted by: wits0 || 10/18/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#4  The cynic in me wonders if Iraq might be better off without UN help for running its first real election.

The cynic in me wonders if the Iraqis will remember how the UN brought them liberty.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps Kerry will go after November. You know what a mighty warrior he is for the United Nations.

On the other hand he probably will be having a manicure....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#6  The US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. The UN is is nothing but a country club for anti-democratic kleptocrats.
Posted by: SR71 || 10/18/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Expat Workers Left High & Dry in Jeddah Compound
JEDDAH, 18 October 2004 — Expat workers located in a compound near Jeddah are living in fear for their lives because of inadequate security. They say that due to their company's failure to pay the rent on their compound, security levels are very low. Electricity and water have been switched off, leaving pregnant women and the chronically ill in very unpleasant circumstances. Many who have decided to leave cannot because they have not been paid their wages and are concerned about their end of service benefits. The workers — citizens of the United States, Canada and South Africa among others — have been contracted by DIFA (an English rendering of the Arabic word for "defense") to provide training and maintenance services for Lockheed C-130 aircraft.
I'm sure this will do wonders for their job performance.
Security inside the compound has all but disappeared because guards have not been paid. Electronic security cameras are infrequently, or no longer, functioning because electricity has been cut.
Why don't you just give their address to the boomers?
Living conditions have deteriorated recently because the compound has not paid many of its outstanding debts. "The Saudi Electricity Company terminated power on Oct. 13 for non-payment," a note issued to the compound residents on Saturday said. "Water has been rationed because Al-Safyah Water Company has reduced our allocation of water from 18 truckloads per day to only 10 truckloads per day. We have not been able to pay the company for three months."
One of the tenants, who declined to be named, explained that DIFA had been paid by the government but had not paid rent or salaries. "The rent payable by DIFA for our housing is SR5,000,000 annually and it hasn't been paid for 18 months." The result is that families are currently living without air-conditioning and running water. The note also stated, "The last of our money has been used to rent generators for one week. If we do not receive any funds from DIFA by Tuesday, Oct. 20, we will lose the generators and the entire compound will be without power or water."
Company took the money and ran, leaving the workers to fend for themselves?
The loss of power will also affect the sewage disposal system on the compound and consequently increase the health risks to the occupants. "My wife is pregnant and has asthma and I'm worried because without air-conditioning she's more likely to have an asthma attack," said another resident. Over the last few months DIFA has increasingly delayed payments of salaries to Western expatriates and has not paid some employees, such as Pakistanis and Filipinos, at all for months. Last evening, Pakistanis and Filipinos were chopping up wooden garden fences to use as fuel for cooking.
"Unless this money is forthcoming, we will be unable to maintain services to the villas," said the notice to residents. "It is very unlikely that the villas will be available to DIFA for housing their employees at the end of the current contract." For the South Africans working for DIFA, this is a particularly serious problem. South Africans are subject to hefty fines if any of their bills are paid late. "The whole situation has made it no longer worth living here," said one South African. "All it has done is increase my debt and I cannot leave because I have not been paid either salary or end of service benefit." Arab News telephoned the director of operations of the company responsible for the compound but at the time of publication, no response had been received.
A Google search gives the following information on DIFA:
Durango Human Resource Management Services (DHRMS) is a U.S. company which recruits and assists in the administrative processing of qualified personnel to fill positions in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. DIFA Operation and Maintenance is a Saudi company which employs and administers those personnel on behalf of the Royal Saudi Air Force.
DIFA O&M is a subsidiary of ZAN Trading Co. Ltd., a renowned company in the international defense community for over twenty years. DIFA was specifically founded to support the world's third largest C-130 aircraft maintenance program for the Royal Saudi Air Force. The substantial experience gained in the defense sector (hence the name DIFA, which translates into "defense") over the past years by the ZAN Group of Companies, contributes to the overall success of the operation.

So, it's a Saudi company who's stiffing the infidel maintenance troops and their families. Guess they're not too concerned about those planes being able to fly much longer.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 2:10:34 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the planes they will fly
god willing if not they not
rust wins yet again

i call this herkykoo
Posted by: half || 10/18/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Reasons for targeting of Chinese in Waziristan
EFL
The kidnapping of two Chinese engineers working in an irrigation project in South Waziristan in the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan by a group of pro-Osama bin Laden jihadi terrorists last week and the death of one of them on October 13, 2004, during a rescue operation mounted by the US-trained Special Services Group, the parent Army unit of Gen. Pervez Musharraf, draws attention once again to the growing threat to Chinese lives and interests in Pakistan from jihadi terrorists belonging to the International Islamic Front (IIF) of bin Laden. No official figures of the total number of Chinese engineers and other experts based in Pakistan are available. However, the "Dawn" of Karachi (October 17, 2004) puts their number at a couple of thousand. Reliable and independent sources divide these engineers and other experts into the following three groups:
* Those assisting Pakistan in the development of its nuclear and missile capability. They are helping Pakistan in the already commissioned Chashma I nuclear power station, in the designing and construction of the second nuclear power station called Chashma II, and in the running of the production facilities for the extraction of plutonium from spent nuclear fuel and for the assembly and fabrication of the Pakistani versions of the Chinese-designed M-9 and M-11 missiles. Those in this group constitute the largest number.

* Those assisting Pakistan in the construction of a new port at Gwadar in Balochistan, which is expected to reduce Pakistan's dependence on Karachi, presently Pakistan's only major international port and major naval base and in the exploitation of the rich mineral resources of the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, such as the Saindak copper ore project in Balochistan.

* Those assisting Pakistan in the economic development of the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in which South Waziristan is located and other tribal areas and of the Northern Areas (Gilgit and Baltistan) bordering the Xinjiang Province of China. They constitute the third largest group.

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Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 2:05:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yup - they've had a pop at the USA and Russia - so why not antagonise the Chinese, sounds sensible.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 7:47 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Islam: A Totalitarian Ideology? (Debate)
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 18:10 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  After reading "The Ottoman Centuries" by Lord Kinross, one of the best works out in paperback and to be recommended, I would not say "totalitarian", but extremely "authoritarian." A good comparison would be to a Mafia, where all activity is done for "the big boss", from whom also flows all largesse. In historical times, they had little if any government comparable to that of a modern state, and yet kept to such low-level controls as the ruler owning all lands, letting them be used by loyal subordinates for only one generation, not inheritable, before reverting in ownership to the ruler. The ruler has (keeping the Mafia analogy) Lieutenants, Consigliaries, and Torpedos. More complex than a typical Mafia, there are elaborate familial relationships and a quasi-governmental bureaucracy.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 21:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Good book, Anonymoose. Based upon my readings from Arendt, I'd say that the Islamic system encourages totalitarian leanings, or at least a strong bent towards authoritarian systems. But the mechanism of government or civil discourse is left open enough in Islam that it can't be said to *necessitate* statist systems. Repressive, yes, but not necessarily totalitarian.

But, debate what? This is like asking: "Is there gravity, or does the earth sucketh?" Not a lot of wiggle room.
Posted by: Asedwich || 10/18/2004 23:38 Comments || Top||

#3  The Ottoman invaded Greece, the Balkans, and threatened Vienna. They also practiced slavery and imposed dhimmitude on Christians and Jews.

Hardly authoritarian, little-control, elaborate, admirable, or respectable.

Despicable and hateful are the more appropriate terms.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/19/2004 0:13 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraq: Aussie hostage released
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 17:53 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
Spengler Asia Times:In praise of premature war
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 16:56 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
A very unusual, thought-provoking article.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/18/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||

#2  I want to see evidence that a thought was provoked. Provied links. Back at 9:00.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:42 Comments || Top||

#3  I agree fully with Mike Sylwester that it is a thought-provoking article.
Posted by: Steven Hawkings || 10/18/2004 20:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Thought-wise, this article was very provoking. It brought to mind many, many thoughts of the Peloponessian War and of other historical parallels.
Posted by: Victor Davis Hanson || 10/18/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Thought-wise, this article was very provoking. It brought to mind many, many thoughts of the Peloponessian War and of other historical parallels.
Posted by: Victor Davis Hanson || 10/18/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#6  hehe
Posted by: Anonymous6361 || 10/18/2004 21:41 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Al-Islam Group to Launch New Website
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News
Al-Islam Group, a charitable organization, plans to launch tomorrow a new website named quranforall.org and two CDs containing several books in multiple languages to celebrate Ramadan. "This is our third Islamic website," said Muhammad Abdul Mateen Osmani, director of the group. The websites were set up to disseminate the message of Islam all over the world, he added. The first website, launched in November 2002 received 2.3 million hits from people in 80 countries, Osmani pointed out. The second site named prophetmuhammadforall.org received 200,000 hits within six months of its launching in April 2004. "We developed the new site called quranforall.org as well as the two CDs named Explore Qur'an in Ramadan to celebrate the holy month in a unique and useful manner," Osmani said. "Many people think that the Qur'an is only for Muslims. Actually, it is a divine book of guidance for the whole humanity. In our new website and CDs you will find a lot of information about the Qur'an in English, Urdu and Telugu languages," he said.

Spelling out the special features of the new site, Osmani said it includes the Qur'an recitation by Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, one of the imams of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, and translation of the Qur'an in English, Urdu and Telugu. "It's the only website where you can read the full Qur'an translation of the late Islamic scholar Maulana Abul Aala Moudoodi in both English and Urdu," he pointed out.
Gee. Golly. Shucks. Oh, Mom! Lemme surf there!
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:59:44 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And if you're one the the first five hundred people to subscribe, you'll receive a complimentary DVD of "The Greatest Denunciations of Israel"!
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#2  like I want to join a religion that makes me walk around with a bag on my head and sets my to lower than the status of my dog.

Uh...no thanks.
Posted by: scoff || 10/18/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#3  you can read the full Qur’an translation of the late Islamic scholar Maulana Abul Aala Moudoodi in both English and Urdu,”

Sounds interesting, never read the Qur'an.
Posted by: AmericanIdiot || 10/20/2004 7:23 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
More on Arizona Crash of Illegal Alien SUV
Police on Sunday were still trying to determine who was driving a stolen truck loaded with illegal immigrants that smashed into other vehicles and rolled over, killing six people and injuring 15, some critically. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials questioned a man they had believed was the driver, but he turned out to be a passenger, said Arizona Department of Public Safety Sgt. Brian Preston. snip

Seventeen people were in the truck, including two women, 14 men and a boy. snipFive people died at the scene of the 11-car crash Saturday and one victim died later a hospital. Of the 15 injured, one person was on life support and six were in critical but stable condition.snip

Four suspected illegal immigrants were being interviewed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials in Naco, Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame said Sunday.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 1:45:43 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They're going to ship it over to Hangar 19, just down the road from the other crashed alien SUV.
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#2  The county's emergency medical budget just got blown for the next 10 years taking care of these nonpaying critical cases. Medical bills for everyone else will shoot way up to cover for these people. Wouldn't be surprised if the hospital, if small or medium sized, is forced to shut down.
Posted by: ed || 10/18/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd ben wondering what happened to St. Preston. Turned into a snowbird, eh? Hope he didn't taking King down there. PETA violation.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  BH! That's mean! Funny but mean. LOL
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Pickup truck?! I think the media owes the entire SUV community an apology! How quick they are to stereotype and jump to conclusions! All SUV's are NOT evil! SUV's are motor vehicles too! The NAASUV shall hear about this!
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||

#6  They had (?) a problem in San Diego with illegals driving at night, with lights off, on the opposite lanes of the freeway hoping to avoid known checkpoints.

They should just put those shred your tires if you backup over them things on freeways so that anyone going the wrong way can't do so for long.
Posted by: RJ Schwarz || 10/18/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Accident was at/near the MAIN GATE of Ft. Huachuca! Could just as easily have been a bomb-laden vehicle...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/18/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||

#8  How much more of this vehicular insurrectionism are we going to tolerate?

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 23:19 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Bogus voter registrations paid for with crack cocaine. (Guess which party)
From our "knew it along" file:
MAN GIVEN CRACK COCAINE TO REGISTER VOTERS ARRESTED IN OHIO

Mon Oct 18 2004 13:26:03 ET

The Defiance County Sheriff's Office arrested Chad Staton, age 22, of Stratton Ave., Defiance, on a charge of False Registration, in Violation of Section 3599.11 of the Ohio Revised Code, a felony of the fifth degree.

The Sheriff's Office alleges that Staton filled out over 100 voter registration forms that were fictitious. Staton was to be paid for each registration form that he could get citizens to fill out. However, Staton himself filled out the registrations and returned them to the woman who hired him from Toledo, Ohio. Deputies allege that Staton was paid crack cocaine for the falsified registrations.

Defiance Deputies along with Toledo Police Department detectives conducted a search warrant of a residence on Woodland in Toledo, believed to be the home of the woman who hired Staton to solicit voter registration. Officers confiscated drug paraphernalia along with voter registration forms from the home. The occupant of the home, Georgianne Pitts, age 41, advised law enforcement, along with Ohio B.C.I.&I., that she had been recruited by Thaddeus J. Jackson, II, of Cleveland, to obtain voter registrations. Pitts admitted to paying Staton crack cocaine for the registrations in lieu of money.

A business card provided by Pitts indicated that Jackson is the Assistant NVF Ohio Director of the NAACP National Voter Fund.

The initial complaint received by the Sheriff's Office came from the Defiance County Board of Elections. The Board had received the 100 plus registration forms from the Cuyahoga Board of Elections that had been submitted to the Cuyahoga Board by the NAACP National Voter Fund.

Developing...
No doubt the MSM will lead with this story tonight....{major sarcasm
Cheeze. The Drudge Reports are coming fast and furious today!
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 1:41:48 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, it can't be the Naderites. Something about how cocaine being harvested by slave labor, or something...
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Peruvian Democrat Marching Powder/Rocks
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#3  What's the "Ohio B.C.I.&I."? Sounds like one of Sen Kerry's mafia nuisances.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Bureau of Criminal Identification
& Investigation
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Thanks, Mrs D.

Please please please get this election over with
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Brings new meaning to the term smoking out voters...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/18/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||

#7  "We use only Fair Trade cocaine, harvested by happy vaqueros working for international suppliers!"
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Ohio B.C.I.&I

Perfectly good name for a railroad.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Nayef U. Signs Deal With UN Body to Curb Drug Trafficking
M. Ghazanfar Ali Khan, Arab News
Honest to Gawd, we don't make this stuff up...
The Naif Arab University for Security Sciences has signed a memorandum of understanding with Geneva-based United Nations Office for Combating Drugs and Crime which will enable the university to learn more from the experience of the UN agencies within an international framework. "The memorandum aims at enhancing scientific cooperation between the two parties to fight these social evils," said Dr. Abdul Aziz Al-Ghamdi, the university president, here yesterday. "This agreement will facilitate training of human resources to fight crime and drug trafficking on the local and regional level," he said.
Only in Soddy Arabia: the president of the Prince Nayef University of Higher Security is an al-Ghamdi...
The move to endorse the new agreement is significant in view of the growing incidence of drug trafficking and crime in the region. The Naif Arab University for Security Sciences seeks to fulfill the needs expressed by the Arab and Saudi law enforcement agencies for an academic institution that promotes research on security issues, drug-related subjects and conduct training courses that can contribute to the prevention and control of crime in the Arab countries. Moreover, Saudi Arabia, among other Arab countries, has been doing well in terms of foiling drug smuggling attempts, treating drug addicts and also in reducing local consumption of drugs and intoxicants. Not only this, Riyadh has also been rated as the third most important country by the UN in terms of the strength of its network of law enforcement agencies, which apply Shariah to curb drug trafficking.
Yeah, if you cut their tiny little beturbanned heads off, I guess that does cut the recidivism rate, doesn't it?
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:41:33 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:


Afghanistan/South Asia
Biography of the late Mufti Mohammad Jamil Khan
The mufti was from the Binori Town madrassa complex in Karachi, which is the theological center for all the Deobandi political and Jihadi groups. He and his peers are the ones who give religious legitimacy to the Jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir, as well as the apostisation of heretics within Pakistan.
Mufti Mohammad Jamil Khan's murder was the most high-profile in the recent spate of sectarian killings. The life of Mufti Mohammad Jamil Khan was a classic model of a Deobandi aalim, to be emulated by other Deobandi ulema. Hence, a high value target for the assassins. His death has deprived the Deobandi community of a leading aalim. He was born in 1953 in Karachi and did Daura-i-Hadith (course in the science of hadith) at the Jamia Uloom Islamia at Binori Town in Karachi in 1974. He also did a special two-year course to become a mufti. He was the spokesman and a member of the Almi Majlis Khatme Nabuwat of which he became a member in 1974. He fully participated in the anti-Ahmediya agitation in 1974 and was arrested during the movement. He also served as the central Information Secretary of the Jamiat Ulamae Islam (Fazlur Rehman) for some time.
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Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 1:36:54 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The SCIENCE of hadith!?!?!?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 8:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Art, science, totally making sh*t up; it's all the same to Allan.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 9:15 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran: Bullying Won't Stop Nuke Program
Iran reiterated Sunday that it won't accept any proposal depriving it of the right to enrich uranium, saying it can't be bullied into giving up its nuclear energy program, state media reported "Tehran will accept only proposals that meet Iran's national interests and its legitimate right to the peaceful use of nuclear technology," state-run television quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi as saying.

A group of European countries notified the United States on Friday that it intends to offer Iran a package of economic concessions and technological assistance in the hopes of persuading Tehran to give up its uranium-enrichment program. Asefi said Iran has voluntarily suspended actual enrichment of uranium — injecting hexafluoride gas into centrifuges — but that it won't accept a deal to make that suspension permanent because that would go against national interests. "One-side confidence-building measures are subject to change. Europe must accept that it won't get anything by issuing orders to Iran," state television quoted Asefi as saying.

Last month, the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors unanimously passed a resolution demanding that Iran freeze all work on uranium enrichment, including uranium reprocessing and building centrifuges used to enrich uranium. The IAEA will meet Nov. 25 to judge Iran's compliance. Iran has said the agency has no authority to ban it from enriching uranium, a right granted under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But Iran faces growing international pressure to suspend such activities as a good-faith gesture. Defying IAEA demands, Iran said earlier this month that it has converted a few tons of raw uranium into a hexafluoride gas, a stage prior to actual uranium enrichment. Uranium hexafluoride gas is the material that, in the next stage, is fed into centrifuges used to enrich uranium. Uranium enriched to a low level is used to produce nuclear fuel to generate electricity, and enriched further can be used to manufacture atomic bombs.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 1:35:38 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Europeans bullying? I though they were bending over and grabing their ankles. France is falling all over it's self getting ready to proliferate and sell bad stuff to them for some under the table money for the Worms retirement. He is going to need alot to stay out of jail.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 3:31 Comments || Top||

#2  SPod, "Europeans bullying" is just for public consumption. They would not disclose that EUros are bending over backwards and sending straw men only for appearances, now would they. That would be so undiplo! Especially when EUros are willing to sell a rope that Iran can later hang them with, say, in 4-6 years.

"They can't be that stupid, them EURos, can't they?"

Oh, yes! I am an optimist... human stupidity is infinite. :-)
Posted by: Memesis || 10/18/2004 5:01 Comments || Top||

#3  The Iranians are correct, bullying won't, bombing will. You may launch when ready, Gridley.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 7:54 Comments || Top||

#4  It amazes me that Iran is so vocal when they could be playing close to the vest and delaying the inevitable. Apparently thay haven't studied Kimmie's old Clinton-era playbook. Let the Whack-A-Mullah games begin!
Posted by: Tom || 10/18/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Sock Puppet of Doom, these turban heads have been projectiong their own evil on to others...the Great Satan thingy fits themselves well.
Posted by: wits0 || 10/18/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Haitian Leader: Aristide Behind Violence
Haiti's interim prime minister accused ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of directing a wave of violence from exile. Interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue also said the South African government, which is hosting Aristide, was violating international law by letting the former president organize Haiti's ongoing violence while in exile. Aristide has denied any links to violence in Haiti. Aristide "is the symbol of violence. He believes in that," Latortue told reporters, adding that South African President Thabo Mbeki is "taking a big risk" in his actions involving Aristide. "No respectable president would allow a person in his territory to organize violence in another country," Latortue said, without giving specifics. "Mr. Mbeki is not respecting international law."
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:30:04 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  apparently he's never heard of Liberia
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#2  And the UN Peacekeepers also blame KERRY!

Kerry at fault
Posted by: BigEd || 10/18/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Beslan terrorists 'were high on drugs'
All the hostage-takers who seized Beslan's School No 1 on September 1 were drug addicts and under the influence of narcotics throughout the 52-hour siege, Russia's deputy Prosecutor General said on Sunday. In a statement to the Interfax news agency, Nikolay Shepel said that forensic tests on the extremists' corpses had shown that 22 of the 32 hostage-takers had been on hard drugs and had regularly injected substances such as heroin and morphine, while the other 10 had been using softer drugs.

His statement will satisfy many of the bereaved, who have long since claimed that the extremists were "narkomany", or junkies. Traces of narcotics left in the militants' lifeless bodies exceeded normally lethal levels, Shepel added, indicating that they had been long-term addicts and had been high while preparing the terrorist act which ultimately claimed the lives of 344 people, more than half of whom were children. Their extreme brutality could also have been spurred on by the fact that some of them had run out of drugs. Shepel said: "Some of the criminals had run out of drugs and were suffering from withdrawal symptoms which are usually accompanied by aggressiveness and uncontrollable behaviour. These conclusions allow us to look at the situation from a new angle."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 1:29:00 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't buy into that. About the most hardcore druggies can plan and do is hit the local stop and rob for fifty bucks, two cartons of cigs and a six pack.
Posted by: Old Fogey || 10/18/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the only 'drug' involved was Islam....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 9:48 Comments || Top||

#3  I sort of felt the same way. This is not something I would trust the Ruskies about as it is probably internal propaganda. But I did go to the dictionary:

as·sas·sin    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (-ssn) n.

One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person.

Assassin A member of a secret order of Muslims who terrorized and killed Christian Crusaders and others.

[French, from Medieval Latin assassnus, from Arabic an, pl. of a, hashish user, from a, hashish. See hashish.]
Word History: At first glance, one would be hard-pressed to find a link between pleasure and the acts of assassins. Such was not the case, however, with those who gave us the word assassin. They were members of a secret Islamic order originating in the 11th century who believed it was a religious duty to harass and murder their enemies. The most important members of the order were those who actually did the killing. Having been promised paradise in return for dying in action, the killers, it is said, were made to yearn for paradise by being given a life of pleasure that included the use of hashish. From this came the name for the secret order as a whole, an, “hashish users.” After passing through French or Italian, the word came into English and is recorded in 1603 with reference to the Muslim Assassins.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't care where the word came from - I'd just bet that if 60 of the parents or teachers at that school had been armed themselves that day, the number of killed would have been below 100, and 90% of those would have been the perps.

I think that if every American that had a clean record was armed to the teeth every day, there would be no Belsan-type attacks in the United States - EVER. The government wants to take away guns from their citizens for one reason only - self-preservation of a more and more unrepresentative government hostile to personal freedom, at every level.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/18/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Negotiator: Fallujah Talks Still Suspended
The chief negotiator for the city of Fallujah dashed hopes for a quick resumption of peace talks despite his release by U.S. and Iraqi authorities. Fallujah negotiator Sheik Khaled al-Jumeili said peace talks to end the standoff in Iraq's major insurgent bastion will remain suspended as a protest against his detention by U.S. troops, who accused him of representing the militants. "The fact is that I'm negotiating on behalf of Fallujah people — civilians, kids, women — who have no power but through being represented by somebody. Since the situation has got up to this, each can go wherever they want and we don't need to talk about negotiations," he told Al-Arabiya TV.

Al-Jumeili told the AP he was released Monday from U.S. and Iraqi custody after being detained Friday after talks broke down over the city's rejection of a demand by Prime Minister Ayad Allawi to turn over terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Al-Zarqawi's group Tawhid and Jihad has claimed responsibility in numerous beheadings and suicide bombings, including two attacks on Baghdad's Green Zone last week that killed six, including four U.S. civilians. Witnesses said al-Jumeili was picked up after leaving a mosque following prayers in a village about 10 miles south of Fallujah. Al-Jumeili said he was taken to a Marine base outside Fallujah and then by helicopter to another location. During his detention, al-Jumeili said he was treated well by the Americans and was not handcuffed or blindfolded like his companions. The other three men have not been released, he said.
That would be the holy man's assistants, Muggsy, Butch and Spike?
The Interior Ministry said al-Jumeili was being released on orders of Allawi. Iraqi officials hope that Fallujah leaders can be persuaded to negotiate a weapons buyback deal similar to one struck with Shiite radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to end clashes in Sadr City. U.S. forces have been waging days of air and ground assaults in Fallujah, targeting key sites purportedly used by al-Zarqawi associates. The latest U.S. assault began Thursday after Fallujah clerics rejected the "impossible" demand to turn over the terrorist leader, insisting that al-Zarqawi was not in the city. Fallujah fell under control of radical clerics and their armed mujahedeen fighters after U.S. Marines lifted their three-week siege of the city in April.
So how about turning over some of those radical clerics and their armed mujahedeen fighters, just to warm up? Presumably, they're in the city? Or do they commute to work?
The U.S. military has been anticipating a rise in insurgent activity with the start of the holy month of Ramadan.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 12:55:38 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can't talk...killing people.
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#2  hmmmm - hope he didn't care for those boyz - they might not be back in their original factory-new condition.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 13:49 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
United Nations no hero
When you read the words "United Nations," what comes into your mind? Perhaps it's an august phrase, such as "international community," or a lofty image, such as the blue U.N. seal. In the first presidential debate, President Bush spoke of "going to the United Nations" as if it were a tiresome relative. ("I didn't need anybody to tell me to go to the United Nations. I decided to go there myself.") Sen. John Kerry often talks about the United Nations as if it were a forgotten American ally.

Yet the United Nations is not a person, or an ally, or a concept. Unlike, say, Britain or Sri Lanka, it isn't even a country with a government to which people are elected. Nor is it a company whose employees are accountable to shareholders. Instead, it is a collection of political appointees whose activities are, by ordinary government or business standards, subjected to shockingly little oversight.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 12:55:12 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  She's correct, but vastly understates the case.

The UN wasn't even designed to be the sort of supra-national state that is implied by most of the poorly reasoned gibberish coming from the likes of Kerry. Its principle is collective security -- security provided by collaboration of member states, using the UN as a coordinating mechanism and means of marshalling political support. She incorrectly places Bush's and Kerry's references to the UN on the same plane, implying they're both incorrect. Uh uh.

There's also a line that only reads humorously now, about "historical allies" -- unless it refers to the UK, Australia, etc., of course.

Overall, though, while she mentions that it's "odd" that the stupendous scandal represented by UNSCAM has received so little attention, it's clearly much more than that. Outrageous, unbelievable, scandalous in itself. But I suppose Ms. Applebaum can't be expected to state the obvious about out-of-control media distortion.
Posted by: Verlaine || 10/18/2004 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  No hero, no question about that. Now a proven crook. A superstition like it was with the Golden Calf worship circa 2500 years ago.
Posted by: wits0 || 10/18/2004 9:25 Comments || Top||

#3  This negligence does not, I should add, mean that the United Nations should be kicked out of New York or that the United States should stop paying U.N. dues.

Can anyone supply even a shred of evidence that this asumption is true? Supply links. Neatness counts.
Posted by: Mikey Silvester || 10/18/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#4  9.9. The blog goes wild!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I'll be back at 12 to see the links, the evidence, the corpus delicatable, the photostat, the real deal, the mccoy
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 11:04 Comments || Top||

#6  Ship, I won't be back for this one bro', as soon as the real Mike S and other players get involved this will be a 50+ post thread in 3 hrs.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/18/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#7  naahhhh I'm tired of Mikey, Aris, et al
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Frank G, Me too. So, stop feeding them. You too, .com.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Gee, the UN isn't a lofty community of idealistic nations working for peace in a spirit of groovy love vibration after all! Whoda thunk it?
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Police raze war veterans' farms in Bob-land
They were feted by Robert Mugabe as patriots and pioneers in a radical redistribution of land to redress colonial injustice. But the war veterans who ousted white farmers have now themselves been invaded. Last month, police units fanned across Trelawney, a rural district outside the capital, Harare, and erased settlements with matches and mallets. The devastation starts just north of Harare and stretches for mile after mile with hundreds of homes wrecked, fields scorched and families gone, leaving the landscape silent and empty. "Now we are in the position the white farmer was. The authorities used us," Richard Mapuringa, 33, said last week, sifting through the ruins of his house.
Now there's a field calibration test for the Acme surprise meter.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Steve White || 10/18/2004 12:54:07 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  al guardian should be cheering this. This is the socialist paradise they have been promising each and evry person in the EU.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 3:42 Comments || Top||

#2  The inevitable contest of animals more equal than others. It is so repetitive and inevitable that it lost it intrisic ironic value.

Amazing that there are still people willing to believe in utopias.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/18/2004 4:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Boofrigginhoo,cry me a river.
Posted by: raptor || 10/18/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||

#4  "They used me! They told me I was a veteran of a war that occurred before I was born," Richard Mapuringa, 33, said last week, sifting through the ruins of his house.
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 9:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Is there a dual purpose Surprise/Sympathy Meter?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 9:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes there is, tu3031. It is a dual scale meter. The surprise meter is on the left and swings at the 9 00 position on the right side. the sympathy meter is at the 300 position and swings to the left. When both meters start acting erratically, then the unit becomes a WTF meter.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#7  And if the whole unit begins to spew thick black smoke, it becomes a Holy S! meter.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#8  I thought if you let out the magic smoke, the unit stopped working.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#9  Also, more seriously... weren't most of these so-called veterans actually too young to have fought in the revolution against colonial injustice, way back when?

Also, consider the following information, posted by Kim Du Toit at http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php?id=P3115:

ZIMBABWE has placed a $US200 million ($290 million) order to buy a fleet of Chinese-made fighter jets and military vehicles, even as the African country's depleted food stocks and remaining hard currency run out.
...
As relations with the rest of the world have grown colder, Zimbabwe has become increasingly dependent on China, one of the first countries to establish diplomatic relations with Mr Mugabe's government when it came to power upon independence in 1980.

Since then the Chinese Government has helped build Harare's national sports stadium, hospitals, dams and school dormitories. It has also dug wells and established clothing factories.

Last month, a high-level trade delegation, which included the central committee of the Chinese Communist Party, visited Harare to discuss trade.
Chinese construction companies are also involved in building Mr Mugabe's Saddam Hussein-style mansion in Harare.
...
Last year a Chinese state-owned company, the China International Water and Electric Corporation, was awarded a government contract to farm 100,000 hectares in southern Zimbabwe from which white farmers had been driven off.

I can't help but think that in the bad old days, this sort of arrangement would have been called "colonialism."
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Phil F. --

I was thinking more along the lines of "wholly owned subsidiary" to be followed, when the local population succumbs to starvation, AIDS, or death by internecine violence, with "Lebensraum." Red China will soon need to do something drastic about their excess male population, before it brings down the entire society, and the outer provinces of Russia likely won't be enough.

Or am I being paranoid?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 20:01 Comments || Top||

#11  Prease, prease. You ah beung mach tooo puhranoyad. We Chinlee ahh oh so peezvull. Onree rissh to herp.

(Ignore zhe knyfe in yur bahk. Onree yur eemahgenation)

The only reason the Commie Chinese reach their hands around your shoulders is to place the knife squarely in the middle of your back. Past masters of 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'.
Posted by: Jame Retief || 10/18/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
N. Korea's No. 2 Encourages Nuke Dialogue
North Korea's No. 2 leader said Monday that his country still wants to settle the dispute over its nuclear program through dialogue, as China tried to cajole the North back into stalled six-nation talks, calling for flexibility by all sides. Kim Yong Nam began a visit to Beijing on Monday amid of flurry of efforts to restart the talks on Washington's demand for the North to give up its nuclear ambitions. Participants missed a September deadline for holding a new round after the North refused to take part. "The situation of the Korean Peninsula is still complicated, but the North Korean side would like to find a peaceful solution of the nuclear issue through dialogue," state television quoted Kim as telling his Chinese counterpart, Wu Bangguo. The report didn't say, however, whether Kim was referring to the six-nation talks, which also include host China, South Korea, Japan and Russia.
Polls are looking better for Bush and worse for Kimmy, huh?
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 12:53:53 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  NorK has a No. 2 leader? Who knew!
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Number two leader probably watched a pirated copy of Team America and doesn't want to end badly as dear leader did.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/18/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Guess they've got pollsters too.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:31 Comments || Top||

#4  NORK Deuce, now you just know that's a stressful job.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran May Suspend Some Nuclear Activities
Iran said Monday it is prepared to temporarily suspend some nuclear activities but would not surrender its right to enrich uranium. The remarks by the country's top nuclear negotiator, Hasan Rowhani, came just as the three major European powers were expected to offer Iran a package of economic incentives in hopes of persuading Tehran to abandon uranium enrichment, a process that can be used to produce fuel for nuclear weapons and reactors.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 12:52:53 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  yeah right..anyone want to buy some beach front property? Send $2,000 to Iamstupid@aol.com

Thanks!
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Nuclear hudna!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#3  What the hell!!! A package of economic incentives to a country that is swimming in petro-dollars (euros, yen, yuan, etc. Is this the best that the EUniks can come up with? With allies dhimmis like them, who needs enimas enemies?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#4  I am disgusted that my country is playing along in this little game.

TW, I think you've just invented a new catch-phrase...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/18/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#5  I think the Nukie@home BOINC went down.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 20:00 Comments || Top||

#6  "...is prepared to temporarily suspend some nuclear activities..."
Say from about November 3rd until the rubble stops bouncing.
Posted by: Old Grouch || 10/18/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Asian slaves maids in Gulf face maltreatment
Some two million Asian maids working in Gulf Arab states without proper legal cover face various forms of maltreatment, including sexual abuse and non-payment of salary, according to an official study. The study, reviewed by Gulf social affairs and labour ministers who met in Kuwait last week, also outlined the negative effects of the huge number of foreign domestic helpers on Gulf societies. It was prepared by a joint Gulf body on the basis of official data supplied by member states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), which groups Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The ministers approved a proposal to hold a forum to discuss specific measures to deal with problems facing domestic helpers, in addition to drafting legislation that would serve as a yardstick for member states.

The study stated that domestic helpers are not governed by the labour laws in any of the six states. Only Kuwait has a special law for them but it has so far failed to curb abuses. Bahrain extends the labour law to partially cover maids, while there is no solid form of legal protection, outside existing general legislation, in any of the remaining GCC members. The study placed physical abuse and beating, in addition to sexual harassment and rape, at the top of a list of abuses to which domestic helpers are subjected. Other problems include non-payment or delay in payment of salary and forcing them to do hard work and work long hours and at the weekend.
In other words, they are slaves, and often sex slaves. Their passports are taken and they are stuck in slavery, under the mercy of their Islamic masters.

By the end of 2003, there were 812,000 domestic helpers in Saudi Arabia, 400,000 in Kuwait, 30,000 in Bahrain and 66,000 in Oman. The UAE had 450,000 domestics at the end of 2002, the last available figure, while Qatar did not reveal the number of maids it has. But the numbers are expected to have grown even higher in the past 10 months. In Kuwait, for example, the number now is 450,00, including maids, private drivers, gardeners and the like. In the UAE and Kuwait, there is one domestic helper for every two citizens, while in Saudi Arabia, Oman and Bahrain there is one domestic helper for each family on average. The oil-rich GCC states have a population of about 33 million people, including some 11 million guest workers and their families. Foreign workers' remittances exceed 25 billion dollars a year. The overwhelming majority of the domestics come from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Indonesia, the Philippines and Pakistan, the study said. Most of them come from the countryside and more than half are illiterate or semi-literate. The average age of the domestic helpers is 30, and two-thirds of the maids are either married or divorced, the report said. Christians make up the largest number, followed by Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus. Under one percent are Arabs, and the rest Asian.

A number of GCC states proposed that priority in recruitment be given to Arabs and then to Muslims to overcome language difficulties and religious barriers, particularly those faced by children interacting with the domestic helpers. The study said the dependence of Gulf families on maids had increased because more women were going out to work, but also due to the lack of sufficient nurseries and kindergartens, the low wages of maids and simple recruitment procedures. Some GCC states called for adopting strict measures and imposing high fees - such as taxes on employers of maids, as imposed in the UAE - to make it more difficult to recruit domestic helpers. Thousands of slaves maids flee their masters employers' homes every year mainly because of maltreatment. Many are repatriated to their home countries.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 10/18/2004 12:52:37 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
US report of Iraq payoffs miffs France
EFL
The US' handling this week of a report on Saddam Hussein's attempts to purchase weapons and buy influence has angered French officials and set back a year of US efforts to repair the rupture caused by the Iraq war, French and other European officials said on Friday. The anger of France and others is focused on the assertions in the report by Charles Duelfer, the top US arms inspector in Iraq, that French companies and individuals, some with close ties to the government, enriched themselves through Iraq's huge payments to gain influence around the world in the years before the war.
Let me see if I get this straight. Efforts to improve US-French relations -- damaged by French perfidy, corruption, and gross irresponsibility with regard to Iraq -- are imperiled by US handling of information showing French perfidy, corruption, and gross irresponsibility with regard to Iraq. I must be missing a nuance, or else this makes no effing sense.
Must have been French efforts to improve relations by getting Kerry elected.
Administration spokesmen said that there was no intent in releasing the report to endorse its findings or blame France or any other country for corruption, or to link any alleged corruption to that country's subsequent opposition to the war in Iraq.
True, France's status as Saddam's mafia lawyer at the UNSC, tirelessly pushing to end sanctions regardless of Iraqi behavior, began before the ink was dry on UNSCR 687. The corruption part was just icing on the cake.
French officials say that the report's charges, based on documents and interviews in Iraq, have been denied in the past, but that Duelfer's report did not contain the denials. They also complain that France was not given more than one day's notice before the report was issued.
Cry me a river, Jacques. We promise, next time we expose French complicity in genocide and terror we'll give you 48 hours' notice -- no, really)
They were incensed that the report also mentioned Americans in connection with similar charges, but that unlike the French they were not identified because of US privacy regulations.
One more reason to be American, and not French.
"You protect American citizens, but you put in danger a number of private citizens in other countries who may be innocent people," said Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to the US. "These names are from an old list, published months ago, and those mentioned denied it flatly."

A European diplomat said the damage to French-American relations was so great that it could disrupt a new spirit of cooperation with France on other fronts, namely the joint US and European efforts to put pressure on Iran to dismantle its suspected nuclear weapons program and to organize an international conference next month on Iraq.
So the damage caused by shameful and even criminal French misbehavior, now exacerbated by recognition of shameful and even criminal French misbehavior, threatens to disrupt the naive and pathetic European efforts to bribe Iran out of their nuke ambitions, and derail a pointless conference to which France has announced it would invite our Sunni enemies in Iraq? Whatever will we do?
Encourage the Israelis to take care of it for us?
"This report does great damage," Levitte said. "There really is a sense of outrage in Paris. We don't want to create a situation that will put us back to one year ago. But these are dirty tricks at the expense of France, with the White House putting the finger on the name of France."
Outrage! France's good name tarnished! Let's all take a break now so we can stop laughing.
Feel free to draw another anti-American cartoon in Le Monde.
Administration spokesmen said Friday that the US did not endorse the allegations that anyone was enriched by Iraq's practices, only that Iraq was trying to buy influence and weaken sanctions.
Let me see if I follow this -- massive bribes were paid, but nobody got richer from them?
"It doesn't say that those transactions were completed," said Richard Boucher, a State Department spokesman. "It doesn't say whether or not governments intervened. It doesn't say whether or not the individuals declined. It doesn't really say what happened."
Was that a Clinton defense lawyer or a State spokesman? Along with the seething and whining of the French, the presumed anguish of the nuance specialists in the Europe Bureau is the happiest thing I've contemplated in a while.
But that was not the tone adopted by Cheney and other officials caught up in President Bush's shrill re-election campaign.
Whuh?? Catch that -- Bush's "shrill" election campaign? Strength, resolution, optimism, ambitious goals in keeping with our values -- shrill! Medi-scare, draft-scare, promising miracles to heal the sick, trolling for homophobia, embracing the lunatic and anti-semitic anti-American left -- uh ... nuanced!
In Florida on Thursday, Cheney said Saddam used oil funds to corrupt "some employees of the United Nations as well as other governments in the hopes that they would work with him to undermine the sanctions."
Posted by: Verlaine || 10/18/2004 12:49:14 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No place remaining to hide in the Frog pond. :)
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Shrill? Must have been listening to the JFK/SorrosEdwards folk. The French must be confused.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 1:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Does not France and by extension their Eurostan enablers realize that supplying an armed enemy of the United States is in itself an act of war?
Posted by: badanov || 10/18/2004 1:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Watched the Fox report.Mobil,Cheveron,2 other co.and 1 individual were named."shrill"there's that awful French whine agin.
Posted by: raptor || 10/18/2004 8:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Jean-David Levitte can kiss my rear end and put his "new spirit of cooperation" where the sun don't shine. The French are playing a double game right now due to the U.S. election. We'll see how they whine in 16 days. Four more years, frog.
Posted by: Tom || 10/18/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#6  US efforts to repair the rupture
How about some French efforts to repair the rupture? The Frogs have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Hack 'em off.
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 8:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Leave the rupture in place, for shrill's sake! France is not an ally, despite what the NYT and NPR keep saying. Do we think of it as regrettable "rupture" when a criminal is accused, then indicted?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#8  I saw Mssr. Levitte on C-Span this weekend, talking about French US relations. At one point, an audience member asked what lessons had been learned from the strains in French/US relations since the US went ahead with Operation Iraqi Freedom without French cooperation. He said we must learn to listen to each other. What does that mean? It means that they still think talk solves everything, and that the US should follow France's lead (corrupt oil deals, coddling/negotiating with terrorists, blaming Israel for the ills of the world, etc.) in how to deliver world peace. It was crystal clear from his answer that he thought the French needed to learn no lesson-that the steady disintegration of the French/US alliance is the US's fault.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/18/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#9  the steady disintegration of the French/US alliance is the US's fault.

Perhaps that's true - our expectation sof them were too high. We thought they'd act as an ally, mutually interested in combatting terrorism and putting a democratically elected gov't in place of Saddam. They, on the other hand, expected us to allow their backstabbing perfidy and abuse to continue without calling them on it. Our bad....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#10  It means that they still think talk solves everything,

When a yammer is the only tool in the box, all problems look like a summit.
Posted by: ed || 10/18/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||

#11  If so-if we shouldn't have expected better from them than betrayal, abandonment, theft-then it follows logically that the US government shouldn't waste any more time trying to "repair" the alliance.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/18/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#12  This whole brouhaha reminds me of Reagan's "Empire of Evil" remark: the sheer volume of the denials and criticisms just indicates that Duelfer hit the bullseye.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#13   It means that they still think talk solves everything
It means talk is the only thing they can do.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#14  We have no trust for the French govt, and we really do not have any mutual self interest, so we have no reason to work with the French. They aid and abet our enemies, so they should be considered a hostile nation. We do not have to train the guns on them, just ignore them.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#15  the French ambassador to the US. "These names are from an old list, published months ago, and those mentioned denied it flatly."

Did you know that our prisons are filled with innocent people too? No really....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#16  The Oil for Fraud stuff, as disgusting as it is, pales in comparison with France's overt sanctions-busting and influence-trading via sweetheart deals signed at the 11th hour with Saddam. In the W Qurna oilfields deal (Nov 02), France got exclusive rights with extremely generous guaranteed profit margins to develop one-third of all of Iraq's reserves, or 20 billion barrels! Ditto (on a lesser scale) for Russia's LUKoil's deals.

Talk about a coalition of the bribed, or blood (of Saddam's victims) for oil contracts.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#17  French acceptance of Iraq payoffs angers U.S.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#18  --"These names are from an old list,--

There's a newer list and they have a copy?
Posted by: anonymous2u || 10/18/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#19  Jacques the Ripper-Off knows that the minute he's out of office he's headed au prison.
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 10/18/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#20  "These names are from an old list, published months ago, and those mentioned denied it flatly."

if the list was already published, then there are no privacy concerns.
Posted by: Jeff || 10/18/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#21  Jacques the Ripper-Off knows that the minute he's out of office he's headed au prison.

I wouldn't count on it. If I understand correctly (JFM, TGA, please correct me if I'm wrong!), French (and continental European) political culture is far more tolerant of corruption than we in the States would be--what Chirac did is not viewed with anything approaching the disapproval it would meet with here un the U.S.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 13:57 Comments || Top||

#22  Agree with Mike. For the better part of almost three decades, both major parties in France have been running slush funds with contributions and kickbacks from execs at France's major oil company, formerly Elf Aquitaine, now TotalFinaElf. The same entity that received the sweetheart deal for 20 billion barrels of reserves from Saddam.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#23  Mike-Precisely right. SO, next time they complain about poverty, and the gap between rich and poor, and human misery, and downtrodden peoples, and demand we help other countries with handouts, subsidies, debt forgiveness, etc., we should point out they gave corrupt politicians and criminals those monies. If Europe can't seem to stomach the argument that tolerating corruption in business and government is the sign of ethicless individuals and an ethicless culture, maybe they can appreciate the argument from the thanks but no thanks, we-will-find-ethical-partners-to-do-business-with-outside-of-your-country-instead approach.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/18/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#24  When will the Chirac French realize that we no longer give a fuck what they think? Go wave your white flag for weak but murderous despots...but don't expect anything but disdain from us for your ocd need to do so.
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#25  And there is still the same deafening silence in the French media. Not a denial, silence. Meaning that the average French has never heard of the matter.
Posted by: JFM || 10/18/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#26  LOL Ed!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#27  In 2003, Condoleezza Rice was quoted in a German magazine: "Punish France, ignore Germany and forgive Russia."

Still applies today!
Posted by: Jeff || 10/18/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#28  And give Spain a fiver for the movies.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#29  Shipman lol!
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#30  #12 Ptah wrote: This whole brouhaha reminds me of Reagan's "Empire of Evil" remark: the sheer volume of the denials and criticisms just indicates that Duelfer hit the bullseye.

Said another way: the dog that barks the loudest is the one that's been hit.
Posted by: eLarson || 10/18/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Kerry's case for allies hurt by U.N. oil scandal
John Kerry has been so busy on the campaign trail spouting "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" and trying to woo voters with how he's going to "build alliances" to make Iraq all better that he probably hasn't had time to review the tape of fascinating and frustrating testimony that took place in Washington three days before the second presidential debate.
The Bush team has a lot of ammo to throw at John Forbes Kerry.
The House Committee on Government Reform's subcommittee investigating the U.N. oil-for-food program heard disturbing accounts of how our "allies" — some of the same countries that cited moral grounds for refusing to back President Bush's pre-emptive move into Iraq — did a first-class job of sabotaging a sanctions program that might have kept Saddam Hussein in check, eliminating the need to shut him down militarily.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 12:48:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "In terms of being a sanctions regime that stopped Saddam Hussein’s attempts from busting it and cheating, and using funds to get prohibited materials, it was not a total success," testified Ambassador Patrick Kennedy, the U.S. representative to U.N. Management and Reform.

A Harvard man, obviously. Master of Understatement, most likely. "The Tunguska meteorite caused a fairly large bang"...
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 0:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Wasn't Kerry's case for allies hurt by the mere fact that the U.N. Security Council passed resolution after resolution for over a decade with no results and no enforcement. The U.N. Security Council is a joke, as is the concept of "building alliances." Alliances form or don't form based on mutual interest. The only way you "sweet talk" people into alliances they would not otherwise make is basically to bribe them with goodies. France can forget that.
Posted by: Tom || 10/18/2004 8:41 Comments || Top||

#3  This issue eviscerates Kerry's claim that he would have brought more allies (read France and Germany) on board and achieved UN support for going to war against Iraq. The problem is that Bush cannot go around trumpeting the fact that France, China, and Russia were acting to uphold their part of a bribe-deal with Hussein--he has to deal with those nations and can't slam them publicly. Hopefully some 527 will publicize this issue to the electorate since the MSM isn't doing it (although I saw a special on Fox last night that was devastating).
Posted by: sludj || 10/18/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#4  This issue eviscerates Kerry's claim that he would have brought more allies (read France and Germany)

This eviscerates the notion that France is an "ally." They were quite clearly on the side of Saddam and were doing all in their power to trash the sanctions regime and with it, containment.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
I Have a Plan
This is just too funny. Scrappleface of course. This is the best I've seen yet. What a Hoot.
Part snip..
"To sum up, Mr. Kerry is decidedly different than President Bush.

He knows all of the things this administration has done wrong.

Mr. Kerry will not do those things.

He will do other things--things that are right.

That's the plan.

That's why you should vote to elect John Forbes Kerry the 44th president of the United States."

-- "I'm John Forbes Kerry, and I approve of this message."
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 12:47:59 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Like John F. Kennedy, Mr. Kerry won't be a Roman Catholic president, he'll be a president who says that he's a Roman Catholic."
LOL
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#2  "One wrestles with how best to describe Mr. Kerry; a seasoned, steady, accomplished man who cuts a dashing figure as he snowboards and bikes across the American political landscape. He's a career Vietnam veteran, distinguished war protestor, protector and resuscitator of family rodents..."

career Vietnam protestor...yepper that's Hanoi John..
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 14:08 Comments || Top||

#3  At least kerry ahs learned not to say "I have a secret plan...."
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#4  It's funny, the last thing I ever feared from Kerry was that he might impose the religious scruples of the Bishop of Rome.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||


Quick note on posting duplicates
For those who post frequently, please check to see if the article you're posting has already been done earlier in the day or yesterday. We're getting quite a few duplicate posts. That just slows everything down. I'm deleting them as I find them but it takes time.

Mark Espinola: this means you too.

And remember, we don't need the date, author's name, and all the fluff. Short 'n' sweet, please.

Thanks to all: I thought the commentary over the weekend was particularly good.
What Steve said, plus I'd like to request that you choose a headline that is short and accurately reflects the main point of your post. Thanks, Emily.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/18/2004 12:44:45 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is a chance for me to bring up the number one item on my RB wish list. Namely, can we identify the source of an article. It's a pain to have to click on the link to find out. Just put it in the first line and most of us are familiar with contracted identifiers, NYT, JPost, SMH, etc. Unless Fred wants to add it as a feature :-)
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 1:40 Comments || Top||

#2  phil:

there's an easier way to see where the article is from. If you're using Internet Explorer, make sure your STATUS BAR is visible on the bottom of your window. (click view, status bar). Then, all you do is move your mouse over the link to see where it will link to.

I don't know about Netscape or other browsers.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 10/18/2004 6:43 Comments || Top||

#3  PD - that works for Mozilla, too. Mozillla's Firefox a fantastic, user friendly browser, btw, for anyone who hasn't tried it before.

Back to the topic: Duplicate posting shows, if anything, that you don't bother reading what else is on Rantburg. If you ain't reading, why are you here?!

Off to Peshawar again: Does anyone have suggestions as to how non-Americans can celebrate Bush's re-election on November 3rd, in an American-style fashion? (Or drown the sorrows, if it comes to that?) Burgers 'n' Buds' a bit unoriginal.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 7:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Crystal Meth 'n' firearms ?
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 7:51 Comments || Top||

#5  I have seen and contributed to this problem. It seems to be worst at the end of the day, when there are a lot oop postings in the title section at the top of the page. A suggestion that might help is to sort the headlines into File Under order with File Under headings. That way there would be a smaller population to check under.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 8:00 Comments || Top||

#6  LOL Howard!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 8:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Bulldog -- some options:

tacos and margharitas

chili con carne and riojo/chianti

brownies, of course, for dessert.

Drop me a note if you're interested, and I'll send you recipes.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 8:18 Comments || Top||

#8  "Does anyone have suggestions as to how non-Americans can celebrate Bush's re-election on November 3rd, in an American-style fashion?"

Just breathe a deep sigh of relief. That's what I'll be doing.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/18/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Just breathe a deep sigh of relief. That's what I'll be doing.

I'll have a bottle of wine within reach. Bush win or lose, it is gone by 3 Nov. 2004. But, like you, I will breathe a sigh of relief as well.
Posted by: badanov || 10/18/2004 8:42 Comments || Top||

#10  "Does anyone have suggestions as to how non-Americans can celebrate Bush's re-election on November 3rd, in an American-style fashion?"

Think Globally, Act Locally. November 3? Collect pennies for the guy and make two. One with a Kerry mask and one with a Chiraq mask. Burn on the fifth while waving Stars and Stripes along with Union Jack or English Flag.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:17 Comments || Top||

#11  Good thinking - I'll substitute the Pope for a Kerry/Chirac combo this year.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 9:20 Comments || Top||

#12  I have a suggestion, Fred. Somewhere in the title or opening lines of the article, refer to which country you're discussing, especially in the Middle East. I sometimes have to read the entire article before I can determine which country's being discussed. There are too many names that are the same, or sound and/or spelled alike. It's especially bad when I've had a really ROTTEN day, my head is killing me, and I want to know exactly who to impose a most vicious Voodoo curse upon. Wouldn't want to hit any innocent victims - if they exist.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/18/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#13  tw - thanks for the tip! Especially the riojo/chianti brownies...

Mrs Davis - will consider the effigy plan. Might make for good sport on November 5th.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#14  Newer browsers can also use the TITLE attribute to give more info when you mouse over a link. Lessee if that works here: Rantburg... seems to work with Mozilla, have to enclose the text in single quotes.
(Actually posting by Old Grouch, but "Chinese Unomoger1553" works for me!)
Posted by: Chinese Unomoger1553 || 10/18/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#15  Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Best beer this side of Belgium.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#16 

...which means (see #14) that you can do things like this, which helps if the original link goes bad:

African Leaders Discuss Sudanese Conflict.

[If your browser doesn't show it (hover mouse pointer over the link), title text is "Associated Press story by KHALED AL-DEEB, October 17, 2004" Neat, huh?]

Posted by: Old Grouch || 10/18/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#17  A hat-tip and a gentle clash of the symbols followed by due applause..
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#18  /Grammar Nanny mode on

Which symbols, Howard UK?

Or did you mean cymbals?

/Grammar Nanny mode off

;-p *Ducks and runs for cover*
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/18/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#19  how much to be editor for a day? my meglomanier is acting up
Posted by: half || 10/18/2004 17:01 Comments || Top||

#20  Bulldog, you are a silly, silly man. Which of course is part of your charm!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 17:22 Comments || Top||

#21  I always wanted a sex cymbal but then I couldn't figure out how to play it...

She said I was a crashing bore too...

Thank you, don't forget to tip your waitress...
Arrrggh! The fiendish chinese pseudonyms again!
Posted by: Chinese Spomoger1553 || 10/18/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Blast near Australian embassy
SEVEN people were killed in a car bombing at a cafe near the Australian embassy in Baghdad today. At least 20 other people were wounded, a US officer at the scene of the blast said. It was not clear how many of the casualties were Iraqi police. Australian military spokesman Brigadier Peter Hutchinson said the bomb went off a few hundred metres from the Australian embassy and no troops in the security detachment were hurt. The blast shook the cafe frequented by the Iraqi police throwing metal, glass and body parts across the area. The car bomb was possibly a suicide attack, the US officer said. "Based on preliminary reports from locals on the scene, a vehicle arrived and detonated itself, so I'm assuming it was (a suicide attack)," he said. The US military was also concerned that there might be a second bomb, possibly hidden in a nearby rubbish dump.
SOP for the jihadis.
Police officers appeared to be having a late evening meal at a local cafe during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan when the explosion went off.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/18/2004 12:34:54 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Terror Networks & Islam
Zarqawi Movement Vows al-Qaida Allegiance
Follow-up from yesterday with more details.
The most feared militant group in Iraq, the movement of terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, declared its allegiance to Osama bin Laden on Sunday, saying it had agreed with al-Qaida over strategy and the need for unity against "the enemies of Islam." The declaration, which appeared on a Web site often used as a clearinghouse for statements by militant groups, began with a Quranic verse encouraging Muslim unity and said al-Zarqawi considered bin Laden "the best leader for Islam's armies against all infidels and apostates." The statement, whose authenticity could not be independently confirmed, said the two had been in communication eight months ago and "viewpoints were exchanged" before the dialogue was interrupted. "God soon blessed us with a resumption in communication, and the dignified brothers in al-Qaida understood the strategy of Tawhid and Jihad," the statement said.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 12:32:06 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why do they need to make a public statement to affirm something everybody already assumed? are they claiming OBL is alive and communicating? are they sending a signal to someone else?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  I suspect he is doing this because his life is in danger and terrornetwork is in danger of being exterminated. In fact some of his minions may be losing heart as well as arms, limbs and other body parts. I think Bush wants to clean up Fallujah so there aren't any more hostage takers and fewer dead GIS.
Posted by: kyrieleandra || 10/18/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Perhaps he got wind that the Learnered Elders Of al-Qaida were beginning to consider him as a contender for the jeweled turban rather than a underling. Had to prostrate himself before the master to keep his hide intact and the funding coming.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#4  US hammers Fallujah and then pulls back. Bad guys move into Fallujah in force, proclaiming victory. More pour in, more pour in. Fundamentalists take over the town and show by example to the Fallujah tribes the kind of wacked medievil world they are fighting for.

US returns with Iraqi help and suddenly has good targetting infomation. Iraqi tribes make statements to differentiate themselves from terrorists. Iraqi tribes delay peace settlements while US continues bombing (not the tribal positions but terrorist positions).

As the great leader Hannibal once said. "I love it when a plan comes together."
Posted by: RJ Schwarz || 10/18/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Sounds like a plea for reenforcements. Must be getting pounded pretty badly to call daddy to send lawyers cannonfodder, guns and money.
Posted by: ed || 10/18/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#6  The best way I can parse al-Zarqawi considered bin Laden "the best leader for Islam’s armies against all infidels and apostates." The statement, whose authenticity could not be independently confirmed, said the two had been in communication eight months ago is that

1. The "best leader" for Islamofascists is a corpse feeding worms in an Afghan cave

2. Zarqawi had a near-death experience 8 months ago.

3. Apostates are worrying the Islamofascists as much as infidels do.

All in all, sounds like pretty good news.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#7  The Afghan elections didn't help much, either.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Dispatch this little pissant, already.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Computer problems vex early Florida voting, Bush blamed
Problems were being reported at nine of 14 early voting sites in Broward County on Monday morning. Gisela Salas, of the Broward Elections Office, said workers were having problems with a live database connection that is used to verify that a voter is properly registered. The sites, Salas said, that were unaffected were at satellite offices in Deerfield Beach, Hollywood, Lauderhill, Pembroke Pines and Plantation. All the branch offices were reported having problems with the database connection. Many of the sites had voters lined up to cast their ballots. Voters at several sites said poll workers told them the problems started 20 minutes to 30 minutes after the early polling stations opened at 8:30 a.m. The stations close at 6 p.m.

At the Tamarac branch public library, where voting stopped after the computer glitch, Sally Zwanger, a poll watcher for the Kerry campaign, claimed the problems reflected on the inability of Gov. Jeb Bush's administration to fix voting problems left over from the 2000 election. "The worst thing to hear was, 'I support Kerry, but I can't wait in this line,'" she said. "We are having a repeat of 2000, and it's only in Florida that this could happen. This administration would do anything to ensure that he [Bush] stays in office."
Yeah, whatever.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 12:27:32 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And so it begins...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Theresa Lepore is STILL the County elections supervisor in Broward and STILL a Democrat. It's W's fault...just because
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#3  'I support Kerry, but I can't wait in this line,'

Whatsamatta? Gonna miss yer Early Bird Special? I don't give a crap who you support, lady. Wait in the m-----f------ line like everyone else.
Posted by: eLarson || 10/18/2004 13:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Partly cloudy with a chance of isolated thunderstorms in south Florida and IT'S BUSH'S FAULT.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 10/18/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Most of the voters waiting in the line were seniors, and many shared Emert's frustration. They repeatedly uttered phrases such as, "This is ridiculous," and "This is so frustrating."

I'm old! Gimme, gimme, gimme!!!
Posted by: Abe Simpson || 10/18/2004 13:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Abe Simpson....LOL!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||


Heinz Kerry Paid Lower Tax Rate Than Most Taxpayers
Hat-tip - Drudge.
The Kerry campaign finally released Teresa Heinz Kerry's 2003 tax return, or rather two pages of it, late last Friday, the WALL STREET JOURNAL details.

"But even this minimal disclosure deserves more attention in light of John Kerry's pledge to raise tax rates. In 2003, Mrs. Kerry -- or Teresa Heinz, as she declared herself on her IRS 1040 form -- earned $5.07 million, hardly a surprising income for someone estimated to be worth nearly $1 billion.

"The news is that $2.78 million of that income came in the form of tax- exempt interest from what the Kerry campaign's press release attributed to investments in 'state, municipal and public entity bonds.' What the campaign didn't say is that these are the kind of investments that rich people can afford to hire lawyers and accountants to steer their money into."

On her "remaining 'taxable' income of $2.29 million, Mrs. Kerry paid $627,150 in taxes, for an overall average federal tax rate of only 12.4% on her $5.07 million in total income." This "puts Mrs. Kerry's tax rate at well below that of other filers in her super-rich neighborhood. But it also means she is paying a lower average rate than nearly all middle- class taxpayers paid in 2001, the last year for which the IRS has published the data.

The top 50% of all federal filers contributed 96.1% of all federal income taxes in 2001, and they paid an average income-tax rate of 15.9%. That's 3.5-percentage points more than Mrs. Kerry paid in 2003." At the "very least, Mrs. Kerry's tax returns are a screaming illustration of the need for reform to make the tax code simpler and fairer. But they also show that Senator Kerry's proposed tax increases are much more about a revenue grab than they are about tax justice."

Developing...
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 12:24:50 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Didn't 'Teresa Heinz' (as she's legally known) also categorgize herself as a professional "philanthropist"? Surely philanthropists ought to be entitled to a lot more tax breaks. Hell, if Kerry gets in, she ought to try to have the state match her income, dollar for dollar, so she can engage in ever more of her wonderful career in philanthropy...
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Do the math. If she is really worth $500 million or so, just a 5% return on that would be income of $25 million. Note how she only has "income" of $5.07 million. Either she really isn't that rich, or this is a clear example of how the rich live differently from the rest of us working stiffs, who actually wind up paying our full share of federal taxes.

Note: you can probably say the exact same thing about Bush and his family and many others in Congress.

I take a cynical view when either party tries to claim they understand what it is like for the middle class and poorer people.
Posted by: DO || 10/18/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#3  She probably finds ways to funnel the $20 million through her charities: perhaps these pay for the Gulfstream, fund her travels and entertainment etc.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  The Gulfstream's probably funded by her "End Oil Dependence/No Blood for Oil" nonprofit.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Flying Squirrel Enterprises ownes the the jet, the window Heinz ownes Flying Squirrel. The window Heinz merely leases time on the jet. Flying Squirrel is likely a money losing corp.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||

#6  IIUC most of her interest income comes from tax-exempt bonds
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#7  The real q is Where's the other $20M+? If her fortune's $500M, and if she puts, oh 65% into tax-exempt fixed-income, then she's got another $150M to invest in hedge funds, real estate LPs and other vehicles that can be structured to avoid taxes while generating higher returns. Her real income is likely closer to $15M from the tax-exempts plus another $15M at least from the hedge funds etc, or $30M total.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||

#8  gotta be lex....
the willow Heinz must pay up!
Posted by: Famous Roosevelt Gravy Train Graber || 10/18/2004 18:58 Comments || Top||

#9  All of the 'expenses' of paying household servants, etc. are easily funnelled off into dummy holding corporations so that they can take the depreciation, cost of maintenance, payroll & etc. There are thousands of small business owners that pull the same thing (albeit on a smaller scale) every year. If you have an LLC which holds most of the income for you, or you can assign your loss to a dummy corp, then it all just goes away . . .
Posted by: Jame Retief || 10/18/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#10  I did this elsewhere on the 'net and it's a bit late in the day but what the heck (note that this entire analysis is grossly oversimplified and done merely to illustrate a point. It ignores legitimate ways of avoiding current taxes such as holding appreciated assets rather than selling them):

Speaking of offshore investments try to reconcile the following: Teresa Heinz Kerry has a net worth of approximately at least $1,000,000,000 (estimates range from $1B to $3.9B) but according to the information she just released she had taxable income of only $2,291,137 and nontaxable income of $2,781,791 (the $4,600,000 in charitable contributions are a red herring since the foundations will file their own taxes and she won't have been able to deduct this amount).

Let's assume that she's playing by the rules and reporting all of her income: that's an annual return on her net worth of just over one half of one percent. Folks, she could more than quadruple her return by merely rolling all of her assets into 1-year CDs.

Or could she? Try to line the above up with the following quote from the SFGate article I linked, "Heinz Kerry's investments, worth an estimated $500 million in 1995, have grown over the last nine years to $1 billion or more, even accounting for large living expenses and charitable contributions, according to an analysis of Securities and Exchange Commission filings, Senate financial disclosure reports, probate documents and other public records." Using a simple annually compounded future value formula that represents an average annual rate of return of around 8%.

Assuming $1,000,000,000 net worth and an 8% ROR (she probably did significantly better since we're in an economic upswing) we'd expect Mrs. Heinz Kerry to report around $80,000,000 in taxable income for this last tax year less the approximately $2.7M in nontaxable interest income she reported for a net taxable income of approximately $77,300,000.

The bottom line:

Approximate federal tax due @ previous 39.6% rate = $30,600,000
Approximate federal tax due @ Bush's new 35% rate = $27,100,000
Actual federal tax paid by Teresa Heinz Kerry = $798,820
Theoretical (uncollectable) tax revenue loss due to Bush tax cut = $3,500,000
Actual tax revenue lost because the rich can always avoid paying = $26,301,180
Actual tax revenue lost due to Bush tax cut (0.396/0.35 * $798,820 - $798,820) = $104,988

Let's assume that Mrs. Heinz Kerry's behavior is typical of the wealthy (it is) and that we can't significantly increase collections (we can't). There are approximately 313 billionaires like Mrs. Heinz Kerry living in the United States. They control assets valued at approximately $800B. Assuming that they're averaging as a group returns similar to those of Mrs. Heinz Kerry and reporting similar amounts of income for each billion in assets (slam dunks on each) the total tax revenue actually lost to marginal rate cuts favoring billionaires under the Bush tax cut is ($800B * $105k tax / $1B assets) is around $84,000,000. That $84,000,000 represents the amount necessary to fund our federal government for approximately 20 minutes. Think it's really worth arguing about marginal rate reductions for the wealthy or does that now seem to be merely a pointless and unproductive class warfare political ideology?

Food for thought: the federal government operates at an efficiency of approximately 27.2% (number provided by an occasional business partner of mine who's heavily into this stuff and whom I have no reason to doubt). Raising the efficiency of the operation of the federal government by 0.0038% (yes 38 one-thousandths of one percent) would recoup the entire amount of revenue "lost" to marginal rate cuts for billionaires under the Bush tax cut and would have positive economic consequences while avoiding the negative economic consequences of raising the top marginal rate. Which sounds like a better way to address the issue?
Posted by: AzCat || 10/18/2004 22:37 Comments || Top||

#11  Yeah. What he said! Or, as Gus Grissom might've said, "Fuckin' A, Bubba!"

AzCat - are you taking on clients at present?
Posted by: .com || 10/18/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||

#12  .com - at the moment I'm not practicing, just writing songs. :)
Posted by: AzCat || 10/18/2004 22:58 Comments || Top||

#13  With all due respect AzCat, I'd like to see a flat-rate tax. Eliminate all loopholes. Just declare what you had at the beginning of the year and at the end. Tax the difference, if you must tax.

Ultimately I'd rather not have any income tax, but that will have to come after getting rid of the Welfare State, Social Security, and Dept of Education.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/19/2004 0:25 Comments || Top||

#14  Kalle - A flat income tax is the 2nd best proposal out there (all income taxes are bad because they tax economic productivity). The best is a flat retail sales tax. It would make the US the world's preferred tax haven and we'd be staggered by the rush of capital into our economy (remember that to grow an economy you have to add labor, add capital, or increase productivity). But the critical component is this: the bills that have been in the House & Senate the past couple of years called for a 23% sales tax (and elimination of all other federal taxes except taxes on imported goods) while a couple of Harverd economists have calculated that current the prices of all goods sold in the US economy are inflated approximately 20-22% by the current federal tax burden imposed on producers/sellers. Thus we'd expect a competitive economy to reduce the price of goods by around 20% while we'd pay approximately 23% to the federal government on the reduced basis. At first glance it looks like a wash BUT we'd be paying with untaxed dollars rather than our current taxed dollars so we'd be far ahead as consumers. The sales tax is so superior on so many fronts as to be a no-brainer, the question is whether we can push aside our entrenched special interests and get our politicians to give up the class warfare, intergenerational warfare, & race baiting the current systems allows them to engage in.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/19/2004 0:43 Comments || Top||

#15  AzCat, the problem with sales tax is that it opens the door to government control of all business.

I'd rather leave all corporations alone. Make the income tax flat, and let each individual feel the pain directly. Best recipe to reduce the scope of government, and to eventually abolish the income tax itself.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/19/2004 0:51 Comments || Top||

#16  Actually the bills introduced last year would have abolished all taxes on business (note the massive gains in competitiveness we'd experience overnight).

But I agree 100% with letting every individual feel the pain and see the true cost of the government services they demand. That *is* the only path that leads anywhere I want to go.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/19/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||


SF Pravda Chronicle endorses Kerry. Surprised?
While I don't agree with the endorsement, I do agree with their analysis of the candidates:

"Sen. John Kerry is the clear choice for voters who care about advancing gay rights and preserving abortion."

I left out the part of the quote where it talks about "Judges with American values, maintaining a transparent government, and protecting the environment." That's because the election will not be decided on these issues. Also I can't see a Kerry administration changing anything in composition, scope, or goal with respect to Iraq. To do so would doom both the Iraqis and American foreign policy for the next generation (see Vietnam for example). So if you want your 12-year-old daughter to be able to have an abortion on demand then by all means vote for Kerry. If want the Military, Boy Scouts, and religious organizations to be forced to accept open gay/lesbian/transgender/bestiality/necrophiliacs members then by all means vote for Senator Kerry. Also if you think it's ok for the above categories to intermarry, then Kerry's your man (err partner).
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 12:22:20 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  To quote Mike else where
"I'm John Kerry, and I approved this message."
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Preserving abortion?

Is there a formaldehyde concession up for grabs?
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#3  President Bush, on the other hand, is the clear choice for voters who think that avoiding a nuclear attack on an American city might be just a trifle more pressing than advancing gay rights and preserving abortion.
Posted by: Matt || 10/18/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm so surprised.

NOT
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/18/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||


Arabia
With Friends Like These...Facing up to Saudi Arabia.
snippet
What is new is State's resolve to draw the only possible policy conclusion from its own findings of fact. My sources in and out of government all confirm that the Saudi designation is not the result of any particular Saudi action or American epiphany, but rather the product of the cumulative weight of stubborn facts. These include the fact that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis; growing revelations of massive private and public Saudi funding of extremist groups and institutions worldwide (e.g., Pakistani madrassas); and continuing evidence of Saudi interference in American religious life, leading to the expulsion of some 70 Saudi nationals for abuse of diplomatic status since 9/11.

Designating Saudi Arabia as a country of particular concern marks "a sea change," notes Rep. Tom Lantos (D., Calif.), ranking member of the House International Relations Committee and co-chairman of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus. "For years there was an unspoken attitude that...friends like the British, the French, and the Germans could be criticized, but Saudi Arabia was beyond criticism," he says. "This is just a straw in the wind that Saudi Arabia will be treated just like any other country."

Just so.

Whatever the formal U.S. response taken under IRFA, business as usual with the Saudis is no longer acceptable.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 12:04:23 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
China fights UN sanctions on Sudan to safeguard oil
China is trying to stop the United Nations imposing sanctions on Sudan over the crisis in the Darfur regionto protect its oil imports from the country, say western diplomats. For the past six years Beijing has been the Sudanese government's main backer, buying 70 per cent of its exports, servicing its $20bn debt and supplying the Khartoum government with most of its weapons. Beijing oil imports jumped 35 per cent this year and its reliance on a growing number of rogue states to meet its needs is putting it on a collision course with the United States. Sudan and Iran together supply 20 per cent of China's oil imports, and if economic sanctions were applied to either, Beijing would be unable to sustain its high growth rates.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 1:19:52 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If China has this relationship with Sudan then why can't we convince China to deal with Sudan? Screw the UN. Go right to China and tell then to sort Sudan out. If China wants to be a world player it's going to have to act like one. This is a good chance to show the world what it can do.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||

#2  SPoD, I don't think we want Chinese troops anywhere but in China (if that's what you meant).

China's reliance on rogue states will come back to bite them hard. About the only thing you have going for you in a Communist, centrally planned economy is predictability. Predictability is in short supply when dealing w/ rogue nations.
Posted by: Psycho Hillbilly || 10/18/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
"Dear Limey assholes..."
Forgive me please, Bulldog, Howard, Tony, Shep, and persons of a delicate constitution. The headline is courtesy the Guardian. It's a sampling of the Guardian's American mailbag as regards Operation Clark County. Priceless.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 11:59:02 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heh heh, no really guys, how does that make you feel?
Posted by: jn1 || 10/18/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#2  You know the Stars and Stripes really is quite garish?
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 0:39 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL What cam to mind was.
YHBT. HAND. ROTFLMAO
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Hilarious! (speaking as a non-American).

Also, Australian news is running footage of Kerry saying (and I paraphrase) 'The President is also the leader of the free world and we need someone who the world respects'.

My immediate genuine reaction was 'If I were an American, I would be embarassed to have you represent me to the world.'

For twoud the almighty God the gift to gie us, to se ourselves as others see us.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 1:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Please be advised that I have forwarded this to the CIA and FBI.

Wonder if Gaurdian members and Journalists will be put on the "no-fly" list. Or maybe even the " departing at 30,000 ft" list.
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 2:49 Comments || Top||

#6  F*cking classic:

Have you not noticed that Americans don't give two shits what Europeans think of us?
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Consider this: stay out of American electoral politics
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You vote for your leaders and we'll vote for ours. Your problem is with your leaders, not ours.
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Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it.
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I'm hoping that it is genius satire. Nothing will do more to undermine the Democratic cause in Ohio than having patronising Brits wander around Clark County telling people how to vote
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I enjoy reading your paper and agree with your politics, but this is really too much.Your plan, if carried out, will hurt the Bush opposition TERRIBLY.
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Thank heavens! I was adrift in a sea of confusion and you are my beacon of hope! ... Please remember, too, that I am merely an American. That means I am not very bright. It means I have no culture or sense of history. It also means that I am barely literate, so please don't use big, fancy words
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That was my favorite. Those Guardian brits should get that sort of humor.

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We all enjoyed this at work. Cheers.
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That, I think, was the best low ball putdown.

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The next time you have elections in Great Britain, I shall endeavour to send names of your citizens to people in France, Iraq, India, the United Arab Emirates, Botswana, Pakistan, China and Argentina so that they may attempt to influence your election. It's only fair that everybody in the world should have a say in the selection of the prime minister
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While I empathise with your plight, this attempt to influence voters by sending letters from foreigners will have a negative effect on your ultimate goal. You will cause people to empathise with the president, not the other way around.
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Who in the hell do you think you are??? Well, I'll tell you, you're a bunch of meddling socialist pricks!
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I've decided that neither myself, nor my family will ever visit again. ... Though I still love the castles!
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Well, you gotta love the castles. Points for bringing up the castles.

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Perhaps there is something wrong with you. Perhaps it is your teeth.
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And the best for last:

Thank God above for you English! Just when I was beginning to despair at the thought of Bush being re-elected, you come along with a strategy to help us! Your invitation to your readership and rationale for offering it are provocative at the least, and laudable at best.

Ha, ha! I almost feel sorry.

What is that I smell?

Napalm.


I love the smell of napalm in the morning...
Posted by: beer_me || 10/18/2004 3:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Absolutely superb - off to brush my teeth.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 4:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Heh heh heh... :) I'll admit I'm surprised they did this. Wonder what the ratio of positive:negative feedback actually has been. Interesting to see that the rabidly anglophobic responses get pre-eminence amongst the negative repsonses. Nothing like a bit of spin to keep your deluded readers' prejudices intact, especially when you're going down in flames.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 4:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Dear Limey assholes.

I am all out of hashish and Guinness please send more. About that election letter thing I don't think it's a good idea. We have a habit of blowing shit up that pisses us off over here, so don't piss us off.

Thanks

Sock Puppet of Doom
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 6:17 Comments || Top||

#10  Interesting. I thought this was a hoax at first. Makes you wonder how they edited the letters. Seems to be quite a fair sample, but knowing the Guardian...

Maybe they've been influenced by the Pajamahadeen. Pushing your own angry letter back in your face is more the style of the blogosphere than the MSM.
Posted by: Bryan || 10/18/2004 6:43 Comments || Top||

#11  I think the title letter could have used a bit more cultural sensitivity. I would have started it "Dear Limey Arseholes".
Posted by: Dr. Weevil || 10/18/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||

#12  I'd ask them if they'd like to attend a tea party.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#13  And I misread the least of beer_me's quotes as ending thus "... provocative at the least, and laughable at best." hehe
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/18/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#14  That's why I love America, straight to the point. e.g.
My favorite:
"Who in the hell do you think you are??? Well, I'll tell you, you're a bunch of meddling socialist pricks! Stay the hell out of our country and politics. And another thing, John Kerry is a worthless lying sack of crap so it doesn't surprise me that a socialist rag like yours would back him. I hope your cynical ploy blows up in your cowardly faces, you bunch of mealy-mouthed morons!
United States "

Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#15  I should have also noted here that my feelings on this don't apply to all Brits. I was born there myself and mum would be rather angry if I said otherwise.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#16  The Guardian stunt generates worldwide publicity for the paper. My guess is that publicity is more important to the Guardian than who wins the US election.

News as an entertainment business is a problem with our society. As long as bad news sells more papers, papers will focus on bad news (or in the worst case, manufacture bad news).
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 10/18/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#17  ...and I find your National Anthem quite warlike and frightening. Might you change it to "Imagine" or something similiar? We International Weenie Boys would feel so much more comfortable with that.
Thanks much.
Posted by: Britiot || 10/18/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#18  Haven't tried this but apparently this email addy will re-direct your email to all of the Guardian editors' email addresses:

guardian@brainshavings.com

Give these clowns a taste of their own spam! btw, Tim Blair has more fun'n'games:
http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/007769.php


Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#19  The Guardian stunt generates worldwide publicity for the paper. My guess is that publicity is more important to the Guardian than who wins the US election

Of course. Look what spam did for Nigeria's share of mind. Perhaps the Guardian can branch out into the lucrative viagra email market as well.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#20  How can the only national anthem to begin and end with questions be threatening? What is threatening aboout asking a question, appropriately named Bridiot?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#21  No prob Britiot. Besides, it was setting to be a quite a nuisance watching International Weenie Boys drop a load in their shorts every time the Star Spangled Banner was played.
Posted by: ed || 10/18/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#22  LOL! Kind of what I expected from everyone: A big buzz off. Can we return the favor when the UK holds elections? Wonder how the brits would take it? Bulldog? Howard?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#23  Bwahhhaaaa...it's so clear that they don't grasp even one tenth of the sacrasm inflicted on them.

am a student and life-long resident of Clark County, Ohio. I just wanted you to know that this is a wonderful idea you've initiated; people here love and respect the United Kingdom, especially the prime minister. I hope this campaign will be successful for your newspaper and for us voters.
Springfield, Ohio


clue to guardian...that is sarcasm! Those comments just assured a Bush victory in Clark County. Thanks!
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#24  and by "those comments" I meant all of "those comments" that you published.

GWB and Karl Rove cannot thank you enough.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#25  Thank you for your comments, Britiot.
For their part, Americans found the attack on Fort McHenry quite warlike and threatening.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#26  ...and I find your National Anthem quite warlike and frightening. Might you change it to "Imagine" or something similiar? We International Weenie Boys would feel so much more comfortable with that.
Thanks much.


You blinkered idiots think this guy was being serious?? Can you not grasp basic sarcasm? This guy is AGREEING with you you fools by lampooining a typical british letter to your electorate. My god 3 of you are too stupid to grasp that? no wonder you vote bush.
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#27  Aisle #26, Blathering Troll alert!
Posted by: Conanista || 10/18/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#28  mispelled Atheist too, tool....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#29  Cyber Sarge - so long as the letters are addressed only to Guardina readers, you weon't do any harm (unlike the Guardian which, I suspect, has done a great deal of harm to its nut-shit moonbat leftoid agenda.)
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 13:46 Comments || Top||

#30  But, you have failed (as per usual for this site) to answer the CONTENT of the post. The 3 posters misread Britiot's post. Why don't you focus on the issues for once instead of lame attempts at character assassination?
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#31  I decide what I think, authoritarian clairvoyant assclown, and that isn't it.
I quite recognize that Britiot's remarks are satirical and I have addressed them in the same vein, as others probably have as well. That would be obvious if you weren't an authoritarian shithead in love with his own media-slavery. Now, dumbshit, prove my point by continuing to argue with me.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#32  So, AtheistSocialist, maybe you can share some divine wisdom with us. First, what was the content of the post?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/18/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#33  Strange, i would have expected the 'hey, i knew it was a joke all along' post to have been the first response. Still, you were still first in line in your attempt to save face. Perhaps it's me but could you explain how your responses to Britiots satirical point that wimpy lefty europeans may find your national anthem warlike was to respond with (and i paraphrase i know) 'hey! the british attacked us in the revolutionary war you know'; can't quite see the satirical double meaning in that?
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#34  "I before E except after C", genius.
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#35  Can this pompous soshellist narcissist self-fellating bufoon be just relegated to the trollistan? Please?

For his own sake... it is so painfull to bear witness to his misery. People shoot horses too.
Posted by: Conanista || 10/18/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#36  "Strange, i would have expected the 'hey, i knew it was a joke all along' post to have been the first response."
Perhaps because it is true? More evidence of your clairvoyance.
"Still, you were still first in line in your attempt to save face. Perhaps it's me but could you explain how your responses to Britiots satirical point that wimpy lefty europeans may find your national anthem warlike was to respond with (and i paraphrase i know) 'hey! the british attacked us in the revolutionary war you know'; can't quite see the satirical double meaning in that?"
Again, you are attempting to tell me what I think, and to analyze a piece of satire, yet you cannot even construct a coherent sentence.
As an authoritarian adolescent sound-biter, you obviously confine all attempts at wit and irony to a single sentence and the concept of picking up a cue is therefore alien to you.
It was the War of 1812, btw, not the Revolution.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#37  Why must you seek to rubbish the person who's views disagree with yours and not argue with their points instead. This entire site appears to be an endless list of faux news items followed by alot of comments that simply agree with the article posted and (not literally mind) shout 'go team america'. Perhaos America's greatest problem today is left and right being totally unable to enter discourse with each other.
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/18/2004 14:05 Comments || Top||

#38  Just attack Apesh*tSociopath's arrogance and he'll go down faster than a hooker on a $50 blowjob..
Posted by: badanov || 10/18/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#39  "Why must you seek to rubbish the person who's views disagree with yours and not argue with their points instead."

You mean rubbish like this in your first post: "blinkered idiots" "too stupid to grasp that" and "no wonder you vote for Bush?"

Your points are based on strawmen, the presumption of authority, and the pretense of clairvoyance; that is really all the argument required, case closed.

When I went to British schools in the 50s, they still taught logic and composition. That is plainly no longer the case.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#40  Well, discourse would be fine, but your trollish approach is not helpfull in that direction at all.

If you call that discourse, then you need to check your textbooks or ask your teacher very hard questions.

OTOH, if you are after scoring troll points, then you certainly manage rather well. I think that has been duly recognized last night by issuing the prestigeous RB award.
Posted by: Conanista || 10/18/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#41  "Go Team America!"

I can live with that. Has a nice ring. Catchy, even.

And much easier on the psyche than all that Euro envy...

Go Team America!
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#42  ALL THE WAY WITH GTA!
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#43  oops, not too grammatical... simpler's better: GTA!
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#44  What an ego! I know lots of people Athier than he is...
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#45  The tone here is frightening and warlike! As an International Weenie Boy, I am obligated to run in terror and blame Bush!
Posted by: Britiot || 10/18/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#46  wait! that's sarcasm, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#47  Could Al Guardian really be so stupid as to not realize how this will backfire?

As much as I despise these Streicherist bigots, I have a hard time believing that they really are, though some of their chatterati readers are obviously stupid and arrogant enought to test their traditional and smug presumption of authority in this fashion.

It seems more likely that the real purpose is to set up a semi-direct confrontation between the Guardian audience and offended Americans. Since the former are utterly oblivious to their own arrogance and bigotry, the overall effect will be
to make them feel threatened and rejected.

As a result, they will bind themselves even more closely to the Guardian view and the appeals of its advertisers.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#48  "The tone here is frightening and warlike! As an International Weenie Boy, I am obligated to run in terror and blame Bush!"

Thank you again, Britiot, for taking the time to succinctly express the opposition view on behalf of those who are manifestly unable to do so for themselves.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#49  Could Al Guardian really be so stupid as to not realize how this will backfire?

Yes, as stupid as these wingnuts are to think their signs will do something besides make them feel good about themselves.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#50  Eegad, Mrs. Davis.
I knew there were people who thought MASH was a documentary, now I know what they look like.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#51  AS - I don't usually insult people on blogs, but in your case I'll make an exception. For an allegedly educated person, your spelling is bad. But the more you post, the more it improves. You can't be learning that quickly, so you must have started running your posts through the spellcheck. How else did your 'artical' of yesterday transform itself into 'article'? Or does your spelling change with your mood?

Yesterday you scorned a Rantburger for accessing an online dictionary to tell you how to spell 'alliteration' and define it for you. Well, at least he knows that word doesn't start with an 'i'.
Posted by: Phitle Theamble7925 || 10/18/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#52  Having got that off my chest, I had a bit of trouble spelling my own name. "Phitle Theamble7925" is me.
Posted by: Bryan || 10/18/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#53  4moreyears!
Posted by: 4moreyears! || 10/18/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#54  I really feel sorry for atheists at their funerals. There they are all dressed up and nowhere to go.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/18/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#55  Alliteration?
Presumptuous prigs presuppose that primacy of pronunciation puts pendantic polish on pompous paranoid propaganda.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#56  "Illiteration" otoh undoubtedly refers to the progressive brain-rot that results from relying on mass media for news and lifestyle advice.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/18/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#57  Seafarious (me old mucker), I think this is awesome - no need to think this would offend. I've posted on Tim Blair's site lauding Americans that have given it to the Grauniad in spades.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! 'course the Grauniadistas don't believe in guns, so they must injure their feet by wearing sandals with cracked lentil insoles. Arseholes.

All this really shows is that the LLL exists on both sides of the Atlantic and they are as much of a danger to Western Civilisation as the Islamofascists.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/18/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#58  Thank God I'm an Atheist.

/sarcasm (for the sarcasm-challenged)
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#59  Too true Tony(UK)...

Posted by: Dan || 10/18/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#60  Guys, did anyone actually see the letter that began "Dear Limey Assholes"? 'Cause I looked for it and was disappointed not to find it.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 10/18/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||

#61  By the way, tonight one of the Fox guys (the one who does "My Word", forget his name) said he figured that this was a Guardian ploy to show the world how loutish and vulgar Americans were, and we entirely fulfilled their expectations.

His verdict: "And we don't care."
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 10/18/2004 19:52 Comments || Top||

#62 

Anyone who hasn't been following this really needs to head over to Tim Blair's site and read all the postings. There are a lot of terrific letters that the Grauniad didn't dare print posted in the comments. Links for your amusement:

October 13: They Know A Good Idea When They Steal One
October 15: Operation Guardian: The List
October 16: Operation Guardian Latest
October 17: Operation Guardian Guerrilla Update
October 19: The Malaysian Guardian

Enjoy!

Posted by: Old Grouch || 10/18/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||

#63  Maybe we should ask the Brits if they need France's permission to have elections now? They bend over at French and EU command now, like the good little slaves they've become.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 10/18/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||

#64  Tony, you called me a mucker. That's good, right?

;-)

Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||

#65  Anyone have any ideas on why can't I post to Blair's site?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/19/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#66  This whole thing just cracks me up - US citizens outraged that citizens of another country would dare interfere (as if a letter from a Brit is going to change anything) in their election. ha ha ha . We just had an election in Australia which was completely free of outside influence... as the following extract from the Washington Times shows...

Cheers,

Aussie

Debate Down Under
By David R. Sands
THE WASHINGTON TIMES - 30 Sept 2004

U.S. intervention
President Bush, meeting with Mr. Howard at the White House in June, said it would be "disastrous" if Australian troops pulled out of Iraq. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell added: "I don't think that's the Australia that I have known and respected for so many decades."
Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, in an interview with the Australian, the country's leading newspaper, infuriated Latham supporters by saying the Labor Party's platform calling for better strategic and cultural relations with Washington would not work if bilateral economic and political relations suffer.
"Now, you either have a full-up relationship or you don't," said Mr. Armitage, who added that he believed Mr. Latham's own party was divided over the Iraq policy.
Asked later why he did not include the standard diplomatic disclaimer against commenting on an ally's domestic political debate, Mr. Armitage replied: "I just ran out of time, I guess."
Posted by: Aussie || 10/25/2004 4:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Militant Site Announces Fighter's Death
A statement posted on an Islamic militant Web site on Sunday made a rare announcement of the death of a member of the terror group Tawhid and Jihad, said to have been killed fighting the Americans in Fallujah. The announcement, whose authenticity could not be confirmed, said Sheik Abu Hafs al-Libi "fell as a martyr on the field of battle while he was fighting the American forces and their traitorous agents," meaning Iraqi government forces. He was identified as the head of a commission of Tawhid and Jihad, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Commission? Or shura?
It was unclear when al-Libi, which may be a pseudonym, was killed, but U.S. and Iraqi government forces have been attacking targets around Fallujah for the past four days. Tawhid and Jihad, as well as other insurgent groups in Iraq, rarely announce the deaths of members. It also was unusual to declare that he was killed in Fallujah since leaders of the Sunni Triangle city have disputed U.S. and Iraqi government statements that members of the terror organization are fighting there. The announcement was posted on the Web site of Ansar al-Sunnah, said to be a separate insurgent group active in Sunni Muslim areas of the country. The statement vowed to avenge the death of the official.
Ansar al-Sunnah is a "breakaway" from Ansar al-Islam, but it doesn't look like the fracture runs very deep.

Even though I don't know who he is — and it sounds like we should know the name, though that might be because of all the Abu Hafs' running around in the Wonderful World of Terror — because they saw fit to announce it specially, and on the assumption AP's translating "shura" as "commission," I'm giving him a Fat Lady. Let the ululation begin!
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:15:32 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He's changed his name to Abu Gatta Bubu
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Did they give an address where we can send JDAMs flowers?
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#3  sorry. sympathy meter ot registering anything.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/18/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Here's some possibles:
ANAS AL-LIBY, AKA: Anas Al-Sabai, Anas Al-Libi, Nazih Al-Raghie, Nazih Abdul Hamed Al-Raghie. Anas Al-Liby is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya.

Mafouz Ould Walid, a Mauritanian also known as "Abu Hafs" whom U-S officials had reported killed in Afghanistan in January. A U-S official who spoke to V-O-A acknowledged there were "indications" that the Mauritanian, Abu Hafs, survived the military assault and may have fled into Iranian territory.

Lot's of guys whose names are close, it's a bitch trying to keep them straight.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Daffy duck, pliers, the rack, metres of all varieties just can't compete with the original illustration of illustrations.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:39 Comments || Top||

#6  probably announced his name as a recuiting tool. And I have it on personal authority the 72 virgins thing is true. its just that they all look like Jane Hathaway from the Beverly Hillbillies
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Fred, is Ansar al-Sunnah just a different spelling for Ansar al-Sunni? BTW, I thought they and Ansar-al-Islam were more or less one and the same. Was I mistaken?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Phil, How can you keep track. These guys change spelings faster than an NFL team changes cities.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#9  I can't really keep track, Mrs. Davis. Although reading Rantburg helps :-)
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/18/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Cheap shot infidel Davis. Call your lawyers.
Posted by: Abu Davis || 10/18/2004 19:54 Comments || Top||

#11  Akubar Oakland!
(unless I get a better deal)
Peace and money upon me.
Posted by: Abu Davis || 10/18/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||

#12  Would have been better if I could have remembered for 20 seconds Mrs. Davis' last name. Made it damn sorry.

Posted by: Abu Davis || 10/18/2004 19:57 Comments || Top||

#13  Is that you Mr. Davis? You really have gone over the the dark side. And I don't care if you have changed your first name to Abu, just be sure to sign the alimony checks every month.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Good news from Afghanistan
And lots of it! 'Cept for the part about John Kerry, the BBC, and Fahrenheit 911 at the end of the article...
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 11:44:58 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Southeast Asia
Mahathir tells American Muslims to vote for Kerry
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 11:30 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That makes sense. Mahathir and Kerry are similar, though not alike. Bush is nothing like Mahathir.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Another Leader of an American Ally in the Kerry Kook Kamp.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#3  The PM should contact The Guardian for some Email addresses in Clark County...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#4  hahah! The PM should contact The Guardian for some Email addresses in Clark County...

If you don't understand this joke, you don't understand the American people.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Well slap mah britches! Iffen ah didn know bettah, this sounds lahk.....meddling!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
The Difference One Man Made
Soviet intelligence man Rihard Sorge and his closest associate Hozumi Ozaki's execution papers have been disclosed in Japan. The Asahi newspaper published on Sunday photocopies of four sheets of paper where the enforcement of the two death penalties is described. Tomia Watabe, a Sorge biographer, found them by chance in an old bookstore in Tokyo among old papers of the U.S. occupation forces' HQ. According to Watabe, these papers draw a line under uncertainty as to the Soviet super-spy's last minutes.

The death penalty log of the Itigaya prison and the Sugamo detention center for 1932-1945 reads: "Warden Itijima, on checking the name and age of the convict, told him that the Justice Ministry had ordered to serve the sentence on the same day, and that he was expected to meet the death calmly. The warden also asked the convict whether the latter wished to add anything to his will, as to what should be done to his body and his things. Zorge answered, "My will is going to remain as written." The warden asked, "Do you wish to say anything else?" "No, nothing else," said Zorge. "After that exchange Zorge turned to the prison men present and said, 'I thank you for your kindness.' Then he was put into the death chamber where the sentence was served. Time: 10:20 to 10:36. Under the executed man's will, his body was buried."

Rihard Zorge was arrested by the Japanese counterintelligence in Tokyo on October 18, 1941, and executed on November 7, 1944. His reports in the very beginning of war with the Nazis convinced the Soviet leadership that Japan would not attack the Soviet Union, which enabled the Russians to send forces from the Far East to protect Moscow where the Nazis were defeated for the first time in WWII.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 11:28:48 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I find it hard to believe they would have treated a convicted spy with such respect and dignity considering how atrociously they treated POWs and civilians in occupied territories throughout the war, e.g. Bataan death march, rape of Nanking, etc. If this article is true, then Sorge was quite lucky to be executed with a minimum of fuss.
Posted by: Dar || 10/18/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I ever considered Sorge's role was higly inflated: with the Germans at the doors of Moscow Stalin would have been a fool to not bring back the troops from Siberia. And even without any Soviet resistance the poorly motorized Japanese Army would have taken ages to reach "real Russia".
Posted by: JFM || 10/18/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Japan's advance westward across 11 time zones would have been several times more disastrous than Hitler's march eastward.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||

#4  JFM:
Remember that the troops in the Far Eastern district started moving in September, while the Germans were still a ways from Moskva and there was a hope that they could be held in Smolensk. While Uncle Joe would likely have moved the divisions west if the situation got desperate, it takes time (about a month) to organize them for shipment, get them west, then reorganize them to fight again.
Posted by: jackal || 10/18/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#5  After Zukov kicked the Japaneae Armies collective ass in Mongolia the Imperial Army was in dread that the Red Army would move on them in Manchuria. The idea that Japan would attack the USSR as part of the pact with Germany and Italy is happy smoke in my opinion. In fact Hitler's biggest mistake in my opinion was not that he invaded the Soviet Union but that he declared war on the United States. That put the full weight of the Worlds greatest industrial power fully behind the British and really opened the door to lend lease to the russians. If Hitler ahd not declared war on the US it is doubtful IMO that the US would of been involved in the Eurpean war at all and and it most likely would of ended in a negotiated settlement that would of left Britian independent but largely shorn of hr empire. The settlement between the Germany and the USSR would of been somewhere in Belarus and the Ukraine. With the US devoting her entire resources to a naval war with Japan we might of seen an invasion of the home islands by late 44. Just my opinion
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#6  They was gonna take the train JFM, didn't need no motorization.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
The War-Winning Weapon
As vicious as the struggle for power in Iraq is, the new government has a war-winning weapon that could, at a stroke, undercut the insurgency, enrich the Iraqi people and create a powerful, long-term force for democracy, national unity and economic development. That weapon is oil.

To deploy it, Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's government should announce that as of a date certain, a new national investment fund -- call it The Iraqi People's Freedom Trust -- will be credited with a major share of all future Iraqi oil earnings. Revenues directed to the Trust would be invested in government bonds, with a small cash reserve to cover withdrawals by individual Iraqis.

All 27 million Iraqis -- men, women and children -- would to eligible to claim an equal, personal investment account in the Freedom Trust. All they need do is prove Iraqi birth and pledge allegiance to the government. Registration for shares in the Trust could go hand in hand with voter registration for the upcoming national elections. Adult citizens should be free, at any time, to ask for a calculation of their account's value and withdraw up to their full balance -- no questions asked.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: tipper || 10/18/2004 11:27:00 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The good part of this idea is that it builds on the idea of establishing an "ownership" society rather than an "entitlement" society.

Biggest problem: The islamic idea that the daddy owns the family outright, and thus I would hear calls for enabling "daddy" to cash in on the trusts of wives and children. I forsee future hubby demanding wifey's trust as condition of marriage. Forbidding pre-adults and their parents from cashing in would probably benefit the sons, but I don't see daughters benefitting
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#2  In Iraq, it would end up being more a tribal ownership than an individual one. Then again, with fewer 'owners' to deal with, that might prove better and more effective for the Iragi government.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/18/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#3  This is brilliant on so many levels. I love it!
Posted by: Anonymous6599 || 10/18/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Monster meet for Godzilla experts
Academics are to gather at a university in the United States to discuss the legacy of film monster Godzilla. This year marks the 50th anniversary of the lizard's first cinematic outing, since when he has been in 27 films. The University of Kansas Center for East Asian Studies will host the conference, looking at Godzilla's impact on global culture. The event, on 28 October, will include a film festival, exhibitions and a giant inflatable Godzilla.
Can't have a event without one.
The film Gojira - the Japanese movie that started Godzilla's career in November 1954 - will be shown during the conference. Organisers want to provoke discussion of globalisation, Japanese popular culture and Japanese-American relations after World War II.
A seminar titled "Godzilla, Why Does He Hate Us?"
Bill Tsutsui, a history professor at the University of Kansas and author of the book Godzilla on My Mind, said he would like people to take Godzilla "more seriously". Historians, anthropologists and other academics from prestigious universities such as Duke, Harvard and Vanderbilt are expected to attend. Yoshikuni Igarashi, director of east Asian studies at Vanderbilt, said he saw Godzilla films as important cultural artefacts. He plans to lecture on the 1964 film Godzilla vs The Thing, in which Godzilla battles the giant moth, Mothra, and its offspring.
One of the great films of our time.
Japan's Toho Co produced 27 Godzilla films over five decades, with a 28th movie, Godzilla: Final Wars, to be released in December. Takao Shibata, the Japanese consul general in Kansas City, said the meeting would help educate people about his nation but added: "The idea of this kind of serious analysis of the evolution of Godzilla - it never occurred to me."
Who's paying for this crucial academic study? Can anybody get in on the scam research? I've got some important ideas I'd love to contribute if I only had a piece of the boodle funding.
As long as you can conclusively prove or at least convincingly insinuate that Godzilla is categorically America's fault (and manage to work in a snark at Bushitler or John Ashkkkroft), you'll be "in like Flynn." You get a bonus grant and a paid vacation scholarly retreat to Antwerp if your presentation links the Kyoto Treaty to the NorK obsession with becoming a nuclear power and Dick Cheney's corporate masters at Halliburton. Now I'd like my cut of the boodle, please.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 11:00:08 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bill Tsutsui, ..., said he would like people to take Godzilla "more seriously".

Quite frankly, I'm having a little trouble taking you seriously right now, Bill.
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 12:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Personally, as an 9 year old child, it was RODAN that peeked my interest... :))
Posted by: borgboy || 10/18/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Which one had the two little women that sang to calm the monster? Mothra?
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Mojo, I believe you're thinking of Gamera.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 10/18/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Finally a topic where I have expertise!!

Mojo- The twins are associated with Mothra.

Here is a parody with their picture, here.
Posted by: Penguin || 10/18/2004 13:49 Comments || Top||

#6  With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires down
Helpless people on a subway train
Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them
He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town

Oh no, they say he’s got to go
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla, yeah . . .


Blue Oyster Cult's finest moment as musicians.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Keynote address by Hideki Matsui
Posted by: Grunter || 10/18/2004 14:08 Comments || Top||

#8  BZZZZT - Big BOC fan here - Astronomy, Harvester of Eyes, ME262, Cities on Flame, all of Agents of Fortune were better....Godzilla just got the airplay ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#9  You people are churlishly denigrating one of the great film series of my youth. Many hours spent watching Godzilla stomping his way thru Tokyo blowing firey death. Simpler times, simpler pleasures. Or maybe it's just me who has become simple. Yes, it was Mothra. And yes, Rodan was very cool. Have all the first movies on DVD.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#10  Ok duh, then how come we haven't found any fossils of Godzilla then? huh huh??
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#11  Al:

It's possible to simultaneously love the Godzilla movies and have a little fun with the more dorky and absurd elements thereof. Mothra may have been intensely silly, but I still thought the singing girls were pretty hot.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Mike: of course it's possible to do both. Actually, it's required. The original dubbed Godzilla with Raymmond Burr is one of the worst movies ever made, except for the stomping episodes. I consider myself an expert on the worst sci-fi movies ever made. While Godzilla wouldn't make the top ten, it's close.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 15:14 Comments || Top||

#13  There are valid historical angst/horrors (Hiroshima & Nagasaki)that belie any belittling of a hermeneutic exegesis of Godzilla. The monster was very much the product of a Japanese collective id/soulthat survived two Atomic Bombings. The vengeance wrecked by the monster and the monster's subsequent rise to Japanese hero can be viewed as an exemplar of the Japanese social consciousness striking out - if only metaphorically - against the occupying and hegemonic power...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/18/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#14  Re: #13. They didn't like the bomb. Enough said.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 17:15 Comments || Top||

#15  Personally, I prefer the short 'Godzilla meets Bambi'.
Posted by: Don || 10/18/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#16  #13 There are valid historical angst/horrors (Hiroshima & Nagasaki)that belie any belittling of a hermeneutic exegesis of Godzilla. The monster was very much the product of a Japanese collective id/soulthat survived two Atomic Bombings. The vengeance wrecked by the monster and the monster's subsequent rise to Japanese hero can be viewed as an exemplar of the Japanese social consciousness striking out - if only metaphorically - against the occupying and hegemonic power...
Posted by: borgboy 2004-10-18 4:53:50 PM


i gues if you can't dazzle 'em with your brilliance baffle 'em with your bullshit. But in all seriousness would the Japanese movie industry even made this waste of celuloid if Hollywood hadn't been making bad radiation mutated moster movies, ie Them.
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||

#17  I have a court order to stop the showing of the "So Called Original Godzila". It has been illegally altered, Paul Drake will soon arrive, whisper in my ear and give me a way out of this paragraph.
Posted by: Perry Mason || 10/18/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#18  Gotta get back to the office for a little private dictation with Della 'eh?
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#19  We were watching Godzilla vs. The Thing in Berkeley in the 60s, which was a benefit for some radical group. Some guy high on something finally jumped on stage and was pacing back and forth, screaming "Enough! Enough! Stop it! This is consuming my very soul!!!!

Somebody yelled, "Save his soul and get his ass offstage!" Then 3 or 4 people came on stage and escorted him away......and we continued the movie.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#20  Godzilla meets Bambi?

Who wins?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#21  Who's on top?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#22  "Godzilla meets Bambi?

Who wins?"

"Who's on top?"

That is so wrong. Yet I can't stop thinking about the result.
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#23  I still can't believe the same film company that made Seven Samuraii (one of the best films of all time) also made Godzilla. The humanity.

Second, Godzilla is a fascinating incite into the Japanese. For example, the first movie is anti-nuke. Nukes free Godzilla and a scientist creates a super-weapon that is used, against his wishes I think, to destroy Godzilla. Superweapons create more harm than good, yada, yada, yada. That's when Japan was a decade and a half away from having nukes dropped on them so naturally passions were high.

Fast forward a couple of more years and we get Japan pushing the nuclear power option in a big way. What happens? Godzilla starts protecting Japan from other monsters. He becomes a hero. Coincidence, I think not.

Oh, and the Hollywood remake sucked. How do you lose Godzilla in the middle of Manhattan? Rubble, rubble, rubble, hey the rubble stops and there is this giant hole, Where did Godzilla go?
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/18/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||

#24  Yep, I think I saw the results in Deer In City, This Time It's Personal.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#25  My kids stumbled on to a cable channel showing Destroy All Monsters a few months back. Most fun we'd had in a long time.
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 20:51 Comments || Top||

#26  For those really needing a Godzilla fix, may I recommend the Playstation 2 game "War of the Monsters". It has all the great 50s and 60s B movie monster types available for a fun smash and crush through cities, secret bases, and a final fight level just before the Capital in DC to take on invading saucers.
Posted by: Don || 10/18/2004 21:41 Comments || Top||

#27  20 Godzilla meets Bambi? Who wins??

See the sequel "Bambi's Revenge" to find that out.
Posted by: sc88 || 10/18/2004 23:12 Comments || Top||

#28  I hate to break it to ya, perry, but Pauls Drake is shacked up down at the beach with Della Street...
Posted by: mojo || 10/19/2004 0:11 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canada deals blow to cheap US drug imports
More than 30 Canadian internet pharmacies have decided not to accept bulk orders of prescription drugs from US states and municipalities. The move delivers a potentially serious setback to US politicians most notably Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry campaigning to give Americans easier access to cheap drugs from Canada... But growing concern in Canada that growing exports to the US could lead to rising prices and shortages north of the border has prompted the Canadian International Pharmacy Association (Cipa), whose members include several of the biggest internet and mail-order drugstores, to act. "We don't want to give Americans the impression that we have unlimited supply for them to tap into on a commercial basis," said David Mackay, the association's executive director. Americans, he added, "can't get everything from Canada. We can't be your complete drugstore"...
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 1:08:40 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No news here. Anybody who thought little Canada was going to provide drugs for 300 million U.S. citizens was a fool from the start.
Posted by: Tom || 10/18/2004 8:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Tom- that's exactly right. But of course plenty of US politicians are fools. The Canadian system only works because the market is relatively small. Open it to Americans and watch the system implode.
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 9:10 Comments || Top||

#3  They must have got the word from the American drug companies that they were not going to supply them with a unlimited amount of below cost drugs. Tha Canadian government had forced the US drug makers to sell to Canada at a low cost or they would not honor the drug patents. As long as it was for the small Canadian market, they went along with it. I'd wager they just sent a message they weren't gonna go along any more if massive sales to the US continued.
Posted by: Steve || 10/18/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#4  In other news, restaurants across the land inform patrons that they must, in fact, pay for their lunches.
Posted by: mva30 || 10/18/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#5  "I'm John Kerry and I don't approve of this message"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Canadian International Pharmacy Association (Cipa)

OK, now that I've picked myself up from the floor...in Polish, "Cipa" is slang for "Pussy" (the vagina, not the cat). Roughly pronounced as cheepa. So now you know.
Posted by: Rafael || 10/18/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#7  None of this would be the least bit important if Medicare had been given the power to negotiate prices with the drug companies. Drug co in the US spent 40%+ of their GROSS income on advertising and profit margins. Don't cry for me Argentina. They could cut profit margins, reduce direct to consumer ads for controlled substances like Ambien, reduce drug prices by 25% or more, and still make plenty of $. Not GWs finest hour.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Welcome to capitalism, Weird Al. Government manipulation (or lack thereof) aside, the price rises to what the market will bear.
Posted by: Tom || 10/18/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#9  The problem is, when you're old and sick, the market will bear just about anything. It's a captive audience. You need the drugs or you die. Not much manuvering room.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#10  To clarify: no one is suggesting govt price controls. Simply, the govt has in fact taken responsibility for the medicare drug program. Since it has done so, there should be given the right to negotiate bulk prices. If a given co doesn't like this, no one says they have to participate. Every big health insurance co in the country does the same thing. No one accuses them of being anti-capitalist.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#11  The Canadian system only works because the market is relatively small

And because US and European Big Pharma multinationals foot the bill for all the drug research that produces the drugs the canucks hack and ripoff.

Al, you don't "spend [money] on profit margins." The average drug today costs, from initial research through clinical trials and FDA approval, about $800 MILLION. Pray tell, who the f*** is supposed to pay for that? Eliminate the pharma companies' profits and you eliminate their drug discovery pipeline.
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#12  lex: their profit margin comes AFTER expenses such as research. A NEW drug costs that much to develop. However, 90% plus of all new drugs are in fact "me too" drugs developed to keep pace with expiring patents. They don't cost anywhere near that much.

Once again, the companies can do whatever they like. Like it or not the federal govt has taken responsibility for this program. Responsibility means just that.

Don't tell me about new drugs. I sit in my office all day with drug reps telling me about the "newest" piece of crap that is exactly like the slightly less "New" piece of crap that has it's patent expiring next month. It's particularly amusing when they start bad mouthing their own drug that they've just been pushing for the past 10 years. Happens all the time.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#13  Al:
The 40% is absolutely false. Only if you consider all of G&A to be "advertising" do you come close to that. Not even Arthur Anderson would believe that.

Oh, and write off the R&D against the "profit" and what do you have left? To bring a drug to market costs $700,000,000 to $1,000,000,000. A drug which doesn't make it to market can still cost a good fraction of that, and there is no product to sell to recover that. The few successes have to pay for the blind alleys.

The drug companies are not ripping us off. The various governments are ripping us off. The foreign governments pay only enough to pay for manufacturing costs & overhead, not to recoup all the hundreds of millions of R&D. Americans pay for R&D for the entire world.

I wonder what would happen if we backed our companies against the EUSSR bureaucrats who want to steal the drugs? If they had to buy them at the open market price? If, when they stole the patent and let one of their companies make them (for a hefty bribe, I'm sure), we filed suit under the WTO?
Posted by: jackal || 10/18/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#14  I didn't 40% profit. I said 40% profit + advertising. R & D is separate, and accounts for roughly 10% of gross. These co have advertising budgets and levels of sophistication that would make your hair curl. And please stop trying to make me cry over the blind alleys and drugs that don't make it. SO WHAT? Isn't that the very capitalism you're talking about? Again and again - any company that doesn't want to negotiate price doesn't have to. Virtually every private health insurance co in the counrty has negotiated prices and preferred drug lists. The drug co haven't gone broke yet.

You're missing the whole point. If you don't think the govt should be in the prescription drug business at all, just say so, and the discussion will end. Once they have taken that responsibility, they should do what every private insurer in the country does. These are after all private capitalistic insurance companies. They're in it for the $. Anyone who thinks they're in it for the patients has been smoking too many of those funny cigarettes. So shouldn't the govt do the same? Be capitalists and work to keep costs down?
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#15  If the govt buys in bulk, then they should be able to negotiate bulk pricing. Happens all the time in lots of industries whether the government is the customer or not. The government is not, however, the entity that prescribes the drugs. Therefore the pharma companies have to market to these decision-makers in the transaction pipeline in addition to negotiating with the govt buyer. Higher volume sales are more critical when the per unit price is lower if a company is to generate an adequate return (the adequacy of which is determined by the market). That means that they must be ever more aggressive in their advertising/marketing. Canada was right to do what they did. They and the Euros know that if the market was operating efficiently across borders, the price of drugs would rise there and come down here reaching a worldwide equilibrium.
Posted by: remote man || 10/18/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#16  In other words #15, if we negotiated lower prices for our people, then Canadian prices would rise in due proportion. Makes perfect sense, but why does that matter to our seniors? Or put another way, who in the US cares if Canadian prices go up? The canadians will care, but that's their problem. Capitalism at work.

The bottom line here is the essense of capitalism. The drug cos want the highest possible price for their product, and the consumer wants the best price. The consumer in this case is the federal govt, who as an entity should have been given the right to negotiate. Since the govt wan't given that right, they look like saps. Hell, they are saps.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#17  Canada deals blow?!? I don't think the narcs are going to like this, Yogi.
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#18  The drug cos want the highest possible price for their product, and the consumer wants the best price

That can't be legal? Aren't there laws to protect the poor in Broward County? We need more money, the hurricanes scared the teeth out of us. Im voting for Pat 3 times this year.
Posted by: Famous Roosevelt Gravy Train Graber || 10/18/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#19  Ummm, I'm pretty sure that the government does negotiate the price of drugs. I don't think they pay top dollar. I know that states do this. The Drug Co's have to do/price things correctly in order to be on the approved list of drugs that they will pay for. Am I missing something?
Posted by: remote man || 10/18/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#20  Nope. The medicare prescription act does not give the feds the slightest power to negotiate drug prices with the drug companies. The states all do, particularly through their medicaid acts (medicaid=children, medicare=oldsters). Just what I've been talking about. The govts, state and federal, have taken on the role of the consumer looking for the best price. The states are doing their part, the feds can't. Others seem to feel I'm anti-capitalist, but it's the other way around. The consumer should always have the opportunity to haggle. Here they don't, and it's not like a new washing machine. You can't just walk away if you need the drug.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/18/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#21  I just love my Canadian neighbors!! They will always lead me to the straight and narrow path!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#22  Simple solution often found in intellectual property licenses: a most favored nation clause. That is, the US government simply passes a law that says that in exchange for the authority to peddle their wares in the world's largest and most lucrative market, pharmaceutical manufacturers will wholesale drugs in the US at a price equivalent to the lowest price they charge anywhere on Earth. Generally I oppose all price controls but the fact is that US consumers are subsidizing socialist health care systems all over the world via the higher prices we pay for our prescription drugs. Simple fix: eliminate the subsidy.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/18/2004 23:07 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Discontent rife in US military ranks
With the US election just weeks away, some reports in the US media have provided a glimpse into the discontent among American troops in Iraq. Young soldiers, many barely out of high school, are seething with anger over being used to police the indefinite occupation of the country, against the will of both the Iraqi and the American people...
Always good for a laugh.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 10:50:33 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL the Freeking Socialist Party. Socialism is a terminal disease. Once a country catches it is down the tubes.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  I take it that "seething" is the new lefty
term for either piteous whining or packing
powder in one's belt?
Posted by: Brutus || 10/18/2004 0:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Which army are the interviewing?

Not the one I know people in, and hear from every day.

Since they are "seething", maybe they interviewed the Madhi Army.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/18/2004 0:46 Comments || Top||

#4  I think the Madhi army is mostly "whimpering" these days.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/18/2004 0:59 Comments || Top||

#5  It is a soldier's right to gripe, indeed it is a long held tradition to gripe. But when it's time to go to work you always do the right thing.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Amen Bill! I never saw a campaign or exercise where everyone was happy. Hell when we were in garrison and nothing to do we had people bitching about one thing or another.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#7  All they have to do to fix this is put beer in the Baghdad PX.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#8  World Socialist Web Site. Nice.
Guess the link to Jihad Unspun must've been busted, huh?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#9  "I'm John Kerry, and I approved this message."
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#10  Now is the winter of our discontent
made glorious summer by this son of York...
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#11  The Bear Hunt?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#12  No, wait... Look Homeward Falstaff.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 17:13 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
African Leaders Discuss Sudanese Conflict
Leaders of Egypt, Chad, Nigeria and Libya met Sunday with Sudan's president to discuss ways to resolve the humanitarian crisis in his country's western Darfur region without sanctions.
"Boy! More pate over here!"
The "mini-summit" at a Tripoli hotel began late Sunday, after the five leaders broke their daylong fast together for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and headed into a well-guarded downtown hotel in the Libyan capital.
"More eggs benedict, Olusegun?"
Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi wore a crimson African robe and a funny hat headdress along with a stunning brooch that had been his mother's as he entered the meeting, which was closed to journalists.
"We're discussing serious humanitarian issues in here. You can't come in!... Here, boy! Take this vichyssois back to the chef and tell him to warm it up. It's cold!"
One topic reportedly was a proposal that Egypt, Libya, Nigeria and Chad create a committee to mediate between the Khartoum government and the rebels in Darfur. There was no word on progress at the meeting, which was expected to last into the morning.
"Yes, by Gum! That's what we need! A committee!"
"How many people are gonna be on it, Hosni?"
"What's the shape of the table gonna be?"
"There ain't gonna be no infidels on it, are there?"
The spokesman for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said the summit was intended to prove that African leaders can solve their own problems — apparently a jab at efforts in the United Nations to force Sudan to end the fighting.
I guess there's always a first time for everything.
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:04:42 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  actually Chad seems pretty serious about this. Teh egyptians and Libyans are likely to try to protect their arab pals. Nigeria could be the swing "vote". Of course id be happier if Uganda and Rwanda were involved.

Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/18/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm not clear on Egypt's current relationship with the Sudan. It has varied in a real love / hate fest over the years. I think many educated Egyptians see the Sudan as a "lost" part of Egypt, subject to future recovery.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 10/18/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#3  as with most things these, days, nobody really redraws maps. Thats not legitimate. You exercise influence. Syria over Lebanon, forex. Egypt, maybe, over Gaza. Jordan, KSA, Iran, all trying to influence Iraq. Pakland historically trying to find proxies to run afghanistan, versus russian and iranian proxies.

My sense is that egypt has some influence over current govt in Sudan, and would like to increase it. And so they have been taking a sympathetic line to Khartoum.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/18/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  A simple nuke on the center of Khartoum would reshape the entire Middle East, and put a stop to some of the stupidest waste of human lives this world has seen since Hitler exterminated the Jews. It would piss off Egypt, scare the bejesus out of everybody else, make the leftists crap their pants, and solve a WHOLE LOT of problems. Most of the problems today is that everybody's allowed to act like a teenager, and nobody wants to play parent. As long at the juveniles get away with it, it will continue and escalate. That's the major error Carter and Clinton made, and it's time to put a stop to all of it. We need to use our most SERIOUS consequences, so that next time we propose something more reasonable, people will be quite willing to accept it. If we're to be forced into the role of world policeman, we need to do it right.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/18/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#5  OP, I still like the idea of mystery black helicopter/gunships paying nighttime visits to Janjaweed camps...
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#6  It's kinda late for lunch but early for dinner, hmmmmm, let's drink then go to dinner. But we'll use the time to plan tomorrow's lunch.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Hehe Mojo, mount a couple of strobelights on some Gunships and viola - instant UFO's.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
JON STEWART 'DAILY SHOW' IN SURPRISE AUDIENCE DROP
COMEDY CENTRAL's 'DAILY SHOW' has experienced surprise audience erosion -- despite a publicity push by host Jon Stewart. Stewart, who announced last week that he plans to support John Kerry, pulled 1,040,000 total viewers for month of September -- down 7% from August, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
snip
CNN editors were busy this weekend cleaning up a transcript from Stewart's Friday appearance on CROSSFIRE. One CNN executive called Stewart's performace "belligerent." During the live program, Stewart slammed host Tucker Carlson: "You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show." The awkward exchange came at the end of an 8 minute segment between Stewart, Carlson and co-host Paul Begala.

It gets worse from there. Drudge gives the key, ugly bits of the transcript, which should be highly amusing to those of you less than fond of the MSM. Its odd... I saw Stewart interviewed on Charlie Rose, and he was very thoughtful, articulate, even erudite. He also expressed frustration that the MSM journalists are not doing their job to root out and present the kind of background information and perspective that I come here to find.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/18/2004 1:04:26 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll never watch the Kerry-loving POS again.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/18/2004 2:32 Comments || Top||

#2  He's not a Kerry-loving POS anymouse. He actually respects American politics and is one of the few "hollywood" people voting based on their beliefs of what's best for this country.

That being said, he's voting for the wrong person.
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 2:56 Comments || Top||

#3  I agree with Charles, anymouse. Stewart may be a liberal, but he smacks down the system every show. We need more people like him, regardless of their political convictions.

A great current example is his smackdown of Crossfire. It's a great clip. What he says should be said to all the news people who pretend to perform a service to us citizens. If you haven't seen it yet, check it out:

Stewart smackdown

Uh, I guess 'Smackdown' is the title of this comment. *SLAP*
Posted by: beer_me || 10/18/2004 3:16 Comments || Top||

#4  "one of the few "hollywood" people voting based on their beliefs of what's best for this country."
Then it's funny that they keep making the same erudite, incredibly educated, and completely WRONG decision, isn't it?

If not "POS," then definitely "SFB."
And I'll stand by that.
Posted by: Asedwich || 10/18/2004 8:58 Comments || Top||

#5  I stopped watching him until the election is over. He stopped lampooning the establishment, and started shilling for Kerry a few months ago.

Once the election is over, I'll start watching again.
Posted by: RussSchultz || 10/18/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Yet another sign of our bicoastal betters' increasing desperation.

This election will not be close. The polls are even less reliable than their usual 4% +/- error rate would suggest. Consider:

--the LATimes' polls on the day before the Calif governor's race had Schwarzenegger and Bustamante in a dead heat. Arnold won by 17 points. Bustamante who? - my point exactly. -ed.

--various polls in the Florida governor's race had Jeb Bush up by 3, 5, 6 points. He won by 13 points.

This year, millions of people will vote their gut, which is not to be confused with what those same people are willing to tell their neighbors, colleagues, families, or god forbid, pollsters, in the weeks and months leading up to the election.

The gut issue is of course which candidate one trusts more to prosecute and win the war. The "gut" voters will tilt toward Bush by at least 2-to-1, and I seriously doubt that any of the polls have reflected this phenomenon.

Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||


Europe
British Moonbat Festival
Several thousands joined an anti-war rally Sunday to mark the end of the three-day European Social Forum. The thousands who turned out were a fraction of the estimated million who came out to protest Feb. 15 last year against an imminent invasion of Iraq. But given strong public reactions against a redeployment of British troops to Falluja from the relatively safe Basra that was proposed earlier this week, the anti-war rally took on a new urgency. The anti-war rally was in effect an anti-occupation rally. And it went beyond calls to end occupation to resolutions to support the Iraqi resistance against occupation... "We will not allow the resistance to be trivialised as some sort of terrorist movement," Chris Nineham from the Stop the War Coalition told IPS. "It is a popular insurrection resisting occupation..."
Do let's not trivialize "some sort of terrorist movement."
It appears to be a popular insurrection that gets its jollies blowing people up, to include little kiddies, and cutting people's heads off.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 10:38:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We will not allow the resistance to be trivialised as some sort of terrorist movement,…
Typical moonbat imperial "We" and frothery. I consider talk like this sedition. I wonder if Britain still has sedition laws? Pity if they don't.

I see they trotted out Paul Bigley's brother who is likely responsible for having engineered his brothers demise by convincing him to go to Iraq against the advice of his own government along with other hi jinks. Possibly being in contact with the kidnappers via internet by news accounts. Also present was the lovely ever frothing Mrs Rose who dishonors her sons death everytime she opens her mouth. The decrepit Tony Benn was in attendance as well luckly he didn't keel over while in full froth.

What a lovely bunch of shit heads.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 1:46 Comments || Top||

#2  The thousands who turned out were a fraction of the estimated million who came out to protest Feb. 15 last year against an imminent invasion of Iraq. But given strong public reactions against a redeployment of British troops to Falluja from the relatively safe Basra that was proposed earlier this week, the anti-war rally took on a new urgency.

To translate: Even though there are fewer and fewer of us, we are even more important than before. And while we can't stop a war, we can sure peddle an agenda to a 'journalist.'
Posted by: badanov || 10/18/2004 2:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Seemingly a meeting of the European branch of the Comintern, from the pictures I've seen. fruitcakes the lot - the Socialist Worker crowd have to have something to shout about or life gets terribly dull for them.

Pics from Aunty
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 6:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I think I heard this was a group effort organised by the Stop the War Coalition, a Muslim group, and CND. Talk about a Coalition of the Wrong. (I nicked that phrase from someone who applied it to last year's Million Moron March which consisted of the above, plus a few hundred thousand idiots (and their numerous offspring) who proudly proclaimed that they 'didn't normally pay any attention to politics or current events but just knew they had to protest against whatever it was that was happening, this time'.)
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 7:07 Comments || Top||

#5  That link didn't work for me Howard.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 7:34 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm losing my touch.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 7:50 Comments || Top||

#7  I've just noticed that there's no longer a 'British' section on RB. WTF? We've been dumped in with the garlic-eating hordes of the unwashed. Europe? Come on...
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 9:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Some Scottsman got POed about Britain. Maybe they filed it under United Kingdom?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#9  Howard, I just looked and there is still a File Under: Britain. Perhaps it is being blocked by MI5.

As to these moonbats, the nice thing about living in the US is that you can admire the British penchant for eccentricity from a distance. Sort of like how eating Harris Ranch steak in San Francisco is so much more enjoyable than eating it at the Harris Ranch feedlot.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#10  Phew - must be the poster's (Anonymoose) Europhile tendencies coming into play. MrsD - I've heard SF is a hotbed of eccentricity too... at least was. There's nowt wrong with a dose of British eccentricity - these people are largely drug addled sheep out on a spree.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 9:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Thanks, Howard. That went right over my head.

You are correct about the Bay Area. I suspect a very high proportion of these people hail from there.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 9:37 Comments || Top||

#12  LOL! Just fell off my chair!
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/18/2004 9:42 Comments || Top||

#13  spleenville.com my, my, all I can say is my, my. Mrs D those folks look very "normal" mostly. Howard is trying to tell you some of the Moonbats he is refering to are not so normal looking.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#14  No fair, Mrs. D, I just about pissed my pants. I especially liked the parodies at the end: "Don't make me ask twice, m*therf*ckers!"
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#15  Funny thing Mrs. D is that these yahoos actually believe that they are mainstream. No matter that they put in notices in half the states paper for a rally and barely 10K show up (out of a population of 35 MILLION). Are you sure these aren’t pictures from the DNC convention? Some of the LLL glazed-over faces look familiar.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#16  Were these the so-called human shields that were supposed to go to Iraq before the war? There's still time. Let them go to Fallujah with their signs.
Posted by: Rafael || 10/18/2004 19:04 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Palestinian: U.S. Election Stalling Peace
"Yeah! If youse wudn't havin' an election, things'd be all peaceful here by now!"
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:03:25 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Peace efforts have been hobbled during four years of fighting between Israelis and Palestinians.

Yeah, gotta be the fuckin election...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath said Monday that the U.S. presidential election was stalling the Middle East peace process..

Uhhh, no.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, lots of stuff around the world is "on hold" until November 3, or whenever the lawyers get done...
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||

#4  The Bushehr reactor raid by the Israelis will be on hold until after November 3, Seafarious. Even if the lawyers have their LegalFest over it, the Israelis can commence Operation JayDamn.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||

#5  I just like the idea of all the dictators around the world sitting around fidgeting until DEMOCRACY happens. They literally can't make any plans (or specifically, choose which of their nefarious plots they will enact) until the next four years of American leadership is decided. Squirm, dictators!
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/18/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Peace "warrior"
Snipped from the Chicago Tribune Magazine (yes the same paper that endorsed Pres. Bush)
For the last 25 years, the 51-year-old Kathy Kelly has been nowhere near the sidelines. She has been willing to go anywhere in the world-Bosnia, Haiti, the West Bank-to do whatever she can to help victims of violence and demonstrate for peace. As long as the activity is non-violent, she has been willing to be arrested again and again. She has been willing to go to jail again and again. She has even been willing to die. Just before the start of the war in Iraq last year, while most foreign diplomats and journalists heeded President Bush's warning to leave Baghdad within 48 hours, Kelly stayed behind in a small hotel near the banks of the Tigris River. "I was determined not to let the bombs have the last word," she says. Her defiance of the sanctions has prompted questions about whose side she is on. She has been criticized, even by some in the peace movement, for not being nearly as tough on former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his brutal dictatorship as she has been on sanctions and other measures to curb his power.
Kelly once referred to the sanctions as "Weapons of Mass Destruction." She is a professional twit.
Kelly's view of the sanctions is that the UN they have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. As for Hussein, she despised his murderous regime but not as much as Bush says that being openly critical of him would have meant expulsion from Iraq and the end of her mission. "It was a tightrope to walk," she admits. "If we did a demonstration in Iraq, we'd get booted right out of there."
"So we held demonstrations against civilized countries and then went to Iraq."
In the late 1980s, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, scores of nuclear weapons sat in silos beneath the Missouri prairie. For a year, Kelly and dozens of other people across the Midwest-college students and nuns, poets and housewives-made plans for a non-violent invasion of the missile sites. The plan was to plant corn and flowers around the missiles, to "sow seeds of life," and they called their project the Missouri Peace Planting. Kelly, who grew up on the Southwest Side, didn't know a thing about farming; a friend in Ohio had to show her what to do...
I have to ask: what has she actually accomplished? Did she end the cold war? Did she eliminate Saddam and free Iraqis? Seems to me like a lot of empty gestures.
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 10:29:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Spot, people, like her won’t ever admit they were wrong. Be it missiles, PLO violence, or Iraq they can’t fault the bad guys. And make no mistake they are on the side of the bad guys. Just ask someone like this how many ‘anti-war’ rallies were held against Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait and you’ll get a really twisted answer. Ask them how many ‘elections’ have been held in all the Arab countries over the past 10 years. And of them how many had UN monitors?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/18/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#2  ...to do whatever she can to help victims of violence and demonstrate for peace...

As for Hussein, she despised his murderous regime but says that being openly critical of him would have meant expulsion from Iraq and the end of her mission.

Yeah. "Whatever"...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#3  These people are on the side of the bad guys or they are useful idiots. Results are the same.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#4  how does she support herself? grants from Terayza's Tides Foundation? Soros's loonies?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm sure Saddam was willing to give her a small allowance.

Like someone said - a usefull idiot.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Be it missiles, PLO violence, or Iraq they can’t fault the bad guys.

That's because the bad guys have a habit of killing people who defy them. Opposing the US allows them to play hero and martyr without the risk of injury.
Posted by: BH || 10/18/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#7  As for Hussein, she despised his murderous regime but says that being openly critical of him would have meant expulsion from Iraq and the end of her mission.

It's the CNN defense.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/18/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm imagining an infomercial here . . .

"You, too, can have a rewarding career as a professional moonbat. Travel the world, meet terrorists and dictators, . . . "
Posted by: Mike || 10/18/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm imagining an infomercial here . . . "You, too, can have a rewarding career as a professional moonbat. Travel the world, meet terrorists and dictators, . . . "

"…suffer lethal head trauma when a chuck of debris falls off the bulldozer you're trying to block…"
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 10/18/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#10  what a fucking twit! She doesn't even know how to plant corn and sunflowers?

I was raised in the city. My dad had to drive us to another city to see cows at dairy farms that have long (20+ years) since been overtaken by housing developments. Even I know how to plant sunflowers and corn. How hard is that?

What a fucking twit!
Posted by: goolkjdk0tlkj; || 10/18/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#11  The main reason I posted this was that when I read the article I kept thinking to myself: if you truly believe your values, why not do something useful? Leftists spend all their time making "gestures' (such as "helping" American Indians by changing the nicknames of school sports teams). If this woman really wanted to help the Iraqi children, why didn't she make sure the Oil-for-Food program was running properly? But no, it was the sanctions fault.
Grrr, do something useful or STFU!
Posted by: Spot || 10/18/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#12  Perhaps she thinks planting corn and sunflowers is best left for illegal immigrants at slavery wages....

Her 'holy mission' is to important to actually constribute anything to the general welfare of her victims....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/18/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#13  The important thing to remember about people like this, is despite what they say, what they do is for their own personal benefit, and to hell with everybody else. Their self-pity is astronomical, and they wish to project it outward on someone or something else. Compare them with those who have Munchausen Syndrome--usually mothers who injure their own children, craving attention from doctors, and to be able to fret a lot over their poor, injured child.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/18/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#14  I have no problem with people being anti-war as long as they are consistent about it (who in their right mind wants war as the first option anyway). If you are against war be against all war. Be against Milosovich killing Bosnian Muslims, be against Muslims in Sudan killing Animists and non arab Muslims, be against the civil wars in Africa, be against the butchering of Christians in East Timor. But we can't expect that because those aren't operations being conducted by the evil Western Nations (read the USA and/or surrogates). If the anti-war protesters in Feb. 2003 had any real solidarity with the people of Iraq they would of been protesting against the butcher Saddam.
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/18/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||

#15  You have to wonder where she gets the funding for her full-time "peacenik" job.
Posted by: ex-lib || 10/18/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#16  Kelly’s view of the sanctions is that they have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. As for Hussein, she despised his murderous regime but says that being openly critical of him would have meant expulsion from Iraq and the end of her mission. "It was a tightrope to walk," she admits. "If we did a demonstration in Iraq, we’d get booted right out of there."

This is known as "Eason Jordan Syndrome".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||

#17  I think I met her about 10 years ago. No kidding.

It was in Chicago and although she was nice (and could've even been pretty if she'd used a bit of make up), there was something about her that made me think she wasn't even in the room as she was talking.

I think she is a little "pixle-ated" and I believe she gets funds through fundraisers at benefits, etc., run by hippies, anarchists, & the like. She's with some quasi-Catholic, crypto-socialist group called "Voices in the Wilderness".
Posted by: JDB || 10/18/2004 22:22 Comments || Top||


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Whitey's Egg Business
Whitey was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers called pullets and eight or ten roosters, whose job was to fertilize the eggs. Whitey kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of Whitey's time so Whitey got a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so Whitey could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report simply by listening to the bells. Whitey's favorite rooster was old Brewster, a very fine specimen he was too. But on this particular morning Whitey noticed old Brewster's bell hadn't rung at all!

Whitey went to investigate. The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. BUT, to Whitey's amazement, Brewster had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. Whitey was so proud of Brewster, he entered him in the county fair... and Brewster became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result...
The judges not only awarded Brewster the "No Bell Piece Prize" but they also awarded him the "Pulletsurprise" as well.

Conclusion...
Clearly Brewster was a Democrat. Who else could figure out how to win two of the most politically biased awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them.
Posted by: raptor || 10/18/2004 10:23:35 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This needs a drink warning...
Posted by: Ptah || 10/18/2004 11:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Brewster Buffalo Wings: Get a little taste of the Clinton Legacy every time.
Posted by: Charles || 10/18/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||


Europe
2 Macedonian Hostages Said Killed in Iraq
Posted by: Fred || 10/18/2004 1:02:21 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought we couldn't say Macedonian because it would set off the powder puff of Europe.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Aris doesn't come here any more.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/18/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Oil Rises to Record Above $55 on U.S. Winter Supply Concern
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 01:06 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  *&^%%$\ Saudi Arabia

fuel cells, baby, fuel cells.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 12:24 Comments || Top||

#2  nuclear power, baby
Posted by: lex || 10/18/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Crude oil futures rose to a record in New York for a third day on speculation U.S. demand for heating oil will keep inventories below average.

How about a requirement that oil traders not have an IQ above the teens? Less intelligence, less speculation.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Kerry tells supporters to vote 'globally'
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 00:59 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It seems the only real issue Mr. Kerry still has an edge over the President on is health care. The economy is doing well and most people don't give a rat's patoot what the rest of the world thinks so his "alliance" talk is going nowhere. Even the Democrats I know her are all talking on the single issue of healthcare and were genuinely appalled at Mr. Kerry's bringing up of Mary Cheny. They all thought it a cheap trick to get the homosexual vote. Most of them don't think Kerry will win and are planning for 4 years from now.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/18/2004 7:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Globally my ass. That is what Sorros wants a global influence for himself. He is hoping he can buy the influence of a Kerry Presidency. What is with that Sorros guy? That is where all this "globally" crap is coming from. It's been a Kerry meme but it's Gorge Sorros pulling the puppet strings.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/18/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#3  typically, Kerry takes the healthcare argument too far - blaming Bush for the contaminated flu vaccine
Posted by: Frank G || 10/18/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#4  OK I vote for Jefferson Davis then.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/18/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Will there be a test?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/18/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#6  The Bush campaign has an advertisment out about the Kerry health plan that is very effective. Shows multiple bureaucracies like IRS on the Kerry plan involved in the decision making process of how health care is administered. Ends with the Dr. having little say in the process.

I personally thought it was very effective in highlighting that Kerry's plan will allow lazy and inefficient bureaucrats to be calling the shots.
Posted by: 2b || 10/18/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Muslim force nixed by White House
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/18/2004 00:36 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thank goodness someone upthere has some sense!
Posted by: smn || 10/18/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  The UN forces don't need to be organized. They do not need to be there. The UN represents graft, thievery, death and destruction to the Iraqi people. The Iraqi forces need to be continued to be organized and to grow in size and ability. THAT is the bottom line.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Paraphrasing: "F*%k NO!"
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks & Islam
Zarqawi: the new bin Laden
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 00:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  New! Improved! Even crazier and more ruthless!
Posted by: mojo || 10/18/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Let's see if he's got the imagination or the brains to pull off another 9/11. I think not. He's a Jordanian throat-slitting punk living on borrowed time.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 4:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Zarqawi is a palestinian with Jordanian citizenship. Beware the MSM's agenda.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/18/2004 7:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Zarqawi is a TCP (Throat Cutting Paleostinian)? Damn, learn something new every day......
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/18/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#5  Zarqawi: the new bin Laden

And he'll suffer bin Laden's fate also. At some point, he's gonna buy the farm, and it's not going to be via reaching retirement age.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/18/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#6  Zarqawi is a palestinian with Jordanian citizenship.

I thought the Zarq was from a small Jordanian town on the Jordan/Palestine border. Do you mean he was originally Palestinian? A Palestinian refugee (is there any other sort?)?
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 18:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Zarqawi is a palestinian with Jordanian citizenship.

The article says he is a member of Jordan's Beni Hassan tribe, which gave him an advantage over his Palestinian religious leader.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/18/2004 19:16 Comments || Top||

#8  Well, if you will actually read the article... ;)
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/18/2004 19:40 Comments || Top||

#9  I don't know, could be the new bin Laden, but it reminds me of the old Nidal.

The fins prehaps?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/18/2004 20:03 Comments || Top||



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