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2006-08-10 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Bringing a sword to a gunfight works for once

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Posted by Anonymoose 2006-08-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 suspects identified as Hossem Chalbi, 18, and Mohammed Khalil, 29

'Honor' killing gone bad?

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-08-10 00:42|| 2006-08-10 00:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Since the perps' name wasn't 'Tanaka' my guess is that the weapon was a scimitar not a samurai sword.

Posted by GK 2006-08-10 01:30|| 2006-08-10 01:30|| Front Page Top

#3 IIRC, research by the US police found that a 21 feet gap was necessary for an officer to safely draw his firearm and fire when faced by an opponent with a knife, and this even had been increased.
Less than that, the knifer has a real chance to stab the officer before he can get his weapon out and shoot with effect; of course, the average knife-wielding perp is probably less skilled than the filipino martial artist who helped create the famous "surviving edged weapons" (???) police instructional videotape, but edged/stabbing contact weapons are not to be taken lightly.
In that same ressource material, IIRC, FBI stats are that 5% of people shot with handguns in the USA die from their wounds, against 15% for the ones stabbed, a mortality statistically equal to assault rifles (while serving as a military surgeon there, Martin Fackler estimated mortality rate from ak47 wounds in Viet Nam to 14%).

These two muslim (like in France, yeah, feels like known territory) hoodlums found that out painfully, lol.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-08-10 02:07|| 2006-08-10 02:07|| Front Page Top

#4 The story seems to be a bit convoluted. What is clear the perps are Hossem and Mohamed.

I can imagine it went like this:

Two perps with a gun knock on the door. Once one of the appartment residents opens the door, they rush in.

"Give me the casssssh", says Mohammed, pointing the gun at both residents. Meanwhile, Hossem sees the sword and takes it from the wall. "Looky what we have here, Mohammed", says Hossam.

"Don't touch it!", yells one of the vistims and and he and his room mate try to wrestle the sword from Hossam. They got stabbed in the tussle, but finally the sword owner gets a hold of the sword.

"What does shari'a law says about thieves, you muslums?" utters the sword owner and with a quick action of 4 swooshes, he dis-diggits Mohammed and then Hossem.

Posted by zazz 2006-08-10 02:37|| 2006-08-10 02:37|| Front Page Top

#5 It's Minneapolis people. Muzzies meet Keepers of the Hidden Ways.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-10 04:04|| 2006-08-10 04:04|| Front Page Top

#6 And these poor kids were just looking for directions to the University of Montana in Missoula.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 07:42|| 2006-08-10 07:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Having thought about this a bit, I am guessing that somebody tried to grab the sword blade. On a good quality blade, just the weight of the sword itself is enough to cut into the skin of your hands.

N.B.: I knew a swordmaker who asserted that today they can make samurai swords better, as they can do electron microscopy analysis that shows the classical swordmakers over-folded their steel just a bit.

The absolutely sharpest commercially available today are ceramic blades, which are only made into cooking knives, as they are very brittle.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-08-10 10:10|| 2006-08-10 10:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Cool -- glass swords!

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-08-10 10:38|| 2006-08-10 10:38|| Front Page Top

#9 We had a demo of what a trained knife wielder could do in my defensive handguns class. 21 ft---A good knife man could have you bled out like Jack the Pig before you get your weapon out and firing.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2006-08-10 12:35|| 2006-08-10 12:35|| Front Page Top

#10 #7: "The absolutely sharpest commercially available today are ceramic blades, which are only made into cooking knives, as they are very brittle."

They're also made into scalpels, 'moose.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 12:40|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-08-10 12:40|| Front Page Top

#11 Correct me if I'm wrong here but wouldn't a 2 foot blade be the Samurai companion blade, the one usually used for abdominal piercing?

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 12:42|| 2006-08-10 12:42|| Front Page Top

#12 My veggie peeler is ceramic, and boy is it smoooth.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-08-10 12:50|| 2006-08-10 12:50|| Front Page Top

#13 How come I'ma having visions of Mo and his companion busting in on 2 guys who grew up in the 80's currently watching the Bruce Lee marathon on Spike? Talk about your bad luck of the draw (on which apartment they decide to raid). Of course, I also find it odd they don't mention names of the 2 "victims." Guess we don't wanna incite any revenge tactics against the muzzies, do we? Also, thanks for the stats A5089. Kinda dispells the whole "gun control" argument, doesn't it? Guess we gotta ban knives/swords first.

Posted by BA 2006-08-10 13:54|| 2006-08-10 13:54|| Front Page Top

#14 FBI stats are that 5% of people shot with handguns in the USA die from their wounds, against 15% for the ones stabbed,

Reminds me of the old adage, run from a knife, charge a gun.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 14:38|| 2006-08-10 14:38|| Front Page Top

#15 no no, that's:
Bring a knife to a fistfight
Bring a sword to a knife fight
Bring a gun to a sword fight
and stay the Hell out of a gun fight!

Posted by Querent 2006-08-10 15:13|| 2006-08-10 15:13|| Front Page Top

#16 The assumption of my quote is that you are unarmed and away from cover. You can outrun a knife but as far as I know only Clark Kent can outrun the bullet.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 17:08|| 2006-08-10 17:08|| Front Page Top

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