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2006-08-10 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Prelude to War (2006 = 1941)

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Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Thanks for moving this to the correct category, Fred - got caught up in pasting the story & forgot. Until just after I'd hit the "Post" button.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 00:01|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2006-08-10 00:01|| Front Page Top

#2 But at least I included the link! ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 00:02|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2006-08-10 00:02|| Front Page Top

#3 We noticed ;-)

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-08-10 00:20|| 2006-08-10 00:20|| Front Page Top

#4 MARY MATALIN > the Dems as taken over by [post-Lieberman] MOVEON.org and the FAR/RADICAL LEFT only plan is to run away from everything. We can prob add "Iff we pretend or delude we are = are not, it is". Maybe after a few Amer Hiroshimas, or the Motherly Commie Airborne Peacekeeping = Occupation Army starts rafting across the Colorado River-Mississippi towards Washington DC, the future CPUSA-Amerikan Politburo-United Socialist Republics "MIGHT" DECIDE, "MAYBE",
"COULD" DECIDE TO FIGHT. They swear, they tell ya, LIFE WILL BE BETTER, OR AT LEAST UNCHANGED, ONCE 200 MILYUHN OR MORE DESPICABLE NAZI = WELL-MEANING BUT INCORRECT LIMITED COMMUNIST-STALINIST-TOTALITARIAN, AMERICANS = AMERIKANS ARE PUT TO DEATH, POLITELY-VOLUNTARILY = FORCIBLY-NECESSARY.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-08-10 02:22|| 2006-08-10 02:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Pre-emption is central to US Military Strategy. There is no scenario in which Iran is not attacked in some form. The US played "doble cara" - military-diplomacy - with success in the Central America conflict. History repeats.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-10 05:38|| 2006-08-10 05:38|| Front Page Top

#6 At least so far - though the MSM bitched about the end of WW II as well.

Well, not in 1945 it didn't. And it didn't for the 50s and most of the 60s till late in the decade when the radical left started to indoctrinate 'hate America' in the universities and their 'true believers' infiltrated MSM.

As amply demonstrated by the nut case leading Iran today, someone is going to do something stupid. All restraints will be removed and the problem solved. We'll get around to agonizing about it twenty years later in a more civil world. Hopefully, by then well treat the guilt salesmen with the contempt they deserve.

Posted by Tholunter Ulonter6878 2006-08-10 09:45|| 2006-08-10 09:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Diplomatically, the decks will be cleared for the US if the Iranians commit a major act of war first. No other nation, by Cold War rules, can even object if they launch a nuclear missile in an aggressive manner at us.

But the US and perhaps Israel, are the only two countries that plan far enough ahead so that they don't *have* to respond with nukes themselves. This is done by setting up the resources to shoot down any nuclear capable missile or missiles that Iran can launch, with layered defense, for extra security.

Ideally, the Iranians will attack first, but in such an ineffective manner that they will be our bitch, as it were. Then we will have carte blanche to respond as we see fit.

And boy, howdy. Will we.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-08-10 10:02|| 2006-08-10 10:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Will August 22, 2006 = December 7, 1941? The Muslims love their mumerology. And that date is significant.

Posted by TomAnon 2006-08-10 10:30|| 2006-08-10 10:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Unless the Iranians decide to play an apocalyptic version of Suicide By Cop as we discussed yesterday, there is no reason for them to attack anyone directly when they can operate through proxies like Hezbollah and transnational terrorism. That way, when a container ship blows up in the Houston Ship Channel, everyone can make big innocent eyes while simultaneously gloating and denying any involvement.

Posted by SteveS 2006-08-10 10:31|| 2006-08-10 10:31|| Front Page Top

#10 TU6878, Were you unaware that U. S. Newspapers told the Japanese that they were setting their torpedoes too deep or that we were reading their secret codes? The MSM has not changed, only our remembrance of it. This book should give you a start on why nothing you will ever read about a war in real time may be relied upon.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 10:37|| 2006-08-10 10:37|| Front Page Top

#11 #6 TU6878 - You must not have seen the scans of the NYT et al. in the years immediately after WW II with their headlines about how we were "losing the peace."

I think they've always been a bunch of anti-American tools - they just used to hide it better. Nowaways, they don't even bother to try to hide it.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la meme chose. :-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 12:22|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-08-10 12:22|| Front Page Top

#12 In WWII, the press supported the US forces because the American forces were fighting the Nazis and were allied with Stalin. When we started fighting the Communists in Korea, the bring the boys home drumbeat started.

Posted by RWV 2006-08-10 14:33|| 2006-08-10 14:33|| Front Page Top

#13 Does the MSM really want to write what the islamofacists tell them to write after the prophesized takeover (according to the Koran)? Do they want to be a mouthpiece for Al Jazeera? Just think...the precious freedom of the first amendment will no longer be available for protection. The Bill of Rights and constitution will no longer be available in the scheme of the islamofacists. There will be no forum for the arrogance of the MSM. I saw Marvin (?) Kalb, Harvard professor defending the rights of the press to write a story that was a spin article. A young 22 year-old soldier who had fought in Iraq and as a result lost a limb was interviewed (if you can really call it that) by the Boston Globe. The Boston Globe did a hatchet job on him. Kalb defended the reporter and had little to say in defense of the soldier who had been set up. Basically, the writer injected his or her opinions in the article so it made this young man appear to be against the war which he was not. The story became about the reporter and his or her opinions and not the reporting of this fine soldier's experiences and opinions based on his experiences. The press is a very perverse--somewhere close to child molestation in the hierarchy of ethical behavior. What the hell crap are they getting pumped into their skulls in the journalism schools. The MSM is an arrogant bunch of elitest that try to become the story rather than just report the story. They think they should tell the rest of us what to do, think, and feel. Is there no objective reporting anymore. Do they really want to see the U.S. and the Western democracies fail? They are a party to this and are complicit. That makes them traitors in my book. Look at the pro-Hezzballah stance the MSM takes. What as*holes.

Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-10 16:42|| 2006-08-10 16:42|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm with Mouse on this. Though I have to add, I think at some point it is really going to come to all or nothing solution.

The major mistake on the enemy part being they don't believe we will do it. When pushed, we will do it. Period.

Here's were TU6878's got a point. After said and done, after we really go unrestrained, will the repeat guilt (lefty, PC, BS) cycle etc go on?

Or will we remember why and get on with things.

Posted by bombay">bombay 2006-08-10 21:36|| 2006-08-10 21:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Seems to me to be a generational memory flaw in humans.

As soon as those who experienced the true close calls of history, who beat back the [insert foe here], are too old to be heard and seen for the examples they are by the children and young adults, the memory and meaning of the evils they faced and the means that had to be employed to defeat them vanish from the memory pool.

Then. We. Repeat.

Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 21:51|| 2006-08-10 21:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Our schools no longer teach history to save our lives.

Posted by ed 2006-08-10 22:12|| 2006-08-10 22:12|| Front Page Top

#17 A good point Flyover, and one I've posted about (at the TCP).

I wonder, do things improve as our lifespans increase? Or do gaps form with older and younger that become increasingly wide? Will a point come when it is not just one generation removed but two? Hmmm, interesting topics.

Posted by bombay">bombay 2006-08-10 22:27|| 2006-08-10 22:27|| Front Page Top

#18 The Band of Brothers "marathon" is about to continue on the History Channel - at which point I go AWOL, heh. This is the sort of honest re-telling, with the brave souls who survived to provide commentary and guidance, which could help. If the education system wasn't thoroughly infiltrated by the losers, perhaps this would be included in the curriculum.

I think we have socially isolated our older, wiser, generations to the point that they have minimal, if any, impact on the young in many (most?) of our households. I sat at my grandfather's feet and watched him like a hawk. He embodied all of the good traits. It was scary - only those nasty damned cigars marred his record, otherwise he was almost a perfect role model. I guess I was lucky to have grown up then, when 3 generations (at least) were commonly or frequently present.

I'm no sociologist - just an observer. I leave to those with the tools and training to analyze.

Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 22:42|| 2006-08-10 22:42|| Front Page Top

#19 #18: "I'm no sociologist"

To your eternal credit, fly.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-08-10 22:55|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2006-08-10 22:55|| Front Page Top

#20 My 10-year old is watching the BoB marathon. His grandfather was at St. Vith during the Ardennes offensive, and I've told him that the Bastogne episodes are a pretty good representation of what his grandfather saw.

Posted by Mike 2006-08-10 23:51|| 2006-08-10 23:51|| Front Page Top

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