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2006-08-11 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

State Department seeks to delay supply of M-26 artillery rockets to Israel

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Posted by Anonymoose 2006-08-11 10:19|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Once again, the State Department maintains a spotless record of fucking shit up for our allies and emboldening our enemies. Thanks guys!

Posted by DarthVader 2006-08-11 11:11|| 2006-08-11 11:11|| Front Page Top

#2 State Department and CIA: cesspools of Clinton-appointed and hired worms.

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-08-11 11:23|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-08-11 11:23|| Front Page Top

#3 I doubt the military benefit outweighs the PR cost. I'd have to agree with State based on the limited information here. State itseld is like a slow clock. it can be correct.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-11 11:55|| 2006-08-11 11:55|| Front Page Top

#4 I'd have to agree with State based on the limited information here. State itseld is like a slow clock. it can be correct.

A 1 in 1,440 probability.

I hope Bush ignores them and sends those M-26's out today.

Posted by Evil Elvis 2006-08-11 12:06|| 2006-08-11 12:06|| Front Page Top

#5 The military benefit is obvious. Suppress the AT fire and kill the gunners. Israel (and the USA) need to decide whether or not we want to win and destroy Hisbullah - or not. If IDF uses the the weapons, the world will hate us. If IDF doesn't use the weapons, the world will hate us. The down-side is? Looks like zero PR cost to me.

I believe the DoS is working for the other side. I am disappointed that Condi did not clean house. As far as I'm concerned, burn Langley and Foggy Bottom to the ground and start over.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-11 12:07|| 2006-08-11 12:07|| Front Page Top

#6 This story sounds fishy. Israel already has the MLRS and cluster bomb rockets were it's main armament. It makes little sense that the US would have provided only the unitary warhead since it would have been less useful than artillery w/o the GPS guidance kit (new).

Posted by ed 2006-08-11 12:11|| 2006-08-11 12:11|| Front Page Top

#7 NS: I doubt the military benefit outweighs the PR cost.

The military benefit is that less Israelis get killed. The PR cost is that Arabs, who claim that Israelis are using chemical weapons against the Lebanese, will now add cluster bombs to their list. I really don't see much downside - from the Israeli viewpoint.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-08-11 12:19|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-08-11 12:19|| Front Page Top

#8 "some State Department officials"

And therein lies the problem.

Posted by mcsegeeek1 2006-08-11 12:24|| 2006-08-11 12:24|| Front Page Top

#9 Phuech the piano music. If Richard Armitage were Secretary of State you'd find him down at Tobyhanna Army Depot with his sleeves rolled up and a good sweat on, assisting the load masters palletize M-26 crates.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-11 12:31|| 2006-08-11 12:31|| Front Page Top

#10 I believe the DoS is working for the other side.

SR-71, Im confusedwhos the other side?

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-11 12:37|| 2006-08-11 12:37|| Front Page Top

#11 Ok can we just like throw State Dept. into the ocean and start over.

Posted by djohn66 2006-08-11 13:44|| 2006-08-11 13:44|| Front Page Top

#12 Israel is fighting our enemy currently. I believe that the DoS is working for our enemies: Tranzi Progs, Socialists, the Phrench, The Soodies, the BDS Dhimmiecrats. . .

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-11 14:02|| 2006-08-11 14:02|| Front Page Top

#13 The State Department need a cleaning from top to bottom. We all know this. We are in a war we need to arm our sometimes allies with the weapons they need to win. The State Department is not helping us fight the war in a fashion that assures victory for US or our sometimes allies.

Find the cabal responsible for this and fire, demote or harass them until they quit.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-08-11 14:56|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-08-11 14:56|| Front Page Top

#14 Too soft SoP. Skin them and nail their hide above the entrance to the DoS as a warning to others.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-08-11 15:03|| 2006-08-11 15:03|| Front Page Top

#15 One week Rice and Bolton are the next best thing to sliced bread and happy-hour and the next week they are subversive elements that deserve nothing less then a tortuous death. And todays reason is because the US is reluctant to give (not sell) Israel cluster munitions in a conflict that involves guerilla warfare in civilian population centers. Damn, this is a tough crowd.

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-11 16:00|| 2006-08-11 16:00|| Front Page Top

#16 This crowd believes in fighting to win, DepotGuy, especially when fighting Iran's puppets.

Posted by Darrell 2006-08-11 16:06|| 2006-08-11 16:06|| Front Page Top

#17 Bolton and Condi serve at the pleasure of the President. They follow orders. Many of the rest of the DoS apparatchiks do not.

And todays reason is because the US is reluctant to give (not sell) Israel cluster munitions in a conflict that involves guerilla warfare in civilian population centers. Damn, this is a tough crowd.

"civilian" is a relative term. Hisbullah is not uniformed and could be called civilian. I doubt that many of the "civilians" south of the Litani are innocent. Human shield tactics will end up killing us all.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-11 16:22|| 2006-08-11 16:22|| Front Page Top

#18 STATE can delay anything they want. As long as the missiles get there by the time Netanyahu is in charge. They are unlikely to be used until he is in charge anyway. Olmert is history. My take is that the US did not want to get out in front Israel in protecting Israel.

I await part 2 of this fighting, when Israel has a real leader again.

Posted by Javinter Whaving3257 2006-08-11 19:33|| 2006-08-11 19:33|| Front Page Top

#19 D: And todays reason is because the US is reluctant to give (not sell) Israel cluster munitions in a conflict that involves guerilla warfare in civilian population centers.

The US is selling these munitions to the Israelis. They have a fixed amount of military aid alloted to them, and they can buy whatever they want with it. Western Europe never "bought" the munitions or the 400,000 lives we expended rescuing them from a choice between Nazi or Soviet domination, but that's what that war cost us. Note that we've never had to come directly to Israel's defense, unlike in Western Europe, where we lost another 100,000 men in WWI.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-08-11 20:58|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-08-11 20:58|| Front Page Top

#20 D: And todays reason is because the US is reluctant to give (not sell) Israel cluster munitions in a conflict that involves guerilla warfare in civilian population centers.

I think you've also got to realize that a guerrilla force that uses civilians as human shields is a legitimate military target for cluster bombs, especially after the civilians have been told ahead of time to clear out of the regions in which fighting is about to happen. This is pretty standard issue - the lives of military men are worth no less than the lives of civilians.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-08-11 21:12|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-08-11 21:12|| Front Page Top

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