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2003-12-02 Europe

~~The UN plays hardall:~~ Bosnian Serb gets 27 years for massacre

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Posted by Dragon Fly 2003-12-02 10:44:46 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Funny how a couple of years can change you. I'm seriously reconsidering whether it was a good thing for US to interfere in Bosnia.

Posted by BH 2003-12-2 10:53:40 AM|| 2003-12-2 10:53:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 And we are still there WHY????

I thought the EUs were so into their own security/military.

How many troops do we have there?

Posted by SamIII 2003-12-2 11:17:11 AM|| [www.samlindsey.com] 2003-12-2 11:17:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "27 years for killing 8K people. Oooo, there really getting tough now. "

Well, given how several people here want to give Putin a medal for killing atleast five times as many in Chechenya...

"I thought the EUs were so into their own security/military"

Bosnia isn't part of the EU.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-2 12:21:01 PM|| 2003-12-2 12:21:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Bosnia isn't part of the EU.

It's not part of NATO, either. But who dealt with the problem?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-12-2 12:38:44 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-12-2 12:38:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 The Eeeewwww sure debated it to death as if it was their problem. They just didn't DO dick about it except talk... and talk... and talk... oh, I left out all the hand-wringing and anguished speeches... and then some more talk... It was truly an impressive ~~effort~~ performance.

Posted by .com 2003-12-2 12:55:00 PM|| 2003-12-2 12:55:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 "But who dealt with the problem?"

Since EU currently has no military capability or authority, in what way would you have wanted it to deal with the problem? By mocking the Serbs most severely?

You people can't have it both ways. You can't *both* condemn the EU for not having a defense capacity and at the same time attack them as "betraying NATO" (or whatever) when they enter deliberations to create one.

"They just didn't DO dick about it except talk"

No EU army, no authority in the treaties for military initiatives on the EU level = no capability of any military action.

I'm in favour of an EU army. Are you?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-2 1:07:59 PM|| 2003-12-2 1:07:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes - we can have it both ways. You've been free-riding for 50 years. You wasted the savings on becoming backward socialist economic deadweight. Want an Eeewww Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and SpecOps? Sure, go for it. The free ride is over anyway. We have no need of voyeur-critics. Those who are our true allies will be there when the heat's on, as they know we would be for them. The rest of Eeewww? Hey, knock yourselves out. Just don't call us - we'll decide where and when and for whom we fight.

Posted by .com 2003-12-2 1:29:42 PM|| 2003-12-2 1:29:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 You people can't have it both ways. You can't *both* condemn the EU for not having a defense capacity and at the same time attack them as "betraying NATO" (or whatever) when they enter deliberations to create one.

And yet Europe demands to have it both ways, itself: dependence on a militarily strong United States while simultaneously lecturing the US about our "warlike ways".

And, Aris, it's quite possible for Europe to strengthen its military without leaving NATO or creating a competing military structure. Oddly, the US has been doing just that for decades; strengthening our military while staying inside NATO.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-12-2 2:00:50 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-12-2 2:00:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "Want an Eeewww Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and SpecOps? Sure, go for it. "

First of all stop sounding like a kindergarten bully, with mockery of names rather than arguments. You sound like the people like the people who constantly used "Sodamn" rather than Saddam. Once is cute, then it becomes tiresome.

Secondly, you missed my point. To repeat myself more clearly: *Did* you want the EU to do something about it, or didn't you? If the former then you must have wanted the EU to take on military responsibilities, there's no sidestepping the issue here. And not just that, but you must also want the idea of the national veto on EU decisions to be abandoned.

So choose. What is it? Do you want the EU to have the authority and power to intervene if a similar event occured or don't you?

"we'll decide where and when and for whom we fight"

*nods* Just like you always did.

"And, Aris, it's quite possible for Europe to strengthen its military without leaving NATO or creating a competing military structure. "

Strengthen its military? Yes, ofcourse. But I thought we were discussing about EU making decisions of a military nature?

Or are you people still having trouble distinguishing between individual European countries and decisions taken on the EU level?

If so, then you are morons.

.com> "And yet Europe demands to have it both ways, itself: dependence on a militarily strong United States while simultaneously lecturing the US about our 'warlike ways'. "

I don't remember the EU lecturing the US about your warlike ways. Perhaps you are again thinking about individual countries.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-2 7:23:22 PM|| 2003-12-2 7:23:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 What was preventing the individual "nations", which the EU is comprised of, from going into Bosnia alone or in concert with one another?

Posted by LeftEnd 2003-12-2 11:35:33 PM|| 2003-12-2 11:35:33 PM|| Front Page Top

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