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2003-12-02 Middle East

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Posted by Steve White 2003-12-02 1:04:50 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

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Dear Steve:

I should of known and anticipated that you would handle the King Abdullah II story in an appropriately Rantburgian manner.

Sorry for the double posting on this topic. Do I delete mine...and if so how? Or just let them stand side by side?

As almost always...your posting is fun & smart.

Best Wishes,

Traveller

Posted by Traveller 2003-12-2 1:48:16 AM|| 2003-12-2 1:48:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Of course, the ~~Eurotrash~~ opposition will continue to scoff at Bush's calls for spreading reform and democratization in the Middle East. Steve is right to be skeptical about reform in Jordan, which is ruled by a minority ethnic group, just as Iraq was until recently. Even worse, the majority population is Palestinian (yikes!). But the fact that the King feel the need to use the rhetoric of reform is tacit acknowledgement of Bush's call for more freedom. Just remember this and other similar pronouncements that we keep hearing from Arab countries the next time you hear someone being smug and dismissive of the neocon domino theory.

Posted by Tokyo Taro 2003-12-2 2:58:50 AM|| 2003-12-2 2:58:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 It would be a start if the whole friggin' world acknowledged history, sans the revisionistic bullshit. Who owns what, how, why, when, yadda3.

Simple History Lesson from David Horowitz of FrontPage (references Partition Map 'F'):
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4454

Neutral Source (under attack for being so, of course) confirming Horowitz and historical documents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

The treaties, from Stanford Univ:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/history187b/Outline5.htm

Sykes-Picot "Treaty" Map May, 1916 (much better than the Stanford Map):
http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Egov46/sykes-picot-1916.gif

Balfour Declaration Nov 1917:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/history187b/balfourdecdoc.htm

The British Mandate 1920s-1940s:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate.php

British Mandate Map:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/mandate2.html

Pre-1948 Palestine Partition Map - all Options:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/history187b/partmaps.htm

Actual birth of the State of Israel (UN Res 181) and Post-War Map, since 5 Arab States immediately declared war upon Israel, and had a few "problems" destroying Israel:
http://www.stanford.edu/class/history187b/ismap.htm

And last but certainly not least, here's an interesting excerpt regards the 1919 Paris Peace Conference that shows Emir Feisal, Abdullah's great-grandfather, accepted the creation of the future Israel... in Palestine - his word.
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The fact is that the international community, including the emerging Arab nations, recognized Israel at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, which was held by the victorious Allies in order to settle international questions after the 1918 armistice ended World War I. An official Arab and Zionist delegation, as well as delegations from nations and groups from around the world, were invited to attend the conference. The head of the Arab delegation, Emir Feisal, great-grandfather of Abdallah, the present King of Jordan, agreed that "Palestine" would be the Jewish homeland.

Feisal accepted the British Balfour Declaration of Nov. 2, 1917, which afforded recognition to a Jewish national homeland, and agreed with the Zionist delegation, stating, "All such measures shall be adopted as we afford the fullest guarantee of carrying into effect the British Government's Balfour Declaration." Emir Feisal confirmed this determination in a March 3, 1919 letter to Harvard Law Professor, and later US Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter, to whom he wrote: "Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted by the Zionist organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as modest and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through. We will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."

In exchange for Arab recognition of Israel, the Allied powers, in 1919, agreed to the eventual sovereignty of almost 20 Arab states, covering vast oil-rich lands, after a period of mandatory oversight by European powers. The Europeans would proceed to draw the borders of their respective mandates and, in essence, create the system of Arab states that would emerge out of the remnants of the old Turkish Ottoman Empire. In 1922, a couple of years after the Conference, in a land for peace deal, the British would split Mandatory Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish Mandate using the Jordan River as the line of demarcation. The Arabs were granted East Palestine, or Transjordan, which would later become Arab Jordan while West Palestine, or Cis-Jordan, would become the Jewish National homeland of Israel."
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Isn't that interesting? Read the whole thing:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=article&id=1726

Fuck the Hashemite "king" and the "state" of Jordan, the actual Palestinian homeland. And fuck the Paleos and their revisionists and liars and apologists in their Saville Row suits and Gucci slip-ons and the fact-truth-challenged "news" outlets assholes.

This will only ever end, and that fact will be clear when you read the actual history and understand the Arabs (still at "war"), when one 'side' or the other is wiped out. When one or the other is [insert Monty Python dead-parrot jokes here]...

(THIS is the truth. Kiss my hairy ass, Rooters, et al.)

Posted by .com 2003-12-2 4:13:23 AM|| 2003-12-2 4:13:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Traveller, thanks and no problems, mate!

The Army of Steveâ¢ rolls on!

Posted by Steve White 2003-12-2 6:14:55 PM|| 2003-12-2 6:14:55 PM|| Front Page Top

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