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2004-01-09 Iraq

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2004-01-09 11:46|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Anyone remember this level of concern for the people Saddam's government shoveled into graves?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-9 1:33:07 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-9 1:33:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 "In 1960 the UN criminalised occupation by military force, and considered occupation as an anti-human rights act. Resolution 3013 of the General Assembly considers any foreign forces on another country's soil as mercenary units."

Ah, the golden age of makin' stuff up. Leaving aside the UN's inability to "criminalize" anything, given that it has neither popular mandate nor law enforcement agencies, and the complete stoopidity of the definition of "mercenaries", it's simply not true. According to this, GA resolution 3013 was passed in December 1972, not 1960, and simply urges member states to adopt three conventions on narcotics. In other words, it's about the drug trade.

I couldn't find anything about occupation in the resolutions for 1960. The only thing vaguely resembling it is Cuba whining that the nasty Americans are picking on them, and the GA resolution that all member states should work to resolve problems peacefully, 'K?

Maybe we should let 'em defend him.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2004-1-9 2:14:22 PM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2004-1-9 2:14:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Ain't fact checking a bitch?

Posted by Fred 2004-1-9 2:33:28 PM|| 2004-1-9 2:33:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Arab Loyers, do such people exist? i thought arab justice was decided by Allah and the punishment by the local stone throwers.

Posted by Jon Shep 2004-1-9 2:46:34 PM|| 2004-1-9 2:46:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Giving legitimacy to UN sanctioned laws and rules would depend on 1) a powerful enough sovereign to enforce the law if you are talking about Austinian-type jurisprudence, or 2) immutable natural laws if you are talking about the common law jurisprudence that is the bedrock of international law.

There is no way the UN is a powerful enough sovereign to enforce international law as an Austinian-type sovereign. The US, however, is powerful enough--and under Austinian-type arguments, the UN should be listening to us. The US will only lose the high ground if it is voluntarily relinquished.

Under basic common-law principles, which are the bedrock of international law, the US is entirely justified in the WOT. Again, the UN cannot dictate terms to the US in the WOT.

Oh, and what about the Iraqi people, what would the vast majority like to do with Saddam? Maybe he could succeed in a âprison breakâ down in, say, Basra . . .

Posted by cingold 2004-1-9 2:47:21 PM|| 2004-1-9 2:47:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe we should give him a trial in the same way he 'tried' those he sent to the mass graves? (i.e. line him up before a trench and shoot him.)

*boom*

Yup! looks like your guilty!

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-1-9 2:59:01 PM|| 2004-1-9 2:59:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 But he is not convinced there is any authority the Arab lawyers can appeal to.

Bingo! Legislation without the capacity to enforce is meaningless.

Posted by phil_b 2004-1-9 5:17:33 PM|| 2004-1-9 5:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Demand a change of venue. Move the circus to SF.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-9 6:45:03 PM|| 2004-1-9 6:45:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Shipman, you're right. How can a defendent get a fair trial in a country where he summarily executed a million people. (I guess I should have tried to fit an allegedly in there somewhere.)

Posted by Super Hose 2004-1-9 11:35:38 PM|| 2004-1-9 11:35:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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