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2004-01-22 Britain

Dead scientist saw Iraqâs arms as immediate threat

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Posted by Steve 2004-01-22 8:50:32 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 the BBC credibility, if it has any, continues to sink deep and deeper.

Posted by B 2004-1-22 10:00:52 AM|| 2004-1-22 10:00:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, it would be quite an achievement to have non-existing weapons ready in 45 minutes. Have any weapons been found after the war? No. Have the UN inspectors found anything even resembling a WMD after years of searches? No. There are no WMD in Iraq, and there haven't been any, at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons, and turned a blind eye while he used them against Iranians and Kurds.
And the original claim was that Iraq could attack Great Britain in 45 minutes. I wonder where all those Iraqi ICBMs are now...

BBC still has higher credibility than any american news media. I mean, Fox news? They make Joseph Goebbels look impartial and righteous.

But hey, as long as Dubya gets to spend a bazillion dollars of american taxpayers money on a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants, who's complaining?

Posted by euroboy 2004-1-22 10:26:46 AM|| 2004-1-22 10:26:46 AM|| Front Page Top

Fox news? They make Joseph Goebbels look impartial and righteous.

Haul out the "they're just like the Nazis" charge, you automaticaly lose your argument, euroboy.

Not that the rest of your comment had anything to do with reality, either.

BTW, the UN "inspectors" couldn't find their asses with both hands. They made the Keystone Kops look competent.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-1-22 10:47:16 AM|| 2004-1-22 10:47:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants

Iraqis are rednecks?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-22 10:56:56 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-22 10:56:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 "Euroboy" wrote: at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons

Sorry, EUboy, you've been suckered by a meme. The USA did NOT give Saddam loads of biological weapons. Iraq bought certain agents from the ATCC on the open market. These agents were "dual-use" and have legitimate uses in developing vaccines, etc. Ethical countries use them properly, Saddam didn't. Those purchases though were small, and that was confirmed by the UN inspectors themselves.

By far the greatest amount of equipment and supplies for Saddam's WMD program (both bio and chem) came from -- yep, the USSR! Followed by France and Germany. They sold Saddam media, culture supplies, microbiological and manufacturing equipment, and so on. Whatever chem/bio stuff Saddam had at any point (like when he gassed the Kurds) came from them, not the US.

But don't feel bad, this meme has been in the EU press for a long time. It's just wrong.

Posted by Steve White 2004-1-22 11:18:56 AM|| 2004-1-22 11:18:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 euroboy :The name says it all.

Posted by raptor 2004-1-22 11:27:54 AM|| 2004-1-22 11:27:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Funny thing is that people like Euro-boy bleat on about evidence of WMDs...while at the same time ignoring detailed reports on who sold arms to Iraq. Clue: it wasn't either the US or the UK. They are the ones getting killed by arms sold to Saddam by France, Germany and the USSR.

Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge 2004-1-22 11:42:29 AM|| [http://www.andrewiandodge.com] 2004-1-22 11:42:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 euroboy said:
"good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons"
excuse me but you left out Europe's contribution:
1.Iraqâs State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered incubators and culture media from Germanyâs Water Engineering Trading.
2.On 2/87, Germanyâs Sigma Chemie supplied seven ounces of trichothecene mycotoxin, including T-2 toxin and HT-2 toxin, to the German firm Plato Kuehn, which indicated that the material would be exported to Iraq.
3. 1987, Josef Kuhn of Germany delivered 100 milligrams of trichothecene mycotoxin T-2 to Iraq.
4.Iraq obtained "deadly pathogens" from the Pasteur Institute in Paris.
5.In 1989, Denmarkâs Niro Atomizer Co. supplied Iraq with two spray dryers, one of which was installed at Al-Hakam in 1992.
6.Between 1991-94, the UK firm Oxoid, a subsidiary of the UK-Dutch firm Unilever, sent a total of 3,000 lbs of growth medium to Iraq in four shipments licensed by the United Kingdomâs Department of Trade and Industry.
7.In 1987-88, Iraq ordered a total of 39 tons of growth media from the UK firm Oxoid and the Swiss firm Fluka Chemie.
8.Firms in Italy, Switzerland, and Germany supplied fermentors to Iraq.
http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/flow/iraq/index.htm
And there are many more examples of Europe's contribution.
So the blame isn't only on the good ol USA like you want to think, it is on the whole damn world.
But mostly the blame should be on Iraq itself.
Iraq got a little bit here and a little bit there and used deception and greed of companies and the middle east situation to develop these programs.
So get off your high horse euroboy.
And while you're getting down you should realise these situations are not all cut and dry "blame America" in the real world...and btw, Europe is letting Iran get away with the same deception that Iraq used, in the nuclear arena.
And since Europe is handling the Iran sitaution
you can't just blame America this time.

Posted by TS 2004-1-22 12:27:29 PM|| 2004-1-22 12:27:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Damn I hope Dean wins New Hampshire.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-22 12:35:41 PM|| 2004-1-22 12:35:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Shipman:

Never fear, I am doing my level best to make sure he does.

Posted by Carl in N.H. 2004-1-22 12:58:18 PM|| 2004-1-22 12:58:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 You're a good man Carl.... start early.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-22 1:39:07 PM|| 2004-1-22 1:39:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm not sure Euroboy knows what a meme is anyway. Besides, Troll that he is, he's posted here and now he's gone for the day.

Posted by Ughman 2004-1-22 1:56:14 PM|| 2004-1-22 1:56:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Euroboy: Welcome to Rantburg! Better seek out a good proctologist. I believe the term for your condition is "accute cranial-rectal conflation". Good luck.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-1-22 2:03:21 PM|| 2004-1-22 2:03:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 But hey, as long as Dubya gets to spend a bazillion dollars of american taxpayers money on a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants, who's complaining?

Definitely not me. But I wouldn't consider myself ill-informed.

Posted by Rafael 2004-1-22 2:10:59 PM|| 2004-1-22 2:10:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Good point raf. I'd say blowing up our enemies is a good use for my tax money too. Its been a while since I could fill out tax forms with a smile on my face.

Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-1-22 2:30:35 PM|| 2004-1-22 2:30:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 There are no WMD in Iraq, and there haven't been any, at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons, and turned a blind eye while he used them against Iranians and Kurds.

Uh huh. And Area 51 contains secret underground facilities working on alien technology salvaged from Roswell, NM.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-1-22 2:40:22 PM|| 2004-1-22 2:40:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Biased BBC says Baghdad Broadcasting Corp is still spinning.

And all this brouhaha over a little cable station w/barely 3m viewers, unlike the BBC and BBC radio w/110 million. Once Fox gets to those levels, zeropean, we'll discuss.

Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-1-22 2:43:16 PM|| 2004-1-22 2:43:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Its been a while since I could fill out tax forms with a smile on my face

Yes!
PJ O'R Wrote about how all goverment spending is a waste.... but at least with an SM2 launch you get GOD'S OWN ERECTION! LOL Let's waste it this way.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-22 4:15:12 PM|| 2004-1-22 4:15:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I've always considered myself a well-informed redneck.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-1-22 6:19:50 PM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2004-1-22 6:19:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 For spring break one year in college, we hopped a MAC flight to Ramstein - we had Active Duty ID's because we were Acedemy punks. Anyway, on our trip I think I ran in to euroboy in a disco in Luxembourg. One of my buddies was going to hit on ~~her~~ him until we noticed the extra deep voice. The Pet Shop Boys had a song out then called West End Girls that was a bewitching dance track, but we weren't that drunk. We hurriedly downed our Bittburgers bolted back to Germany. We discussing woodworking to reassure ourselves and retired to as seperate corners as four guys are able in a Ford Escort filled with 6 plastic carton cases of fine German beer.

With respect to the mortar rounds, Ekeus predicted that any Iraqi chemical agents (other than HD) would degrade rapidly. I wonder whether the poor quality of the agents lead to rapid decay which inerted the rounds. I am baffled as to any other reason for a mortar round to have a liquid in it's payload.
Also Let's assume that Scott Ritter (he wasn't the guy on Three's Company?) was right about the trailers being mobile weather balloon inflation stations. Why would you need that type of in depth weatherhinformation for support of conventional artillery. Then again, maybe Sadaam was brilliant and our forces should embed Al Roker immediately.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-1-22 7:06:11 PM|| 2004-1-22 7:06:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 SH you have a darkness in your sul. :)

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-22 8:00:46 PM|| 2004-1-22 8:00:46 PM|| Front Page Top

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