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WND: Muslim grads at CSI have 'shahada' on sashes

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Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-18 00:54|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is the San Andres fault due to move anytime soon? California needs to be detached from the mainland and sent floating in search of a culture more in sinc with its habitants. Malaysia or Indonesia, perhaps?
My apologies to those Californians who participate here.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-06-18 9:04:59 AM|| 2004-06-18 9:04:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sha-na-na? I wasn't aware they were Bowser fans.

Posted by Doc8404 2004-06-18 9:22:57 AM|| 2004-06-18 9:22:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Sally Peterson...Peterson admits the word "shahada," besides being a reference to Islam, "has also taken on many other meanings depending on where you sit. For some it is seen as 'kill all Jews' or it is seen as a reference to suicide bombers," she said.

So incitement to murder a religious/ethnic group is protected speech?

Despite different meanings applied to the Arabic word, the administrator said UCI is not permitted to limit the Muslim Student Union members' freedom to wear the sashes.

"This is a public university, and we are not permitted â no matter how offensive the speech â not to allow it or we are violating the First Amendment," Peterson said..."It's clearly a violation of free speech if we do not permit it," Peterson said. "There has been significant case law to back this up."

Bet that case law came out of ol CA.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-18 9:59:13 AM|| 2004-06-18 9:59:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 So, Sally - you wouldn't have any problem if somebody else photographs the idiots' faces, identifies them, and makes a tape of their speech? Just for documentation?

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-18 10:07:46 AM|| 2004-06-18 10:07:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Frank, The Jewish organizations asked the University to tape the speeches (no doubt given in closed session) or even record which speakers the muslem organization invites and the University refued.

This organization clearly and openly supports a terrorist organization (ham-ass).

I wonder what the university would say of someone brought an American or Israeli flag? Or a cross or star of david? Somehow I dont think these would be allowed.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-06-18 10:13:31 AM|| 2004-06-18 10:13:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't think it means kill all of the jews. It only means overcome(kill) all of the jews in Palestine and any other zionists who may support them in 3rd party countries.

It really a fairly benighn statement of love for Palestine.

Posted by Juneifer 2004-06-18 10:30:14 AM|| 2004-06-18 10:30:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 1 #6 I don't think it means kill all of the jews. It only means overcome(kill) all of the jews in Palestine and any other zionists who may support them in 3rd party countries.

I guess that would fall under protected speech. It would also fall under hypocritical and bigoted.

The notion of "Zionist homeland" sends them into spasms but the parallel notion of a "Palestinian homeland" is a-ok.

There are just some folks who think there is no place on this earth for Jews unless they are ruled by Arabs or anihiliated by anyone.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-18 11:27:43 AM|| 2004-06-18 11:27:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Juneifer - "It really a fairly benighn statement of love for Palestine"

You need to lay off the sauce. Yesterday you posted with this confabulated 'Juneifer' spelling then, later in the thread, you posted as 'Jennifer'. If you're going to troll, you should at least try to stay sober enough to type your own troll nym. The rest of what you type is, of course, irrelevant. We demand and deserve classier, more clever trolls.

From Brother Dave Gardner's character "Baby" (stolen by Flip Wilson and renamed "Geraldine" 20+ yrs later):
"Get away from that wheelbarrow, you don't know nothing 'bout machinery!"

You may go now.

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 12:46:53 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/cvn74.jpg] 2004-06-18 12:46:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "It's clearly a violation of free speech if we do not permit it," Peterson said. "There has been significant case law to back this up."

Horsesh!t! HATE SPEECH IS NOT PROTECTED BY LAW. If these same students wanted to wear swastikas on their gowns, do you think this issue would have even sparked the least debate?

Any reference to "martyrdom" is a form of support for Islamic terrorism. The school need only obtain an injunction seeking to restrain such antagonistic displays for fear of them inciting violence. Concern for the safety of their students constitutes perfectly acceptable grounds for University officials to act upon. The hearing can conveniently be scheduled for after the graduation ceremonies and those Islamic students can stuff their "shahada" sashes where the sun don't shine.

Isn't it about time that a clear and indisputable connection be drawn between militant Islam and Nazism? Both avowedly seek the annihilation of the Jews and have previously collaborated in doing exactly that.

I will repeat a simple question I have asked here before:

What church could possibly allow uniformed Nazis to openly worship under their roof without inspiring universal condemnation?

So it is with Islam. That this religion permits advocates of terrorism and Holocaust to openly participate or preach in their church's functions must increasingly be regarded as a COMPLETE NEGATION of Islam's worth.

Moderate Muslims had better set about rectifying this d@mn soon. Failure to make conspicuous inroads upon eliminating jihadist elements from within their ranks will soon spell Islam's doom.

Another few 9-11 atrocities will be all it takes for massive public demonstrations to begin burning down mosques in western nations. I do not think such mobs will be too concerned if those mosques are occupied or not. No threat is intended by my stating this, only a promise.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 12:49:51 PM|| 2004-06-18 12:49:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 How on earth did I miss this little gem?

We demand and deserve classier, more clever trolls.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 12:53:56 PM|| 2004-06-18 12:53:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 "I don't think it means kill all of the jews."

Yes, you do.

(Say hi to Antiwar and Gentle for me.)

Zenster's right. A bunch of students wearing sashes with little "decorative" swastikas probably wouldn't go over very well--funny, cuz there's no difference between the two.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-06-18 4:38:36 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:38:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Thx :) She's now posting blather designed to "fit in" - wotta twit. She'll just change nyms and play the game from the inside, mouthing A while insinuating B. Sad.

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 4:45:18 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/pork-on-the-wing.jpg] 2004-06-18 4:45:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "Get away from that wheelbarrow, you don't know nothing 'bout machinery!"

LOL! Needed some laugh therapy....thanks.....

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 4:50:51 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:50:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Maybe someone should call the police during the ceremony and report them as terrorists. After all, they'll be dressed as exploding lama's...err, homicide bombers.

Posted by Silentbrick 2004-06-18 5:37:16 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:37:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Zenster's right. A bunch of students wearing sashes with little "decorative" swastikas probably wouldn't go over very well--funny, cuz there's no difference between the two.

Thank you, ex-lib. I think it is high time for all people who oppose Islamic domination to openly and loudly begin associating Islamists and Nazis at every opportunity. They both have the same agenda, methods and levels of indoctrination, so what is the difference? Each of them simultaneously praise and deny the Holocaust. What surer sign is there of their ~~moral bankruptcy~~ identicality?!?

While the Nazis sought Jewish genocide, the Islamists are a wee bit more ambitious. They seek nothing short of GLOBAL CULTURAL GENOCIDE. That is the sole difference between them, and one that only should alarm people all the more.

What more will it take for people to realize that they both represent the exact same identical threat to every culture on earth?

Militant Islam = Nazism

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 5:56:14 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:56:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't know that the sashes qualify as any type of speech, protected or illegal. I do know that an employer should be allowed to choose not to employ an apologist for splodey-dopes without being sued for discrimination. The KKK certainly doesn't qualify as a protected creed or religion. Why should terrorist sympathy qualify as a protected creed?

If I were a student, I would sport a Red, White and Blue sash. If other students don't don sashes with anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, of the USMC crest, then they have ceded the right to express themselves without challenge. For those students who are less political, a Budweiser sash would certainly be appropriate. The end result would have to be either a moratorium against all sash wearing, a battle royal or a demonstration of maturity on the part of all involved. Any of those results would be perfectly acceptable to me although I would certainly take only long odds on the "maturity" option.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-18 10:43:54 PM|| 2004-06-18 10:43:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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