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2004-07-08 Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Starts Drawing Plans to Cut Its Troops in Iraq
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Posted by Steve White 2004-07-08 12:04:49 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:06:50 AM||   2004-07-08 5:06:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Antiwar,

Natural Selection will take care of you.

Darwin Akbar!
Posted by Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 5:22:40 AM||   2004-07-08 5:22:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:31:56 AM||   2004-07-08 5:31:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Antiwar,

I have not intention of arguing with you. I have the feeling you are a muslim and after living among you for several years, I know you will go the way of the Dodo.
All you can do now is pray for a random mutation that will allow you to evolve fast enough to avoid extinction!
I wish you all the luck in the world!
Good bye.



Posted by Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 5:46:44 AM||   2004-07-08 5:46:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:52:58 AM||   2004-07-08 5:52:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Weak response

Lame troll expects inflated response. Typical.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 5:56:06 AM||   2004-07-08 5:56:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 AntiJews, you're really one to talk about ''trailer parks!"
Snort!
Posted by Jen  2004-07-08 6:01:24 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-08 6:01:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 "Anon,Christian actually"

I didn't suffer on that damn cross just so ignorant bigots like you could cloak your hatefulness and stupidity in a mantle of phony virtue.

Shut up and get a clue.
Posted by Jesus of Nazareth 2004-07-08 6:27:14 AM||   2004-07-08 6:27:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 6:31:57 AM||   2004-07-08 6:31:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 6:43:23 AM||   2004-07-08 6:43:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Read Matthew 8.5-13 and Luke 7.1-10. Does he tell the soldier not to be a soldier? No. Does he praise the soldier. Yes. The only reason for soldiers is war. No war, no soldiers. I could reasonably conclude your statement does not reflect the Jesus of record.
Posted by Don 2004-07-08 7:08:49 AM||   2004-07-08 7:08:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Well if we are drawing down troops wonder were we send them next.ahhh yes Iran or is that Syria.
Posted by djohn66 2004-07-08 7:11:18 AM||   2004-07-08 7:11:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Anyone here familiar with Mr. Holland's Opus?
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 7:12:30 AM||   2004-07-08 7:12:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 7:20:02 AM||   2004-07-08 7:20:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 No Soldiers, no disease sounds good too. If you're sufficiently goddamn stupid.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 7:33:03 AM||   2004-07-08 7:33:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-)
Ahh, a Kumbaya imbecile! With all the usual stunning and thought provoking arguments.
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-07-08 7:48:27 AM||   2004-07-08 7:48:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 You do know don't you that if Jesus has any living relatives (not direct descendants of course;descendants of cousins etc)they are Palestinians. Before you say he was a Jew yes he was by religion.

But not by nationality????;)

Is it written in the NT that every single one of Jesus's cousins became a follower? Could not some of his cousins descendants be (modern, non-Messianic) Jews? Hey, I COULD be a descendant of one of Jesus's cousins, no? Some yichus,as we say.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 8:05:17 AM||   2004-07-08 8:05:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 AntiSemite, Jesus wouldn't advocate standing around while His people, the Jews, were being slaughtered by people who worship the Devil (which is basically what Islam is).
And today is my birthday and I'm not going to waste it arguing with a cretin like you!
Go on back over to WeAreMorons.com and leave us alone!
Posted by Jen  2004-07-08 8:07:49 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-08 8:07:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 hey now :(
what's so bad about living in a trailor park?
some good friends of mine live in one..
Posted by Dcreeper 2004-07-08 8:10:26 AM||   2004-07-08 8:10:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 id like to think that Jesus, if he was even close to what the NT says he was, wouldnt stand around while Jews (or anyone else) were slaughtered even if it was by people who DIDNT worship the devil - in fact even if it was by people who worshipped him!
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 8:11:31 AM||   2004-07-08 8:11:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 I do not believe a fore reduction in Iraq is a wise move. In fact, I think we should be working toward moving in more Marines and heavy armor. Most of these Marines should be position along Iraq's border with Iran and Syria. With the greatest number set along the Iranian border.

Force Recon should commence the probing missions within Iran.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-08 8:34:33 AM||   2004-07-08 8:34:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 "Country Roads take them home To the Trailer Park Where they belong"

At last a left-'tard admits the real basis of its views: hinterland media-conformist perceptions of social status.
Scratch a peace hypocrite, you'll find a desperate bourgeois status-seeker underneath.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 8:52:23 AM||   2004-07-08 8:52:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Aunty needs flash, A/C. This is her kind 'o guy.
Posted by .com 2004-07-08 9:01:16 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/DAM.jpg]  2004-07-08 9:01:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Btw, Anti-War Bigot, I am a full professor, a published author, an elected official, and a millionaire. I also served as a Private in the US Army.
I've known a lot of yokel status-seeker flakes who dominated high school social life, then became hippies in response to the shock of the Big World when they got to college. In their fifties, they are truly pathetic figures, slaving away at professions they can barely handle or still living on trust funds as they seek to evade the realization that the irrelevance of their lives is wholly their own fault.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 9:02:39 AM||   2004-07-08 9:02:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 DF -- I suspect you may be right about the mix of the ~100,000 troops that remain.

AC -- well, she did once claim to be a lady. But it turns out, like in so many things, she isn't interested in, or capable of, doing the work.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-07-08 9:03:07 AM||   2004-07-08 9:03:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Can we please stay on topic. This is an important issue.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-08 9:07:07 AM||   2004-07-08 9:07:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#27  Re #22: Amen.
Posted by ed 2004-07-08 9:08:02 AM||   2004-07-08 9:08:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 9:25:27 AM||   2004-07-08 9:25:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Mr. Holland's Opus is a greatly underated movie.
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 9:34:11 AM||   2004-07-08 9:34:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 NYT: The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people.

I love it when the NYT makes declarative statements like this. This is why I graduated from reading this fish paper of a broadsheet from cover-to-cover to never reading it at all.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-07-08 9:39:06 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com]  2004-07-08 9:39:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Perhaps we should move our forces in Iraq to Afghanistan and our forces in Afghanistan to Iraq.... overland.

I head Tehran is nice this time of year.....
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-07-08 10:00:59 AM||   2004-07-08 10:00:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#32  "I am a lady unfettered by false petit bourgeouis notions of gentility"translation:I am a foul mouthed,dumb-ass bigotted Slut.

NYT: The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people.

Didn't we just read that the Irqi gov wouldn't mind if U.S. forces struck at countrys thatsupport,abet and facilitate foerign fighters.
Posted by Raptor 2004-07-08 10:45:40 AM||   2004-07-08 10:45:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 Liberalhawk Judaism is a religion i.e someone may be an American Jew or a German Jew etc (fill in Nationality of your choice)Re yourself I don't know if you are of Middle Eastern descent if you are its possible you are related to Jesus. If on the other hand you are of European descent who's ancestors converted to Judaism then you are not.

Jews not a nationality - well not in the Western sense. But a distinct people - i think of time in turns of Jewish holidays, i use hebrew and Yiddish words, i love the Hebrew language, i identify with jewish history and jews elsewhere. I would continue to do so if I didnt beleive in G-d - in fact i do so with full strenght even when my beleif wavers as it does.

Its always good to have a non-Jew telling me what Judaism is and isnt though.

European descent - yup - but european Jews are at least in part of middle eastern origin. In Roman times exiles from Israel went to Spain and Italy, as well as North Africa. And some Jews who had gone from Israel to Mesopotamia moved west, ending up in Spain and North Africa. In Carolingian times Jews moved north along the trade routes, settling in Northern France and the Rhineland in Germany, and later spreading across Germany. It was from these Jews that the Jews of Poland descend.

NOT from the Khazars, if thats what youre thinking. Only the elite among the Khazars converted to Judaism, and there is little evidence that they made it to Poland. And, by the way, many of the Jews who lived in the Khazar kingdom were NOT converts, but were born Jews who moved there fleeing the Byzantine Empire. So they would of middle eastern descent as well.

So yes, I could be a descendant of Jesus's cousins.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 11:02:29 AM||   2004-07-08 11:02:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 I do NOT think Jesus (the real one not you) would support war.

In Hoc Signo Crucis Vinces!
Posted by Rafael 2004-07-08 11:03:50 AM||   2004-07-08 11:03:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 in any case did Jesus live in Germany, or American? No, he lived in JUDEA. So he was a Judean Jew, no? But in Latin thats redundant - jew MEANS Judean. So he WOULD have been a Jew by NATIONALITY.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 11:04:06 AM||   2004-07-08 11:04:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 LOL LH!
You mean Heyzeus didn't live in Palestine?
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 11:47:04 AM||   2004-07-08 11:47:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 11:49:12 AM||   2004-07-08 11:49:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 oh good grief, now what year did the Romans rename Judea as Philistia, after the (by that point) long gone Philistines? After the usual date for the crucifixion, I think.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 12:09:05 PM||   2004-07-08 12:09:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 It's been interesting watching the troll Antiwar's true colors come out these last few days. What a pathetic, fraud. The perfect poster child of the LLL.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 12:24:16 PM||   2004-07-08 12:24:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 so much for the antiwar and bible quotes of the past....

this troll is really showing it's colours these days...we must be doing something right....
Posted by Dan 2004-07-08 12:26:32 PM||   2004-07-08 12:26:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Crackwhore for Islam, nothing to see here.... visit the Tourette's twit in the Sink Trap if you wanna see the entertainment
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-08 12:45:18 PM||   2004-07-08 12:45:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 LH -- I believe the Romans renamed it Philistia after the Bar Kochba revolt and the reduction of Masada ~125 C.E.(Common Era = A.D.), but quite definitely after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 C.E.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-07-08 12:50:27 PM||   2004-07-08 12:50:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:03:18 PM||   2004-07-08 1:03:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:06:10 PM||   2004-07-08 1:06:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 You mean "libelous", I think. Slander is spoken, libel is printed (hence the "lib")...

Sue and be damned.
Posted by mojo  2004-07-08 1:09:02 PM||   2004-07-08 1:09:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Jew is a person who follows Judaism as their religion it is a belief system not a nationality or a genetic inheritance

Youve got a circularity problem then, because one of the tenets of Judaism the RELIGION is that G-d revealed his will to the PEOPLE of Israel, who are bound by HIS commandments to THEM.

In Hebrew we speak of Am Israel - the people Israel. And Emunah Israel - the faith of Israel.

the people Israel = Jews. A Jew who fails to follow or believe in the faith of Israel does NOT cease to be a Jew - he simply becomes a sinning Jew. This has significant meaning in Jewish law.

The word "Judaism" does not occur in traditional Jewish texts. It is a 19th century invention, to make fit "Judaism" into the thought categories of Christianity - which seperate the idea of a religion from the idea of a people. Such a distinction is foreign to pre-19th century Judaism. And is fully embraced post 19th c only by Reform Judaism - Conservative and Modern O Judaism certainly embrace full loyalty to the democratic states we live in, but retain a notion of "am israel" as central to the Jewish faith.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:12:18 PM||   2004-07-08 1:12:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 There were some Jews of Middle Eastern there before the Zionist State was established

actually the Jewish community of the land of Israel had a majority of eastern european jews as far back as 1780, due to an influx of hasidic jews from Poland. The vast majority of middle eastern Jews in Israel today are descended from post-1948 immigrants, largely from Iraq, Morocco, and Yemen.

Basically you dont know a damned thing about the Jews OR Israel. Its time you stopped posting and started LEARNING.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:14:55 PM||   2004-07-08 1:14:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 ..."and that's your Rantburg Bitch Slap Moment of the Day!" Good show LH.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 1:20:18 PM||   2004-07-08 1:20:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:22:37 PM||   2004-07-08 1:22:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Antiwar is a living (I assume) that there is no vaccine against stupidity.
Posted by anymouse  2004-07-08 1:25:44 PM||   2004-07-08 1:25:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Yasser Arafat's minister for Jewish Affairs. Can't remember his name....Abu Abbas?
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 1:26:43 PM||   2004-07-08 1:26:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 The only antizionist jews in Israel left are Neturei Karta, a tiny group (not even all Szatmar belong to Neturei Karta) They are fatalistic, superstitious, and viciously antimodern.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:27:18 PM||   2004-07-08 1:27:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 and btw, not one neturei karta member would deny for a minute that the jews are an Am - a nation. And that the jews are destined to rule the land of Israel, under a Jewish King. They just think that the way to bring that about is by praying and following ritual laws, and waiting for G-d to act. The Zionists are sinners for believing that humans can and should affect history. I cant see how any modern person can think much of the Neturei Karta ideology.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:29:40 PM||   2004-07-08 1:29:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Antiwar - your posts aren't deleted because your's is a dissenting voice - it's simply because you are full of shit. You may realise that one day, but I wouldn't bank on it.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 1:33:04 PM||   2004-07-08 1:33:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 LH--

I was the one who told Antisemite about NK's leader being Arafat's kapo (I can tell, because I used the same phrasing "can't remember his name"). It is the one thing I ever told her that she listened to. She doesn't mention that Palestinians have killed NK people as well, not that such a thing would bother her.

She'll never respond to the other parts of your discussion, as they don't fit into her love for the Khazar thesis and the "theories" of Romy Brenner.
Posted by BMN 2004-07-08 1:35:12 PM||   2004-07-08 1:35:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:37:28 PM||   2004-07-08 1:37:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Apparently Antisemite has learned to use Google. It took her a very long time, though, and she still doesn't know who Marr was.
Posted by BMN 2004-07-08 1:39:00 PM||   2004-07-08 1:39:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:40:31 PM||   2004-07-08 1:40:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:48:10 PM||   2004-07-08 1:48:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 Antisemite--

Have you ever heard of private property?
Posted by BMN 2004-07-08 1:49:11 PM||   2004-07-08 1:49:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:55:05 PM||   2004-07-08 1:55:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Buh-bye.
Posted by tu3031 2004-07-08 1:56:38 PM||   2004-07-08 1:56:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 AW - Do you think you could read a good intro book on Judaism before you come back?? Theres plenty available, you know.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:58:53 PM||   2004-07-08 1:58:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 "MY DISSENTING VOICE HAS BEEN DELETED BUT I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED"
Nah, it's just been moved to Sinktrap where it belongs, unlike the voices of Saddam's numerous victims.

From the sinktrap:

"SADDAM HUSSEIN IS THE LEGAL AND RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT OF IRAQ"

By all means, AntiWar, shout this from the rooftops, put it on a 50 foot weather-proof banner outside George Soros' office, get Ramses Al-Clark and Noam Chomsky to help you carry it at "peace" rallies, teach 400 PiB (Persons in Black) undergraduates to chant it outside the Student Unions at their respective cow colleges, get it tattooed next to the snake on your buttocks and send the pics to all those amateur nude sites (an ideal way to audition for Lumpy Riefenstahl, aka Mike Al-Moor, btw).
Have it imprinted on your custom Mennonite Crafts League burqa or you Quaker Textile Collective hajib. Stroll down Rodeo Drive in your overpriced grunge costume and shout it in the faces of passersby, being sure to credit your authority to the superior intellect and morality of ANSWER and the peace movement.

Folks, with enemies like this, we don't need allies.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 2:02:39 PM||   2004-07-08 2:02:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 Wow, Antisemite, so touchy.

Too bad that I'm male.

Remember, this person IS an antisemite, whether she likes to be called it or not. Her day job is an attendant for the mentally handicapped. Antisemite is the kind of petty fuehrer who can be attracted to that job, where no one ever tells her she's wrong.

I would never dream of deleting this particular comment, for it really tells it all, does it not?

Private property, Antsemite, means that the site administrator can decide who posts, when, what, etc. Since you have a mortgage on land stolen from the aborigines, you ought to be better acquainted with the concept.
Posted by BMN 2004-07-08 2:03:09 PM||   2004-07-08 2:03:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED blah blah blah...whatever.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 2:08:16 PM||   2004-07-08 2:08:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 I'm going now but I will return. I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED

Ooh, she does winds up well, doesn't she?!

One day you see a strange little girl look at you
One day you see a strange little girl feeling blue
She’d run to the town one day
Leaving home and her country fair
Just beware
When you’re there
Strange little girl

She didn’t know how to live in a town that was rough
It didn’t take long before she knew she'd had enough
Walking home in her wrapped up world
She survived but she’s feeling old
'Cause she found
All things cold

Strange little girl
Where are you going?
Strange little girl
Where are you going?
Strange little girl
You really should
You really should be
Going

(Stranglers)
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 2:19:05 PM||   2004-07-08 2:19:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Bullshit, she loves us! We're like heroin to the crazy bitch. She couldn't leave if she wanted to. She tries to get out and we.. pull... her... back... in!
But, by all means, Douchebag, please DO try, try, try, to resist.
Posted by tu3031 2004-07-08 2:28:54 PM||   2004-07-08 2:28:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 On the original topic, one question I'm interested in what type of basing arrangements we intend to conclude with the Iraqi government. I don't want our guys to be a fixed target, but one of the most appealing points of the war strategically was that it created to opportunity for the coalition to park a rapid response force in downtown Arabia. Two specific points I'm curious about are what if anything we're doing with those airfields in western Iraq that the Special Forces took, and what Bulldog's guys are doing to improve the port in the UK sector. I don't want us to have to ask Turkey or the Saudis for permission the next time out.
Posted by Matt 2004-07-08 2:33:10 PM||   2004-07-08 2:33:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 *laughs* Hey, antisemite! Its been a blast watching you get your *ss handed to you every day by the fine folks here who've actually STUDIED some history, who actually KNOW and UNDERSTAND world events!

Regardless of what the other posters are hoping for, I'm personally hoping that you DO continue to keep coming back--watching you and your bumbling lack of integrity getting MASHED by the other posters here makes my day! *laughs again*
Posted by Crusader 2004-07-08 2:42:27 PM||   2004-07-08 2:42:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 bye antiwar!

we are see you tomorow! :)
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-08 3:25:00 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-08 3:25:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 Not tomorrow mucki she are have electro shock theatre
Posted by Half 2004-07-08 4:11:28 PM||   2004-07-08 4:11:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Wow, LH-lots of good info on this page. Thanks!
Posted by jules 187 2004-07-08 5:33:19 PM||   2004-07-08 5:33:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 Mucky, Ima thinkin she creams her burqa 4 U
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-08 5:51:59 PM||   2004-07-08 5:51:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 It's hard not to feel a vague sense of shame-- doing battle with Antiwar is just a little bit too much like taunting some kid off the short bus. But she comes here begging for ridicule, and that's what she deserves and gets.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-07-08 6:13:57 PM||   2004-07-08 6:13:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 Anti-war: Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-)

I'd expect to so respond, as you are blind to the postings about the genocide in Darfur. Scroll around the site. Read rather than post. They do not have soldiers to protect them. Nor did the citizens of Rwanda or Cambodia have soldiers to protect them. Slaves, surfs, and other forms of human property have existed since recorded history, because they had no one to fight successfully for them. And they so shall have remained had they or others not taken up soldiering to end it. You, however, are comfortable in your own divinity and self proclaimed superior morality no matter how bloody that makes you an accessory to the fact when while you may not personally be able to end it, take the effort to obstruct others from ending it. And that is what separates pathetic individuals like yourself from true and honorable pacifist. I don't see the Amish protesting or obstructing. I understand their true beliefs not clouded by political ideology. They will not participate in war nor will they contribute to war production, but neither will they interfere in nor engage in seditious behavior with political objectives to undermine the will of the people manifested in the elected body of the people. Unlike you, they are symbiotic, not parasitic.
Posted by Don 2004-07-08 6:43:56 PM||   2004-07-08 6:43:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 An odd little duck indeed.
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 7:42:58 PM||   2004-07-08 7:42:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 LH> I'm currently 100 pages into a book called "God, Jews, & History" by Max Dimont. Was wondering if you've heard of it & if so, your thoughts on it? I've found it pretty interesting to say the least.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-08 10:51:34 PM||   2004-07-08 10:51:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 Jarhead,

As the other resident Jew (free thinking version, currently in a Reform synagogue because my goyishe husband is happy there, where his singing of the Hebrew prayers is better than many of the 'natives'), I can respond to Dimont.

My mother sent it to me about 6 months ago. This means it has been vetted by Euro-intelligencia-academic types who survived WWII and are very proud American citizens. Mama'd previously given a copy to my brother's wife as a good general intro to the history of Judaism, and I agree. Actually, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts, as I think everyone here already knows my opinion on the subject ;-)

After you finish Dimont, in your copious free time, I mean, I think you would enjoy [Isaac] Asimov's Guide to the Bible: the Old and New Testaments and(in much smaller print)Paul Johnson's A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity. Asimov's book is a special order item at your favorite bookstore, as is -- probably -- Johnson's Jews, but his Christians is on the shelves of the big box bookstores in the religion section.

I think you now have enough to get you through the next couple of invasions.
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#80 TW - as a Roman Catholic, who understands Jesus's destiny - welcome. We are the same people. Mel Gibson's "Passion" said the same when it was his hand (Catholic) pounding the spikes....
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#81 Thanks TW, actually I wasn't aware of your religious background. I'm Catholic and only have the Old Testament as a reference but not the really historical digging that Dimont does. I've been keenly impressed w/how Dimont really postulates the beginnings of the Jewish faith. So far he poses a lot of questions that I find not only relevant to Jews, but to all people. I will write more as I get farther along.
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