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2004-07-11 Europe

Anti-Semitic attack on mother and baby in France

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Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-07-11 12:08:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "The men of North African origin"

Hmm. Now which people come from North Africa again? I keep forgetting.

Posted by Brutus 2004-07-11 1:32:32 AM|| 2004-07-11 1:32:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I have no hope the French will do anything other than be "outraged." They already live in fear of "north africans."

Their use of swastikas shows the NAZI relationship to Islamofascists. The French peoples complicity in NAZI murder is historical fact.

Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-07-11 1:39:42 AM|| 2004-07-11 1:39:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Savages!! Sounds more like neo-Nazis (France's growing neo-Vichy-movement)

Islamic radicals can not be ruled out either. Attacking A Jewish mother with a baby or young child indicates they knew their intended victim(s) This form of cowardly assault is about as low as these thugs can sink to.

Both hate groups/gangs share many of the same self inflicted hatreds toward various people, but hate each other as well thus a unified neo-Vichy & Islamists working as one is somewhat unlikely.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-11 2:45:08 AM|| 2004-07-11 2:45:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Mark, they're described as "men of North African origin" - why do you think it's anything other than the common Muslim/Jewish thing? The swastika's the universal symbol of Jew-hatred, used by all sorts of scum nowadays.

I think the timning of this outrage could be used to strengthen Chirac's hand, if he's really intent on tackling on religious and race hatred. It's possible. It's past time that the French did some serious navel-gazing.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-11 3:24:16 AM|| 2004-07-11 3:24:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Mark,
Police said the attackers erroneously assumed the woman was Jewish so they clearly didn't know their victim well, if at all. This attack was less targeted at an individual than sheer, bone deep meanness.

And, Neo-nazis and Arab hate groups have historically worked together -- much Muslim antisemitic rhetoric comes straight from the old Nazi handbooks, and I've read about a trend within skinhead groups to convert to Islam. For that matter, Arafat's favorite uncle (the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) was rather a pet of Hitler's, and his voice in the Middle East during the war. So, the likelihood of the neo-Vichy working with Islamists is nearer the probability level of Saddam Hussein supporting al Qaeda.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-07-11 4:25:42 AM|| 2004-07-11 4:25:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I wonder if Europeans and Middle Eastern muslims ask themselves why they do not hear of Jews being attacked by muslims (of any origin) in the US.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-07-11 5:04:24 AM|| 2004-07-11 5:04:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Trailing wife, You are correct, in fact I was well awar of the Mufti. He was on the run from the Brits during the war and even lived in Berlin as a quest of Himmler & Hilter, plus he assisted in overseeing the formation & some of the training of the Bosnian Muslim SS Hanjar Division in 1943 in Nazi controlled Yugoslavia.

The Grand Mufti also activly participated in assisting German SS military instuctors in putting down a rebellion of Bosnian Muslims volenteeres in their Vichy France training camp in 1943.

Mr. Mufti, Muhammed Amin al-Husseini [many spelling variations] was born in 1893 (or 1895), the son of the Mufti of Jerusalem and member of an esteemed, aristocratic family. The Husseinis were one of the richest and most powerful of all the rivalling clans in the Ottoman province known as the Judaean part of Palestine.

With the collapse of Nazi Germany in may of 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.

This Mufti butcher is the same one who demanded the Arabs armies attack the brand new Jewish state of Israel in 1948 screaming 'Throw them into the seas! Kill them all!

Arafat has often stated he views Amin al-Husseini as his mentor and hero.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-11 5:12:33 AM|| [http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/mufti.html] 2004-07-11 5:12:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Check out these war era photos within the link.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-11 5:14:11 AM|| [http://www.srpska-mreza.com/bookstore/handschar/handschar.htm] 2004-07-11 5:14:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Another VERY detailed web-site concerning the Bosnian Muslim SS in Yugoslavia.

Today's ongoing problems in Yugoslav Balkan region stem from this very dark & evil period.

There were no good guys.

This is a subject the Islamic world will not discuss.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-11 5:19:35 AM|| [http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm] 2004-07-11 5:19:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#10
I assume this is a hoax. This French woman reminds me of Tawna Brawley, that New York Black girl who several years ago accused an imaginary group of racist policemen of carving KKK on her stomach (or something like that).
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 9:43:01 AM|| 2004-07-11 9:43:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Mike, shut up--this really happened!
Where have you been since 9/11????
Anti-Semitic attacks in France have soared the last few years, so much so that French Jews are immigrating to Israel in record numbers!
Muslim males have burned the Israeli embassy in Paris to the ground in 2002, burned down a synagogue in Marseilles, defaced graves with swaztikas, beat Jews in the streets and in stores, ad nauseum.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-11 10:30:17 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-11 10:30:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 MS - Duh! It was on a train. Guess nobody else saw it? Another strike....

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 10:40:31 AM|| 2004-07-11 10:40:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#13
Tawna Brawley was very late returning home for a curfew and didn't have an acceptable story to tell her father to explain her tardiness. So she concocted a story that she was kidnapped and tortured by a group of racist policemen. To prove her story, she carved the letters KKK on her stomach (or something like that).

I suspect this French woman was in some similar situation and so concocted a similar story with similar proof carved on her stomach.

Read the posting again. Her story is preposterous.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 10:41:20 AM|| 2004-07-11 10:41:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Here's a story that appeared on the rise of attacks (by "North African" Muslim males) on French Jews:
Anti-Jewish acts in France soar

You'd better be Jewish, MS, or else I will be furious with outrage at your callous remarks!
This story is making major headlines all over the world!
Some "hoax!"
And have you ever ridden on the Paris Metro?
Because I have, many times and there would be witnesses.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-11 10:48:17 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-11 10:48:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#15
I have no trouble believing reports that anti-Jewish acts committed by Moslems in Franch are growing.

I don't believe that six Arabs attacked this particular woman on a train, knocked over her pram with her baby in it, clipped her hair, cut her t-shirt and trousers, and carved three swastikas on her stomach. I think she invented the story, probably because she could not explain an absence. Her cut t-shirt, trousers and stomach are her false evidence for her preposterous story. That's what I think.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 11:10:17 AM|| 2004-07-11 11:10:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I can tell it's a fake because it doesn't have any globular clusters in it. Like Mr. Holland's opus.

In other news, a majority of women ask for it, victims are to blame, and Mike can make a snap judgment based on nothing more than the texture of his ass.

Piss off, Mikey.

Posted by therien 2004-07-11 12:00:19 PM|| 2004-07-11 12:00:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Mike S., what's up dude? Usually your judgement is fair but your off in space today. Are there a lot of 23 yr old women w/a child who would clip their own hair and cut up their own shirts & trousers on a whim just for an excuse? C'mon man, it's one thing to play devil's advocate, it's another to be ridiculous.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-11 1:17:55 PM|| 2004-07-11 1:17:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I understand Mike's skepticism. It only takes a few Tawanas out there to poison the well. I'd like to see independent corraboration -- witnesses, physical evidence, etc.

We know that anti-Jewish acts have soared in France the last few years, and we know that a significant portion of the French Muslim population would be happy and willing to kill all the French Jews if only given a chance.

But as they say in the newspaper biz, "if your mother says she loves you, check it out." Before I buy any story, I want corraboration.

Posted by Steve White 2004-07-11 1:51:39 PM|| 2004-07-11 1:51:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 It seems there were other passengers who witnessed the attack.

From the BBC:
"Jean-Paul Huchon, president of the Ile-de-France region surrounding Paris, despaired of the lack of reaction from fellow passengers.
He recalled the French deportation of Jewish children during German occupation in World War II, saying: "And now, we let people be attacked like this without reacting, without doing anything."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3884983.stm

Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-07-11 2:40:33 PM|| 2004-07-11 2:40:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#20
"Only Jews live in the 16th district," one of the men told her.

Preposterous!
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 3:10:01 PM|| 2004-07-11 3:10:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Yes, but no more preposterous than the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia insisting that all terrorism is the work of zionists. A statement made before world media BTW.

I'm afraid, Mike, that much as you would like this not to happen, similar attacks are well attested in France during the last few years. For a while, the French police actively discouraged families from reporting these attacks - including one in which a swastika was carved on a young Jewish woman by a group of Arab immigrant men who later took credit for the attack. I'm away from my PC or I'd post the link to the story from Le Monde.

French leaders are willing now to say they have a problem, but since they have silently abetted it for years it won't be easy to fix. It's quite possible that because this attack was NOT on a Jew, it will get more official outrage and action ... but words are cheap and the French have yet to take actions that will contain the explosive arrogance, unemployment and ill schoolign prevalent among young Muslim men in the cites.

Posted by rkb 2004-07-11 5:34:40 PM|| 2004-07-11 5:34:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 The only reason I'm somewhat skeptical is that the verb used is drawn or drew a swastika... not cut, burn or etched. It doesn't sound violent
enough to be carried out by legit members of the religon of peace.

BTW therein, if you blow up a really nice high rez. photo of the Sombrero Galaxy you can indeed see globular clusters, provided you have an open mind about such things.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-11 7:22:52 PM|| 2004-07-11 7:22:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Mike, I call TROLL I ought to know a TROLL is see one.

Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-07-11 7:43:42 PM|| 2004-07-11 7:43:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#24
I mistakenly wrote that the swastikas were carved into her stomach. In fact, they were drawn with a magic marker. I'm sorry that I introduced that misinformation into this thread.

Why would such attackers draw the swastikas on her stomach but not on her face or arms or back? The stomach is a relatively easy place for the woman herself to draw swastikas, and it's a place on her body that she can easily cover on her trip home.

Six Arab men are on a train. They rob only one woman on the train. They cut only this one woman's clothes. They lift only this one woman's shirt and use a magic marker to draw swastikas on only this one woman's stomach. She's not Jewish, but one of the men explains to her that they have attacked her because "only Jews live in the 16th District."

The other people supposedly on the train who watched and didn't intervene? The attackers must assume they were Jewish too. After all, only Jews live in the 16th District, and the train is passing through the 16th District. So, the six Arabs must have assumed all the other passengers were Jewish too. Did the six Arabs attack any of the other passengers? Did they rob any of the other passengers? Did they draw swastikas on any of the other passengers' stomachs? Did they knock over the baby prams of any other passengers? Apparently not. They picked on only this one woman and her baby, who in fact are not Jewish, even though they were on a train in the 16th District, where only Jews live.

This story is a total crock.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 7:50:57 PM|| 2004-07-11 7:50:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#25
Those of you who saw the movie Unfaithful remember that the wife's lover used a magic marker to draw a flower on the wife's lower stomach in order to embarrass her and her husband. How was she supposed to explain to her husband the butterfly drawn on her stomach with the magic marker? She would have to tell her husband some false story, wouldn't she?
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 7:58:45 PM|| 2004-07-11 7:58:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Mike, you know all and see all from the comfort of your bacalounger. The BBC report notes there were French riders who did nothing to help this woman. Wonder why they're not interviewed in the press? Probably, because (unlike you) they feel shame at accepting their dhimmitude. Others have characterized your posts as PC edited propaganda - I now believe them. Either you're willfully ignorant or an idiot by nature. Witnesses, multiple reports in the major media, yet "not enough evidence to convince. Frankly I think I Mike"...Puhleaaaaze! I frankly don't care if you believe, but I think I'll bypass your posts in the future, unless a factual and complete post is done.

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 8:07:49 PM|| 2004-07-11 8:07:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 man, you've really pissed me off to the point the last sentences were garbled. You get my drift

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 8:09:28 PM|| 2004-07-11 8:09:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Mike, this story isn't a crock and the sooner you drop saying that it is, the better it will be for your reputation and integrity (what's left of it) here at RB.
(BTW, I know the 16th arrondissement in Paris, commonly called "Passy" and the reason these Muslim males from the suburbs--les banlieus--think it's "Jewish" is because it's inhabitants are very rich.)
This is the most blatant kind of Anti-Semitism and sounds like it happened in Nazi Germany after the Nuremberg laws were enacted.)
Instead of carping about the truthfulness of the story, you should be on your knees praying for France and the rest of Western Europe which have clearly gone to the Devil.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-11 8:12:36 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-11 8:12:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 P.S. Mike, when a story like this one would leak out of Nazi Germany to the Civilized World, the Nazis would laugh it off, too, just the way you do now.
"Hahahah, those Jews will say anything to get sympathy, jah?"
There were so many attacks on Jews in France, that Jacques Chirac gave a policy speech on this on Friday before this attack happened:
French PM vows tougher fight against anti-Semitism, racism
Please stop trying to say the story's a "hoax"--you made your point and it's offensive to me for you to continue to harp on it.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-11 8:22:18 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-11 8:22:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Shipman -- glad to see you're familiar with the incident too! That was exactly my point. Enquiring minds want to know, and others just take a stand and run with it.

Posted by therien 2004-07-11 9:05:47 PM|| 2004-07-11 9:05:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Well, the International Herald Tribune / NYT is carrying a version of thes tory now as well. The details are a it clearer in this article: the men surrounded the pram, then rifled the woman's backpack and saw where she was from, then dumped her baby on the floor, slashed the pram, cut her hair, cut her clothes and marked her. There is no mention of a marking pen -- but clear mention of knives.

Of the 20 witnesses, only 2 came forward to give information to the authorities. Shameful!!!

Posted by rkb 2004-07-11 9:54:57 PM|| 2004-07-11 9:54:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Forgot the link to the IHT/NYT article: http://www.iht.com/articles/528938.html

Mike S., I sympathize with your denial -- but you are worse than a fool to suggest this incident was faked and a "crock". If you don't understand how one woman with a baby could be attacked by 6 young thugs while others stood by, then you have never walked on the edge of South Central LA, as I (a woman) have, and been surrounded by a drug gang with knives and clear menace -- as in, threats of rape and other violence. Only a passing police car broke the situation up ... none of the passers-by with cell phones in their BMWs would look at me, much less help. As the police confirmed, none bothered to call.

So pardon me if I am less than impressed by your cynical posturing.

Posted by rkb 2004-07-11 10:00:39 PM|| 2004-07-11 10:00:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#33
Thanks for the link to the IHT article, rkb. We'll see. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-11 10:55:37 PM|| 2004-07-11 10:55:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Dude, you're not just wrong, you're WAY WRONG.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-11 10:57:17 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-11 10:57:17 PM|| Front Page Top

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