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2004-07-20 Home Front: WoT
Clinton Adviser Probed Over Terror Memos
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Posted by Mike 2004-07-20 8:47:05 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The headline should read:

Kerry Adviser Probed Over Terror Memos

He is afetrall Kerry's FP advisor.

Read: "In a conference call with reporters before the speech, Kerry foreign policy advisor Samuel R. 'Sandy' Berger said those remarks were not meant to embrace Bush's doctrine of launching preemptive attacks against states the U.S. views as a threat."
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-20 9:06:45 AM||   2004-07-20 9:06:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Just as long as you keep "Probed" in the headline. It fits, considering where some of the documents were residing.
Posted by Victory Now Please 2004-07-20 9:44:45 AM||   2004-07-20 9:44:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Clinton-ista's are putting things into their pants! Usually goes the other way.
Posted by Sparks 2004-07-20 9:55:45 AM||   2004-07-20 9:55:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 UPDATE: "Captain Ed" Morissey writes:

Perhaps this explanation will fly for those who have never worked around classified documents, but since I spent three years producing such material, I can tell you that it's impossible to "inadvertently" take or destroy them. For one thing, such documents are required to have covers -- bright covers in primary colors that indicate their level of classification. Each sheet of paper is required to have the classification level of the page (each page may be classified differently) at the top and bottom of each side of the paper. Documents with higher classifications are numbered, and each copy is tracked with an access log, and nowadays I suppose they're tracking them by computers.

Under these rules, it's difficult to see how anyone could "inadvertently" mix up handwritten notes with classified documents, especially when sticking them into one's jacket and pants. Furthermore, as Clinton's NSA, Berger would have been one of the people responsible for enforcing these regimens, not simply subject to them. The DOD makes these rules crystal clear during the clearance process at each level of access, and security officers (which Berger clearly was) undergo even further training and assessment on security procedures. "Inadvertent" and "sloppiness", in the real context of secured documentation, not only don't qualify as an excuse but don't even register as a possibility. . . .

. . . truth is that Berger stole classified files that related to the worst act of mass murder/terrorism ever experienced by Americans, and indeed the worst attack on our territory since the Civil War. That theft by a member of the opposition party's Presidential campaign calls into question the motivations of not only the administration Berger served, but also the administration he proposes to serve.

Quite a few of the regular Rantburgers (Fred, of course, and Old Spook, are the two that come immediately to mind) have backgrounds in the intelligence field. I'd be very interested in your take on all this. What say you, brothers (and sisters)?
Posted by Mike  2004-07-20 9:59:22 AM||   2004-07-20 9:59:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 not a front page story in the WashPost, pg A17 bottom of the page in the NYTimes. As someone else (Captain Ed or Hugh?) noted: can you imagine how this would play if Condi Rice or Cheney were caught lifting classified documents? Front Page Special Edition!
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-20 10:01:16 AM||   2004-07-20 10:01:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 He's trying to spin it by saying he only stuffed his own notes down his pants and into his jacket, and supposedly "took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio."

That begs the question: Why didn't he put his notes into the portfolio too? And wouldn't his portfolio be checked upon leaving?
Posted by growler 2004-07-20 10:03:45 AM||   2004-07-20 10:03:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 from thatliberalmedia.com:

Perhaps this explanation will fly for those who have never worked around classified documents, but since I spent three years producing such material, I can tell you that it's impossible to "inadvertently" take or destroy them. For one thing, such documents are required to have covers -- bright covers in primary colors that indicate their level of classification. Each sheet of paper is required to have the classification level of the page (each page may be classified differently) at the top and bottom of each side of the paper. Documents with higher classifications are numbered, and each copy is tracked with an access log, and nowadays I suppose they're tracking them by computers.

Under these rules, it's difficult to see how anyone could "inadvertently" mix up handwritten notes with classified documents, especially when sticking them into one's jacket and pants. Furthermore, as Clinton's NSA, Berger would have been one of the people responsible for enforcing these regimens, not simply subject to them. The DOD makes these rules crystal clear during the clearance process at each level of access, and security officers (which Berger clearly was) undergo even further training and assessment on security procedures. "Inadvertent" and "sloppiness", in the real context of secured documentation, not only don't qualify as an excuse but don't even register as a possibility.

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Go to the site for more.
Posted by growler 2004-07-20 10:06:25 AM||   2004-07-20 10:06:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I worked in a classified environment for 20 years and find it damn difficult to swallow this story. Sonetimes whe we left a secure building we would encounter random searhces of our carried items (lunchbox, briefcase, purse, etc) and go help you if you accidently put something classified in them. FYI Senior officials are RARELY checked for 'loose' documents.
Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)  2004-07-20 11:19:47 AM||   2004-07-20 11:19:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 He sure seemed to be leaving the scene in an awfully gosh-darned big hurry to make such a mistake. Couple that with the fact that he knew fully well what the security protocol ought to have been. Someone must have been having a pret-ty hard day to screw up something that had been previously drilled into his head by the DOD.
Posted by eLarson 2004-07-20 11:41:50 AM||   2004-07-20 11:41:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Should also be obvious -- notes taken would also be classified if any classified info was contained in them.
Posted by virginian 2004-07-20 11:47:43 AM||   2004-07-20 11:47:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I cant find this story anywhere in MSNBC. ABC and CNN both are reporting this but MSNBC must not have gotten the memo.
Posted by Anonymous5870 2004-07-20 12:07:23 PM||   2004-07-20 12:07:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Found it... nevermind. It was burried under all the more important stuff like the hostage release and the Bush/Cheney Campain approaching $230 Mil.
Posted by Anonymous5870 2004-07-20 12:25:17 PM||   2004-07-20 12:25:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "Sandy Burglur": Rush

Stuffing steaks down ones pants is an ol' junkies trick. The celophaned wraped steaks slip easily under the waist and are wide enough to not slip down.
Posted by Lucky 2004-07-20 12:29:12 PM||   2004-07-20 12:29:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Lucky... Tube or Flank?
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-20 12:33:53 PM||   2004-07-20 12:33:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 UPDATE (2d): Moonbat World HQ is in a tizzy over this one:

I imagine that this morning Karl Rove and Karen Hughes arerubbing themselves raw over one line that appears in the story:

"Berger currently serves as an informal adviser to the campaign of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry."

By the time the two of them are done with this, Clinton will be responsible, Kerry will be responsible...I wonder how much BushCo paid Berger to be the "July Surprise."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

let's recall:
-the rethug controlled media.
-ashcroft's insanity.
-rove's dirty tricks.
-and perhaps most importantly:
all news about intelligence matters has a deeper, hidden truth.

berger's no idiot. he knew what he was doing because while they pretend otherwise, all intel people do shit like this, and all the time. i can't remember which one, but a recent former CIA director was busted with all kinds of unprotected files on his home computer that he wasn't supposed to have. there are other examples.

no, this stinks like a set up, and more. i'll wait for more information before i judge berger or the rest of the clinton team.
Posted by Mike  2004-07-20 1:10:19 PM||   2004-07-20 1:10:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 In case inadvertence is still an issue, Fox is now reporting:

"Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio."

Now, unless socks is a Clinton administration euphemism for a condom, it is pretty hard to see how papers could have gotten in them inadvertently. Oh, but only the leather portfolio was inadvertent. Now everything makes complete sense.

What was in the Archives that was worth risking this? The angle has to be domestic and must relate to wrong doing by some American official. Anything else could have been spun.
Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-07-20 1:25:59 PM||   2004-07-20 1:25:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 he hid classified info in his friggin socks! How could taht be inadvertant???
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-20 1:26:25 PM||   2004-07-20 1:26:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Remember the scene in Citizen Kane where the reporter is trying to dig up stuff on Kane's past that would reveal what Rosebud was all about? The smoke, the lights, the shadows. Why, Berger was just trying to be artistique, mes amis!
Posted by Michael  2004-07-20 1:48:04 PM||   2004-07-20 1:48:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I can only imagine now how Sandy is going to be probed...by an FBI proctologist.
Posted by Michael  2004-07-20 1:50:37 PM||   2004-07-20 1:50:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 I have handled classified documents as a military officer and civilian over the years.

I know of a Navy Reserve Officer who was taking a course a few years ago. He took classified documents to his hotel room to study for a test. He was caught bringing the documents back in (in a briefcase). He was subsequently courtmarshalled, sent to Leavenworth for 1 year, and given a bad conduct discharge. It ruined his life.

Berger should spend a least 10 years in Federal Prison becasue of crimnal intent.
Posted by anymouse  2004-07-20 2:49:30 PM||   2004-07-20 2:49:30 PM|| Front Page Top

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