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2004-09-02 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by FWTB-DLTR 2004-09-02 5:41:41 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I question that this guy really served, this smells fake. If he did, he probably got passed over and is nursing one heck of a grudge.

Posted by B 2004-09-02 7:11:20 PM|| 2004-09-02 7:11:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Don't know about his service, but Goff is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist and a very prominent rising star in lefty moonbat culture (google his name). He is much given to Marxian rhetoric such as "class populist."

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-02 7:39:29 PM|| 2004-09-02 7:39:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I'll take a swing at him....

You can take this article and apply it to almost every war America has ever had. It's almost a universal truth. (excluding the "all about the oil" parts)

The rich are the head honchos (High ranking Officers)the poor are the foot soldiers and most wars thereafter. Initially due to differences in education(IE: Revolutionary War)(Exceptions IE: Baron Von Stuben) Still got my "Blue Book" back home hehe.

The rich draftees in the Union States often paid some poor downtrodden schmuck money to take his place in the war.(Civil War)

Prolonged combat occurred in WWI through today. The phrases "Thousand Yard Stare"(WWI),"Shell Shock"(WWII), "Battle Fatigue"(WWII), "Operational Exhaustion"(Korea) and "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" (Vietnam) all were used to describe the same condition of mental trama that those young men experienced.
With all due respect, Vietnam Vets didn't corner the market on this. Their horrors were the first that were brought to the public's attention.
Unfortunately, they were all stereotyped as baby killers, druggies, and psycopaths. (Partial Hat tips to Hollywood, Jane Fonda, and John Kerry on that one)

Much of what he said I agree with, when I got back from the first Gulf War and started having (and still have) fatigue, short term memory loss, and bleeding gums, my fellow veterans and I were still treated like shit. The Army docs treated you like you were a con artist trying to scam a free paycheck. All I wanted was to get better. Lets really face the facts. $200 fricking bucks a month and a pat on the back isn't going to feed my wife and 2 kids. I gave up on the process. I'm waiting until I go back stateside.

I just feel he lost his credibility when he started the Bush bashing "all about the oil" and "It's all about oppression of Blacks, and the poor". Also, if he had picked up a paper once in a while he would've learned that now disabled vets can collect BOTH retirement and disability checks whereas before they couldn't "double dip". This and alot more money that Bush poured into the VA.

With that said...before you start the flaming me. Please do not think for one second that I'm one of those Gulf I Vets that actually wore a combat hash on his class A's sleeve afterwards.
Hell, my CIB is still buried under the Saudi sands seconds after the presentation were conducted upon learning that the Vietnam Vets in our platoon were not granted their CIB with star for their service. Nor do I pretend that the combat operations that I fought in puts me on the same level as a Vietnam combat vet. Let's face it, you had more time on the shitter in Vietnam than I did in combat and I stand humbled before you.

The hard truth is that our sense of duty called many of us to service and only until it's too late do we realize that war isn't a game or movie and that we are numbers on HQ's sheets. In one column one day, another the next. I mean no offense to the writer. He has every right to be angry. He's right they don't give a fuck about you. They love you so long as you can run and jump and fight, but lose an appendage and you're yesterday's news. Screw them, the people that DO matter were the ones to your right and left. People that you couldn't stand in times of peace became brothers in war. Yes, it's true the rich and politically powerful (with the exception of Pat Tillman) are (most often)not willing to do what we do or did, but that IMO is what defines a man. His moral courage and his character.

Sorry Fred, long and disjointed, but it's late and I just couldn't let him float some his goods just because he was a GB. I repect him for his service, but his Bush bashing watered down his argument.

Posted by 98zulu 2004-09-02 7:43:52 PM|| 2004-09-02 7:43:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 good points, It seemed also that he had additional problems added to his "post-traumatic stress disorder"...if that is true I feel even more pity for him. However thats just me prying. Nevertheless, 75th rangers-Fuck With The Best-Die Like The Rest

Posted by FWTB-DLTR 2004-09-02 9:35:17 PM|| 2004-09-02 9:35:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Bottom line is there are 2 types of people, those who can cope with what combat does to you and those who cannot.

No fault of their own - and no real difference during combat. It only shows up after the person is released from the pressure cooker.

My religion and strong anchor of belief are what got me through - that and staying engaged with certain activities, and not decompressing too fast and for too long. Plus my wife, more than anything, helped get me past the bad dreams, insomnia, the sudden smells I would swear were there (but they weren't), and stuff like that.

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