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2004-09-14 Europe

Daniel Pipes: French Dhimmitude vs. Nepalese Anger

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Posted by PlanetDan 2004-09-14 9:16:13 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 the Nepalese thereby made a repetition of atrocities against themselves less likely. And the French made such a repetition more likely.

agree about the French, but not about the Nepalese. DO the Jihadis in Iraq give shit about the lives of Nepalese muslims? I dont think so. In fact they may be happy to see pogroms against muslims, since it draws more muslims to their side. That seems to have been their strategy in Ossetia.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-14 1:42:49 PM|| 2004-09-14 1:42:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 LH, Agree about Nepal. And acts of unfocused violence may drive some of the remaining Muslims in Nepal into acts of domestic terorism. It is difficult to justify harming those not responsible for an act unless one is attempting the utter destruction of a society being held responsible as a whole as we did with Japan and Germany in WWII. We aren't there yet with Islam, but it's coming close.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-14 2:12:09 PM|| 2004-09-14 2:12:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Nepalese rioters had no other outlet for their anger. Inept crowd control by Nepalese authorities abetted the violence.

However the constant equivocation by Islam in re: the terrorist acts will breed more local incidents as the cockroach jihadis murder incidents.

What is the answer?

I am concerned about the houses of Muslim individuals being ransacked in Khatmandu. But, why, inspite of the logical arguements raised elsewhere above am I not shedding any tears about the Khatmandu Mosque being burnt to the ground?

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-14 2:19:31 PM|| 2004-09-14 2:19:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The answer is that the Mulsim leadership needs to get a clue and do something to stop the wackos they have raised before good people like you and me flip a bit and feel the same way about the treatment of the houses of the Muslims individuals as we do about the Mosque.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-14 2:38:25 PM|| 2004-09-14 2:38:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Lessee. I believe the Genocide Rate - 10,001 / month - has been established and agreed to, no?

So what is the atrocity quotient? When have enough atrocities, beheadings, Darfurs, etc. occurred, without a peep from Islam except mumurs about they, or you, deserved it cuz you support Israel or the phase of the Moon or because it's fucking Thursday, does it take to push one over the "it no longer matters" line?

Danny keeps halving the distance. Mathematically, that abstract place where pundits and experts live, he never arrives.

How about in reality, where we live?

Posted by .com 2004-09-14 2:47:41 PM|| 2004-09-14 2:47:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 does it take to push one over the "it no longer matters" line?

6 million of my people were murdered by Germans. I still dont approve of pogroms against germans. So at least 6 million dot com.
(now not worrying too much about collateral damage to a legitimate military attack is something else, and im pretty much already there, strategic considerations aside)

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-14 2:55:25 PM|| 2004-09-14 2:55:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 and all this time I thought "dhimmi" was a word play on Jimmy Carter and Democrats and being dim-witted.

But it gets even better than that - it's all of the above AND appeasement of the murdering hordes.

wow! The appeasement left discovers its ancient roots.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-14 3:02:53 PM|| 2004-09-14 3:02:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 LH - WTF? Grrrrrr. Nonsense post.

That was an "I'm so special" post. 6 million innocent people were murdered - and because of that Israel has deep strong support from most of us on RB, including me. Naziism was targeted without remorse and without pity. Collateral damage - hmmm... uh, is a series of city-wide firestorms a pogrom? Shitloads of Germans died - or don't you recall? You can dither with werdz if you like, but MASSIVE force was brought to bear upon Germany - ALL of Germany - to wipe out Naziism. And to make it so fucking painful to consider that Germany would never consider the option of allowing it to be reborn - ever again. Seems to me that they are doing just that. Pogrom? Gee, I dunno. Force, hard, brutal, unrelenting, and without pity. Yep. Did the trick.

You can prtetend that you have some special right to play a morality card - but you do not. You are no more privileged than anyone else here, sonny.

I reiterate my post #5.

Posted by .com 2004-09-14 3:09:46 PM|| 2004-09-14 3:09:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Special? geez i didnt meam to make this a jew thing. I coulda (and shoulda) said Roma and Slavs - you still get into the millions. Pogroms are still out.

Firestorms - geez, Dot com, now youre sounding like the lefties who have it in for bomber harris. And Ill respond to you the same way I respond to them lefties. Every bombing raid targeted industrial areas that were producing items of importance to the German war effort. The RAF and the USAAF NEVER deliberately killed Germans for revenge. The RAF in particular had accuracy problems (due to lack of the Norden bombsight) and so justified their raids strategically as "dehousing". Maybe this doesnt matter much on the ground, but its a HUGE moral difference, which is why throughout the war we took German prisoners, and ON THE GROUND, where distinction is intrinsically easier than from the air, we avoided killing German civilians. And we treated German prisoners well, BTW.

Lefties love to attack the morality of strategic bombing, since they know the US is the premier air power. And since strat bombing by its nature involves collateral damage. Thats the line the idiot left has been giving since 9/11. I never expected to hear it from you.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-14 3:18:00 PM|| 2004-09-14 3:18:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Are the Gurkhas from Nepal? If so I should think the British might want to go on a recruiting drive right about now.

Posted by rjschwarz 2004-09-14 3:24:33 PM|| [http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-09-14 3:24:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 And Curt over Japan? That was "dehousing" as well or bombing decentralized manufacturing? It was Total War. Germany and Japan were Shermanized. Arabia, Islam, somebody is asking for it and they're going to get it if they don't see that the minority of their population involved knocks it off and soon.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-14 3:28:48 PM|| 2004-09-14 3:28:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The rioting is quite understandable. An argument can even be made that it was appropriate save only for the violation to Nepal law. The rank and file of Islam must be brought to understand that they share in the guilt for what their religion / ideology is inflicting on the world. If they can't do the self evaluatioin thingy on their own accord, then liberal application of a nail studded clue bat may just be in order.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-14 3:29:08 PM|| 2004-09-14 3:29:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Mrs D it was bombing decentralized manufacturing. As for Sherman, he didnt even do that. Tore up some railroads, and burned alot of houses, and stole cattle and destroyed agricultural equipment. No pogroms, no sir. Sherman was wuss by the standards of some folk here.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-14 4:35:25 PM|| 2004-09-14 4:35:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 In terms of shedding blood he was a wuss but not in terms of waging total war against a civilian population, destroying a society. And he devastated every plantation he saw and fed his army off the land. He made Georgia scream. If we reach the tipping point with Islam, we should look carefully at Shermans marches. Instead of the plantations, we should hit the Mosques and Madrassas.

You can believe decentralized manufacturing. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and intended to. Besides, there was no other target left.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-14 4:44:37 PM|| 2004-09-14 4:44:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Armies had lived off the land for centuries before. And i again deny that the destruction of property is total war, by the standards of the 20th century.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-14 4:52:16 PM|| 2004-09-14 4:52:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 I'll agree, the 20th century has set the standard.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-14 4:58:44 PM|| 2004-09-14 4:58:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Love ya LH, but Curtis Lemay was intent on incinerating every last acre of metropolitan area in Japan. It had absolutely nothing to do with dispersed industry. Lemay was very much into killing Japaneese. There is no excuse for total war. There is also no substitute for total war.

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-14 6:15:24 PM|| 2004-09-14 6:15:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 French diplomats openly sought the support of terrorist groups such as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Can you say; Q u i d - p r o - q u o ? Very good, I knew you could.

There is no excuse for total war.

If there isn't now, there will be after the first terrorist nuclear attack.

There is also no substitute for total war.

To quote Oscar Wilde: "Nothing succeeds like success."

Or Josef Stalin: "Quantity has a quality all its own."

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-14 7:47:14 PM|| 2004-09-14 7:47:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I am not making excuses for the rioting and mob mahem that occurred in Nepal. However, the Muslims in Nepal needed to get up right away after the 12 Nepalese were murdered in Iraq and publicly condemn the atrocity. Especially the Imam at the mosque. The Nepalese, whether Bhuddist, Muslim, or whatever, need to stand together. As usual, the Muslims did not say jack boo, so the rest is history. Muslims have to start to clean up their act, or their act will be cleaned up for them, like TOTAL WAR. Time is running out, kiddies.

Posted by Alaska Paul in McGrath, AK 2004-09-14 11:21:11 PM|| 2004-09-14 11:21:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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