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2004-12-17 Israel-Palestine

Zionist entity to purchase two German submarines

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Posted by Fred 2004-12-17 00:00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "C-Wolf"

ROFL!!! Morons.

And they used "Zionist" 6 times. Bucking for a spot in the KCNA Spew Sweeps, methinks.

Posted by .com 2004-12-17 2:00:32 AM|| 2004-12-17 2:00:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Great catch Fred - a laugh a minute with this one! (my only regret is the friggin domain is associated with my country).

Let's take it in order;

1) Extensive use of the word 'Zionist' - check

2) Long-range missiles with nuclear warheads - we already knew about these guys (you listening Iran?)

3) Never heard of a 'C-Wolf' submarine. They might mean Sea Wolf submarines (US state of the art hunter killer - about 2-3 billion dollars a piece. Oh my gawd, they named one after Jimmah!!), but there's no way the US is going to sell them one of those.

4) Clandestine dealings with EU countries - check

5) Spittle factor - minor. Unusual for a Paleo 'press release'.

Here's an Israeli Navy link

Seems the missile on a Dolphin is a Harpoon. It's got a range of 60-150 miles and a warhead of 488 pounds (I guess a nuke could be made that size - thinking of the 'Davy Crockett' man portable nuke from the 50's here).

Another good site, with plenty of pictures, on the Dolphin where it's mentioned it could use the very definitely nuclear capable Popeye (great name!) missile, which has a range of 1500 kilometres.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-12-17 2:16:34 AM|| 2004-12-17 2:16:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The claim of Israel possesing "C-Wolf" (presumably Seawolf) class submarines is of course the kind of Big Lie that Eurabian propagandists now routinely insert into their material, usually in the midst of a mass of undisputed factual material to lend it credibility.

They learned this technique from American lefty academics, who have developed the "incidentally inserted lie" to an art form in recent years.
I find examples every day.
Today's is a claim by a lefty histori-liar at U-Texas that the Boeing XB-15 was widely used by fascist forces in the Spanish Civil War of the 30s. This demonizing tidbit is included as a note in a bibliography, and becomes part of the intellectual background noise of anyone who sees it. (In fact, US arms sales were embargoed during that period and only one XB-15 was built, ever. It stayed firmly in US hands until it was scrapped in 1945.)

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 2:44:07 AM|| 2004-12-17 2:44:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 And there are only 3 of the $2BN SeaWolf Subs - the program was cancelled with the Jimmah Cahtah being the last completed.

Posted by .com 2004-12-17 2:55:43 AM|| 2004-12-17 2:55:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Tony, 488 pounds is not unusually small for a nuclear warhead at all. The W-80used on US cruise missiles weighs around 280 pounds and could easily be incorporated into the Harpoon system (though there is no evidence of this being done). It is a thermonuclear device with a variable yield up to 200 kilotons.
The weight of the standard warheads for the Minuteman and Trident is apparently still classified but is unlikely to be much, if any, higher than that of the W-80.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 3:02:36 AM|| 2004-12-17 3:02:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Like any other good-size sub, the Dolphins have prodigious range. Armed with Popeye, they would allow the Israelis to hit Islamo-fascist targets in any part of the world.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 4:24:45 AM|| 2004-12-17 4:24:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 The whole world, AC, or just some of the more distant parts of the region?

Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-17 6:32:50 AM|| 2004-12-17 6:32:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 TW
The link provided by Tony gives a range of 8000 miles. From Elath on the Red Sea, this is enough to reach Pakistan in the east or as far south as Mozambique and Madagascar. From the Med, it could reach Europe as far north as Denmark or the west coast of Africa as far as Dakar.
Beyond that, refuelling at sea is not a difficult proposition for these vessels and would not necessarily require a tanker or other large vessel. There is also the strong possibility of overseas refuelling facilities being secretly arranged. A clandestine refuelling in the Indian Ocean (not hard to arrange at all) would easily bring Malaysia and Indonesia within reach. A one way transit with a stop in the friendly Phillipines would bring the western Pacific into the envelope.
So, yes, I think the whole world is within reach, or at least the relevant parts of it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 7:11:25 AM|| 2004-12-17 7:11:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Iron-Lion-Zion !!! couldnt resist !
Dunno why the paloes are screaming this one , they cant even fight on land , and most of em are scared of the water . Doubt they actually have a navy worth putting outto sea except for a few rubber dinghys and a speedboat or two .

Posted by MacNails 2004-12-17 7:19:49 AM|| 2004-12-17 7:19:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The Paleos are probably just trying to strengthen French support by conjuring up visions of sinister Zionist U-boats lurking just off St. Nazaire and prepared to lob missiles into the 4th Arrondisement at a moment's notice (could be true for all I know).

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 8:19:38 AM|| 2004-12-17 8:19:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Isn't that actually the "See Wolf" class? LOL

Posted by Dar 2004-12-17 10:25:51 AM|| 2004-12-17 10:25:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 C-minus. Very disappointing propaganda. Insufficient mention of fire. Writer seems unwilling to completely let go of reality. Put more passion in your work.

They need to work out an intern program with the North Koreans. Learn from the best!

Posted by Dreadnought 2004-12-17 1:37:33 PM|| 2004-12-17 1:37:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 AC - Next target, the Charles De Gaulle!!

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-12-17 4:24:18 PM|| 2004-12-17 4:24:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 DB. Kinda hard to sink a ship IN the drydock, no?

Posted by Brett_the_Quarkian 2004-12-17 4:32:27 PM|| 2004-12-17 4:32:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Actually, as the American experience at Pearl Harbour proved : no, you can "sink" a ship in dry dock. It is just a lot easier to recover than one sunk in the open ocean.

Posted by Whutch Jesh6119 2004-12-17 5:47:50 PM|| 2004-12-17 5:47:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Interestingly enough, the great drydock at St. Nazaire has famously been the target of anti-nazi forces in the past.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 6:51:10 PM|| 2004-12-17 6:51:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 The Israelis have a long history of buying German submarines, so this is no surprise. Their first subs were former NAZI Type-XXII boats from WW II. Remember, too, that Israel doesn't have to buy missiles from others. They have a very efficient missile development program. As for "Seawolf", the same designation was used on an advanced Tang class of US WWII submarines, so the information could be correct.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-12-17 7:49:40 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2004-12-17 7:49:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I think those were Zee Wolf Unterseeboots.
I think they are slightly modified with missle tubes and the addition of a Zionist deat rayâ¢ in dry docks in the secret Zionist naval base in India.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-17 8:08:58 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-12-17 8:08:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#19

As for "Seawolf", the same designation was used on an advanced Tang class of US WWII submarines, so the information could be correct.

Baloney. The Tang class was post-World War 2. An earlier Tang (SS-306 of the Balao class) had been commissioned on 15 October, 1943 and was lost in the Formosa Strait just over a year later.

The previous Seawolf (SSN-575) was the second US nuclear submarine, after the Nautilus. It was a class of one. It was decommissioned in 1987 and scrapped in 1997. Before that, the name was used on SS-197 of the Sargo class, launched in 1939 and lost in the Pacific around 3 October, 1944 (probably to fratricide).
Israel's first submarines were of the British "S" class from World War 2, Tanin and Rahav (ex HMS Springer and Sanguine, respectively). The S was a pre-war design and had no connection to the Type XXI. The next three Israeli subs were ex-British T-class boats, also of pre-war design and wartime construction. (One of these, INS Dakar, [ex-Totem] was lost with 69 men during its delivery voyage in 1968 and re-discovered just a few years ago).
The first German designed submarines used by Israel were the 3 Gal class, built at Vickers in the UK for the IDF in the 70s. This is a 1960s design (Type 206A) and quite different from the XXI.
The three Dolphin class currently in use are of recent German design and construction.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-12-17 8:39:31 PM|| 2004-12-17 8:39:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Whatever you do don't buy used subs from the UK. :D
Just ask Canada :p

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-17 8:46:16 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-12-17 8:46:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Doesn't help when you're running on the surface, in high seas, with the hatches open...

Posted by Pappy 2004-12-17 10:16:20 PM|| 2004-12-17 10:16:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 The instructions didn't indicate that was a bad idea apperently :P
Sanity would indicate otherwise however one would think.
Batteries + sea water = bad

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-17 10:52:57 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-12-17 10:52:57 PM|| Front Page Top

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