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2004-12-22 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by Fred 2004-12-22 00:00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 First they run from Gaza, then they run from the "West Bank", then they run from Tel Aviv, after the FINAL SOLUTION comes to them in the form of millions of Arabs invaders calling themselves refuges. What a great idea! For thousand of years we Jews were told to get out of all the countries of the world, back to your land, and when finally we did it!(with G-d's help) now the whole world wants us to go back to where? Maybe Germany?

Posted by LENA 2004-12-22 10:22:23 AM|| 2004-12-22 10:22:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 to a secure Israel, Lena. You'll not find Israel's supporters stronger elsewhere than RB, but reality is, the isolated settlements will become death traps.

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-22 10:47:04 AM|| 2004-12-22 10:47:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I still think that if there ever is a Paleostinian state and peace in the Middle East, Israel's going to become Greece.

Fred,
could you elaborate on that?

Posted by EoZ 2004-12-22 10:54:47 AM|| 2004-12-22 10:54:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 LENA-We are on Israel's side on this website, for the most part. We want Israel to stay a strong state and recognize that Palestinians have not contributed anything to their part of the Peace Process, it's true. But realistically, do you imagine that there will be peace in Israel if you deny how that land became Israel, the state, in our lives? There will have to be sacrifice of some land on Israel's part. It is the gift they give their children for the future: Israel's dignity restored, its peace returned, and its loved ones' lives saved to worship as they choose from that day forward.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-22 10:56:21 AM|| 2004-12-22 10:56:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Jules,
I appreciate your concern and good will.
Do you really believe in this Utopia ?
I remain suspicious of Arab and Islamic motivation and trustworthiness in the near-medium time range.
The reason I believe we should withdraw from Gaza
is that it is strategically not worth the effort.
And it will enable us to be more stubborn when the real vital issues (like refugee right of return and west bank settlements) are being negotiated.

Posted by EoZ 2004-12-22 11:12:22 AM|| 2004-12-22 11:12:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 EoZ-I don't imagine that that Arabists and Islamicists have admitted to themselves that their idea of the great Palestine, at the expense of the state of Israel, is over. Nonetheless, it is. "Good faith"? Non-existent. They must prove they have moved beyond their violent indoctrination. Their disgraceful actions will take years to heal.

However, I would point out that either people living in that land who cling to all of the land because of "divine right" will deliver lots of more dead people. That is not the goal, but that is the path that stubbornness has set for now.

How do two mutually hostile and mutually mistrusting people can share the exact same land? They don't, at least in our lives. The land will not remain intact if there is to be peace. That is my point.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-22 11:30:01 AM|| 2004-12-22 11:30:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 become Greece

1. Become an undistinguished Med democracy?
2. Become a major tourist destination?
3. Join the EU and lean anti-US? Get in bed with Serbs and Russians?
4. Have rapid economic growth?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-22 12:08:32 PM|| 2004-12-22 12:08:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 5. Produce airhead commenters who destroy threads?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-12-22 12:12:45 PM|| 2004-12-22 12:12:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 6. Successfully host the Olympics?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-22 1:04:31 PM|| 2004-12-22 1:04:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 LH and Mrs. Davis,
thanks for the clarifications.
I hope at least some of these things wont happen
even though I wouldnt mind #4 and #6 personally.

Posted by EoZ 2004-12-22 2:52:50 PM|| 2004-12-22 2:52:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 If you mean by successful that nobody got shot, blown up, or beheaded, then yes. But didn't the Greeks take a financial loss?

Posted by Pappy 2004-12-22 3:51:12 PM|| 2004-12-22 3:51:12 PM|| Front Page Top

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