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2004-12-27 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by Glereper Thigum7529 2004-12-27 8:53:05 AM|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Let them push towards IT. It will easier to spy on them. All the routers & switches with IOS, contain bugs, that can be compromised, by experts in the U.S. and Israel. A lot of these bugs will never be documented.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-27 9:42:37 AM|| 2004-12-27 9:42:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Which US companies helped them with it?

Posted by Capt America 2004-12-27 9:56:32 AM|| 2004-12-27 9:56:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 sure - I'll feel secure on a Chinese-run net

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-27 10:56:33 AM|| 2004-12-27 10:56:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Folks:

IPV6 is a US internet standard that changes in some trivial way how internet nodes are addressed. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the number of potential IP address will be 65636 to the 6th power, a very large number.

China is only adopting IPV6 as its standard and is getting a jump on the rest of the world when we will all have to switch over to 64 bit computing.

Posted by badanov 2004-12-27 11:04:20 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-12-27 11:04:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Capt America,

Cisco is the major player.

badanov & Frank,

No need to panic. Unless there is total breakdown of internet backbone here in the U.S., we are not going to be on a Chinese run NET. China is ONLY adopting IPv6 within their private university backbone. IPv6 is NOT valid on the public Internet worldwide backbone. China is not getting a jump ahead, actually, as usual, they are just catching up. There are currently existing private backbones here in the U.S and Israel that has already implemented IPv6, for a long time now. Cisco is just using the Chinese universities as a large experimental network for IPv6. The reason U.S. has NOT implemented IPv6 in the public Internet backbone, is because, contrary to popular belief, we are NOT running out of ip addresses(IPv4).

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-27 11:46:41 AM|| 2004-12-27 11:46:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 lol - nobody's panicking...and I still would rather not use a Chinese run sub-net...

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-27 11:52:17 AM|| 2004-12-27 11:52:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 There's a description of IPv6 and how it relates to other protocols in my old book TCP/IP Blueprints - and probably online in some accessible writeup, but I'm using an ancient Mac with dialup connection at the moment so can't easily go searching.

We haven't run out of IP addresses in part because we tend to let a single server or router represent a whole lot of users to the public Internet. My guess is that any Chinese IPv6-based routers will have a number of intentional "bugs" and that they will map IP addresses more directly to end hardware, making surveillance easier.

Posted by too true 2004-12-27 11:58:47 AM|| 2004-12-27 11:58:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 When are the US companies going to figure out that the ChiComs are only interested in reverse engineering of their products before they cut them out of the profit picture.

ChiComs by nature lack innovation, so they have to steal it.

Posted by Capt America 2004-12-27 4:44:15 PM|| 2004-12-27 4:44:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The US doesn't have a "monopoly on the Internet". Not on the protocols and certainly not on their implementation. What the US has is disproportionate content and Internet application resources that people around the world want to connect to along with the most varied and robust commercial infrastructure for hosting and delivering the bits and successful business models for creating the bits. This is a matter of free market economics and network (economic) effects. Government fiat has nothing to do with it. The article also conflates IPv6 with network throughput. IPv6 has nothing intrinsic that makes networks go faster than IPv4. This is a fast network because it is a private network that is managed end to end, that's all. The real magic is when you get universal connectivity between disparate networks. That's the difference between the Internet (capital I) and an internet, which is a discrete network that uses the IP protocols.

Other stuff:

The IP address exhaustion scare is over. We've gotten much more clever at allocating IPv4 addresses and doing translation between public and private address spaces. I'm sure the Chinese want more public addresses and believe it is their due. They probably think of the current allocation scheme the way that Muslims think of democracy: a Western Jew racket. On their own networks the Chinese can run whatever damn protocols they want. Even the carrier pigeon protocol. The main thing is that their networks interoperate with the broader Internet.

The move to IPv6 will be gradual and most folks won't even notice it. New network gear generally supports IPv4 and IPv6 concurrently. Even my residential ISP will soon allow me to advertise an IPv6 address for my DSL connection. Not that I can think of any compelling reason why I'd want to.

The high end Chinese routers are from Huawei. It is cloned Cisco hardware running stolen Cisco IOS code. So whatever bugs are in IOS, they are in Huawei's gear as well. Unless Huawei fixed some bugs and weren't nice enough to give the fixes back to Cisco.

This was your basic B.S. article.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2004-12-27 7:38:28 PM|| 2004-12-27 7:38:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh, and as another thread observed, the Chinese are world beaters when it comes to running machines with open relays (very helpful for spammers) and providing no questions asked hosting for spammers (also very helpful). Lot's of fed up mail administrators reject *all* inbound mail from Chinese netblocks on the proven theory that what's coming in is spam and nothing that their users want.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2004-12-27 7:48:15 PM|| 2004-12-27 7:48:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Rantburg U, indeed. Thanks loads, CL. Trailing Daughter and I giggled madly about the technicalities of avian carrier technology.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-27 10:53:04 PM|| 2004-12-27 10:53:04 PM|| Front Page Top

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