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2005-03-03 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2005-03-03 09:16|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 In many cases, fathers -- and sometimes even mothers -- single out their youngest son to do the killing, Boehmecke said, "because they know minors will get lighter sentences from German judges." In some cases, these boys are revered by their community and fellow inmates as "honor heroes" -- a dementedly skewed status they carry with them for the rest of their lives. Currently, six boys are serving time in Berlin's juvenile prison for honor killings.

A concept obviously eluded 5 of 9 members of our esteemed Supreme Court this week. We can look forward to such events in the US soon too.

Posted by Shiter Spoluper4654 2005-03-03 9:36:51 AM|| 2005-03-03 9:36:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Germany doesnt have a death penalty for ADULTS. Ergo, this shows that a long prison sentence IS an effective deterrent.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-03-03 9:58:07 AM|| 2005-03-03 9:58:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 LH - say what? It doesn't have a death penalty for youths either. Since that's not the choice: death vs long sentence, I believe that's a non sequiter

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-03 10:14:45 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:14:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 SS said: they chose to use a youth cause a youth gets a lighter sentence. He went to say that abolition of youth death penalty means more use of youths for this in the US, since they now face a lighter penalty than adults. This may be so - but its interesting that in Germany its not Death vs Long sentence, as it will be here, but long sentence vs shorter sentence - ergo the longer sentence DOES serve as a deterrent, as compared to a short sentence. In other words, SS has made a case for not giving a significantly lesser sentence to youth, NOT specifically an argument for the death penalty.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-03-03 10:35:20 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:35:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Liberalhawk, way to go! I love perfetly circular arguments! They are so.... wholesome! And with some straw added in the mix... yum!

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-03 10:35:35 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:35:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Basically SS's original post was silly - the fact that the difference between a long sentence and a short sentence makes terrs in Germany choose to use youths says NOTHING about the impact of abolishing the youth death penalty.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-03-03 10:37:12 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:37:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 not to strain the OT here too much, but youths are sentenced in CA (and IIUC in most states) to up to age 25 max now in CYA detention. No life sentence if the death sentence is also off the table. Youths are already being recruited to do hits, since they face, at most, 10 (+/-) yrs in prison for a cold-blooded killing. Our Europhilistic progressive SCOTUS justices just F*&KED regular Americans over. Defend yourselves, Americans, stay armed and willing to use it, it's the wild west again

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-03 10:42:59 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:42:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 thats the choice of the states in question. Theyre free to give life sentences to youths IF they choose - the states that are affected by the SCOTUS ruling are precisely those states most likely to implement life sentences for youths. As for the wild west again, crime rates have been decreasing for several years (the decrease that started under Clinton has continued under Dubya, so this aint a partisan thing) and the decrease has taken place in BOTH red states and blue states, BOTH death penalty states and non-death penalty states.

For the record, I think the SCOTUS decision was poorly argued, and id prefer that youth death penalty be abolished by state legislatures, NOT by SCOTUS decision, but screaming that this will lead to a huge increase in crime is just silly. Youth executions were not that common prior to the decision anyway.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-03-03 10:49:06 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:49:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 and id prefer that youth death penalty be abolished by state legislatures,--

Did that kid deserve it? Is there no crime heinous enough? He was almost 18, it's not a magic #.

Posted by anonymous2u 2005-03-03 11:19:08 AM|| 2005-03-03 11:19:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 It's not called CYA anymore Frankie, they're called Youth Correctional Facilities. If these kids (who are men by the time they're 18) stay in YCF until their 25th birthday and have recieved a life sentence, they'll go to state prison and finish their sentence. Most of the murderer's there are gang-related and have killed rival gang members. For the most part, they don't involve "civilians". So, why execute them? They need guidance. They get out and take blue-collar jobs we need filled. It should be the state's decision. Glad it's not yours. And it'll always be the Wild West, it never left.

Posted by shellback 2005-03-03 11:20:27 AM|| 2005-03-03 11:20:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 --"The Whore Lived Like a German"--

If they don't want to live like Germans, then they should be put on a plane w/a 1-way tkt.

Posted by anonymous2u 2005-03-03 11:20:28 AM|| 2005-03-03 11:20:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 How can such a horrific and shockingly archaic practice be flourishing in the heart of Europe? Wait'll you find out what other "horrific and shockingly archaic practices" this 'peaceful' culture has in store for you. A2U has the right solution.

Posted by GK 2005-03-03 12:45:12 PM|| 2005-03-03 12:45:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 shellback: So, why execute them? They need guidance.

Nah - they need to be fed to sharks in the Pacific Ocean.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-03-03 3:20:31 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-03-03 3:20:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Even mad dogs can be puppies.

Posted by Raptor 2005-03-03 4:37:31 PM|| 2005-03-03 4:37:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 They get out and take blue-collar jobs we need filled

They can work in the galleys.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-03 4:51:45 PM|| 2005-03-03 4:51:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 More to the point Raptor, even Mad Dawgs were puppies.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-03 4:52:34 PM|| 2005-03-03 4:52:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Get 'em when they're young.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-03 4:53:24 PM|| 2005-03-03 4:53:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 they need guidance. You're so yester-century - shellback. I tell you what. We'll rent a house for them right next to you. And you can be their mentor.

What's that..you don't like that idea of living next to murderers, rapists and thugs? Oh I see, you don't mean YOU will do it, you meant someone else. How liberal. We'll have the government create a mommy for them, to nuture them back to good boys and girls. But not you....someone else. Besides, it's ok to put them in those neighborhoods where they came from, cause those poor people don't mind - right? They just don't know whats good for them and even if they do, they don't matter in the big picture .....like caring and kind you do

Posted by 2b 2005-03-03 5:02:46 PM|| 2005-03-03 5:02:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 You are joking, right, shellback? Part of the problem with the gang culture that no longer hides in the projects in the inner cities is the pleasure they take in drive-by shootings and similar behaviours, that in other countries are called terrorism. And, noticeably, most of those killed by the flying bullets are civilians, most often children -- the kind who would likely otherwise have been trained up to be society's blue collar workers. The gang culture has unfortunately moved well beyond West Side Story, and by the time these kids get as far as murdering others, they are too often so twisted as to be unreformable.

Oh, and I'm sorry about the drugs thingy you mentioned yesterday. I can't though -- doctors are so insistent until they consider their little projects complete, y'know -- but I will give up that 1/2 glass of wine I overindulge with once a month. Promise!

Posted by trailing wife 2005-03-03 9:29:48 PM|| 2005-03-03 9:29:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Shellback is free - with your safety and liberty. typical REMF

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-03 9:53:21 PM|| 2005-03-03 9:53:21 PM|| Front Page Top

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