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2005-08-14 Britain

Revealed: how MPs allowed Euro defence treaty through Parliament without a vote

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Posted by anonymous2u 2005-08-14 01:26|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Well I know we are going to have to go it on our own sooner or later. It appears sooner is the probable outcome. I don't think we should be astounded.

The TRANZI proclivities of Europe don't favor it's survival. That they thought to keep this secret isn't that big a deal. Why would they want to publicize that instead of weapons programs they will be engaging in welfare programs. That they are reducing the sizes of their military to a size that can't provide for their own defense. Well I think we have inherited all we can of their culture and have the best and most useful of their gene pool. So so long, nice knowing you. You can have our TRNAZIs if you want them however.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-08-14 02:17|| 2005-08-14 02:17|| Front Page Top

#2 ... is this the end of their involvement in Joint Strike Fighter?

Posted by Edward Yee 2005-08-14 04:20|| http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]">[http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2005-08-14 04:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Edward-
You know, I hadn't thought of that before. I'm guessing that if all of this is true, then the other shoe will drop in a month or three at most. THAT will put us in an almost untenable position re the F-35, because all the numbers have been based on significant RAF/RN participation from the beginning.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-14 09:40|| 2005-08-14 09:40|| Front Page Top

#4 The British will continue with JSF. Only the JSF and Harriers will be able to operate from their two future carriers (no catapults) and only the JSF will have the performance to defeat aircraft in the 2010-2030 timeframe. The JSF will not suffer from low build rates. It's export potential has barely been scratched.

British EU spending is most likely being redirected to a common EU comms and C&C suite. Remember, European armies are 1-2 generations behind the US in comms and C&C and can't really operate in the same battlespace anymore.

Posted by ed 2005-08-14 11:15|| 2005-08-14 11:15|| Front Page Top

#5 Which will be even more true if they use the Galileo constellation rather than GPS.

Posted by leader of the pack 2005-08-14 12:00|| 2005-08-14 12:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Euro rapid-reaction with who's airlift assets? Hell, they cannot even take care of a domestic in their own back yard, re: the former Yugoslavia.

The Chicoms may not be world class in their military, but they have the big picture. The Euros do not know what REAL spending is in order to build up a credible military.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-08-14 15:36|| 2005-08-14 15:36|| Front Page Top

#7 They will attempt to use this to increase employment among whitecollar workers. And will spend a lot of tax monies to do it.

Posted by leader of the pack 2005-08-14 15:37|| 2005-08-14 15:37|| Front Page Top

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