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2005-10-24 Europe

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Posted by too true 2005-10-24 08:20|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Reuniting the Church would indeed be a historical event of great importance. It'll still take 20-50 years to complete, if it happens at all.

Posted by gromky">gromky 2005-10-24 08:45|| http://communistposters.com/]">[http://communistposters.com/] 2005-10-24 08:45|| Front Page Top

#2 Not to be conspiracy-oriented, but I do believe that the (all in all recent) secularization of Western Europe is mostly voluntary.

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IMHO it's due to the shift to the left undergone with the 60's "revolution" (the Frankfurt school's neo-left and its engineering of all the "isms" in the name of the marxist notion of "progress"); Atomic Conspiracy's idea of the embrace of so-called counterculture by the mass media certainly fits in that process.

Add the disastrous Vatican II, the 60-70's influence of communism and free masonry in Catholic church (I'm not being conspiratorial either, french catholic hierarchy is quite influenced by freemasonry, see for example the masonic symbols-ridden Evry new cathedral, or the fact that bishops are designated by the interior minister, who is always a free mason), and you've got a *very* ill Church, with lots of recruitment problems, while for example the traditionalist catholic movements who still use the Pie V liturgy are full of young people and offer many seminarists. Note that traditional catholics in France still have LOTS of babies, 5-6 is not uncommon.

Also, in France there is a "tradition" of atheism and anticlericalism enforced by free masonry, (the main Fm lodge in France is atheist and socialist in a "3rd Republic kind of way", not to mention deeply associated with trotskysts), while traditional anglosaxon FM are deist and conservative.

All in all, I'm not talking about "satanic forces", but rather of a culture war lost by the Western civilization (destroying western civilization to let the "progress" triumphes was/is one of the main aim of marxism) in western Europa, while it still is raging in the USA.
I take this was easier in Europa because democracy was there built against "tradition", in tabula rasa revolutions, while in the USA it was built on it, following the example of GB.

This vaccuum is very sad, because what was supposed to fill it was itself a lie and a failure, IE marxist Paradise on Earth.

Now, there is only hedonism, materialism, nihilism (hence the lack of life and babies), and in the near future, islam.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-10-24 08:49|| 2005-10-24 08:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Damn, my "conspiracy mode on" tag has been swallowed by Rantburg!

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-10-24 08:50|| 2005-10-24 08:50|| Front Page Top

#4 If unity means the Eastern Orthodox churches adopt or accommodate the suicidal policies of the Western Euro churches, then I advise them to run away as fast as they can.

Posted by ed 2005-10-24 09:05|| 2005-10-24 09:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Not likely they'll go that way. The eastern churches are pretty well rooted even after communism.

Posted by raised Eastern Orthodox 2005-10-24 09:16|| 2005-10-24 09:16|| Front Page Top

#6 Dumb idea that would only alienate the faithful of each tradition and fail to attract the current unfaithful. Each church has been around a long time with a long tradition of surviving good and bad times. This too shall pass. A consolidation would be an indication of industry contraction.

Posted by Omerert Pholing8181 2005-10-24 09:34|| 2005-10-24 09:34|| Front Page Top

#7 The big problem in Europe was with State religions the state chose each church's pastor and paid for the church. To be successful a church should be an enterpise subscribe to by its members.

Put another way the EU churches are welfare states. The US churchs live or die like workers and companies.

They have welfare disease.
It's that simple.

Posted by 3dc 2005-10-24 10:08|| 2005-10-24 10:08|| Front Page Top

#8 The Freemasonry influence is at the heart of the conspiracy stuff regarding Calvi's murder in from Blackfriar's Bridge and Marcinkus', "God's Banker", trial involving the Vatican bank and the Mafia. The tidbits about French cathedrals is interesting, as these ecumenical conferences have been hosted in Lyons. All the negative press has them hurting for funds, I suspect, and the hierarchy is accustomed to quite a lavish lifestyle. The true gospel is free.

Posted by Danielle 2005-10-24 10:20|| 2005-10-24 10:20|| Front Page Top

#9 A big flaw in Xtianity is its willingness to try and co-opt pagan rituals. Ironically, in trying to subvert paganism, it has preserved paganism. Even in middle Europe, many rural towns still boast maypoles, and their Xtian holidays are as blended with paganism as is voodoo.

In northern Europe, the stern-jawed and unpleasant state-sponsored Protestant Xtianity is dying, and the Asatru (Aesir) gods and goddesses have idols in increasing numbers of residences.

The irony is reserved for those who see Xtianity as the only force capable of restraining Islam. In a way, this is true, but only in Africa, where Anglicanism is making major inroads against the Moslem.

In Europe, cultural forces and secularism itself stands against them. Their pacifism and multiculturalism are deceptive, for unlike Americans, who are generally moderate about these things, Europeans tend to vacillate between this pacifism, as one extreme, and barbaric xenophobia on the other.

In time, I would not be surprised seeing the continentals behaving towards Moslems much like the Serbs did in the Balkans' war, not too long ago.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-10-24 10:47|| 2005-10-24 10:47|| Front Page Top

#10 One religion is growing much faster, and its adherents are true believers.

Nihilism! Fight over who will be pope though.

Posted by Master of Obvious 2005-10-24 10:53|| 2005-10-24 10:53|| Front Page Top

#11 Big churches, like big governments and big businesses, are removed from the needs of their adherents. The Islamic faith follows the franchise model (as does evangelical christianity) and is more successful these days. Of more interest than consolidating churches is the fact that U.S. evangelical churches are now establishing missions in Europe, just as they have in Africa and Asia for centuries.

Posted by DoDo 2005-10-24 12:47|| 2005-10-24 12:47|| Front Page Top

#12
Forget Catholic, forget Orthodox, forget all the schisms, if who ever is standing in the pulpit is preachin straight from the Bible and not from Political Correctness, something strange happens. More people in that church's neighborhood start showing up. No matter what part of the planet that church sits on.

Works everytime.

Posted by RG 2005-10-24 14:22|| 2005-10-24 14:22|| Front Page Top

#13 the idea of a universal Christian church --

and let me guess, he'll get to wear the big hat!

Posted by 2b 2005-10-24 14:28|| 2005-10-24 14:28|| Front Page Top

#14 Screw god believers of all stripes. Jesus Christ is nothing but the name of a dead parasitic lazy bum, whose pacifism nearly brought down the West. Civilization stagnated until religious wars forced Europeans to set up Secular States. The current "faith based" occupation, will be lifted and our enemies will be destroyed.

If the White House was not being run by a platitudinous religous crackpot, then Western grievances against Eastern barbarism would be channelled against Koranimal savages. A war against Muslim terror cannot be won when a US President denies that jihad conscription bounds 100% of Muslims, to terror war.

Rantburgers who celebrate the subsidized Islamism of Afghanistan and Iraq, would do well to take off their "faith based" blinders, and add up the costs and benefits of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on those 2 demographic garbage dumps. You write off bad investments; why not write off useless people?

Last dig: hey pious prayer monkeys! Given that the light flowing from some distant stars was generated 3 billion light years ago, how can creation have occurred a couple of years before the Egyptian pyramids were built? Hmmm...why do I suspect ad hominen thinking?

Posted by Vlad the Muslim Impaler 2005-10-24 21:35|| 2005-10-24 21:35|| Front Page Top

#15 thanks Vlad - rot in hell

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-24 22:19|| 2005-10-24 22:19|| Front Page Top

#16 Gosh Vlad, thanks. Your blinding wisdom has caused me to see the light. I will denounce all ideas of faith, hope, charity and forgiveness right this moment and demand that all Muslim grandmothers, grandfathers, mothers, fathers, and children who live peaceful lives be burned at the stake this very moment. And then why stop there? let's burn all the God believers to make the world safe for the pure and holy non-believers such as yourself.

Posted by 2b 2005-10-24 23:07|| 2005-10-24 23:07|| Front Page Top

#17 nice close-minded bigotry on your part means all submissions and comments gets the IDIOT treatment...thanks for the "bright light o' exposure".

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-24 23:12|| 2005-10-24 23:12|| Front Page Top

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