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2006-07-29

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Posted by Seafarious 2006-07-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Doublethink lives.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-07-29 00:30|| 2006-07-29 00:30|| Front Page Top

#2

hell talk peace 24/7,

BUT don't stop Israel, Keep that can of whoop-ass open...

Posted by RD 2006-07-29 00:55|| 2006-07-29 00:55|| Front Page Top

#3 ohh, it is open sensei. It is open.
Ahh, grasshopper.

Posted by newc">newc 2006-07-29 01:25|| 2006-07-29 01:25|| Front Page Top

#4 You guys are such boneheads I love watching you all toss your opinions around like you know what¡¦s going on. I¡¦m a capital projects engineer for one of the majors (oil producers that is). Israel has been trying for years to get this oil and gas (two-phase) pipeline from Turkey (originating in Kazakhstan). Lebanon and Syria have been opposed to it for years. They thought they would be able to get it through Iraq, but alas no go. Oh, how convenient, TERRORIST IN Lebanon. I¡¦m disgusted at myself; I make tons of money from this shit. It¡¦s Blood money. Turkey is now going to be the peace keepers in Lebanon-how convenient. This war is a joke. Oil is power, Germany didn¡¦t lose WWII³ It ran out of gas. If you idiots had any brains, you¡¦d see what is really going on. The US has to get that energy at any cost. That is the reality. I live for oil and have for many years, it¡¦s my livelihood. So that is what¡¦s going on. We are killing people for power, not for some kind of moral high ground--plain and simple. If you¡¦re going talk all this bull at least you can do it knowing its bull. Isn't nice to know your murdering for power rather morality. Just thought I'd fill you all in.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 02:55|| 2006-07-29 02:55|| Front Page Top

#5 LOL. Thanks for ~~spewing~~ dropping by. I feel your ~~dementia~~ pain. BTW, you're the ~~whore~~ hero of this thread. ~~Fuck you~~ Thanks, again.

Posted by cruiser 2006-07-29 03:01|| 2006-07-29 03:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Mike: Why spend so much on a "war for oil" when we can just buy a couple tankers full and ship it to Israel and the problem will go away for years?

Oil is cheap. War is expensive.

Now go get some counseling for that ego of yours that is hiding behind your guilt. ;-)

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 03:17|| 2006-07-29 03:17|| Front Page Top

#7 My G*d will you f*cking trolls get over the war for oil sh*t it is so 2003.

Posted by djohn66 2006-07-29 03:35|| 2006-07-29 03:35|| Front Page Top

#8 Whatever dude I voted for Bush.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 03:39|| 2006-07-29 03:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Well good for you, but what does that have to do with you sounding like an idiot.

Posted by djohn66 2006-07-29 03:46|| 2006-07-29 03:46|| Front Page Top

#10 "I¡¦m a capital projects engineer for one of the majors (oil producers that is)."

Translation from moonbatese to sane speak: He lives with his Mother. At 50.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-07-29 03:50|| 2006-07-29 03:50|| Front Page Top

#11 Hell everytime the price of oil goes up my rate goes up. This has been the best thing to happen in my career. I was all for the Iraq war. Only three majors were allowed to do E&P there (Total, Luk, and the Chinks). We had to get those strategic reserves out of their hands. I'm just telling it like it is. Oh, by the way, logistic and economics make a pipeline work out. If you have to build a marine terminal, unfortunately it doesn't make much sense, especially when you have to depend on Arab sources. Therefore Caspian sources are more reliable. Basically, war starts in middle east and there goes your crude supply.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 03:53|| 2006-07-29 03:53|| Front Page Top

#12 If your next key punch is distillate supply?? Distillate supply is totally unreliable. Europe won't sell them distillate. And the America has barely enough for us. The Isrealis are boxed in and they know it.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 03:58|| 2006-07-29 03:58|| Front Page Top

#13 Mike: Have you anything to say about comment #6, or are you still trying to cobble up some way it fits your theory? Or are you going to sidestep the issue by substituting up to world supply now?

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:03|| 2006-07-29 04:03|| Front Page Top

#14 You think oil is cheap you're about to get schooled in the US how cheap Oil is. BHAHAHAHA!!
Chavez is selling 20% of our crude supply to India and China. Iran just set up a bourse to sell crude in Euros. All crude used to be traded in dollars. Russia and Chavez are already joining up. That was the only thing propping up the dollar. Every country had to buy $$'s before they could buy oil. That means the $$ tanks and you can buy even less oil.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 04:04|| 2006-07-29 04:04|| Front Page Top

#15 BTW: Nobody gives a $hit how much money you make except you, and it doesn't substitute for expertise. Hell, you could be some college Freshman who makes money getting Greenpeace petitions signed for a living. Talk sense, and people here will listen.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:06|| 2006-07-29 04:06|| Front Page Top

#16 How much does a tanker of oil cost?

So far everything you have said I have seen on the internet in one form or another. I'm still not impressed.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:07|| 2006-07-29 04:07|| Front Page Top

#17 A college freshman doesn't know what API gravity is? Give me a break.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 04:12|| 2006-07-29 04:12|| Front Page Top

#18 Must be out on the internet looking for the capacity of a tanker before he multiplies by the price of oil before all this hit the fan.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:13|| 2006-07-29 04:13|| Front Page Top

#19 What's API gravity. I'm not a college Freshman. :-)

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:14|| 2006-07-29 04:14|| Front Page Top

#20 I specialize in Heavy crude upgrading. I've worked for have the independant in the US a couple majors and two EPC (Engineering Procurement and Construction) (i.e. Bectel & Fluor) in the gulf.

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 04:16|| 2006-07-29 04:16|| Front Page Top

#21 Nice try poser.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2006-07-29 04:16|| 2006-07-29 04:16|| Front Page Top

#22 Y'know, son, you can post all you want about your expertise, supply, political and economic shifting sands, etc., in the awl bidness. We all know about our fields and could, if it were relevant, do the same. Yawn.

What makes you "speshul" is this:
"We are killing people for power, not for some kind of moral high ground--plain and simple."

Define "power". Then justify your idiocy. What you've posted since #4 is stuff we can get from 20 different people here. Be constructive and informative or fuck the fuck off. We get trolls spewing just like you every day.

Bonehead.

Posted by cruiser 2006-07-29 04:16|| 2006-07-29 04:16|| Front Page Top

#23 Are you accepting your pay in Euros or Dollars? :-)

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:18|| 2006-07-29 04:18|| Front Page Top

#24 Iraqi scalps, I bet.

Posted by cruiser 2006-07-29 04:21|| 2006-07-29 04:21|| Front Page Top

#25 Unfortunely, you don't know if you have cancer until a specialist like Oncologist tells you.

By for now gargoyles

Posted by Mike">Mike 2006-07-29 04:21|| 2006-07-29 04:21|| Front Page Top

#26 Bye, poseur.

Posted by cruiser 2006-07-29 04:21|| 2006-07-29 04:21|| Front Page Top

#27 I specialize in Heavy crude upgrading. I've worked for have the independant in the US a couple majors and two EPC (Engineering Procurement and Construction) (i.e. Bectel & Fluor) in the gulf.

Here's how I read this:

I specialize in blah blah blah. I've worked for have the [sic] blah in the US a couple blah and two EPC (blah blah & blah) (i.e. Bectel & Fluor) in the gulf.

What does this mean in English? And how does it drive home your point? It's not going to help many others here, either. But you knew that when you wrote it.

You started saying that this war was so Israel could get oil. I say a tanker or two a year would be a lot cheaper than going to war.

Are you trying to say something other than what I think?

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:22|| 2006-07-29 04:22|| Front Page Top

#28 Well, Mike ran away, so I will say a couple of things. Every nation has so much in reserves right now to my understanding that they are having tankers do circles before they come in to top off another tank.

Distillate supply in Israel? Israel's got a refinery or two of its own. Not a problem.

Mike isn't the only player out there, there are plenty of advisors on Wall Street, and they don't seem to be too afraid.

Personally, he seems to know some things, but not as much as he's claiming.

As for me, I'll continue to hold dollars for now.

Nighty nighty, Mike. Gotta bone up for that exam, I assume. :-)

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 04:29|| 2006-07-29 04:29|| Front Page Top

#29 For some reason people who work in oil and gas are prone to this kind of quasi-conspiracy thinking. A friend of mine in O&G infrastructure is intelligent and well informed, but he has some really bizzare conspiracy thinking about how secret deals and machinations in the O&G business drives world events.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-07-29 05:40|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-29 05:40|| Front Page Top

#30 Goodness, I'm even more glad that Mr. Wife didn't take that job with Exxon when he got his BS/Chem.E. Clearly I would like what he would've become, even aside from living in parts of the world not fond of nice, little Jewish girls whose fathers are Israeli war heroes.

Chavez is selling 20% of our crude supply to India and China, quoth dear Mike the oil man. He's gone native in a bad way, it appears, besides being a consummate ass. A pity -- he was probably kind to his mother in his youth.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-29 07:16|| 2006-07-29 07:16|| Front Page Top

#31 Dude, you're going to have to pick a new handle. I got here first.

Posted by Mike 2006-07-29 07:57|| 2006-07-29 07:57|| Front Page Top

#32 Kazakh oil was limited to pipelines through Russia and then tankers through the Bosporus, but recently I believe the new pipeline was opened across Turkey (though perhaps the eastern extension is not open yet.) Why would Israel want a pipeline through its enemy Syria (and maybe also Lebanon) when it could run coastal tankers a few hundred miles? Even if the did manage to defeat Syria and make them a colony to host such a pipeline it would be subject to constant sabotage - if they really, really insisted on a pipeline instead of tankers they could lay it through the Med cheaper than fighting an unending war.
As a heavy crude upgrader, Mike's talents should be in very high demand in Alberta, where the tar sand minds are expanding like crazy. Similar projects are very possible in Venezuela if they can get their economic and political systems functioning - China may help them out, but at this point it would not be the most efficient path. China is cultivating and fertilizing Chavez shamelessly, because it needs a stable oil supply, and to 'distract' the US; they're doing the same with Iran and Kazakhstan. Long-term the latter make better sense for Chinese supply and Venezuela for US, just because of the substantial difference in transportation costs - if a government insists on selling to a less efficient market for political purposes it is going to eat a big hunk of that increased cost in price offsets, and thus make less money (meaning less cash flow from which to steal.)

Phil_b - I'm in the O&G business too and I don't see all these bizarre corporate conspiracies - though lobbying for favorable political decisions is standard practice (cash-assisted lobbying is frowned upon, even internationally, but I don't doubt it goes on at some level.) As far as the Iraq War being about oil - it is, but not about Iraq oil. Iraq has a good deal of oil, and good potential to find and develop more, but its real significance is as a fulcrum for moving the other big boys in the region - KSA and Iran. From the perspective of fighting the war on Islamofascism those two were as big or bigger problems than Iraq but 1) there was no legal 'excuse' for attacking them, 2) there was no logistical base from which to attack them, and especially 3) the developed world economies were too dependent on their oil to risk attacking them. The War on Islamofascism is intimately connected to oil so whatever is done to fight that war is going to simultaneously be 'about the oil'.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-07-29 08:12|| 2006-07-29 08:12|| Front Page Top

#33 Bectel
You'd think he'd know how they spell their name...

Hell everytime the price of oil goes up my rate goes up
That might be true for this "Mike", but I *know* it's true for Ahmedineedablowjob in Iran. And every time he opens his cakehole about Israel, up goes the price.

Posted by eLarson 2006-07-29 08:26|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2006-07-29 08:26|| Front Page Top

#34
" I specialize in Heavy crude upgrading."

Yes, but can you put together an intelligible sentence? yawn So far, it doesn't seem as if you have impressed anyone here, Mr. Capital Projects Engineer.

You should go back to glueing together the pages of your Dad's old Hustler magazines. Buh Bye!

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 08:40|| 2006-07-29 08:40|| Front Page Top

#35 if you're an engineer why haven't you leaned how too use an apostrophe yet?

Posted by honkey 2006-07-29 09:10|| 2006-07-29 09:10|| Front Page Top

#36 Chavez is selling 20% of our crude supply to India and China. Iran just set up a bourse to sell crude in Euros.

Hey let's do a PEEK OIL THREAD! Wheeeeee! New versions of black heliocopters, Bilderburgers, Trilateralists and triple K morons from the heartland. Thank you visting Mike for reminding us of our inner kook.

Posted by 6 2006-07-29 09:25|| 2006-07-29 09:25|| Front Page Top

#37 Hey Honkey, engineers do math, english majors do apostrophes. :>)

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-07-29 09:41|| 2006-07-29 09:41|| Front Page Top

#38 engineers also have too take english in school

Posted by honkey 2006-07-29 09:56|| 2006-07-29 09:56|| Front Page Top

#39 Either that last comment was an embarassing mistake or it was a nicely subtle response. One or t'other. LOL

Posted by lotp 2006-07-29 09:59|| 2006-07-29 09:59|| Front Page Top

#40 If Chavez is selling "20% of our crude supply to India and China", why the hell was he having to buy oil from other (more expensive) sources to fill contract requirements?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-07-29 10:11|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-07-29 10:11|| Front Page Top

#41 Hey Honkey, engineers do math, english majors do apostrophes. :>)

And remember there are 3 kinds of engineers: those who are good with math and those that aren't. ;-/

Posted by eLarson 2006-07-29 10:21|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2006-07-29 10:21|| Front Page Top

#42 "You guys are such boneheads"..."Just thought I'd fill you all in."

Intros and money shots often reveal the motivation. This appears to be a classic example of that theory.

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-07-29 10:30|| 2006-07-29 10:30|| Front Page Top

#43 If Chavez is selling "20% of our crude supply to India and China", why the hell was he having to buy oil from other (more expensive) sources to fill contract requirements?

He was an English major.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-29 10:54|| 2006-07-29 10:54|| Front Page Top

#44
"Hey let's do a PEEK OIL THREAD!"

I have a better idea, why don't we do a PEAK OIL THREAD instead!

English, so hard, for so many.

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 11:11|| 2006-07-29 11:11|| Front Page Top

#45 English, so hard, for so many.

As long as I can type the url of porn sites and understand the pics descriptions, I'm satisfied with my fluency in english. I'm the kind of guy who has low expectations about himself.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-29 11:14|| 2006-07-29 11:14|| Front Page Top

#46 "As long as I can type the url of porn sites and understand the pics descriptions, I'm satisfied with my fluency in english. I'm the kind of guy who has low expectations about himself."

A worthy aspiration. Seriously though, I make allowances for individuals where English is their 2nd language, but not so much for those that should know better. You at least are able to communicate your meaning.

There's nothing like the peace of mind that comes from diminished expectations, is there?

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 11:26|| 2006-07-29 11:26|| Front Page Top

#47 Manolo buddy, english ist my frist and only language, I'll abuse it as i SEE fit. ARe you understand? Or do I need to make fun of your kooky semi fascist comments?

Posted by 6 2006-07-29 12:27|| 2006-07-29 12:27|| Front Page Top

#48 You've faded badly Manolo. Rerun city. Nicely parsed but boring as always.

Posted by 6 2006-07-29 12:38|| 2006-07-29 12:38|| Front Page Top

#49 the oil thread

Ima gl'dus.. does itum count that I werked for Raymond International, Morrison-Knudsen, Healy Tibbitts, the Bechtel ppl waay back doin the oil thangy in North Africus..

I like Ike and eng'lish

Posted by RD 2006-07-29 13:30|| 2006-07-29 13:30|| Front Page Top

#50 Wow, this was a nothing thread until Mike jumped in. I don't think he's 100% correct, but he's not 100% wrong. The Bushes are oil men. Cheney, as one of their major flunkies is too. Supposedly, good ol' Dick was subdividing the Iraqi oil fields during that meeting in his office. Why does anyone think the Brits sided in on Iraq ? They wanted to get back into southern Iraq where their oil interests were. Do you see them helping on Israel-Leb ? Hell no. Blair is bleating in Bush's ear for an immediate ceasefire. Everyone in this game is there to make their own money grab. Did we give a damn about OSB or Taliban ? Or did we want to enable the pipeline thru Afghan ? Karsai's 1st duty...sign off on pipeline right-of-way. Also, we could site bases along the Iran border. Did we do it ? You bet your ass. We have a lot of oil in Gulf and along west coast shelf areas. We just need to get it. Why do you think Bush is kissing Mexico's (I would ahve said Fox, but he's just one pawn among many) ass? Why does his brother spend majority of his time in Mexico City ? We all know the oil reserve potential Mexico has. We all know that they themselves are incompetent to develop it. Why is there this push to evolve this One America's idea ? This goes from Mexico to Canada. Think it may have anything to do with energy development ? Also lets all corporations totally gut unions and move all jobs to Mexico. All new GM & Ford vehicles will be built in Mexico and shipped duty free right into US. All maritime shipping is going into massive ports developed in Mexico. Again, trans-shipped via revitalized railroads duty free into US. Those lucrative dock worker jobs in So. Cal will be greatly diminished, if not totally gone. So Mike is right. There are linkages. Never think men are doing things for the goodwill of other mankind. Never happens. Just spend some time reviewing history.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-07-29 13:35|| 2006-07-29 13:35|| Front Page Top

#51 Everyone in this game is there to make their own money grab. Did we give a damn about OSB or Taliban ?

0 beJesus & beeDamned, ima out of this thread...

Posted by RD 2006-07-29 13:49|| 2006-07-29 13:49|| Front Page Top

#52
"#47 Manolo buddy, english ist my frist and only language, I'll abuse it as i SEE fit. ARe you understand? Or do I need to make fun of your kooky semi fascist comments?"

And you abuse it so well! There is nothing "semi" about my fascism. Make fun all you like, I could use the entertainment.

"#48 You've faded badly Manolo. Rerun city. Nicely parsed but boring as always."

Huh? Faded how? I must have used the wrong cycle. I'll take nicely parsed and boring over unintelligible any time. It is difficult to take someone seriously when their prose is so badly garbled, even if their argument has merit. Language is the tool we use to communicate, and when the tool is dull I assume the user is too.

HAND!

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 13:58|| 2006-07-29 13:58|| Front Page Top

#53 Does Israel even have enough demand to make an oil pipeline worth it? I would suspect not. Their power plants run off coal I believe, so there's no real urgency driven by that. It's not like their economy deals with huge industrial demands, either. They even have solar-powered water pre-heaters on top of all their housing! What they would need it for mostly would be maybe asphalt, heating, and transportation.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 14:06|| 2006-07-29 14:06|| Front Page Top

#54 If Mexico has so much oil, worst case is I'm sure they'd invite us in to develop it for them. It would bring them a ton of money, which they could obviously use. It makes no sense to sit on it.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 14:09|| 2006-07-29 14:09|| Front Page Top

#55 I worked in the oil business for a bit - in seismic data processing and as a geophysical technician. It's a crazy business.

Hezbollah is getting its a$$ kicked in southern Lebanon. They're firing Katyusha rockets like they're cheap, and costing Iran a bundle, with little to show for it. Sure, they want a cease-fire. Hudnas are great for islamonutcases. Let Israel continue to dismantle hezbollah's capabilities for a couple of more weeks, THEN agree to a peace plan that requires ARMED, COMPETENT SOLDIERS on the Israel/Lebanon border, with ROEs that allow killing hezbollah "warriors" attempting to re-establish a southern Lebanon presence. Otherwise, the entire operation is a waste of time, treasure and blood.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-07-29 14:13|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-29 14:13|| Front Page Top

#56 Fact:
- There is enough oil in the ground in Alberta and WY/CO to fuel the US for decades. The only thing they need is NG to drive the distillation process. That's why AK NG and NG from the McKenzie River Delta is so vital.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2006-07-29 14:19|| 2006-07-29 14:19|| Front Page Top

#57 I thought PEEK OIL THREAD was nicely ironic. Got a smile out of me anyway.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-07-29 14:22|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-29 14:22|| Front Page Top

#58 anymouse: So you're suggesting not being able to drill in Alaska has been holding up the process of becoming energy independent? Why would we let a bunch of environmentalists stand in the way? Reclassify them as terrorists and move forward! :-) Just kidding about the terrorist thing. I recycle, too!

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 14:22|| 2006-07-29 14:22|| Front Page Top

#59 I gotta disappear for a while. The electrical outlets are telling me I might be abducted by aliens unless I hide in a culvert in the park down the road for a few hours and make barking sounds.

Posted by gorb 2006-07-29 14:24|| 2006-07-29 14:24|| Front Page Top

#60 Manolo doesn't do Irony. It's two dam difficult.
Language is the tool we use to communicate, and when the tool is dull I assume the user is too.
;> Nice cheap shot plagerizer.

Posted by 6 2006-07-29 14:31|| 2006-07-29 14:31|| Front Page Top

#61 I gotta disappear for a while. The electrical outlets are telling me I might be abducted by aliens unless I hide in a culvert in the park down the road for a few hours and make barking sounds.

Gorb, watch out for the bunny rabbits. They're plotting to ambush you while you're alone in that culvert.

:-)

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-07-29 18:34|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-07-29 18:34|| Front Page Top

#62 I gotta disappear for a while. The electrical outlets are telling me I might be abducted by aliens unless I hide in a culvert in the park down the road for a few hours and make barking sounds.

Gorb, watch out for the bunny rabbits. They're plotting to ambush you while you're alone in that culvert.

:-)

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-07-29 18:35|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-07-29 18:35|| Front Page Top

#63 I am a verbal who married an engineer. I wasn't actually an English major (math and dance, with all my spare time spent reading whatever didn't manage to run away first, but I hated the analyses used in English department, and as it turned out I was a high-functioning non-mathematician with a science jones). In my considerable experience, most engineers can spell when they remember to run the spell check program *and* manage to choose the correct alternative -- that's why for the more difficult words there is a standard spelling and a scientific spelling -- or when a verbal type runs a quick eye over it before it goes out. Some engineers are trainable; some are only interested in efficient communication, which spelling and minor grammatical errors do not impede; and some type as fast as they think, which leads to a charming but independent set of errors (see our darling muck4doo for an extreme example of clear thinking coupled with significantly overclocked fingers). So for the subset of humans involved in the mathematics-related disciplines, spelling and grammar are not indicators of clarity of thought, no matter what your Second Grade spelling teacher said. Even if it drives me personally crazy, especially the typos I commit when I get tired.

No, Mike the oilman's failures in this thread are independent of his verbal/written lacks (he probably says, "Between you and I," too -- and the justice system of this country refuses to shoot people for that!!!). Manolo dear, I believe Mr. 6 is, in one of his incarnations, a teacher of writing and thinking skills. His errors are nicely calculated to get the most bang for his typing buck.

And some quibbles: first for Mike the oilman, who doesn't seem to know that Nazi Germany was synthesizing oil from coal. If Germany ran out of oil, that was one componant of their defeat, along with losing all territory to invading Allied armies, and having almost all their infrastructure, both military and civilian bombed to bouncing rubble.

Second, Israel is, to the best of my knowledge, one of the most energy efficient societies around these days. They have, amongst other things, the highest square footage of solar collectors per capita in the world, intense conservation of water, and high usage of public transport.

As for Hizb'allah, let them sue for peace after being completely defeated-- nothing less should be acceptable to anyone. And Lebanon can darn well sign a proper, enforceable peace treaty as well, one wherein it is clearly stated that the entire country will be held culpable if anything like this is allowed to happen again. The IDF is getting lots of quiet help, apparently, from Lebanese who disagree with Hizb'allah's choices -- in the current world environment that is going to have to become overt. A visiting friend told me today his personal fear after watching developments over the last few years from his standpoint in a small town in central Pennsylvania is that the Muslim world will force us to kill them all. The gentleman in question is not a Rantburg reader, in fact he isn't politically active at all as far as I know, and yet he on his own came to this conclusion. It's clearly getting near time when the Muslims and the Arabs, both here and there, are going to have to openly show which side they are on -- the Lebanese can go next.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-29 23:18|| 2006-07-29 23:18|| Front Page Top

#64 yeah/>lpolllmjom

Posted by honkey 2006-07-29 23:40|| 2006-07-29 23:40|| Front Page Top

#65 i thin i knoew everhan but since i MISPLESDD IT i'm right'

Posted by honkey 2006-07-29 23:41|| 2006-07-29 23:41|| Front Page Top

#66
"...is that the Muslim world will force us to kill them all."

There is no doubt in my mind that we will be forced to kill them all, or most of them anyway.

"It's clearly getting near time when the Muslims and the Arabs, both here and there, are going to have to openly show which side they are on..."

I think they have already done that. Except, the left, (media, intelligentsia...etc.) and our politicians are refusing to listen. How many times do they have to say that they intend to kill or enslave us all before our high and mighty political class believe them?

Sheesh, I'm going to bed. Good night.

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 23:54|| 2006-07-29 23:54|| Front Page Top

#67
Honkey huh? The term suits you, no really, it does.

Say hi tour sister/wife, or is it wife/sister.

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 23:55|| 2006-07-29 23:55|| Front Page Top

#68
Damn it! tour = to your

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-07-29 23:56|| 2006-07-29 23:56|| Front Page Top

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