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2006-10-23 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-23 06:53|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 You know, for all of CAIR's bitching, and for all of the other problems America's society has, I had a feeling that the radicalism is . . . well, less of a problem here, though not for a lack of efforts on the part of the multiculturalists and the CAIRites. Despite the best efforts of the fifth column to change what America is, it remains a country which anyone can come and integrate if they so choose.

That's not to say that we don't have any problems with sleeper cells - I'm sure there are more than enough to keep the counter-ops guys busy for years, and I know for damn sure that when I see a sheet-clad woman walking the streets I get the urge to remind her that no one can put her down like that in my country. But I feel sure that, for the moment, anyway, America has a far better chance than Europe when it comes to dealing with the Muslims in her midst.

Posted by The Doctor 2006-10-23 08:49|| 2006-10-23 08:49|| Front Page Top

#2 Thing is,I want to offer my solution to the Islamic Cancer..Destroy it,before it destroys us all! Can anyone Argue against my Point? only an uninformed Fool would disagree with me?

Tell me world,Which is the worse,Killing a few Million Dangerous People,Or allowing them to Kill maybe 50-10 million of innocent lives? Work it out? The koran should have been Banned long ago-It Pure evil.

we need to Declare war on Islam itself,As True Muslims Follow it Founder right?i mean,if you can't Follow the leader,What the Point in the Religion then?
It Founder,don't even want to Name Him Here,He was founder of the most Tyranical Idology ever fonded..God loves People,he sent His Son to Die for the World,But Islam Contradicts the God of the Bible..He,The god of Islam,is the Very Devil in DISQUISE..People,Jesus said we would know them by their Friuts..Just look at the Islamic World right throughout their History?They have always been the Religion of the Sword.. I Say Death to this Evil Religion,that is Inspired by the Very Devil Himself..
Chris
uk

Posted by Angaiper Angeater1515 2006-10-23 09:50|| 2006-10-23 09:50|| Front Page Top

#3 It's the Protestant work ethic, we're too busy.

We're not exactly joiners, either.

We want to be left alone and to trade w/the world, we moved here to get away from our lunatic, tribal relatives.

And don't underestimate what the world believes to be true, we all have guns and will use them if we have to, and enjoy it.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-10-23 12:42|| 2006-10-23 12:42|| Front Page Top

#4 Chris in UK:

It's one thing to sadly decide as some here have that we have few options other than banning Islam from Western countries. Or to recognize that the militant Islamacists are provoking a major war we may not be able to put off engaging.

It's quite another thing to talk about "destroying" Islam at the cost of "a few million" people, as you do here and elsewhere today.

There are roughly 1.5 billion Muslims globally. That is 1500 Million people, or approximately 1/4 of the world population. Many of them are women and young children.

By all means, air your concerns but understand that Rantburg is not a place where genocide is discussed lightly.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-23 12:50|| 2006-10-23 12:50|| Front Page Top

#5 We all know what might have to be done, Chris, we just don't have to talk about it.

Besides, grab them by the short hairs, the rest will follow.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-10-23 12:58|| 2006-10-23 12:58|| Front Page Top

#6 From my experience muslims in UK prefer the Welfare state to working!!!!

Posted by Choluque Grens1160 2006-10-23 14:05|| 2006-10-23 14:05|| Front Page Top

#7 It's one thing to sadly decide as some here have that we have few options other than banning Islam from Western countries.

lotp, why is this such a "sad" thing? Islam, as it is practiced in much of the world, outrightly prohibits or violently discourages the presence of any competing religions. I think that Islam should be given a two or three year (maximum) grace period to begin allowing for religious freedom in all Muslim majority countries. If after that time, any or all of those countries refuse to permit religious freedom or do not duly enforce against any intimidation or coercion shown to non-Muslim practicioners, then we should go about banning the worship of Islam in countries that do provide for freedom of religion.

Islam's violent intolerance of other faiths combined with its consistent goal of theocratic global government make it a political ideology and one that is completely incompatible with Western freedom as we know it. We have no obligation whatsoever to permit the spread of such seditious filth in our constitutionally governed nations.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 14:25|| 2006-10-23 14:25|| Front Page Top

#8 I feel a little bad when my T-cells finally wipe out the virus invaders. It's prolly cuz they're like natural-born killers.

Both of them.

But, hey, if it's them or me, well... I'm selfish that way.

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 14:29|| 2006-10-23 14:29|| Front Page Top

#9 The last major demonstration of discontent was the LA Riots about a dozen years ago. [Campus and athletic wins/loses not counting]. Even then things quieted down quickly when federal forces were deployed and, note well, it did not spread outside specific neighborhoods in any major way. Why? Could it be because the citizens of the United States are probably the third or fourth largest armed body in the world? Rads may believe the authorities are constrained on responding to perps homes and families, but its another thing to provide that trigger moment to general public. You slaughter my women and children and watch my self control. Here, take the stick and poke it, see what happens.

Posted by Procopius2K 2006-10-23 14:37|| 2006-10-23 14:37|| Front Page Top

#10 I told a friend of mine there would never be carbecues in America like in France because if some yoots tried to burn someones car here there is going to be a gun battle right on the street between the owner and yoots.:)

Posted by djohn66 2006-10-23 17:06|| 2006-10-23 17:06|| Front Page Top

#11 the citizens of the United States are probably the third or fourth largest armed body in the world?

I'd bet the largest. By a long distance. The NRA has four million members. They are also copiously armed with lots of ammo. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there's more ammo in the hands of the civilian American people than under the personal control of all the soldiers in the rest of the world combined.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-23 18:03|| 2006-10-23 18:03|| Front Page Top

#12 Zenster, you are kidding, right?

Forget the obvious "I don't want any guvmint employee determining what religion I could follow" or the "Founding Fathers" argument.

I refuse to give Islam the appearance of being a belief so powerful that we are afraid to let anyone practice it openly. I do not believe that we would be any safer if we had it's practitioners, as misguided as they are (especially the Western-born women converts), forced to celebrate their faith surreptiously as Christians and others have to do in Muslim lands.

I want them out in the open. I want to track the truly dangerous ones and make the rest assimilate, even if it is only partially and halting at best. I'll be damned if we give any of their slimy hardliners (and that includes CAIR) any true justification for "victim" status. Do not give them any excuse to hide in the shadows.

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-10-23 19:10|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ] 2006-10-23 19:10|| Front Page Top

#13 I don't mind if they (hardliners, softliners, goatliners, anyliners) hide in the shadows... of the Kaaba. Just not in the US, thanks.

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 19:20|| 2006-10-23 19:20|| Front Page Top

#14 I refuse to give Islam the appearance of being a belief so powerful that we are afraid to let anyone practice it openly.

Being "afraid" has nothing to do with it. Refusing to allow the existence of a fifth column within our borders has everything to do with this.

Permit me to cite a really simple example. Please try, for the moment, to do the impossible and put aside any consideration of Islamic terrorism. Now consider the many Muslims who came to America in order to escape repressive cultures or tyrannical governments in their countries of origin. Any of them should know damn well just how important freedom of speech is as it represents a cornerstone of religious freedom as well.

One question. Here in freedom loving America, where were the mass demonstrations by Muslims in support of Denmark publishing the Mohammed cartoons?

Do a Google search using; "American Muslims support Denmark's publication of cartoons".

You do not get a single hit identifying any American Muslims protesting in support of free speech. What does this connote?

It means that the vast majority of Muslims in America look forward to the day when a principal constitutional right will be overturned in favor of protecting thin-skinned Islamic sensitivities. Christians are (appropriately) supposed to put up with "Piss Christ" without trying to permanently censor all American art. Yet, the entire Muslim community is, as always, conspicuously silent when it comes to standing by their adopted nation's individual rights.

To me, this means only one thing; We have a significant segment of our population that has ZERO interest in upholding American constitutional rights and, instead, will most likely work covertly to undermine them with an undeclared agenda of imposing sharia law nation-wide.

Our country is better off without such ungrateful bastards stabbing us in the back.

Now, factor in the past five years worth of Thundering Silence by Muslims regarding the universal unacceptability of terrorism and the scope of this threat to America becomes even more clear. Please do not bother to cite the very few and insubstantial demonstrations that did occur. The dearth of major protests coinciding with every atrocity subsequent to 9-11 is damning evidence that American Muslims tacitly support international terrorism.

We need to give Islam one very brief chance to turn itself around and then begin dismantling its outposts world-wide. Free people have no use for such a noxious and abusive sub-culture in their midst. An immediate ban on wearing of the hijab and burqa would go a long way towards identifying the non-integrating Muslim members of our society. We need to do this right away and begin deporting these potential threats to the public's well-being.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 20:42|| 2006-10-23 20:42|| Front Page Top

#15 I'll put it another very simple way. We track down and deport or imprison any known Nazi war criminals. Unreformed Muslims are just another breed of genocidal Nazis. Why should we put up with them in our midst? Feel free to point out a single instance where an American Muslim has turned in a jihadist imam who was preaching death to all Jews at the local mosque. I challenge you to identify a single instance of this. A Google search on "American Muslim turns in jihadist imam preaching at mosque" turns up nothing.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 20:55|| 2006-10-23 20:55|| Front Page Top

#16 We track down and deport Nazis convicted of crimes.

You're proposing to deport people solely based on their beliefs.

There's a big difference, Zen.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-23 21:00|| 2006-10-23 21:00|| Front Page Top

#17 You can create all sorts of Google searches guaranteed not to get many hits.

Moderate muslims were central in the arrest and deportation of radical immigrants in Brooklyn and I believe elsewhere as well. The Brooklyn case got some publicity, as it was the imam who provided some key information to police.

Posted by lotp 2006-10-23 21:02|| 2006-10-23 21:02|| Front Page Top

#18 Zenster, to use one of your own examples, I don't recall any Christians protesting in favor of "Piss Christ" or any other affront to our faith. I sure as hell didn't participate either way, so what would you say about me? That I supported the protesters or that I supported the so-called "artist's" right to freedom of expression? (Correct answer....neither. I was offended, but didn't see the point in a public temper tantrum over that "artwork" or the one that supposedly had the Virgin Mary covered in elephant shit that came out around the same time.)

If I wasn't going to protest in favor of the "artist's" right to freedom of expression for something like that, I don't expect Muslims to support something that offends them, no matter how incomprehensible it may be to the rest of us why they are offended.

What I do expect is for them to not demand that the offenders be beheaded or tortured. And even though some very loud Muslims did call for that to happen, especially in London, the overwhelming majority did not join in. That was especially true here in America. Sure, there were protests in Noo Yawk, and San Francisco (what won't they protest there?), but for most of the Muslims in this country, they did bupkis.

It sure beats a car-b-que or rioting in the streets a la Francaise.

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-10-23 21:36|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ] 2006-10-23 21:36|| Front Page Top

#19 Whoo-fricking-hoo. That's one case in over FIVE YEARS. At that rate, weeding out all of these pesky Saudi financed Wahhabist jihadi imams should only take about a million years.

I tried to select Google searches that would cover a broad base. See if you can come up with a better search terms that delivers more substantiating hits. Don't you think the MSM would have been all over such events like white on rice so that could trumpet how Muslims are our bestus friends?

If the MSM is silent about such things, you can probably bet they aren't happening. Again, feel free to show me some more productive searches.

You're proposing to deport people solely based on their beliefs.

When those particular beliefs potentially include sedition or treason, I'd say there's plenty of reason to demonstrate a healthy interest. Care to imagine just how much zakat flows from American Muslims into jihadist coffers?

I'll note that you have not responded to my observations about the lack of demonstrations corresponding to the numerous Islamic atrocities subsequent to 9-11. Nor are you taking me up on how there were no domestic Muslim demonstrations in support of Denmark's freedom of speech.

Don't these glaring deficits in Muslim response to central issues of national security and constitutional rights ring any alarm bells for you, lotp? They certainly do so for me.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 21:40|| 2006-10-23 21:40|| Front Page Top

#20 Frankly, Zenster, I'd be more inclined to deport YOU than this Imam:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1129587,00.html

I think you've been preaching more hate and intolerance than he has.

Posted by Darrell 2006-10-23 21:41|| 2006-10-23 21:41|| Front Page Top

#21 What I do expect is for them to not demand that the offenders be beheaded or tortured. And even though some very loud Muslims did call for that to happen, especially in London, the overwhelming majority did not join in.

Were I a member of a putative religion that is coming under so much fire, I'd certainly consider being quite active in disassociating myself from lawless or violent adherents. I'd also be rather concerned about being seen as silently consenting to that which is breeding up some of the most evil and vile crimes against humanity in decades.

To paraphrase what that Spanish journalist said:

At some point silence is no longer just consent. To remain silent is to lie.

The magnitude of horroendous atrocities being visited upon our world by Islamic terrorists has turned continuing Muslim silence into a lie.

Finally, I'll add that neither of you are taking .com to task for espousing some of the exact same ideas that I have. Funny, that.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 21:50|| 2006-10-23 21:50|| Front Page Top

#22 I think you've been preaching more hate and intolerance than he has.

I can only suppose you have intentionally neglected to notice where I advocate giving Islam a period in which to reform itself. I'll freely admit having problems accepting the existence of a group that has no problem with institutionalized abuse of women to the extent of it being flat-out Abject Gender Apartheid. Don't you?

If I truly hate Muslims, why am I not advocating the immediate killing of them all? Have you bothered to notice how, (unlike others at this board), I consistently come out against first use of nuclear weapons against MME (Muslim Middle East) countries? Or is that something that runs counter to how you're trying to ~~paint~~ tar me?

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 21:58|| 2006-10-23 21:58|| Front Page Top

#23 you're picking fights with the wrong people, Zen. Time for a reflection break?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-10-23 21:58|| 2006-10-23 21:58|| Front Page Top

#24 Thank you for some input, Frank, but I hardly see how I'm picking any fights. I have asked people to please explain their positions and I am standing up for what I think is right, while protesting being singled out, being taken out of context or simply being intentionally mischaracterized.

I'll cheerfully admit that I find it extremely odd how, lotp, as a woman, feels compelled to come to the defense of a putative religion that promotes Abject Gender Apartheid. If challenging that is picking a fight, then I'm guilty as charged.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 22:15|| 2006-10-23 22:15|| Front Page Top

#25 WTF?

Lololol.

Poor loquacious Zenster. You're guilty of incessant verbosity. You hardly see? Lol. Somebody (besides me) gets fed up, truth-tells, and you're all hurt 'n shit. Lol. You post at least 10x the tonnage of anyone else here, greatly magnifying the target size.

Suggestions:
1) be far more selective about where and when a tirade is due
2) show some sense and just STFU once in a fucking while
3) don't be repetitive - we get it already; many got it before you came, in fact
4) be generous to others - without repeating what they said
4) wait until you actually have something new to say; it's been a long fucking time
5) take your lumps for being a loudmouth one-trick dick; learn a new trick
6) don't whine when you get the attention you crave - just cuz it's negative... picky, picky

The Endless Faux Direness that has become so tedious here is largely your gig.

Stop using me - I'm not your foil nor your shield nor your excuse nor anything else to do with you. You are responsible for what you post - leave me out of it. It's chickenshit - you're a chickenshit for doing it. I generate - and deal with - my own grief, thanks.

I actually try not to repeat myself endlessly. I don't post if my point has already been made - and that happens at least 30x per day. And most folks, except for a recalcitrant few curmudgeonly types, know I'm exceptionally lovable, cuddly, 'n stuff.

This response is for trying to use me, like some whiny-assed juvenile blame-game punk, shithead.

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 23:05|| 2006-10-23 23:05|| Front Page Top

#26 And most folks, except for a recalcitrant few curmudgeonly types, know I'm exceptionally lovable, cuddly, 'n stuff.

Hey! I ~~represent~~ resent that!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-10-23 23:18|| 2006-10-23 23:18|| Front Page Top

#27 I'm not using you, .com. I have a right to point out when people are being selective, and that's all I did. I don't need you on my side for my points to have validity.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-10-23 23:19|| 2006-10-23 23:19|| Front Page Top

#28 Yes, you know who you are, lol. There's therapy available - Mistress Wicked might be able to help. :->

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 23:23|| 2006-10-23 23:23|| Front Page Top

#29 Oops. my #28 was directed at #26.

As for #27, Funny, that.

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 23:25|| 2006-10-23 23:25|| Front Page Top

#30 If you pull a last-minute drive-by this time, I will hunt you down and fuck you. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-10-23 23:42|| 2006-10-23 23:42|| Front Page Top

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